Coffee in Club
Oct 6, 2015, 4:34 am
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Indeed, many airlines offer quality espresso (Illy, Nespresso, etc) and sometimes more specialty coffees in premium classes. TK, QR, AF, LX all come to mind, and the coffee menu on long haul OS J is spectacular.
Oct 6, 2015, 4:45 am
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Both Airbus and Boeing offer Espresso machines on their list of options and they're really expensive. More cost conscious airlines choose not to order these. Need I say more ?
LH F and QR J have both recently served me an outstanding Espresso.
AA also apparently has Espresso machines on board the 77W. (As well as a microwave oven, which surprised me)
LH F and QR J have both recently served me an outstanding Espresso.
AA also apparently has Espresso machines on board the 77W. (As well as a microwave oven, which surprised me)
Oct 6, 2015, 5:05 am
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The obvious and fairly cheap improvement would seem to be large cafetieres of coffee. That said, even just better quality instant would be better than what there is currently.
Oct 6, 2015, 5:11 am
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Well, I think EL AL are FAR more cost conscious than BA and they have espresso machines on board for business as well as first class.
Oct 6, 2015, 5:28 am
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Agree BA coffee is dire, I can't drink it, though I'm more of a coffee person than tea. However BA's tea is very acceptable despite the fact water can't be boiled to 100c, so that's my BA hot drink of choice. Luckily the lounges do a far better job.
BA changed their coffee a few years back to a FairTrade blend to some internal razzmatazz - but the quality went from bad to worse in my view.
If BA want an easy solution: go for whatever it is that their Nordic franchise SUN are using, much more acceptable.
BA changed their coffee a few years back to a FairTrade blend to some internal razzmatazz - but the quality went from bad to worse in my view.
If BA want an easy solution: go for whatever it is that their Nordic franchise SUN are using, much more acceptable.
Oct 6, 2015, 6:22 am
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I asked and was brought a coffee mid flight but she didn't bring any milk so I just drank it without. I've come to the conclusion that coffee in the air tastes a lot better without milk in it.
Oct 6, 2015, 6:49 am
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Since they already have the Nespresso machines on board, why not just offer this to CW passengers too. Its a pretty easy win. The capsules only cost around 30p retail, so i assume BA get these even cheaper in bulk.
It would almost think that it would be more a case of the difficulty getting the crew to agree to the extra work of making bespoke coffee on demand, rather than the little extra cost per pax.
It would almost think that it would be more a case of the difficulty getting the crew to agree to the extra work of making bespoke coffee on demand, rather than the little extra cost per pax.
Oct 6, 2015, 7:10 am
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I quite like KLM coffee. And as mentioned above, OS, although it is long ago since I last flew them.
I think BA is simply reflecting its home country. We have always been a nation of tea drinkers and in my opinion our tea, strong and flavoursome, is far superior to the insipid rubbish you get in most European countries, and usually leaves me thinking: "how hard can it be to make a decent cuppa"?
However the flip side is that we simply cannot seem to get coffee right. Although there has been an increase in "coffee culture" (mainly in London) it is still pretty cr*p in most places. I have a rule which is drink tea in England and coffeee everywhere else. I don't think I will be changing that approach any time soon.
I think BA is simply reflecting its home country. We have always been a nation of tea drinkers and in my opinion our tea, strong and flavoursome, is far superior to the insipid rubbish you get in most European countries, and usually leaves me thinking: "how hard can it be to make a decent cuppa"?
However the flip side is that we simply cannot seem to get coffee right. Although there has been an increase in "coffee culture" (mainly in London) it is still pretty cr*p in most places. I have a rule which is drink tea in England and coffeee everywhere else. I don't think I will be changing that approach any time soon.
Last edited by South London Bon Viveur; Oct 6, 2015 at 7:26 am
Oct 6, 2015, 7:30 am
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I've had espresso on IB shorthaul and longhaul in J, capsules of course. Good it was too. LX have it in J longhaul. Capp is F. BA only F longhaul. TK have espresso both longhaul and shorthaul, some B738 excepted.
There used to be a LX MdC who would make cappuccino on short-haul. Not sure how.
There used to be a LX MdC who would make cappuccino on short-haul. Not sure how.
Oct 6, 2015, 7:53 am
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I think BA is simply reflecting its home country. We have always been a nation of tea drinkers and in my opinion our tea, strong and flavoursome, is far superior to the insipid rubbish you get in most European countries, and usually leaves me thinking: "how hard can it be to make a decent cuppa"?
However the flip side is that we simply cannot seem to get coffee right. Although there has been an increase in "coffee culture" (mainly in London) it is still pretty cr*p in most places. I have a rule which is drink tea in England and coffeee everywhere else. I don't think I will be changing that approach any time soon.
However the flip side is that we simply cannot seem to get coffee right. Although there has been an increase in "coffee culture" (mainly in London) it is still pretty cr*p in most places. I have a rule which is drink tea in England and coffeee everywhere else. I don't think I will be changing that approach any time soon.
Cheap coffee on the other hand is always terrible.
Oct 6, 2015, 9:05 am
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This to me is one of the most unforgivable deficiencies of the CW product. I can't think of another airline that doesn't serve espresso based drinks in J. All of these have served me espressos ranging from pretty good to excellent:
QR, QF, TG, SQ, AA, BR, CX
In F I've had coffee on JL, NH and SQ that was the equal of anything I've ever had on the ground.
For me, getting this right is just as important as the alcohol selection.
QR, QF, TG, SQ, AA, BR, CX
In F I've had coffee on JL, NH and SQ that was the equal of anything I've ever had on the ground.
For me, getting this right is just as important as the alcohol selection.
Oct 6, 2015, 9:36 am
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82C actually. That assumes ambient pressure, if you did it in a closed container (like a pressure cooker) then you can raise the boiling point for brewing. It would have to be cooled to under 82 before the container could be opened, or all you'd get would be coffee flavoured steam.