CWLCY passengers "stranded" in Shannon?
Apr 17, 2015, 1:34 pm
#46
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This brings back memories of flying MaxJet to IAD. They had 2 old 757 out of STN, one to DC and one to NY. If anything went wrong with the aircraft, they were screwed.
I have long wondered how long BA could run 2 A318s seamlessly on that service.
We have a similar [nautical] problem with our new, larger, Condor Fast-Ferry from UK to JER [which replaced 2 slightly smaller ones] ... there is no backup when things go wrong. And, Boy, have they gone wrong since Condor Liberation entered service a fortnight ago >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...rnsey-32323935
I have long wondered how long BA could run 2 A318s seamlessly on that service.
We have a similar [nautical] problem with our new, larger, Condor Fast-Ferry from UK to JER [which replaced 2 slightly smaller ones] ... there is no backup when things go wrong. And, Boy, have they gone wrong since Condor Liberation entered service a fortnight ago >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...rnsey-32323935
) .. I enjoyed the delights of 'Liberation' running 10 knots slower that it should do both ways to Guernsey Last week.... and I understand they decorated the sides with a lovely scrape on its maiden voyage?! 
Great safety video tho!
Apr 17, 2015, 1:39 pm
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Ah - Uncle T (if I'm allowed to call you that? ) .. I enjoyed the delights of 'Liberation' running 10 knots slower that it should do both ways to Guernsey Last week.... and I understand they decorated the sides with a lovely scrape on its maiden voyage?! Great safety video tho!
) .. I enjoyed the delights of 'Liberation' running 10 knots slower that it should do both ways to Guernsey Last week.... and I understand they decorated the sides with a lovely scrape on its maiden voyage?! Great safety video tho!
Sorry you were Condor-ed ... I avoid them like the plague these days. BA does a jolly good service to UK, but admittedly they won't take my car!
Getting back on topic, that's what is likely to happen when you generate a single [or on BA's case, half-a-double] point of failure. With no back-up, MaxJet died through lack of reliability from the customer POV. I have no expectation that BA would generate a 3rd 318 in that exclusive fit 'just in case', and it therefore remains a highly vulnerable service. At least BA has the LHR option as a back-up, albeit at considerable pax inconvenience. MaxJet didn't, of course.
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Apr 17, 2015, 1:51 pm
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I'm thinking that when the BA1-4 drop to 140 tier points later this month and the increased unreliability (it seems) that passenger loads will decline as us tier point runners loose the incentive of 210 tier points and look to better options from the dreaded LHR,then the bean counters will then look to enhance it even with the rumoured Bank backing.
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Apr 17, 2015, 1:54 pm
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Keeping my fingers crossed things go smoothly for my HNL run in November although growing more aware we might have to anticipate the possibility of disruption at this rate.
Meantime I do hope all those affected today get to their destinations quickly and with minimal discomfort/inconvenience.
Will keep checking for news.
Meantime I do hope all those affected today get to their destinations quickly and with minimal discomfort/inconvenience.
Will keep checking for news.
Apr 17, 2015, 1:54 pm
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I'm thinking that when the BA1-4 drop to 140 tier points later this month and the increased unreliability (it seems) that passenger loads will decline as us tier point runners loose the incentive of 210 tier points and look to better options from the dreaded LHR,then the bean counters will then look to enhance it even with the rumoured Bank backing.
John
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Apr 17, 2015, 2:28 pm
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The latter two were lone rangers.
Although any kind of delay will range in effect from nuisance to catastrophe, a ticket on City Service does come with a certain amount of contingency.
Apr 17, 2015, 3:59 pm
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I'm thinking that when the BA1-4 drop to 140 tier points later this month and the increased unreliability (it seems) that passenger loads will decline as us tier point runners loose the incentive of 210 tier points and look to better options from the dreaded LHR,then the bean counters will then look to enhance it even with the rumoured Bank backing.
John
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Apr 17, 2015, 4:39 pm
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Yes, we're at the 5* Dromoland Castle with up to €68 p.p. dinner allowance + breakfast. Mrs Roger and I were originally allocated a room each 
but agreed to share, possibly saving BA about €280. Delightful place, just wanted to be in NYC tonight.
Rebooking has been problematical. Nobody from BA is around and the handling agent was reduced for much of the time to relaying messages from mission control.
Tonight's prepaid NY hotel reservation is down the pan, as is tomorrow's prepaid LA reservation.
Instead of (LCY-)JFK-PHX-LAX including 2x AA in A, the BA computer wants to send us SNN-(EI)LHR-LAX in J in spite of spending 31 minutes on the phone with BA. This would have a serious impact on our TPs so I'll be on the phone again at 09:00 opening time tomorrow.
Harrumph! If I'd wanted LHR-LAX in J, I would have booked it.
Did I mention our ZZth wedding anniversary and Mrs Roger's YYth birthday on this trip? Seriously think of cancelling and cutting our losses.
but agreed to share, possibly saving BA about €280. Delightful place, just wanted to be in NYC tonight.Rebooking has been problematical. Nobody from BA is around and the handling agent was reduced for much of the time to relaying messages from mission control.
Tonight's prepaid NY hotel reservation is down the pan, as is tomorrow's prepaid LA reservation.
Instead of (LCY-)JFK-PHX-LAX including 2x AA in A, the BA computer wants to send us SNN-(EI)LHR-LAX in J in spite of spending 31 minutes on the phone with BA. This would have a serious impact on our TPs so I'll be on the phone again at 09:00 opening time tomorrow.
Harrumph! If I'd wanted LHR-LAX in J, I would have booked it.
Did I mention our ZZth wedding anniversary and Mrs Roger's YYth birthday on this trip? Seriously think of cancelling and cutting our losses.
Apr 17, 2015, 4:54 pm
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Apr 17, 2015, 5:00 pm
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BA will retrospectively give you the missing TPs if you contact them after the full itinerary has been flown and you'll get the trip back on track by being in LA tomorrow. The early BA to LAX gets in quite early so I would think that's a good plan?
Apr 17, 2015, 5:02 pm
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Yes, we're at the 5* Dromoland Castle with up to €68 p.p. dinner allowance + breakfast. Mrs Roger and I were originally allocated a room each but agreed to share, possibly saving BA about €280. Delightful place, just wanted to be in NYC tonight.
Rebooking has been problematical. Nobody from BA is around and the handling agent was reduced for much of the time to relaying messages from mission control.
Tonight's prepaid NY hotel reservation is down the pan, as is tomorrow's prepaid LA reservation.
Instead of (LCY-)JFK-PHX-LAX including 2x AA in A, the BA computer wants to send us SNN-(EI)LHR-LAX in J in spite of spending 31 minutes on the phone with BA. This would have a serious impact on our TPs so I'll be on the phone again at 09:00 opening time tomorrow.
Harrumph! If I'd wanted LHR-LAX in J, I would have booked it. Did I mention our ZZth wedding anniversary and Mrs Roger's YYth birthday on this trip? Seriously think of cancelling and cutting our losses.
but agreed to share, possibly saving BA about €280. Delightful place, just wanted to be in NYC tonight.Rebooking has been problematical. Nobody from BA is around and the handling agent was reduced for much of the time to relaying messages from mission control.
Tonight's prepaid NY hotel reservation is down the pan, as is tomorrow's prepaid LA reservation.
Instead of (LCY-)JFK-PHX-LAX including 2x AA in A, the BA computer wants to send us SNN-(EI)LHR-LAX in J in spite of spending 31 minutes on the phone with BA. This would have a serious impact on our TPs so I'll be on the phone again at 09:00 opening time tomorrow.
Harrumph! If I'd wanted LHR-LAX in J, I would have booked it.
Did I mention our ZZth wedding anniversary and Mrs Roger's YYth birthday on this trip? Seriously think of cancelling and cutting our losses.
Apr 17, 2015, 5:04 pm
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I was in a similar position last week during a TP run and I went LHR-PHX instead of LCY-JFK-PHX, have spoken to the exec club and they are crediting the pts from my original booking. So if it makes sense to you to get to LAX for your prepaid hotel for tomorrow night no reason why that can't happen!
Apr 17, 2015, 5:04 pm
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Hmm... I have 2 BA1 flights and 1 BA2 reserved in May but unless I ticket them I wouldn't even get the 210. I like the pre-clearance but the unreliability is becoming evident. BA1 goes so early anyway it means I don't have a day in Canary Wharf - the BA3 with preclearance would be perfect.