Dec 28, 2014, 5:21 am
Last edit by: nth_utsera_sth_utsera
Welcome to the thread, but please read this bit first
New to the thread? Welcome!
If you are asking about obtaining tier points in the current sale, please read the following posts first.
If your question is not answered there, or you want more help, please do post and join in.
New to the thread? Welcome!
If you are asking about obtaining tier points in the current sale, please read the following posts first.- from DUB, IL28SALE - to US reported here, e.g. JFK - €1140, LAX - €1395, HNL - €1395, needs to be booked by 27 Jan, see linked post for valid travel periods
- from CPH, IL28SALE - to US reported here, e.g. JFK - £804, LAX - £1149, HNL - £1220, needs to be booked by 27 Jan, see linked post for valid travel periods
- from ARN, IL28SALE - to US, e.g. JFK - £1093, LAX - £1327, HNL - £1479, needs to be booked by 15 Jan, valid travel periods same as above links
- from BRU, IL28SALE - to US reported here, e.g. JFK - £1344, LAX - £1367, HNL - £1465, needs to be booked by 15 Jan, see linked post for valid travel periods
- from AMS, IL28SALE - to US, e.g. JFK - £1382, LAX - £1397, HNL - £1532, needs to be booked by 27 Jan, valid travel periods same as above links
- from LCA, IL28SALE - to US, e.g. JFK - £1514, LAX - £1705, HNL - £1958, needs to be booked by 27 Jan, valid travel periods same as above links
If your question is not answered there, or you want more help, please do post and join in.
Business Class IL28SALE fares: DUB/CPH/BRU to North America
Dec 30, 2014, 11:37 am
#331
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IL28 Question: Return date & Max Mileage ?
Chaps, a change of plan, so... I'll need to fly to Vegas on IL28Sale, outbound APR 10, return APR 15. Outbound is within the permitted window, but the return isn't. Is this allowed ??
Also, I saw a reference to a maximum mileage - but cannot see a maximum mileage on the IL28 terms and conditions.
So,
1: Can the outbound be APR 10 (within the allowed period), but the return APR 15 (outside of the booking window for IL 28 ??)
2: Has anyone seen a max mileage limitation on IL28 ?
Thanks
Also, I saw a reference to a maximum mileage - but cannot see a maximum mileage on the IL28 terms and conditions.
So,
1: Can the outbound be APR 10 (within the allowed period), but the return APR 15 (outside of the booking window for IL 28 ??)
2: Has anyone seen a max mileage limitation on IL28 ?
Thanks
Dec 30, 2014, 2:26 pm
#332
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Chaps, a change of plan, so... I'll need to fly to Vegas on IL28Sale, outbound APR 10, return APR 15. Outbound is within the permitted window, but the return isn't. Is this allowed ??
Also, I saw a reference to a maximum mileage - but cannot see a maximum mileage on the IL28 terms and conditions.
So,
1: Can the outbound be APR 10 (within the allowed period), but the return APR 15 (outside of the booking window for IL 28 ??)
2: Has anyone seen a max mileage limitation on IL28 ?
Thanks
Also, I saw a reference to a maximum mileage - but cannot see a maximum mileage on the IL28 terms and conditions.
So,
1: Can the outbound be APR 10 (within the allowed period), but the return APR 15 (outside of the booking window for IL 28 ??)
2: Has anyone seen a max mileage limitation on IL28 ?
Thanks
1. Yes
Code:
PERMITTED 23DEC14 THROUGH 02JAN15 OR 27MAR15 THROUGH
12APR15 ON THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR SEASON IS
BASED ON DATE OF ORIGIN.
OR - PERMITTED 01JUL15 THROUGH 31AUG15 SEASON IS BASED
ON DATE OF ORIGIN.
OR - PERMITTED 22NOV15 THROUGH 30NOV15 ON THE FIRST
INTERNATIONAL SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON DATE OF
ORIGIN.
Code:
Fare Routing Search:
Departing DUB on 10/04/15 for LAS
Fare basis code IL28SALE
Flying BA
Routing via North Atlantic
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 IL28SALE I‡R 1043.00 E15JA T27JA 28/3 SU/12M AT01
D17JA
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-DUB TO-LAS CXR-BA TVL-10APR15 RULE-J687 IPRA/1
FARE BASIS-IL28SALE SPECIAL FARE DIS-E VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-BAR RT-2ND LEVEL BUSINESS CLASS ADVANCE PURCHASE
EUR 853.00 MPM E15JAN15 D17JAN16 FC-IL28SALE FN-87
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 17DEC14/1420 EXPIRES INFINITY
PUBLISHED RTG DUB-LAS/BA EF-18DEC14 DIS-INDEF
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 6210
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 705 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA SUB AREA 21
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 550 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA DFW OR CHI OR MIA OR NYC OR
RDU
.
Dec 30, 2014, 11:00 pm
#333
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decipher help!
Calchas, thank you... however, I do not really follow what the below text says or what it means... does it mean that my route DUB-LCY-JFK-PHX-LAS X 2 is within the limit ??
I do not understand what SUB AREA 21 is either - Looks like I've a lot to learn still...
I do not understand what SUB AREA 21 is either - Looks like I've a lot to learn still...
2. 6210 + 705 + 550 for DUB-LAS via LON and NYC
Code:
Fare Routing Search:
Departing DUB on 10/04/15 for LAS
Fare basis code IL28SALE
Flying BA
Routing via North Atlantic
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 IL28SALE I‡R 1043.00 E15JA T27JA 28/3 SU/12M AT01
D17JA
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-DUB TO-LAS CXR-BA TVL-10APR15 RULE-J687 IPRA/1
FARE BASIS-IL28SALE SPECIAL FARE DIS-E VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-BAR RT-2ND LEVEL BUSINESS CLASS ADVANCE PURCHASE
EUR 853.00 MPM E15JAN15 D17JAN16 FC-IL28SALE FN-87
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 17DEC14/1420 EXPIRES INFINITY
PUBLISHED RTG DUB-LAS/BA EF-18DEC14 DIS-INDEF
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 6210
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 705 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA SUB AREA 21
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 550 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA DFW OR CHI OR MIA OR NYC OR
RDU
.
Dec 30, 2014, 11:47 pm
#334
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Yes it is within the mpm limits. Basically for these exEU sales mpm limits rarely become an issue unless you are trying to do something crazy like connect in LAX for MIA.
Dec 30, 2014, 11:51 pm
#335
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Firstly, work out roughly what the cumulative mileage is for the outbound: DUB-LCY-JFK-PHX-LAS, using a tool such as Great Circle Mapper. This indicates your routing is cumulatively 6178 miles. Next, as your travel is both via sub area 21 (which refers to the [European] Economic & Monetary Union) and NYC you add the ticketed point deductions for both of these to your MPM. Thus MPM of 6210 + 705 + 550 = 7465.
Finally, bring all the figures back together and you can see that against an MPM + TPD of 7465 and your predicted one-way cumulative mileage of 6178 you are safely within the MPM limit.
Were you above it, the base fare is subject to a surcharge in bands of 5% up to a maximum of 25%. E.g. If your MPM was just 5500 miles and your routing was 6100 miles, you'd need to work out the relevant 5% surcharge tier. 5500 miles + 10% would only get you up to 6050, while 5050 + 15% would give you a MPM of 6325 and therefore the base fare of X + 15% MPM surcharge.
For the purposes of these ex-EU tickets to the US, that generally only comes into play if you end up in HNL and add in a creative routing via HEL: DUB-HEL-LON-JFK-LAX-HNL is 10,895 miles vs. MPM of 8,714 + TPDs of 705 + 550 = 9,969. Taking out the DUB-HEL-LON legs reduces this to 8,783 miles and puts you back within the MPM threshold, so no surcharges are payable. Keeping those segments in would incur an MPM surcharge of 10%.
Dec 31, 2014, 12:05 am
#336
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Dec 31, 2014, 12:10 am
#337
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Wiki updated to include ex AMS & ARN IL28SALE fares. Various other Euro cities have also had fares loaded but they're generally more expensive.
Although dearer, have also added ex LCA as know it's a popular spot for winter sun.
Although dearer, have also added ex LCA as know it's a popular spot for winter sun.
Last edited by nth_utsera_sth_utsera; Dec 31, 2014 at 12:35 am
Dec 31, 2014, 12:17 am
#338
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Dec 31, 2014, 4:24 am
#339
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Help needed
I am trying to plan my 10 days summer holiday adding a TP run to renew BAEC Gold. My idea is to choose HNL or OGG flying on BA1 and BA4 and routing trough PHX in order to maximize TPs, but I can't find anything on ITA Matrix using the advanced search tool. Available several cheap options on many airlines, but each time I try to add BA1 or BA4 I have the message no flights available. (obviously BA1 or BA4 are available on BA site on the dates I search).
Any possibility to find the €1395 DUB-HNL fare at the end of august (from 27th) using the BA1/BA4? I would like to consider the DUB-HEL leg to increase TPs, but also with this option I can't find availability on ITA matrix.
I thank in advance the most experienced TP runners for their help and for any other suggestion.
Any possibility to find the €1395 DUB-HNL fare at the end of august (from 27th) using the BA1/BA4? I would like to consider the DUB-HEL leg to increase TPs, but also with this option I can't find availability on ITA matrix.
I thank in advance the most experienced TP runners for their help and for any other suggestion.
Last edited by Aldebaran; Dec 31, 2014 at 5:14 am
Dec 31, 2014, 4:47 am
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Could someone do a post each for exARN, AMS,and LCA with the main information as I did for the others and link to the wiki? This should at least save some of the questions. I would do it myself but am on an iPad and about to go out for dinner (I am currently +8 GMT).
Dec 31, 2014, 5:13 am
#341
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For the purposes of determining Maximum Permitted Mileage you need to look at the outbound and return legs separately. You need only look at the outbound if your return routing is identical.
Firstly, work out roughly what the cumulative mileage is for the outbound: DUB-LCY-JFK-PHX-LAS, using a tool such as Great Circle Mapper. This indicates your routing is cumulatively 6178 miles. Next, as your travel is both via sub area 21 (which refers to the [European] Economic & Monetary Union) and NYC you add the ticketed point deductions for both of these to your MPM. Thus MPM of 6210 + 705 + 550 = 7465.
Finally, bring all the figures back together and you can see that against an MPM + TPD of 7465 and your predicted one-way cumulative mileage of 6178 you are safely within the MPM limit.
Were you above it, the base fare is subject to a surcharge in bands of 5% up to a maximum of 25%. E.g. If your MPM was just 5500 miles and your routing was 6100 miles, you'd need to work out the relevant 5% surcharge tier. 5500 miles + 10% would only get you up to 6050, while 5050 + 15% would give you a MPM of 6325 and therefore the base fare of X + 15% MPM surcharge.
For the purposes of these ex-EU tickets to the US, that generally only comes into play if you end up in HNL and add in a creative routing via HEL: DUB-HEL-LON-JFK-LAX-HNL is 10,895 miles vs. MPM of 8,714 + TPDs of 705 + 550 = 9,969. Taking out the DUB-HEL-LON legs reduces this to 8,783 miles and puts you back within the MPM threshold, so no surcharges are payable. Keeping those segments in would incur an MPM surcharge of 10%.
Firstly, work out roughly what the cumulative mileage is for the outbound: DUB-LCY-JFK-PHX-LAS, using a tool such as Great Circle Mapper. This indicates your routing is cumulatively 6178 miles. Next, as your travel is both via sub area 21 (which refers to the [European] Economic & Monetary Union) and NYC you add the ticketed point deductions for both of these to your MPM. Thus MPM of 6210 + 705 + 550 = 7465.
Finally, bring all the figures back together and you can see that against an MPM + TPD of 7465 and your predicted one-way cumulative mileage of 6178 you are safely within the MPM limit.
Were you above it, the base fare is subject to a surcharge in bands of 5% up to a maximum of 25%. E.g. If your MPM was just 5500 miles and your routing was 6100 miles, you'd need to work out the relevant 5% surcharge tier. 5500 miles + 10% would only get you up to 6050, while 5050 + 15% would give you a MPM of 6325 and therefore the base fare of X + 15% MPM surcharge.
For the purposes of these ex-EU tickets to the US, that generally only comes into play if you end up in HNL and add in a creative routing via HEL: DUB-HEL-LON-JFK-LAX-HNL is 10,895 miles vs. MPM of 8,714 + TPDs of 705 + 550 = 9,969. Taking out the DUB-HEL-LON legs reduces this to 8,783 miles and puts you back within the MPM threshold, so no surcharges are payable. Keeping those segments in would incur an MPM surcharge of 10%.
Dec 31, 2014, 5:50 am
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The code share can't be booked standalone, it's only offered for sale in conjunction with a BA conencting flight. So if you search JFK-LCY & LGW-DUB it won't show up, you need to search JFK-DUB :: BA BA
Dec 31, 2014, 6:38 am
#344
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Hello All,
My first post and a huge thank you that this very forum exists. The expertise and experience of frequent travellers is amazing and as a result of what I saw about the BA/AA sale, I have booked 3 trips to the USA (April, July and August) in Business leveraging what I saw:
1) April: DUB-LCY-JFK-LAS-MIA-PHI-LHR-DUB for £1,175
2) July: DUB-LHR-LAX-HON-LAX-LHR-DUB for £1,150
3) August: DUB-LCY-JFK-LAS -ORD-JFK-LCY-DUB for £1,075
I had wanted to treat myself and this has allowed me to take three trips for little more than the price of one. Just checked the BA website and a return flight alone on the 'babybus' LCY to JFK August 6th/7th is over £4k!
Taking into account repositioning flights x 3 + hotel at DUB prior to journey x 3, my three multi-leg trips with a total of 7 First Class and 12 Business Class flights cost the same as one LCY-JFK return. Astounding. The kicker is that this will all get me Gold EC and through to March 2017 then as well!
Cheers,
J.
April
My first post and a huge thank you that this very forum exists. The expertise and experience of frequent travellers is amazing and as a result of what I saw about the BA/AA sale, I have booked 3 trips to the USA (April, July and August) in Business leveraging what I saw:
1) April: DUB-LCY-JFK-LAS-MIA-PHI-LHR-DUB for £1,175
2) July: DUB-LHR-LAX-HON-LAX-LHR-DUB for £1,150
3) August: DUB-LCY-JFK-LAS -ORD-JFK-LCY-DUB for £1,075
I had wanted to treat myself and this has allowed me to take three trips for little more than the price of one. Just checked the BA website and a return flight alone on the 'babybus' LCY to JFK August 6th/7th is over £4k!
Taking into account repositioning flights x 3 + hotel at DUB prior to journey x 3, my three multi-leg trips with a total of 7 First Class and 12 Business Class flights cost the same as one LCY-JFK return. Astounding. The kicker is that this will all get me Gold EC and through to March 2017 then as well!
Cheers,
J.
April
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Dec 31, 2014, 6:49 am
#345
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Welcome to Flyertalk Scallywag72
Welcome to Flyertalk Scallywag72, and welcome to the BA board in particular. As you have found the information to be found in this and similar threads in this forum is quite amazing, and I'm glad that you have found it useful. I hope that we will see plenty more of you here and that you will continue to actively participate here.