Back to KL [BA to resume flights to Kuala Lumpur from May 2015]
Sep 17, 2014, 6:34 am
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This press release from last year seems to suggest that any limits on fifth freedom rights that may have been put in place by the Malaysian government on UK airlines have been completely lifted:
Originally Posted by UK Department of Transport
The new agreement removes the limit on the number of services that can be operated between the UK and Malaysia, and also grants the airlines of both sides unlimited rights to:
•pick up and set down passengers and cargo at intermediate or beyond points
•operate services within each other’s countries, and from each others’ countries to other points
•pick up and set down passengers and cargo at intermediate or beyond points
•operate services within each other’s countries, and from each others’ countries to other points
KUL-SYD-KUL only has 5 daily flights - 3 by MH, 2 by Air Asia X - so perhaps there is scope, eventually, for a fifth-freedom flight to be added on this route, bringing SYD to parity in comparison with MEL....
Last edited by irishguy28; Sep 17, 2014 at 6:59 am Reason: Added EK info
Sep 17, 2014, 6:43 am
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Quite possibly the launch route for the 787-9.
Sep 17, 2014, 6:47 am
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Maybe BA will extend the route on to Sydney. Then they could ditch BA11/12 and free up 3 planes.
BA don't have any ties with SQ so there is little reason to fly the kangaroo route through Singapore if it can be done just as effectively through it's neighbour.
It could also then take advantage of the MH domestic network and maybe flights into Vietnam and Indonesia.
Could this be the start of something much bigger than the relaunch of an old route?
BA don't have any ties with SQ so there is little reason to fly the kangaroo route through Singapore if it can be done just as effectively through it's neighbour.
It could also then take advantage of the MH domestic network and maybe flights into Vietnam and Indonesia.
Could this be the start of something much bigger than the relaunch of an old route?
Sep 17, 2014, 6:48 am
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I would LOVE to see another OW carrier fly KUL-CGK. However, I would prefer a SIN-CGK tag bc not one OW airline flies between CGK and SIN. I remember BA announced that SIN-CGK was coming, and it was announced in the papers in Jakarta as well. Whatever happened with this?
Sep 17, 2014, 8:59 am
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I would LOVE to see another OW carrier fly KUL-CGK. However, I would prefer a SIN-CGK tag bc not one OW airline flies between CGK and SIN. I remember BA announced that SIN-CGK was coming, and it was announced in the papers in Jakarta as well. Whatever happened with this?
Sep 17, 2014, 9:15 am
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There is a lot of student traffic between South East Asia and London. The collapse of the Far East currencies back in 1998 signalled the start of students choosing to study in other locations. That was when Malaysia imposed exchange controls (now removed). Similarly, the recession in South East Asia was around that time so less business traffic which then lead to BA and other airlines pulling out of the region.
Sep 17, 2014, 9:48 am
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Sep 17, 2014, 10:17 am
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Maybe BA will extend the route on to Sydney. Then they could ditch BA11/12 and free up 3 planes.
BA don't have any ties with SQ so there is little reason to fly the kangaroo route through Singapore if it can be done just as effectively through it's neighbour.
It could also then take advantage of the MH domestic network and maybe flights into Vietnam and Indonesia.
Could this be the start of something much bigger than the relaunch of an old route?
BA don't have any ties with SQ so there is little reason to fly the kangaroo route through Singapore if it can be done just as effectively through it's neighbour.
It could also then take advantage of the MH domestic network and maybe flights into Vietnam and Indonesia.
Could this be the start of something much bigger than the relaunch of an old route?
KUL would make more sense for connections to Australia with MH. Given QF have cut their SIN capacity and retimed alot of flights KUL will probably be able to offer more connections to PER/ADL/BNE/MEL etc than QF via SIN.
Sep 17, 2014, 10:40 am
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Hi there,
That return flight is extremely interesting! That is a pre 6am arrival.
Those slots are like gold dust. Either BA is using one of MH's slots (not sure if they have a pre 6am one) or one of the following is moving:
HKG
JNB
SIN
Riyadh
I think that there is one other pre 6am......
FD.
That return flight is extremely interesting! That is a pre 6am arrival.
Those slots are like gold dust. Either BA is using one of MH's slots (not sure if they have a pre 6am one) or one of the following is moving:
HKG
JNB
SIN
Riyadh
I think that there is one other pre 6am......
FD.
Sep 17, 2014, 10:53 am
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With respect to KenJohn, I can't see how changes in student traffic could make or break a route like this. It's highly seasonal and low yielding.
Sep 17, 2014, 2:13 pm
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BA never operated the 743 AFAIK.
AUH-MNL was a very profitable route for BA at that time.
I'd be surprised if BA didn't add a 'tag-on' - there must be several options as previously discussed but what about Bali or Saigon (bit of self interest)?
Sep 17, 2014, 2:29 pm
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MH to Australia
From what I've heard, MH is working hard in Australia to build up a customer base and increase traffic from Aus to KUL. Australian travel agents are being paid double their usual commission to direct people onto MH flights.
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Sep 17, 2014, 2:46 pm
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I'm not so sure, BA don't like tags or shuttles. They have got rid of many: HKG-MNL/TPE; BKK-KUL; GRU-EZE etc... I suppose if the route struggles they may consider, but it appears that there is quite a bit of cost involved. It extends crews downroute. I expect it would be cheaper to do codeshare connections on MH.
Sep 17, 2014, 3:06 pm
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I'm not so sure, BA don't like tags or shuttles. They have got rid of many: HKG-MNL/TPE; BKK-KUL; GRU-EZE etc... I suppose if the route struggles they may consider, but it appears that there is quite a bit of cost involved. It extends crews downroute. I expect it would be cheaper to do codeshare connections on MH.
Getting KUL at least gives us options for Penang/Langkawi/ etc etc
I know a lot of Malaysians and they'll stick with MH (national pride) especially if they are a bit cheaper. BA will need to invest in a serious supplier of Satays to win them over. Their A380 is comfortable from what I hear, and I doubt that BA's F (or J) will be better than MH. BA will offer WTP which is not otherwise available.
In any event, good to see BA doing something non-TATL.
Happy days
