Scottish Secession and BA?
Sep 17, 2014, 7:12 pm
#61
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The aberration stems from the fact that you are a British citizen, and thus an EU citizen. Your passport has a fancy cover but underneath it is (nearly) the same passport as a British citizen UK resident's passport.
Being an EU citizen does not grant you freedom of movement rights automatically and your passport may or may not be endorsed with that fact. If you or your parent has some connection with the UK you will be considered a "full" EU citizen and your passport will not be so endorsed.
If you were, for instance, a British subject, a British Protected Person, a British National, a British National (overseas), you would not be an EU citizen by virtue of those categories of citizenship. As such, your passport would look something more like this---
http://prado.consilium.europa.eu/en/...ge_170867.html
Being an EU citizen does not grant you freedom of movement rights automatically and your passport may or may not be endorsed with that fact. If you or your parent has some connection with the UK you will be considered a "full" EU citizen and your passport will not be so endorsed.
If you were, for instance, a British subject, a British Protected Person, a British National, a British National (overseas), you would not be an EU citizen by virtue of those categories of citizenship. As such, your passport would look something more like this---
http://prado.consilium.europa.eu/en/...ge_170867.html
Sep 17, 2014, 8:15 pm
#62
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I say this half in banter, but I think it is fitting to the post..... Does anyone remember 'Air Scotland'? A couple of clapped out 757's operating under an 'Air Greece' AOC and serving up some soggy fish and chips, finally impounded at Glasgow after failing to pay landing fees. A sorry affair!
FlyGlobespan faired quite a lot better (my ex was high up with them so I know some of the background) but ultimately failed due to funds not reaching them through a third party credit agency who had been lying through their teeth and, IMO, also a hugely costly and over complex fleet and over ambitious / often changing route structure from far too many bases across the UK. If they had stuck to profitable Intra European routes with a base fleet of 737's I recon they would still be around - they had quite a following out of GLA, EDI and even ABZ.
Should tomorrow be a 'YES' then I hope we don't become underserved out of Scotland. Worth keeping in mind, too, for us and also all the great BA flight and cabin crew who commute from up here, that an introduction of Club on these routes could mean a decrease in capacity on routes which are already jammed to the rafters after the sale of BMI - indeed when BMI used two class aircraft on these routes, I remember sitting in 2X3 config. business class back at row 11 on an A320. Now BA CE config. is 2X2, that could mean a reduction of 22 seats on a 320 if Club went back that far...
FlyGlobespan faired quite a lot better (my ex was high up with them so I know some of the background) but ultimately failed due to funds not reaching them through a third party credit agency who had been lying through their teeth and, IMO, also a hugely costly and over complex fleet and over ambitious / often changing route structure from far too many bases across the UK. If they had stuck to profitable Intra European routes with a base fleet of 737's I recon they would still be around - they had quite a following out of GLA, EDI and even ABZ.
Should tomorrow be a 'YES' then I hope we don't become underserved out of Scotland. Worth keeping in mind, too, for us and also all the great BA flight and cabin crew who commute from up here, that an introduction of Club on these routes could mean a decrease in capacity on routes which are already jammed to the rafters after the sale of BMI - indeed when BMI used two class aircraft on these routes, I remember sitting in 2X3 config. business class back at row 11 on an A320. Now BA CE config. is 2X2, that could mean a reduction of 22 seats on a 320 if Club went back that far...
Sep 17, 2014, 8:30 pm
#63
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Its rare that the majority of bookies gets something wrong:
http://www.cityam.com/1410942678/sco...nge-their-odds
http://www.cityam.com/1410942678/sco...nge-their-odds
Sep 17, 2014, 8:34 pm
#64
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Yes we flew with them to ATH and back on their 757 part of a last minute cheap as chips flight and 7 nights half board hotel package....£160 each IIRC. 
Despite wondering what horrors lay in wait for us apart from a couple of hours delay on the way back the flight and accommodation on Evia island surpassed our expectations.
They went tits up not long after that so we were lucky.
Despite wondering what horrors lay in wait for us apart from a couple of hours delay on the way back the flight and accommodation on Evia island surpassed our expectations.
They went tits up not long after that so we were lucky.
Sep 17, 2014, 8:45 pm
#65
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Yes we flew with them to ATH and back on their 757 part of a last minute cheap as chips flight and 7 nights half board hotel package....£160 each IIRC.
Despite wondering what horrors lay in wait for us apart from a couple of hours delay on the way back the flight and accommodation on Evia island surpassed our expectations.
They went tits up not long after that so we were lucky.
Despite wondering what horrors lay in wait for us apart from a couple of hours delay on the way back the flight and accommodation on Evia island surpassed our expectations.
They went tits up not long after that so we were lucky.
Sep 17, 2014, 8:48 pm
#66
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Remember that Scottish citizens won't have access to the EU passport lines at LHR, so the choice will become train (with stupid eurostar style security) and a fairly smooth passport process, and flying, with a terrible passport process on arrival at LHR.
Returns from long haul to GLA via LHR will be easier though, with fast track available as an international connection.
If they do sort out the trains properly, with onboard passport checks, perhaps they could roll the checks out to Europe too, and run some proper services through the tunnel.
Returns from long haul to GLA via LHR will be easier though, with fast track available as an international connection.
If they do sort out the trains properly, with onboard passport checks, perhaps they could roll the checks out to Europe too, and run some proper services through the tunnel.
Its not immigration stopping new services through the tunnel, its that nòne of the continental operators have trains that meet the safety standards imposed on tunnel traffic.
Sep 17, 2014, 8:53 pm
#67
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What I am against is Cameron (and Clegg and the other one) selling out,promising even more concessions to one part of the UK that others don't get, as a bribe against Scotland leaving.
We're either a single, united country, or we're not. Cameron The Traitor wants a single, two-tier country, and that's not on.
But my opinion doesn't matter, UKIP is the only party that hasn't come out with a bribe-agenda. Perhaps they'll win the next election.
Regardless of anyone's opinions here, or in the UK, or in Scotland, about 50% of Scotland are going to be very upset on Friday morning.
We're either a single, united country, or we're not. Cameron The Traitor wants a single, two-tier country, and that's not on.
But my opinion doesn't matter, UKIP is the only party that hasn't come out with a bribe-agenda. Perhaps they'll win the next election.
Regardless of anyone's opinions here, or in the UK, or in Scotland, about 50% of Scotland are going to be very upset on Friday morning.
Last edited by callum9999; Sep 17, 2014 at 9:01 pm Reason: .
Sep 17, 2014, 9:34 pm
#68
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If Scotland becomes independent , will BA lose pilots who become foreigners?
If Scotland becomes independent , will BA lose pilots who become foreigners?
Sep 17, 2014, 9:50 pm
#69
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And can the mods combine all the "If Scotland..." questions into one please.
Sep 17, 2014, 9:54 pm
#70
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Since Scotland will not be in the EU for several year(if ever), do EU rules even apply to the hiring of non-EU pilots on BA?
Sep 17, 2014, 10:59 pm
#71
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Not worth it.
Last edited by Paralytic; Sep 17, 2014 at 11:07 pm
Sep 18, 2014, 12:42 am
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Sep 18, 2014, 1:28 am
#73
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I see no logical reason why they'd stop using the EU line. While we will probably have a border, presumably Scots would retain indefinite visa-free access to the UK until theyre back in the EU.
Its not immigration stopping new services through the tunnel, its that nòne of the continental operators have trains that meet the safety standards imposed on tunnel traffic.
Its not immigration stopping new services through the tunnel, its that nòne of the continental operators have trains that meet the safety standards imposed on tunnel traffic.
lots of foreign pilots work for BA.
Sep 18, 2014, 1:40 am
#74
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I love Scotland. I love the rest of the UK.
I think we are better together, that the product of our nation is greater than the mere sum of its parts. I am proud when I see BA fly our flag across the world.
I voted about 20mins ago.
But I think the only real loser today will be apathy and that when a whole generation is politicised, taking an interest in and caring about how we are governed, taking a stand on issues such as social justice and economic freedom, we will reap the rewards for many years.
I think we are better together, that the product of our nation is greater than the mere sum of its parts. I am proud when I see BA fly our flag across the world.
I voted about 20mins ago.
But I think the only real loser today will be apathy and that when a whole generation is politicised, taking an interest in and caring about how we are governed, taking a stand on issues such as social justice and economic freedom, we will reap the rewards for many years.
Sep 18, 2014, 1:43 am
#75
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Once Scotland leaves, the UK will finally be free to discuss reunification with the United States. My vote is for a united UK and US as one country. Number one reason will be the elimination of long immigration lines for Americans arriving at Heathrow.(since it will become a domestic flight)