Jun 16, 2014, 7:00 am
Last edit by: TCX69
In late 2014/early 2015 British Airways has refurbished all of its A320 and A321 fleet (ex-bmi aircraft are not to be refurbished, and A319 conversions are still undergoing--see below) to an interior of:
The Shorthaul Boeing fleet (Gatwick 737s, Heathrow 767s) will not be refurbished. These aircraft will remain with a business class seat pitch of 34", width of 19.5" and recline of 4.5", and with an economy class seat pitch of 31", width of 18" and recline of 4.5".
The ex-bmi A319 and A320 aircraft will not be refurbished. These aircraft will remain with a seat pitch of 30", width of 18" and recline of 3" in both business and economy.
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Pitch Changes
A319 business class from 34" to 30"
A320 business class from 34" to 30"
A321 business class from 34" to 30"
A319 economy class from 31" to 29"
A320 economy class from 31" to 30"
A321 economy class from 31" to 30"
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Width Changes
A319 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A320 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A321 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A319 economy class from 18" to 17"
A320 economy class from 18" to 17"
A321 economy class from 18" to 17"
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Recline Changes
A319/A320/A321 business class from 4.5" to 3"
A319/A320/A321 economy class from 4.5" to 2"
The A320 aircraft fitted with in flight entertainment (IFE) will continue to offer it for use on selected flights of 3 hours and over (Band 4) – ATH/IST/LCA. These aircraft no longer offer in-seat power.
Detailed description of the new seats and cabin design, courtesy of lhrsinsyd
New seat plans
courtesy of TCX69
Completed Aircraft - 28 Apr 16
courtesy of TCX69
A319
All Complete
A320
All Complete
A321
All Complete
- Business class (Club Europe/CE) seat pitch of 30", width of 17" and recline of 3";
- Economy class (Euro Traveller/ET) seat pitch of 29-30", width of 17" and recline of 2".
The Shorthaul Boeing fleet (Gatwick 737s, Heathrow 767s) will not be refurbished. These aircraft will remain with a business class seat pitch of 34", width of 19.5" and recline of 4.5", and with an economy class seat pitch of 31", width of 18" and recline of 4.5".
The ex-bmi A319 and A320 aircraft will not be refurbished. These aircraft will remain with a seat pitch of 30", width of 18" and recline of 3" in both business and economy.
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Pitch Changes
A319 business class from 34" to 30"
A320 business class from 34" to 30"
A321 business class from 34" to 30"
A319 economy class from 31" to 29"
A320 economy class from 31" to 30"
A321 economy class from 31" to 30"
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Width Changes
A319 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A320 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A321 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A319 economy class from 18" to 17"
A320 economy class from 18" to 17"
A321 economy class from 18" to 17"
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Recline Changes
A319/A320/A321 business class from 4.5" to 3"
A319/A320/A321 economy class from 4.5" to 2"
The A320 aircraft fitted with in flight entertainment (IFE) will continue to offer it for use on selected flights of 3 hours and over (Band 4) – ATH/IST/LCA. These aircraft no longer offer in-seat power.
Detailed description of the new seats and cabin design, courtesy of lhrsinsyd
New seat plans
courtesy of TCX69
Completed Aircraft - 28 Apr 16
courtesy of TCX69
A319
All Complete
A320
All Complete
A321
All Complete
New Shorthaul Cabins
Jun 16, 2014, 7:11 am
#61
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The problem is never the ones that go under the seats, the problem is always the ones that have to go overhead. On a full flight there isn't enough room as it is, adding more seats is just going to make this worse
Jun 16, 2014, 7:13 am
#62
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Jun 16, 2014, 7:13 am
#63
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30" in CE is a joke... I only flew CE the last years on SH, mainly due to the extra legroom (since i don't really care about the mediocore catering anyway)... I guess that's gonna change now.
Jun 16, 2014, 7:22 am
#65
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bafan
So a massive down grade in legroom for CE.
And who are the passengers that value the extra privacy (is there any privacy on a plane?) above leg room ??
Well I for one value the middle seat above the legroom - but that doesn't mean I don't want the legroom as well as part of the general value proposition of CE
Originally Posted by bafan
So a massive down grade in legroom for CE.
And who are the passengers that value the extra privacy (is there any privacy on a plane?) above leg room ??
Well I for one value the middle seat above the legroom - but that doesn't mean I don't want the legroom as well as part of the general value proposition of CE
Making the space between seats more usable is a very welcome move. (And I don't mean those silly headrest covers we used to have. That was a gimmick, this looks like something useful.
I still wonder what is going to be flying the long 3-4-5 hour flights after the 767s are finally put out of their misery.
Jun 16, 2014, 7:33 am
#67
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And only to add 6 more seats on the A320? Am I correct in thinking that (a) the 6 more seats will not really improve revenue, as most flights have less than a 96.5% load factor, and (b) the added seats are sold at the cheapest fares (if revenue management works as it should?).
Jun 16, 2014, 7:38 am
#69
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: London
Posts: 489
What a joke. This does make no sense at all.
And only to add 6 more seats on the A320? Am I correct in thinking that (a) the 6 more seats will not really improve revenue, as most flights have less than a 96.5% load factor, and (b) the added seats are sold at the cheapest fares (if revenue management works as it should?).
And only to add 6 more seats on the A320? Am I correct in thinking that (a) the 6 more seats will not really improve revenue, as most flights have less than a 96.5% load factor, and (b) the added seats are sold at the cheapest fares (if revenue management works as it should?).
Jun 16, 2014, 7:38 am
#70
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Sadly I think this is part of the longer term plan. Make the difference between CE and ET so small that by the time you remove the premium Product no-one notices / causes a kerfuffle
Jun 16, 2014, 7:58 am
#72
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,237
I, FWIW, I'm not as outraged as other posters; I mean, the actual seats have been fitted on the planes at a time with a Biz ticket came in at a grand and George Walker hadn't liberated Iraq yet. And I also understand that BA has to turn SH into a profit for next year in order to make all the folks in the Square Mile happy campers, but...
... Please, don't feed me that crap that "customers value privacy more than legroom" like they did in the press release. Just say it: cost cutting, revenue maximisation. Won't make me less crossed but at least I'll appreciate the honesty.
... Please, don't feed me that crap that "customers value privacy more than legroom" like they did in the press release. Just say it: cost cutting, revenue maximisation. Won't make me less crossed but at least I'll appreciate the honesty.
Jun 16, 2014, 8:26 am
#73
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Location: London
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Posts: 887
Count me in the "prefer privacy over pitch" group but since when was it actually a choice? They are both important parts of the CE package. I already struggled to justify more than a £60 difference in CE/ET prices so this will push the value down lower than all but the very lowest fare difference for me.
Jun 16, 2014, 8:30 am
#74
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I couldn't disagree more. The food in Club Europe is meh. Personally I am not that tall so could not care less about pitch - in fact I have never used the recline button although I fly shorthaul at least 4 times a week. The ONLY thing I care about is the middle seat being empty next to me. When quite a few of those 4 times a week flights (to FRA, AMS etc.) are in ET, I can tell you they are NEVER empty.