Jun 16, 2014, 7:00 am
Last edit by: TCX69
In late 2014/early 2015 British Airways has refurbished all of its A320 and A321 fleet (ex-bmi aircraft are not to be refurbished, and A319 conversions are still undergoing--see below) to an interior of:
The Shorthaul Boeing fleet (Gatwick 737s, Heathrow 767s) will not be refurbished. These aircraft will remain with a business class seat pitch of 34", width of 19.5" and recline of 4.5", and with an economy class seat pitch of 31", width of 18" and recline of 4.5".
The ex-bmi A319 and A320 aircraft will not be refurbished. These aircraft will remain with a seat pitch of 30", width of 18" and recline of 3" in both business and economy.
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Pitch Changes
A319 business class from 34" to 30"
A320 business class from 34" to 30"
A321 business class from 34" to 30"
A319 economy class from 31" to 29"
A320 economy class from 31" to 30"
A321 economy class from 31" to 30"
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Width Changes
A319 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A320 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A321 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A319 economy class from 18" to 17"
A320 economy class from 18" to 17"
A321 economy class from 18" to 17"
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Recline Changes
A319/A320/A321 business class from 4.5" to 3"
A319/A320/A321 economy class from 4.5" to 2"
The A320 aircraft fitted with in flight entertainment (IFE) will continue to offer it for use on selected flights of 3 hours and over (Band 4) – ATH/IST/LCA. These aircraft no longer offer in-seat power.
Detailed description of the new seats and cabin design, courtesy of lhrsinsyd
New seat plans
courtesy of TCX69
Completed Aircraft - 28 Apr 16
courtesy of TCX69
A319
All Complete
A320
All Complete
A321
All Complete
- Business class (Club Europe/CE) seat pitch of 30", width of 17" and recline of 3";
- Economy class (Euro Traveller/ET) seat pitch of 29-30", width of 17" and recline of 2".
The Shorthaul Boeing fleet (Gatwick 737s, Heathrow 767s) will not be refurbished. These aircraft will remain with a business class seat pitch of 34", width of 19.5" and recline of 4.5", and with an economy class seat pitch of 31", width of 18" and recline of 4.5".
The ex-bmi A319 and A320 aircraft will not be refurbished. These aircraft will remain with a seat pitch of 30", width of 18" and recline of 3" in both business and economy.
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Pitch Changes
A319 business class from 34" to 30"
A320 business class from 34" to 30"
A321 business class from 34" to 30"
A319 economy class from 31" to 29"
A320 economy class from 31" to 30"
A321 economy class from 31" to 30"
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Width Changes
A319 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A320 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A321 business class from 19.5" to 17"
A319 economy class from 18" to 17"
A320 economy class from 18" to 17"
A321 economy class from 18" to 17"
Mainline BA Shorthaul Airbus Seat Recline Changes
A319/A320/A321 business class from 4.5" to 3"
A319/A320/A321 economy class from 4.5" to 2"
The A320 aircraft fitted with in flight entertainment (IFE) will continue to offer it for use on selected flights of 3 hours and over (Band 4) – ATH/IST/LCA. These aircraft no longer offer in-seat power.
Detailed description of the new seats and cabin design, courtesy of lhrsinsyd
New seat plans
courtesy of TCX69
Completed Aircraft - 28 Apr 16
courtesy of TCX69
A319
All Complete
A320
All Complete
A321
All Complete
New Shorthaul Cabins
Jun 16, 2014, 5:03 am
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Jun 16, 2014, 5:07 am
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New Shorthaul Cabins
My guess is that there won't be different pitches on the a/c, ie CE pitch will reduce to ET pitch - ie move in opposite direction of American carriers with bigger seats and "fixed" premium cabin (though fully understand they are very different markets).
Believe the BMI / LH set up makes converting seats between cabins easier than is currently case and removes any limitations that there are currently with essentially 2 different types of seats on the a/c (though be interesting to see if the drop down CE table stops at a certain row or is across the whole a/c.
"Marketing spin" will say that the slimmer seats will give customers more legroom despite extra rows.
Believe the BMI / LH set up makes converting seats between cabins easier than is currently case and removes any limitations that there are currently with essentially 2 different types of seats on the a/c (though be interesting to see if the drop down CE table stops at a certain row or is across the whole a/c.
"Marketing spin" will say that the slimmer seats will give customers more legroom despite extra rows.
Jun 16, 2014, 5:13 am
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When MIDS turned up on BRU the other day I think I know why bmi used to block the middle seats for Gold! The seat pitch was awful, my knees were jammed in and I was sitting in row 6. I really hope BA don't go that way for the first few rows.
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Jun 16, 2014, 5:15 am
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Excellent - but what is the seat pitch? This is the one thing I think everybody wants to know. It's all very good BA giving us the spin on how much better it's going to be with lovely lighting moods, but somehow neglect to tell us we are going to the same pitch as Ryanair!!
Jun 16, 2014, 5:20 am
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Excellent - but what is the seat pitch? This is the one thing I think everybody wants to know. It's all very good BA giving us the spin on how much better it's going to be with lovely lighting moods, but somehow neglect to tell us we are going to the same pitch as Ryanair!!
A more interesting statistic would be the usable pitch, i.e. the horizontal distance between the point where the cushion intersects the seat back in TTL position and the back of the seat in front.
I would wager that the pitch of the new seats will be less than current but the usable pitch will be the same as current or at least no worse than the latest WT.
Jun 16, 2014, 5:26 am
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I think you're all being a bit optimistic about the ipad holder. I've seen a picture, and it's just the top part of the ipad case hung over the raised magazine holder. Works as long as you have the right case for your ipad
Jun 16, 2014, 5:27 am
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The classic seat pitch is the distance between a point on one seat and the equivalent point on the seat in front. But with seats getting slimmer this number is not necessarily a good indicator of comparative legroom.
A more interesting statistic would be the usable pitch, i.e. the horizontal distance between the point where the cushion intersects the seat back in TTL position and the back of the seat in front.
I would wager that the pitch of the new seats will be less than current but the usable pitch will be the same as current or at least no worse than the latest WT.
A more interesting statistic would be the usable pitch, i.e. the horizontal distance between the point where the cushion intersects the seat back in TTL position and the back of the seat in front.
I would wager that the pitch of the new seats will be less than current but the usable pitch will be the same as current or at least no worse than the latest WT.
Jun 16, 2014, 5:56 am
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If - and that's a big if - they don't mess up the pitch, this is going to be very good news.
Jun 16, 2014, 5:57 am
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Jun 16, 2014, 5:57 am
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Some towards the front of the A321 cabin have a fixed table, but this is also to reduce the total available seats and avoid having to have extra cabin crew working on that aircraft (due to number of available seats).
I too hate the NEK seats, they are not only super thin but the reduced seat pitch forces you to sit bolt upright since stretching your legs (and so feet) forward is impossible due to much reduced seat pitch.