beans in the lounge, asparagus on board.
#46
Join Date: Dec 2009
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You are the person who said:
"I also suspect that anyone attempting to meet 80% of their calories from carbs (as you suggest) would suffer from pretty severe vitamin and iron deficiencies. Not to mention high blood pressure, diabetes and crazy mood swings."
...which I'm here to tell you is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever clapped eyes on.
How could you possibly suffer vitamin and iron deficiencies from eating things like fruit, veg, beans etc?
You're massively overlooking the fact I am recommending healthy eating and exercise.
"I also suspect that anyone attempting to meet 80% of their calories from carbs (as you suggest) would suffer from pretty severe vitamin and iron deficiencies. Not to mention high blood pressure, diabetes and crazy mood swings."
...which I'm here to tell you is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever clapped eyes on.
How could you possibly suffer vitamin and iron deficiencies from eating things like fruit, veg, beans etc?
You're massively overlooking the fact I am recommending healthy eating and exercise.
Its funny you say in one breath that you should cut out sugary foods but in the next suggest high carbohydrate intake which is contradictory as both are sources of the glycogen that will flood your system and lead to high trigs, poor blood lipids, insulin resistance and all the dangers thereof. If you are saying that high glycogen is a good thing then you should really eat lots of meat as then you can get your glucose from the protein via Gluconeogenesis.
#47
Join Date: Sep 2010
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"I also suspect that anyone attempting to meet 80% of their calories from carbs (as you suggest) would suffer from pretty severe vitamin and iron deficiencies. Not to mention high blood pressure, diabetes and crazy mood swings."
...which I'm here to tell you is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever clapped eyes on.
How could you possibly suffer vitamin and iron deficiencies from eating things like fruit, veg, beans etc?
You're massively overlooking the fact I am recommending healthy eating and exercise.
http://mendosa.com/stefansson1.htm
I eat a 80% Fat, 17% Protein 3% Carb diet. Mainly because I'm a T2 Diabetic, but also because I'm in marathon training. I've lived that way for over 3 years, I have excellent blood pressure and blood glucose control. My only problem is that my Cholesterol is too LOW (so much for the argument that fat is bad for cholesterol).
I only eat the 3% carb because it's hard to avoid some in broccoli, spinach and kale.
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#48
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How many animals do you think die to produce the intensively cultivated grain and soy that you eat? Are you turning a blind eye to those?
#49
Join Date: Mar 2013
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If you suspected that you'd be wrong:
http://mendosa.com/stefansson1.htm
I eat a 80% Fat, 17% Protein 3% Carb diet. Mainly because I'm a T2 Diabetic, but also because I'm in marathon training.
http://mendosa.com/stefansson1.htm
I eat a 80% Fat, 17% Protein 3% Carb diet. Mainly because I'm a T2 Diabetic, but also because I'm in marathon training.
I don't know much about diabetes but where does the glycogen come from with no carbs?
#50
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#51
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Not at all. It's an argument called "the principle of least harm". More animals die (per kcal) in the cultivation of grain and soy crops than in the production of grass fed meat (for which the number of animals dying tends to one - the slaughtered animal itself).
As a vegan, I would have thought you would have wanted to minimise the total number of animals killed, rather than just worrying about the fluffy cute ones. Ploughing, and spraying with chemical fertilizers and pesticides is hugely harmful to field animals, birds, insects and other fauna. A meadow full of grass is a much more biodiverse environment.
As a vegan, I would have thought you would have wanted to minimise the total number of animals killed, rather than just worrying about the fluffy cute ones. Ploughing, and spraying with chemical fertilizers and pesticides is hugely harmful to field animals, birds, insects and other fauna. A meadow full of grass is a much more biodiverse environment.
#52
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Farnborough, Hampshire
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As this seems to be developing into a fatties Anonymous, I have to join in.
Hello. I am Kevin. I am overweight.
(room goes "Hello Kevin)
My weight is more than I want it to be.
This is because
a) my partner is an amazing cook
b) I have no will power
c) despite walking to the Old Bailey and back from Waterloo everyday, I don't get enough exercise
d) when I was young, I couldn't get above 13 st due to tha amount of sport I played
e) now I'm getting on and cannot do the amount needed due to other issues, I'm putting on weight purely because I consume more than I burn.
Thanks for letting me share.
(Sits to polite applause)
Hello. I am Kevin. I am overweight.
(room goes "Hello Kevin)
My weight is more than I want it to be.
This is because
a) my partner is an amazing cook
b) I have no will power
c) despite walking to the Old Bailey and back from Waterloo everyday, I don't get enough exercise
d) when I was young, I couldn't get above 13 st due to tha amount of sport I played
e) now I'm getting on and cannot do the amount needed due to other issues, I'm putting on weight purely because I consume more than I burn.
Thanks for letting me share.
(Sits to polite applause)
#54
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I'm not a decent runner by any standards, however there is a growing movement of athletes and sports scientists who are rejecting the "carb loading" philosophy.
The reason why runners often "hit the wall" during marathons is that they exhaust their muscle glycogen supplies, and have to fuel the last six miles or so with fat oxidisation. This is basically just hypoglycemia, and the transition between a glycogen burning and fat burning state is difficult in the middle of a marathon.
The alternative is to train your metabolism is operate in a fat burning state from the start. This has the following advantages:
- You use up your muscle glycogen supplies at a much slower rate (using fat as their principle fuel supply at much higher intensity than a sugar burner).
- You train your brain work on ketones rather than glucose, making your resistant to hypoglycemia.
- You have limited capacity to store glycogen, but (even in the leanest athletes) and practically unlimited supply of body fat. This means you do not have to worry about in race fuelling.
The net result of this is that you should be able to avoid hitting the wall.
The approach is used by a growing number of ultra runners, including Western States Winner Tim Olson. It's based of scientific research by Volek and Phinney.
Tim Noakes, who is probably the most prominent sports scientist in the world, and the guy who literally wrote the book on carb-loading is also an advocate of this approach.
In my case it suits me, because as a diabetic I don't want to be consuming lots of "energy gels" in order to get me through the Berlin Marathon.
#56
Join Date: Apr 2014
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Yes completely off-topic but interesting though.
I think it is pretty obvious now that more and more scientists, dieticians and doctors are all in agreement that carbs = sugar = very bad for you and that fat is essential and actually not as bad as people used to think. Which brings me back on-topic: BA should provide food that people actually want to eat. The current offerings in Galleries Club is absolutely ridiculous: carbs, carbs and nothing but carbs. And don't get me started on the afternoon-tea service in Club Europe!
I think it is pretty obvious now that more and more scientists, dieticians and doctors are all in agreement that carbs = sugar = very bad for you and that fat is essential and actually not as bad as people used to think. Which brings me back on-topic: BA should provide food that people actually want to eat. The current offerings in Galleries Club is absolutely ridiculous: carbs, carbs and nothing but carbs. And don't get me started on the afternoon-tea service in Club Europe!
#57
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bedfordshire, UK
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Yes completely off-topic but interesting though.
I think it is pretty obvious now that more and more scientists, dieticians and doctors are all in agreement that carbs = sugar = very bad for you and that fat is essential and actually not as bad as people used to think. Which brings me back on-topic: BA should provide food that people actually want to eat. The current offerings in Galleries Club is absolutely ridiculous: carbs, carbs and nothing but carbs. And don't get me started on the afternoon-tea service in Club Europe!
I think it is pretty obvious now that more and more scientists, dieticians and doctors are all in agreement that carbs = sugar = very bad for you and that fat is essential and actually not as bad as people used to think. Which brings me back on-topic: BA should provide food that people actually want to eat. The current offerings in Galleries Club is absolutely ridiculous: carbs, carbs and nothing but carbs. And don't get me started on the afternoon-tea service in Club Europe!
#59
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"Dieticians" want to sell more books/products/articles etc. and will rotate through all the food groups over the span of decades, driven by the need to find something new. Carbs were completely fine under the "Mediterranean diet", then it was fats being OK, then it was ... who knows what.
While I don't like BA's lounges food at all, I don't eat everyday there (as most here), and the fact that it's heavy on a food group is not going to make any difference in my overall food intake. The quality, on the other hand, leaves a lot to be desired.
#60
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