T1 domestic to T5 domestic without a passport
Jan 15, 2013, 4:38 pm
#76
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T1 domestic to T5 domestic without a passport
As an aside, if you arrive airside before border control which controls entry into the UK are you technically in the UK? If not have you not then flown outside the UK?
Put another way where is the UK border defined?
Put another way where is the UK border defined?
Jan 15, 2013, 8:58 pm
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I don't think they've (yet) installed a metal line in the floor like the meridian at Greenwich - on reflection, perhaps they should get Doris Salcedo to do something similar to her installation in the Turbine Hall at Tate Modern?
Mind you, at T5 since Domestics are mixed in with International departures it's just one big no-mans-land, isn't it? It's not like those pax flying LHR-MAN from T5 actually left the UK at security and then re-entered the UK at the gate, is it?
Jan 15, 2013, 11:42 pm
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Yes (you're in the UK), but you have not yet satisfied UKBA that you can proceed beyond the UKBA controlled checkpoints. UKBA regulate passenger movement between the two areas. The trick is not to arrive at the border area if you were always in the UK, I think that will be Heathrow Airport's responsibility (UKBA will be entitled to satisfy themselves that anyone arriving at their checkpoints is entitled to proceed, with or without a passport).
Jan 16, 2013, 12:56 am
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Without a formal exit control (as they have in other countries), the one-sided nature of the "border" mean its somewhat of an abstract concept, regardless of what UK BA think. Do their powers differ depending on physically where they exercise their authority? (E.g. Landslide vs airside or indeed any random other part of the UK)
Without a formal exit control (as they have in other countries), the one-sided nature of the "border" mean its somewhat of an abstract concept, regardless of what UK BA think. Do their powers differ depending on physically where they exercise their authority? (E.g. Landslide vs airside or indeed any random other part of the UK)
Jan 16, 2013, 6:11 am
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Not especially. They can and do set up shakedowns in public places (such as railway stations) from time to time and have the right to arrest.
Jan 16, 2013, 6:50 am
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Not quite. Immigration enforcement officers have powers of arrest and detention, but there are criteria that have to be met before discharging those powers which come from different legislation. They can't stand at Victoria and conduct random stop and inquiry, whereas persons arriving at the designated border area at the airport (or port) will have deemed to have arrived from outside the CTA and are obliged to satisfy UKBA of their right to enter the UK (even though they are already technically in the UK).
Jan 16, 2013, 7:06 am
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I just remembered an occasion a couple of years ago when I arrived at LHR T1 (or maybe it was T2) on a BA codeshare EI flight from DUB to transfer to a BA flight to KBP from T5. Transfer pax were asked to wait on the aircraft whilst terminating pax disembarked into the terminal from the front of the aircraft after which transfer pax disembarked onto a bus via steps at the rear of the aircraft which took us directly to T1 flight connections for an onward bus to T5.
Jan 16, 2013, 11:52 am
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Not quite. Immigration enforcement officers have powers of arrest and detention, but there are criteria that have to be met before discharging those powers which come from different legislation. They can't stand at Victoria and conduct random stop and inquiry, whereas persons arriving at the designated border area at the airport (or port) will have deemed to have arrived from outside the CTA and are obliged to satisfy UKBA of their right to enter the UK (even though they are already technically in the UK).
I just remembered an occasion a couple of years ago when I arrived at LHR T1 (or maybe it was T2) on a BA codeshare EI flight from DUB to transfer to a BA flight to KBP from T5. Transfer pax were asked to wait on the aircraft whilst terminating pax disembarked into the terminal from the front of the aircraft after which transfer pax disembarked onto a bus via steps at the rear of the aircraft which took us directly to T1 flight connections for an onward bus to T5.
Jan 16, 2013, 10:00 pm
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Mayhem and chaos were underway but with just hand luggage, I used Iris and left a large group of confused passengers and UKBA staff debating what to do next
Jan 17, 2013, 12:42 am
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I experienced something like that at T5 a couple of years ago when the bus that took us off a NCL flight deposited the passengers at International Arrivals instead of Domestic.
Mayhem and chaos were underway but with just hand luggage, I used Iris and left a large group of confused passengers and UKBA staff debating what to do next
Mayhem and chaos were underway but with just hand luggage, I used Iris and left a large group of confused passengers and UKBA staff debating what to do next
