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Old Dec 3, 12, 3:42 pm   #1
 
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Why Wouldn't You Buy Avios Points....

Just running some quotes, as I like to do when I'm bored, and came across this:

LHR - ORD Business Class Full Fare £2913
LHR - ORD Business Class Avios Fare £1045 + 20,000 pts

Then I notice this:

You require an additional 20000 Avios to make this booking with Avios & money. You can purchase 20000 more Avios at a cost of £ 335.00

So, even if I start with nothing, I can still get a Business Class flight for £1380 instead of £2913.

So my question is, who in their right mind wouldn't spend the extra £335?
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Old Dec 3, 12, 3:46 pm   #2
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There needs to be reward availability for the dates required for your proposal to work though. Reward availability has really dried up over the last few months.
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Old Dec 3, 12, 3:51 pm   #3
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So my question is, who in their right mind wouldn't spend the extra £335?
Someone who realised they could get those 20,000 points for free by signing up to some credit card or other and spending a couple of K they would have spent anyway?
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I appreciate that, but let's say for arguments sake that there was availability, like in my example.
You'd me mad not to pay the extra £300 wouldn't you?
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Old Dec 3, 12, 3:55 pm   #5
 
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Someone who realised they could get those 20,000 points for free by signing up to some credit card or other and spending a couple of K they would have spent anyway?
Well yeah, apart from those.
I myself, and Mrs S, signed up to the BMI card and now have 24,250(ish) miles each for spending £250 on our respective cards.

Also, looking at the Iberia site, you can actually buy those 20,000 points for £312 - is there any problems in doing that then transferring them to your BAEC account?
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Old Dec 3, 12, 4:00 pm   #6
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Apart from the availability issue if you're not bothered about earning Avios or tier points then yes it does make sense. There are many more examples like that where buying Avios will save you money.

Some US based airlines really go OTT with this way of getting tickets on the cheap when they hold 50-100% bonus mile buying offers.
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Old Dec 3, 12, 4:02 pm   #7
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is there any problems in doing that then transferring them to your BAEC account?
Yes and no, YMMV.

I can't seem to transfer my IB (invidual) miles to BA (HHA) unless I send them to my Avios.com account first for some reason.

Transfer Avios (Iberia Plus) to Avios (BA)
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Old Dec 3, 12, 4:11 pm   #8
 
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Apart from the availability issue if you're not bothered about earning Avios or tier points then yes it does make sense.
OK I have one more question then - on ba.com it's clearly obvious about how many Avios you get for flights etc. What I can't seem to find is the info on Tier points.
If you'd be so kind as to direct me somewhere?
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Old Dec 3, 12, 4:17 pm   #9
 
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OK I have one more question then - on ba.com it's clearly obvious about how many Avios you get for flights etc. What I can't seem to find is the info on Tier points.
If you'd be so kind as to direct me somewhere?
See:
Your guide to the Executive Club, attaining status and earning Avios
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https://www.britishairways.com/trave...r/public/en_gb
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Old Dec 3, 12, 4:23 pm   #10
 
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Thanks. Doesn't look like I'll be leaving Blue any time soon then if they expire at the end of the year.
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Also there have been a few attempts to compare the cash + avios versus a straight cash or avios booking, you could have a look around. Here is one:
Avios + money pricing discrepancies
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Old Dec 3, 12, 4:42 pm   #12
 
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If the reward availability is there then it can be a great deal. E.g sale prices to JFK can low as £1200-1500 in CW sometimes and the addtional cost to upgrade with Avios to F is nothing compared to normal F prices or even sale F prices. Leisure routes are much more difficult to find availability on though...

Probably my best deal so far (admittedly exceptional and not the norm) has been Seoul for £777 and 30k to upgrade one leg to F (this is a flight going for £5k+ in First at the moment)- clearly there is the argument that the Avios are only worth what you would be willing to pay cash in the first place but if you are able to pay for wt+ or Sale CW fares like myself it can turn out pretty good
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Old Dec 3, 12, 10:27 pm   #13
 
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Oh you'd be mad to buy Avios when you could buy Avianca miles instead

Avianca miles are on special at $15 per thousand:
Next 100% bonus promo? [Dec 2012!]

*A award LHR-ORD one way C with Avianca miles:
20,000 miles plus $382 plus $25 fee plus taxes (that's just the taxes, no stinking fuel surcharges.)

Plenty of possible routings on *A, will be availability somehow

Do the sums
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Old Dec 3, 12, 11:42 pm   #14
 
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*A award LHR-ORD one way C with Avianca miles:
20,000 miles
It says 50000 miles each way at lifemiles.com
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Old Dec 4, 12, 2:14 am   #15
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It says 50000 miles each way at lifemiles.com
You can then use 40% miles and buy the remaining miles for $12.50/thousand it seems.
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