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Old Nov 23, 12, 7:36 am   #1
 
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How rubbish is the BAEC / Avios programme?

I've read a lot of unhappy posts on BA / Avios in the recent past (it feels that positive ones have become rarer). I thought I would reflect on what I've got from the programme this year.
For the first time ever I hit Gold due to a mix of planned leisure travel and a (very expensive) trip to NZ for family reasons at 24 hr notice. I have a HHA pooling all the Avios for the family (Mrs PK and 3 adult kids) and other sources of Avios include Amex and Tesco.

So far this year I have been able to use my Avios for these bookings for this year and early next:

One way ticket for my son LHR-MEL on CX (F to HKG and J to MEL). Flight changed several times and one point holding 3 separate tickets as plans very unsure. All cxd for free.

Reward saver rtn LHR-IST in ET for my daughter.

2 return trips for my other daughter LHR - South America in J all booked as one way tickets and two changes of dates.

1 return ticket for first daughter in J LHR - South America (sibling bonding).

2 x F return LHR-DXB for Mrs PK and I (using 2-4-1)

2 x CW for mate and I LHR-DEN using another 2-4-1.

F LHR-GRU rebooked a couple of weeks before travel to take advantage of 25% off offer.

J GRU-SCL one way

J SCL-EZE x 2 in J for daughter 2 and I as part of our parent-child South America road trip.

Yes I have had to be flexible with some dates but not many and not much. I have not been able to book everything I wanted to (SYD or CPT were both tried unsuccessfully) but i've been quite happy with what I've found. I have paid taxes and charges but these are well below the cost of a Y fare (and particularly as many bookings were one way). All changes and cancellations were free whether or not I used the web or phone which is a perk of my GC I will miss when I return to silver.

So overall I feel very happy with what I have got from the BAEC and Avios. I have flown much more and in greater comfort that I would otherwise but most of all I have appreciated the ability to book fully flexible one way tickets for the kids to be the most valuable benefit.

My attempt at Friday pm happiness (6 days to GRU and that SA road trip...)

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Old Nov 23, 12, 7:40 am   #2
 
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I agree, it's utter tripe.

Earned (almost) enough from a paid trip to SYD to redeem two F tickets (2-4-1) to JFK for a fantastic long weekend in complete comfort. Weekend in NYC was amazing, but getting there was neither as much fun (TR on the way!)
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Old Nov 23, 12, 7:54 am   #3
 
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My girlfriend and I do a lot of long haul travel in CW and F, all for leisure and mostly ex-EU to get sensible prices. The Avios we earn from those flights pay for multiple weekend trips to Europe or last minute flights LON-GLA when prices are silly. It's not always easy to get the flights we want, but with a bit of advanced planning we seem to do okay. I'm aiming for a joker this year so we can blow a couple of 2-4-1s and get 4 few seats to Oz in F. A 50% sale would go down well too...

Overall I think a bit more availability would be nice, but it's a great scheme, especially with the introduction of the Reward Flight Saver option, which makes Euro-zone flights much better value.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 7:56 am   #4
 
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Which channel is it on? Or is just on the IFE?
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Old Nov 23, 12, 7:57 am   #5
 
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Ive managed to fly in CW 10 times this year and once if F.

without Avios that would have been 9 in WT+ and twice in CW!!

so it works for me
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Old Nov 23, 12, 8:16 am   #6
 
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Seems to work for me even if it's often moaned about. I fly minimum J back and forth between LHR and HKG and putting the other half in J earns brownie points (and sets dangerous precedent! ). Availability can be dire at times so I'd like them to address that but otherwise I'm a pretty happy camper.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 9:31 am   #7
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Nobody writes news stories saying, "plane lands safely." Same thing on FT. Nobody writes a post saying, "just had a wonderful free trip courtesy of BA and nothing went wrong."

FT represents an insignificant and infintesimal percentage of any given carrier's customers. So, the tenor of the posts, means nothing.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 9:47 am   #8
 
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Overall I think a bit more availability would be nice, but it's a great scheme, especially with the introduction of the Reward Flight Saver option, which makes Euro-zone flights much better value.
I could not agree more, on all accounts.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 10:41 am   #9
 
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... Same thing on FT. Nobody writes a post saying, "just had a wonderful free trip courtesy of BA and nothing went wrong."
Er, did you read the initial post? That's exactly what the poster was inferring

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Old Nov 23, 12, 10:49 am   #10
 
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People have a choice of a fair few OW Schemes and must have chosen BA because it offers them the best value. If it doesnt meet their circumstances, then they can choose from many other OW schemes.

Essentially BAEC can be seen as not as good as some other schemes or better than others depending on how you fly and or collect miles. There is a load of stuff on chooding the right scheme in the OW forum so people who do a bit of research can see if it suits them or not.

However for someone based in the UK travelling Oneworld who has a credit card and uses a supermarket it is pretty good value.

It has its quirks bad points and good points. The upgrades being a good point and the cosy of Economy beinga bad point.

That's why forums like this exist to make sure people use the Avios in the best way.

That said, I do miss the easy earning, easy gold and easy availability of Diamond Club... But that did not exactly help BMI..
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Old Nov 23, 12, 10:53 am   #11
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Overall I think there are more positives than negatives since the changes.

The one sector pricing has taken a lot of the fun out of planning trips though. That's the biggest negative for me.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 12:19 pm   #12
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Overall I think there are more positives than negatives since the changes.

The one sector pricing has taken a lot of the fun out of planning trips though. That's the biggest negative for me.
I agree especially as they slap another sector worth of <<cough>> fuel surcharge on top of the extra avios needed.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 12:25 pm   #13
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No, it has, on balance got better. We now have

* 100% miles on cheapest fares
* TP's on all fares
* Big reductions on routes like BKK
* Reward saver
* Tier bonus for Silver and Gold
* GGL benefits - which are very good

..all on direct flights to every continent except Antarctica. The two big gripes would be

* TFC's on longhaul
* Sector based pricing

Compared to the programme of 10 or 5 years ago EC is really, really strong.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 1:15 pm   #14
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..all on direct flights to every continent except Antarctica.
There speaks a Londoner.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 5:28 pm   #15
 
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There speaks a Londoner.
I have to agree with Swanhunter and I'm not a Londoner. I might live quite close though! Although currently nowhere near London. I'm nearer to you Hiddy.

Don't worry though, I'm off tomorrow, heading north. To Sao Paulo at least, or should I say San Pablo?
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