"Selected price includes -56250 Avios discount:" What does this mean?

[golfmad]

In the process of trying to find a reward booking MIA-LHR-MIA. I've found the following which seems to show that a negative Avios discount has been applied. There's are link to show the original (pre-discounted) price which requires fewer Avios. Is it possible to avoid the negative discount?

See below. The inset window is the result of clicking on the 'Show me the original price' link.

[Swiss Tony]

Strange, but if you get it for 75,000 for two seats in F that's a ridiculous discount.

I'd book it like this before the 131,250 becomes 150,000 again.

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by Swiss Tony

Strange, but if you get it for 75,000 for two seats in F that's a ridiculous discount.

I'd book it like this before the 131,250 becomes 150,000 again.

I think you may be misreading it. It is showing that the original price is 75,000 but then a "discount" of -56250 is then being applied to give a "discounted" price of 131,250

a discount that increases the total price seems to be a great offer from BA; wonder whether , as a person not wanting discounts, whether can choose to offer to waive the generous discount offered

56,250 is the number of points listed for a oneway Miami to London award flight with no cash componant ( other than fare disguised as surcharges )

75,000 plus $1060 is the price of a round trip award flight plus $1060 cash componant

Is it a badly written page where you are getting 50% off of the r/t award so points requirements should be 75,000 for 1 plus 112,500 for the other but using the chase award the award cost is reduced by 50% giving a discount of 56,250. What exactly is the the chase award supposed to give?

[golfmad]

Originally Posted by Dave Noble

I think you may be misreading it. It is showing that the original price is 75,000 but then a "discount" of -56250 is then being applied to give a "discounted" price of 131,250

a discount that increases the total price seems to be a great offer from BA; wonder whether , as a person not wanting discounts, whether can choose to offer to waive the generous discount offered

Indeed, I was hoping to be able to waive the discount
Give it to the next guy. I'm so generous!!

[kirky]

That would appear to suggest that the Chase 2-4-1 is excluded from the current 25% discount offer?

[golfmad]

Originally Posted by kirky

That would appear to suggest that the Chase 2-4-1 is excluded from the current 25% discount offer?

kirky, how you do calculate that? If it's supposed to be 150,000 then 25% reduction would reduce it to 112,500. If it's not subject to the 25% reduction offer then it should be 150,000. How do you think they get to the figures of 56,250 and 131,250?

Ooh, hang on, 56,250 times 2 is 112,500 (the Avios required taking 25% into account). There's a clue there somewhere but I still can't work it out...

[angatol]

The discount dialog box is just buggy. It shows negative discounts for ex-eu flights too. In your case, it's determined that the original avios price for one person is 75000 for a one-way flight in F, then doubled that, taken off 25% and got 131250, thus your discount is, er, 75000-131250 instead of 15000-131250. Don't worry about it, you're getting the discount.

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by angatol

The discount dialog box is just buggy. It shows negative discounts for ex-eu flights too. In your case, it's determined that the original avios price for one person is 75000 for a one-way flight in F, then doubled that, taken off 25% and got 131250, thus your discount is, er, 75000-131250 instead of 15000-131250. Don't worry about it, you're getting the discount.

Except that 75% of 150,000 is 112,500 and not 131,250

131,250 would indicate a 12.5% discount ; it would look to me that there could be an error with the calculations of the system when applying the chase woucher since I would expect there either to be no discount if using it or the full 25%. getting 12.5% discount seems a tad bizarre to me

The only way I can see it happening is if it took 112,500 for the cost of the award plus calculated 150,000 for the chase companion and then halved the cost for the companion being free, which would come to 131,250

I would have thought that either no discount would apply or the whole discount would apply; perhaps a phone call to BA might be the way to try and get it resolved

[golfmad]

Originally Posted by angatol

The discount dialog box is just buggy. It shows negative discounts for ex-eu flights too. In your case, it's determined that the original avios price for one person is 75000 for a one-way flight in F, then doubled that, taken off 25% and got 131250, thus your discount is, er, 75000-131250 instead of 15000-131250. Don't worry about it, you're getting the discount.

Ah, I see. It's taken 25% off one person's 75,000 one-way fare and then added the other 75,000 in full (56,260 + 75,000 = 131,250) and then thrown the other person in for free.

So, in effect, it's giving a discount of 12.5% not 25% from one person's Avios requirement. Is that there way it's supposed to be for UK or US companion vouchers?

[angatol]

Originally Posted by Dave Noble

Except that 75% of 150,000 is 112,500 and not 131,250

Oops. I'd already seen a couple of examples of its bogus negative discounts and didn't bother to actually caclulate it

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by golfmad

Ah, I see. It's taken 25% off one person's 75,000 one-way fare and then added the other 75,000 in full (56,260 + 75,000 = 131,250) and then thrown the other person in for free.

So, in effect, it's giving a discount of 12.5% not 25% from one person's Avios requirement. Is that there way it's supposed to be for UK or US companion vouchers?

If it is supposed to be a "free" companion ticket, then it doesn't seem correct to me but then I haven't trawled the T&Cs of Chase to see how it is determined to be calculated

[golfmad]

Originally Posted by angatol

Oops. I'd already seen a couple of examples of its bogus negative discounts and didn't bother to actually caclulate it

I'm guessing that with a 2-4-1 or Chase voucher it only gives half the 25% discount across the booking. If that's the case (I've not checked the Ts and Cs yet) then the figure does make sense.

[golfmad]

Originally Posted by Dave Noble

If it is supposed to be a "free" companion ticket, then it doesn't seem correct to me but then I haven't trawled the T&Cs of Chase to see how it is determined to be calculated

I don't think it's the Chase T&Cs but probably something in the "25% promotion" terms. I have those somewhere so I'll dig them out...

[golfmad]

I think I've found the answer...

Extract from the terms of the 25% discount promotion includes the following:

Offer valid for redemption of reward flights between 14 and 19 November for travel between 14th November and 31 May 2013.

As only the outbound falls within these dates I'm guessing that only one half of the booking qualifies for the discount.

(Sorry, I obscured the dates in the OP. Outbound was in May. Return was in June.)

[Dave Noble]

Ahh, that all makes sense then

The promotion box is still rather screwy though