Go Back   FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Airlines and Mileage Programs > British Airways | Executive Club
Sign in using an external account

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old Jan 8, 12, 9:34 pm   #1
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORF
Programs: DL PM, UA, US, HH Gold, Hyatt, SPG Gold
Posts: 227
Points Expiration

Do Avios points expire? If so, what can one do to keep them from expiring?
DLcoop1977 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 8, 12, 10:03 pm   #2
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: MUCCI
Posts: 4,970
Avios themselves do not have any expiry.

If you go 36 months without any activity in your account (essentially any earn or burn), then you will forfeit the balance in your account.

Two notes:
1. Transferring Avios between your accounts in the various schemes that use Avios (i.e. BAEC, Iberia Plus, Avios.com(Previously Airmiles UK)) does NOT count as activity.

2. If your BAEC account is part of a household BAEC account, and if a member of the household has status (not sure if that now includes the new Bronze tier, or just the historic Gold or Silver) then you do not need activity.


The above is about Avios. Do not confuse with Tier Points (which are also awarded from flying and are what are required for status), these are reset to zero at the end of your own personal membership year.
David-A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 8, 12, 10:17 pm   #3
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Juneau, Alaska.
Posts: 7,341
Quote:
Originally Posted by DLcoop1977 View Post
Do Avios points expire? If so, what can one do to keep them from expiring?
From the T and C's:
Quote:
12.3. If a Member has not earned or redeemed Avios Points or purchased or transferred Avios Points in accordance with the appropriate Conditions of Use for 36 consecutive months, all Avios Points that has accrued to that date will expire.
For things you can do to keep them from expiring, see:
BA Miles about to expire... halp!
Your Airmiles are about to expire
BA Miles about to expire, what to do?
jerry a. laska is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 8, 12, 10:32 pm   #4
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORF
Programs: DL PM, UA, US, HH Gold, Hyatt, SPG Gold
Posts: 227
Thanks for the replies. So I guess if I use my BA credit card occasionally, the points will never expire.
DLcoop1977 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 9, 12, 1:53 am   #5
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Home in the UK
Programs: Nothing shiny :-(
Posts: 1,677
Quote:
Originally Posted by David-A View Post
Transferring Avios between your accounts in the various schemes that use Avios (i.e. BAEC, Iberia Plus, Avios.com(Previously Airmiles UK)) does NOT count as activity.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry a. laska View Post
From the T and C's:
12.3. If a Member has not earned or redeemed Avios Points or purchased or transferred Avios Points in accordance with the appropriate Conditions of Use for 36 consecutive months, all Avios Points that has accrued to that date will expire.
Are these two statements not inconsistent? Are we 100% sure that transferring Avios between BAEC and avios.com does not count?
louie-m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 9, 12, 2:19 am   #6
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: MUCCI
Posts: 4,970
Quote:
Originally Posted by louie-m View Post
Are these two statements not inconsistent? Are we 100% sure that transferring Avios between BAEC and avios.com does not count?
Not necessarily.

Nicci confirmed here explicity (will try to find the post) that moving avios between BAEC, IBplus, Avios.com accounts did not count as activity.

I've seen the same written over on Avios.com in official T&C.

However, inter BAEC account transfers (where you pay a fee to transfer to another member) certainly count as activity.

I can't see from a brief skim anything to support Niccis post in the T&C, but she did make it. Avios.com certainly have T&C to support that, think IB might do as well.
David-A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 9, 12, 3:20 am   #7
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 8,890
I dont recall Nicci saying that transactions between Avios.com and BA will NOT count as a transaction.

Also this would require the Mileage company to have good computer systems. it is easier for them to accept that it is.
origin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 9, 12, 3:26 am   #8
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Near Edinburgh
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 6,495
Quote:
Originally Posted by origin View Post
I dont recall Nicci saying that transactions between Avios.com and BA will NOT count as a transaction.

Also this would require the Mileage company to have good computer systems. it is easier for them to accept that it is.
I do seem to remember Nicci saying "internal" Avios transfers would not count.

And, it'd hardly be difficult for (even) BA to code their systems to differentiate between internal Avios transfers and any other sort.
Paralytic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 9, 12, 3:27 am   #9
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 8,890
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paralytic View Post
I do seem to remember Nicci saying "internal" Avios transfers would not count.

And, it'd hardly be difficult for (even) BA to code their systems to differentiate between internal Avios transfers and any other sort.
I must have missed that one.
origin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 26, 12, 3:46 pm   #10
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 7,723
Hi! What about a transfer into BA/Avios from American Express Membership Awards?
__________________
Great to Know -- Good to Go!
NJUPINTHEAIR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 26, 12, 3:56 pm   #11
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: MUCCI
Posts: 4,970
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJUPINTHEAIR View Post
Hi! What about a transfer into BA/Avios from American Express Membership Awards?
That's fine. That counts as earn activity..

[The reference to 'transfers' above is talking paid transfers from one member to another, they are activitiy. Moving avios from BAEC <> Avios.com or <> Iberia Plus schemes do not count as activity.
David-A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 26, 12, 4:05 pm   #12
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 7,723
Quote:
Originally Posted by David-A View Post
That's fine. That counts as earn activity..

[The reference to 'transfers' above is talking paid transfers from one member to another, they are activitiy. Moving avios from BAEC <> Avios.com or <> Iberia Plus schemes do not count as activity.
Thanks, Dave A!

Just used wife's amex points for a 15,000 point last minute trip nyc-ord that priced at $372. With the 50% bonus transfer, that cost only 10,000 points and that is about 4 cents per point.

Moreover, since Avios are now classified as points, there are no transfer charges imposed by AMEX to Avios -- they are treated like hotel points that incur no transfer costs!
__________________
Great to Know -- Good to Go!
NJUPINTHEAIR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 26, 12, 4:25 pm   #13
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: MUCCI
Posts: 4,970
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJUPINTHEAIR View Post
Moreover, since Avios are now classified as points, there are no transfer charges imposed by AMEX to Avios -- they are treated like hotel points that incur no transfer costs!
As a non-US person, I've never personally experienced the preiovus situation that you descirbe, although I was aware of it. [It was free for people in the UK and other countries I've experience of to do Memberhsip Rewards to BA Miles transfers.]

I can't recall the details of why it is differnt for 'miles' in the US, but thanks for flagging that this has changed. I wasn't aware of that change.
David-A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 26, 12, 8:07 pm   #14
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 7,723
Quote:
Originally Posted by David-A View Post
As a non-US person, I've never personally experienced the preiovus situation that you descirbe, although I was aware of it. [It was free for people in the UK and other countries I've experience of to do Memberhsip Rewards to BA Miles transfers.]

I can't recall the details of why it is differnt for 'miles' in the US, but thanks for flagging that this has changed. I wasn't aware of that change.
For whatever the reason, AMEX and Diners Club charge a transaction fee when converting their points into airline FF miles programs, whereas they do not for points to points conversions. I don't know why, although it could be something to do with taxes but this is just guess, as it also just as likely could be due to being a money center -- and conversion of points to ff miles is just so much more prevalent that they "tax" one and not the other.
__________________
Great to Know -- Good to Go!
NJUPINTHEAIR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 27, 12, 1:43 am   #15
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: MUCCI
Posts: 4,970
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJUPINTHEAIR View Post
For whatever the reason, AMEX and Diners Club charge a transaction fee when converting their points into airline FF miles programs, whereas they do not for points to points conversions. I don't know why, although it could be something to do with taxes but this is just guess, as it also just as likely could be due to being a money center -- and conversion of points to ff miles is just so much more prevalent that they "tax" one and not the other.
As I said, I was aware of it, but like you don't know the intricacies of the reason.

I'm convinced it is most likley due to taxation ruling.

[If it is a profit centre question however, then rather than being an arbitrary choice based upon which is more prevalent I think it would be more likley they simply did one historically but not another, and they now can't backtrack on the freebie and don't want to surrender the income on the paid!]
David-A is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 9:03 pm.




SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.