Mauritius moves down to Gatwick from Winter
Feb 9, 2011, 5:01 am
#76
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Is that how it works? I am not very familiar with oneworld's rules, but on Star Allliance LHR and LGW (and LCY for that matter) would be considered as co-terminals for LON, rather than as completely separate destinations. The same thing applies for JFK/EWR/LGA or NRT/HND, for example. It would indeed be a massive restriction of the RTW ticket if LGW-LHR v.v. counted as a sector!
Feb 10, 2011, 10:43 am
#77
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Yes, the LHR-LGW transit does use a coupon - the reason for this is an IATA mandated limit on e-tickets having 16 coupons - including 'blanks' that in paper ticket days would have been torn out and voided before the booklet was handed to you. For example:
The surface sector 'requires' a coupon, because theoretically there could be a means of transportation between the two points (a la BA Helicopters, high speed rail, limo..) that might be possible to include on the ticket but isn't ticketed. And although some airports are co-terminals for a city, there may be different fares/TFCs to depart from one airport viz the other. For example, LHR has a higher Passenger Service Extortion Charge than LGW. Similarly, LHR fares to Europe are higher than those ex-LGW, even possibly on higher flexible fares. LCY is different again. To prevent unscruplous types paying the lower fare/TFC for a connection out of one terminal and then 'innocently' turning up/staying at the higher priced one, the ticket needed to be issued with the airport code clearly marked, not just the city code of LON or NYC. This still applies to an e-tkt, although it's mostly a hangover from paper tickets.
But to correct cyba, it's only one additional coupon, as on a oneworld RTW having transitted LHR-LGW and flown to MRU, you wouldn't be going back through LON again having left Europe. Your onward would have to be, as before, either MRU-JNB or an open jaw to another African city. Same in reverse, if you leave MRU going to LON, you have to come back through Africa anyway.
. . JFK
1 . LHR BA
2 . LGW -- VOID --
3 . MRU BA
4 . --- -- VOID --
1 . LHR BA
2 . LGW -- VOID --
3 . MRU BA
4 . --- -- VOID --
The surface sector 'requires' a coupon, because theoretically there could be a means of transportation between the two points (a la BA Helicopters, high speed rail, limo..) that might be possible to include on the ticket but isn't ticketed. And although some airports are co-terminals for a city, there may be different fares/TFCs to depart from one airport viz the other. For example, LHR has a higher Passenger Service Extortion Charge than LGW. Similarly, LHR fares to Europe are higher than those ex-LGW, even possibly on higher flexible fares. LCY is different again. To prevent unscruplous types paying the lower fare/TFC for a connection out of one terminal and then 'innocently' turning up/staying at the higher priced one, the ticket needed to be issued with the airport code clearly marked, not just the city code of LON or NYC. This still applies to an e-tkt, although it's mostly a hangover from paper tickets.
But to correct cyba, it's only one additional coupon, as on a oneworld RTW having transitted LHR-LGW and flown to MRU, you wouldn't be going back through LON again having left Europe. Your onward would have to be, as before, either MRU-JNB or an open jaw to another African city. Same in reverse, if you leave MRU going to LON, you have to come back through Africa anyway.
Feb 10, 2011, 11:20 am
#78
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[COLOR="Navy"]Yes, the LHR-LGW transit does use a coupon - the reason for this is an IATA mandated limit on e-tickets having 16 coupons - including 'blanks' that in paper ticket days would have been torn out and voided before the booklet was handed to you. For example:
The surface sector 'requires' a coupon, because theoretically there could be a means of transportation between the two points
. . JFK
1 . LHR BA
2 . LGW -- VOID --
3 . MRU BA
4 . --- -- VOID --
1 . LHR BA
2 . LGW -- VOID --
3 . MRU BA
4 . --- -- VOID --
The surface sector 'requires' a coupon, because theoretically there could be a means of transportation between the two points
I remember those tickets, orange coupons with red text
I wonder who was the mastermind behind that solution.Are they in use at all, anywhere?
Feb 19, 2011, 11:43 am
#81
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If so, how will that work ex-LGW?
Feb 19, 2011, 2:38 pm
#83
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Although there will have to be some negotiation with LGW crew before they will be operating it.
I by no means claim to be any sort of mind on the LGW operation, however, I believe that the duty length required to operate the MRU sectors is outside the MOA that the crew work within. So, it will have to be agreed with the crew, presumably via some form of representing body, for a change or exception to be made to the normal operating limits for LGW crew.
I by no means claim to be any sort of mind on the LGW operation, however, I believe that the duty length required to operate the MRU sectors is outside the MOA that the crew work within. So, it will have to be agreed with the crew, presumably via some form of representing body, for a change or exception to be made to the normal operating limits for LGW crew.
Feb 19, 2011, 2:45 pm
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I know a couple of the VCC/MF crew wbo work at LGW are most disappointed this is coming our way as they were looking forward to a few days on the beach in MRU (which as MF operating ex-LHR they would have got) 
But I think it's great news for LGW. Very exciting.
But I think it's great news for LGW. Very exciting.
Last edited by sunrisegirl; Feb 19, 2011 at 3:11 pm