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Old May 26, 2014, 8:47 am
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Every forum on Flyertalk has a personality. A forum gains a personality through user input over time, and Lifemiles is a very definitive example of how users have developed a unique community.

While Flyertalk boards actively encourage sharing of info, the Lifemiles community has developed and thrived via obscuring of certain data elements. It may not be easy for new participants to break through the codes and gain knowledge of the program's quirks, but the overall board community has adopted this unique approach. And frankly, that is not going to change overnight.

If a FT member wants to participate on this board, then they will need to respect other users. Hence, posts that run counter to this community's standards, will be removed.
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C1.5 Caribbean, Bermuda
C2 Europe
C2.5 Middle East
C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
C6 Oceania

2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.

LifeMiles' Star Alliance Award Chart

LifeMiles' old Star Alliance Award Chart (before Oct 15 2014) // Table of changes

Cash & Miles redemptions: the price per mile purchased during award booking varies significantly depending on how many miles are purchased. The "sweet spots" are between 38% and 58% of the total mileage required, where miles are purchased for 1.5 cents. See here for some examples.

Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).

Understand Cabotage: Departing country 1, transiting country 2, returning to country 1 (no stopping) *is* cabotage (example: depart JFK, connect in YYZ to return to ORD, or depart Miami, connect in Bogota, return to San Francisco). On the other hand, departing country 1, going to completely unrelated country 2, and ending up in country 3, is not cabotage. So if you fly JFK-JNB-ZRH, for instance, this is completely not cabotage.

Availability: Seeing availability for *A award seats elsewhere is no guarantee they are accessible on Lifemiles. For instance award space shown on ANA often is not accessible on Lifemiles. Similarly, finding award space on single legs doesn't mean you'll get award space on the combined itinerary. And no, there is no way to overcome that.

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Send email to [email protected] with attached screenshots on Lifemiles website of each individual leg showing availability. Also, screenshot showing no availability as one booking. Include passenger names, gender and DOB and copy of passenger passport. They will either call you for payment or email the itinerary and give you 3 days to call up and make payment by CC.

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Old Jul 23, 2014, 2:00 am
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Originally Posted by bertheike
North Asia to North Asia went down in J/F , while cental and S.E.A. intra zone is going up ! Any logic behind that ?
*** And hold an eye on new rates Europe to central Asia in J ! check on TG and SQ availability !
already anounced when new chart is valid from ?
Logic? You're asking this on an LM forum?
And the chart is valid from mid October, as much as I remember.

PS there are of course those who say that the Central Asia price decrease is very good news for Europeans who like to fly in curves.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 2:26 am
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Originally Posted by bertheike
North Asia to North Asia went down in J/F , while cental and S.E.A. intra zone is going up ! Any logic behind that ?
*** And hold an eye on new rates Europe to central Asia in J ! check on TG and SQ availability !
already anounced when new chart is valid from ?
My guess is some of the low availability routes went down, and high availability routes went up. It's much easier to get TG routes than NH or CA routes (I forget, though, is Thailand S.E.A. or North Asia?)
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 5:22 am
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
My guess is some of the low availability routes went down, and high availability routes went up. It's much easier to get TG routes than NH or CA routes (I forget, though, is Thailand S.E.A. or North Asia?)
Thailand is South, of course. But there is a lot of availability in the North with China Air and Asiana, and Central availability has strengthened massively with Air India. So that logic isn't waterproof either.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 9:23 am
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Originally Posted by bertheike
North Asia to North Asia went down in J/F , while cental and S.E.A. intra zone is going up ! Any logic behind that ?
*** And hold an eye on new rates Europe to central Asia in J ! check on TG and SQ availability !
already anounced when new chart is valid from ?
Also Australia/NZ to North Asia cheaper now than Auz/NZ to South Asia. Go figure!!
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 3:11 am
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The inaugural IST-SFO with TK on 13 APR 15 is showing availability in J but not bookable arghh
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 7:02 am
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nevermind
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 8:23 am
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It occurs to me that some of these tricks may be present in other airline programs. Before I waste time reinventing the wheel, has anyone else tried any other programs?
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by WolfvanWeen
Thailand is South, of course. But there is a lot of availability in the North with China Air and Asiana, and Central availability has strengthened massively with Air India. So that logic isn't waterproof either.
Might be a demand thing though. Many more Aussies I know want to go to South Asia than to North Asia, and I'm guessing many more tickets have been booked to South Asia from Oz than to North Asia.
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 11:34 am
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Originally Posted by TheBOSman
Might be a demand thing though. Many more Aussies I know want to go to South Asia than to North Asia, and I'm guessing many more tickets have been booked to South Asia from Oz than to North Asia.
That would make a lot more sense. The market regulates the prices
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 7:57 am
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After three days of back and forth on Twitter and now email, I still haven't received an answer to "Is LM blocking LH First class or not?"


"We have already escalated your case to the department in charge. We will have an answer as soon as possible"... yeah right
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by zagy
After three days of back and forth on Twitter and now email, I still haven't received an answer to "Is LM blocking LH First class or not?"

"We have already escalated your case to the department in charge. We will have an answer as soon as possible"... yeah right
At least someone is checking on this! ^

Still need to burn off my LM miles...
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
At least someone is checking on this! ^

Still need to burn off my LM miles...
Maybe we could have a community effort again to get an answer to this?

It helped in the UA 0 availabilty case...
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 3:15 pm
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I think Freddie or Skytrax should have a new award category:"Biggest amount of effort to not answer a question".

The winner: LifeMiles

Greetings from Avianca. We hope this message finds you well.

We have received your comments regarding the procedures of our frequent flyer program which we have been sent to the Lifemiles Customer Service Department. They should contact you as soon as possible.
This is bounce number 5 or 6 I believe
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 3:37 pm
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@ zagy

Where is the funny point???

It looks like you've never ever been in South America and have no idea how the clocks are running there...
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 9:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Air Rarotonga
@ zagy

Where is the funny point???

It looks like you've never ever been in South America and have no idea how the clocks are running there...
They run?
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