A_Lee - thank you so much! I am sorry if these questions seemed insanely easy, but I read the site numerous times and still couldn't figure it out. Thank you for taking the time to explain it very clearly.
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Maybe this will be easier to understand as an example. This example does not take into account the grace periods. Add two months to the status period to include the grace period
Example A:
1) Jan 1, 2009 join Asiana club
Status: Silver
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010
2) Jan 1, 2009 - Jan 31, 2009 fly 20K miles
Status: Gold valid Jan 31, 2009 till Dec 31, 2012
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010 (no change)
3) Feb 1, 2009 - May 31, 2009 fly 20K miles
Status: Diamond valid May 31, 2009 till Dec 31, 2012
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010 (no change)
4) June 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010 fly up to 59,999 miles
Status: Diamond valid till Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010 (no change)
These miles are "wasted" and don't count for any status in the current period or any future period
5) Jan 1, 2011 New qualifying period begins
Status: Diamond valid till Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
Future Status: None
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2011 - Dec 31, 2012
6) Jan 1, 2011 - Jan 31, 2011 fly 20K miles
Status: Diamond valid till Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
Future Status: Gold will be valid Jan 1, 2013 till Dec 31, 2014
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2011 - Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
7) Feb 1, 2011 - May 31, 2011 fly 20K miles
Status: Diamond valid till Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
Future Status: Diamond will be valid Jan 1, 2013 till Dec 31, 2014
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2011 - Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
8) June 1, 2011 - Dec 31, 2012 fly up to 59,999 miles
Status: Diamond valid till Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
Future Status: Diamond will be valid Jan 1, 2013 till Dec 31, 2014 (no change)
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2011 - Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
These miles are "wasted" and don't count for any status in the current period or any future period
9) Jan 1, 2013 New qualifying period begins, new status begins
Status: Diamond valid till Dec 31, 2014
Future Status: None
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2013 - Dec 31, 2014
Example B:
1) Jan 1, 2009 join Asiana club
Status: Silver
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010
2) Jan 1, 2009 - Jan 31, 2009 fly 20K miles
Status: Gold valid Jan 31, 2009 till Dec 31, 2012
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010 (no change)
3) Feb 1, 2009 - May 31, 2009 fly 20K miles
Status: Diamond valid May 31, 2009 till Dec 31, 2012
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010 (no change)
4) June 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010 fly up to 59,999 miles
Status: Diamond valid till Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010 (no change)
These miles are "wasted" and don't count for any status in the current period or any future period
5) Jan 1, 2011 New qualifying period begins
Status: Diamond valid till Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
Future Status: None
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2011 - Dec 31, 2012
6) Jan 1, 2011 - Dec 31, 2012 don't fly any (or less than 20K)
Status: Diamond valid till Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
Future Status: None (no change)
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2011 - Dec 31, 2012 (no change)
7) Jan 1, 2013 New qualifying period begins, new status begins
Status: Silver
Future Status: None
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2013 - Dec 31, 2014
8) Jan 1, 2013 - Jan 31, 2013 fly 20K miles
Status: Gold valid Jan 31, 2013 till Dec 31, 2016
Future Status: None (no change)
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2013 - Dec 31, 2014 (no change)
9) Feb 1, 2013 - May 31, 2013 fly 20K miles
Status: Diamond valid May 31, 2013 till Dec 31, 2016
Future Status: None (no change)
Qualifying period: Jan 1, 2013 - Dec 31, 2014 (no change)
So as you can see, in example A you need to fly 40K during every two-year qualification period to continuously maintain your Diamond status. In example B you only need to fly 40K during every other two-year qualification period for Diamond status, but you will technically lose your Diamond status for 5 months (only 3 months counting the grace period).
While I will get along with the 40K mileage requirement pretty well also, qualifying on segments (with Star-flights) would even be easier for me.
So based on this and the information posted in this thread, has it been confirmed that the segments are only of any qualification-value if they are on Asiana themselves and that the segments on Star flights are irrelevant in this regard?
Yes. Segments only count on Asiana Airlines. Total Mileage information in Mileage Overview says 0 segments (flights), even though I have flown 4 segments on SQ.
Your reference date is not the default Oct. 1, 2008, but still you get a 25 month qualifying period as I did. (your qualifying period is 2008-12-01 to 2010-12-31, not 2008-12-01 to 2010-11-30) So it looks like everyone is getting 25 months, not 24 months.
Did you get your physical Gold card yet? What is the expiration date on it? Based on what I got, I'm assuming your expiration date is "valid thru 1/2013"?
Just received my Gold Card from Asiana in Korea. Qualified on the 24/12/08, and it was shipped from Asiana on 31/12/08. Card says expiration date is "valid thru 1/2013".
Also got:
One 5,000 mile discount coupon, expiry 2009.12.26
Two Lounge access coupons, expiry 2010.12.26
I have a question with regards to my moms mileage account.
She reached her diamond level last February 2008(she has been flying out since 1996 and only reached diamond last Feb 2008). This year she has almost reached her requalification(40,000 miles) for diamond. She has traveeld 3 times to the US this year, around 30,189 miles right now, shy of about 10,000 miles to requalify. Her status says valid till 3/2011. My question is, till March 2011 my guess is that she would be travelling 7 times again(roughly around 77,630 miles from MNL-LAS-MNL(11,090 miles r/t).
Since her expiration for Diamond is 3/2011 and she would be reaching another 77,330 miles before March 2011, would that put her in Diamond Plus by 2011? I am confused if she would start from the requalifying date of 10/08 or 2/08.
If not, do you think I should put her miles after her requalification of 40T in a different FFP program? Anyhow she would be requalifying already and her status would be good till 3/2014...so the lounge access and the baggage would be okay. Im just thinking if she can reach diamond plus by 2011, or just recredit the miles to another FFP account after her requalification next month(as the miles after 40,000 would be wasted)..
Hope anyone can shed light on this matter. Thanks.
Last edited by BingoWingo; Jan 7, 09 at 8:02 am.
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Originally Posted by BingoWingo
I am confused if she would start from the requalifying date of 10/08 or 2/08.
Why confused? The rules are so simple. Not.
The answer to the question about the requalifying date is: both are correct.
Your mother can get status under the old or under the new rules. To qualify under the old rules, she will have until March 2011 (strangely it is not January 2011). Under the new rules however, only the flights between 2008-10-01 and 2010-09-30 will count towards requalification.
The problem your mother will have is that under the old rules she will not be able to qualify for Diamond Plus as there was no such status under the old regime.
So either she will fly a bit more often or she needs to book a fare which gets more miles. MNL-LAS is more than 7000 miles each way. So a full earning fare should give her something like 15000 miles r/t and not 11k.
This year she has almost reached her requalification(40,000 miles) for diamond. She has traveeld 3 times to the US this year, around 30,189 miles right now, shy of about 10,000 miles to requalify.
Do you really mean this year (2009)? If you meant last year then if she wants Diamond+ (must be under the new rules), only miles flown on or after Oct. 1, 2008 will count. Any miles flown prior to that don't count towards Diamond+. And as DownUnderFlyer posted, the qualification period for that is Oct 1, 2008 till Sep. 30, 2010. (Actually my account shows an extra month grace period, so until Oct 31, 2010).
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Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
MNL-LAS is more than 7000 miles each way. So a full earning fare should give her something like 15000 miles r/t and not 11k.
I imagine she's flying in V class which only gets 70% miles.
Not just Asiana lounge only, but also only when flying on an Asiana flight and the lounge is their business lounge. However, if you happen to be already flying on OZ business class and so have access to the business lounge based on your board pass, some smooth talking may get you into the OZ F lounge with one of these coupons. Either that or it was my good looks (ha) that got me in.
Do you really mean this year (2009)? If you meant last year then if she wants Diamond+ (must be under the new rules), only miles flown on or after Oct. 1, 2008 will count. Any miles flown prior to that don't count towards Diamond+. And as DownUnderFlyer posted, the qualification period for that is Oct 1, 2008 till Sep. 30, 2010. (Actually my account shows an extra month grace period, so until Oct 31, 2010).
I imagine she's flying in V class which only gets 70% miles.
thanks for the response A_Lee
she has flown around 30,000 miles from the time she reached diamond last 2/08. (from 2/08-till present(Jan '09) she has already flown 30,000 miles or around 3 roundtrips). another trip of hers and she would have requalified for diamond under the old rules.
Her fare is V class thats why she only gets 70%mileage..
So do you think after her requalification(next trip), I should recredit all her miles to another FFP account already as the miles after 40,000 wont count anymore(as it would be wasted). I reviewed her miles under the new rule and she only has 11,090 miles flown from 10-08 to present. So I dont think she can get to diamond plus in 2 years time...
In deciding to continue to bank her miles with OZ or another program you need to ask yourself what value would she get in a different program as opposed to OZ? If she already has *G, there's no need to get another *G with a different program. Will another program give her a better earn/burn ratio for her miles and is it significant enough to warrant adding another *A program or not? If she won't fly enough to earn Diamond+ then there's no clear benefit in continuing to bank her miles with OZ but if there's also no clear benefit in banking with a different program then she's probably best to just continue with OZ.
One more point to consider is that under the new rules status will be expire every two years at the end of each qualification/status period. For old members, their qualification start date under the new rules is Oct. 1, 2008, Oct. 1, 2010, etc. So for your mother the first period is Oct. 1, 2008 til Sep. 30 2010 and whatever status is earned during that period is good until Sep 30. 2012. But her Diamond status under the old rules expires in March 2011. So from March 2011 till Sept 2012 she won't have status unless she earns it in one of two ways, under the new rules - either now during her current qualifying period (fly a total of 40K miles), or early in her next qualifying period (Oct. 2010 till March 2011). If she can fly enough to make it under the second case then you can consider what to do with her miles from now till Sep. 30, 2010. If not, and if not losing her status is important to her, then bank at least 40K miles starting from Oct. 1 2008 so that her status will be continuous.
My quick personal recommendation, without knowing lots of details of your specific case - your mother travels roughly 35K per year based on what you've said. That's not much as far as frequent flyers are concerned. It's not a lot of miles to really worry about. If she can increase her flying up to 50K per year then she can get Diamond+ or possibly some real benefit in a different FFP.
Not. 
Well done!
