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Originally Posted by mobilebucky
That's correct, and don't forget if you are a diamond plus member it will soft land you to diamond if you didn't qualify the following 2 years. In essence as a diamond plus member, OZ gives you *G for 4 yrs.
Is the soft landing confirmed? If yes, then they will give you up to 8 years of *G.
Lets say you got 100k miles by 10th October 2008. Then you will be Diamond Plus until 30th September 2012 (2 years of Advanced Bonus Promotion Terms and then 24months of Requalification time). After which you will become Diamond until 30th September 2016.
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What about requalification?
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Originally Posted by A_Lee
I think what ntddevsys was referring to is that under the new rules you get two years of status for the next two-year qualifying period, but as soon as you earn that status they will apply the status earned for the remainder of the current qualifying period. So for those who's qualifying period is October 1, 2008 till September 30, 2010, if they earn a status very early the status will be good for close to 4 years.
For example, I already flew over 20K in October so I'm already Gold under the new rules, once my miles post. My Gold status will not expire until September 30, 2012, so I'm getting 3 years, 11 months, and 24 days of Gold status.
By the end of this month I expect to have flown over 40K. At that point I'll be Diamond. So my Diamond status should not expire until September 30, 2012, and I'll get 3 years, 11 months as Diamond.
So you never get a full 4 years of status but if you fly a lot at the beginning of the qualifying period you can get pretty close to it. If you don't qualify until the very end of the qualifying period, then you'll only get about 2 years of status. Theoretically that's the way it should work according to what OZ has said.
What if you've already hit the 40k early on during your 24 month qualification period (and thus attained Gold for the remainder of the qual period + 2 years), and if your purpose is just to retain Diamond/*G (I have no interest in Diamond Plus), then any miles you earn before the end of your first qual period (< September 30, 2010) will NOT go toward renewal of status until 2014. So is it right that you may have a dead period until your new qual period comes up again (ie, October 1, 2010) where you need to accrue to another *A FFP?
Put another way: Only miles earned between Oct 2010 and Sept 2012 will go toward renewing Diamond status until 2014 in your situation, and none beforehand since they will go toward Diamond Plus (w/ an expiration of 2012).
Of course, this is only if your goal is to get Diamond/*G status.
Put another way: Only miles earned between Oct 2010 and Sept 2012 will go toward renewing Diamond status until 2014 in your situation, and none beforehand since they will go toward Diamond Plus (w/ an expiration of 2012).
That is correct, according to how the rules are written. Once you reach your desired level, all further miles credited won't help you any with qualifying during the next period. I believe this is how all airline FFPs work, as far as I'm aware of. The only thing different about OZ's program is that they grant you status when achieved but the expiration is based on fixed periods rather than the date you achieve your status, thus the extra time your status is good for.
Once you reach the status you desire, and if you don't need the miles in your OZ account, put them into a different FFP if they're of better use to you there. That's exactly what I'm planning to do once I hit Diamond+.
To take it one step further, if you travel a lot and don't mind losing your status for a short period of time, you can only worry about putting your miles into OZ's program for one period every four years. For example, I'm after Diamond+ and I won't mind losing my Diamond+ status for a couple of months. So once I hit Diamond+ in the coming weeks, it will be good until October, 2012. So I will enjoy that status for 3 years and 10 months. Then starting in October 2012 I'll start again banking my miles with OZ until I hit Diamond+ again.
So for me at least, OZ is the best program around for seeking status. Their earn/burn ratio stinks but if it's status you're after, I think it's great.
Is the soft landing confirmed? If yes, then they will give you up to 8 years of *G.
Lets say you got 100k miles by 10th October 2008. Then you will be Diamond Plus until 30th September 2012 (2 years of Advanced Bonus Promotion Terms and then 24months of Requalification time). After which you will become Diamond until 30th September 2016.
I think that should be 6 years of *G, not 8. If you reached Diamond+ in October 2008, your Diamond+ status will be good until September 2012. If you don't fly any more with OZ after that, you'll get a soft landing to Diamond, but I'm of the opinion that your Diamond status will only be good until September 2014, not 2016. Of course I could be wrong.
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I just looked over the rules again and can't see anything about a soft landing. I saw something about being downgraded under the old rules, but didn't bother to figure out what they meant because it doesn't apply to the new rules.
Regarding the new rules, they specifically say that after your status runs out that your new status will be based on what you've earned during the previous qualification period. So I interpret that to mean there's no soft landing at all. I think their status is very generous as it is so wouldn't expect them to offer a soft landing on top of it.
- A current membership guide
- A leather Asiana Airlines embossed passport cover
- Luggage Tags
- A Diamond Card valid to 11/2010 (!)
- A 50% mileage reduction voucher for upgrades on OZ metal.
- A letter saying that I have been elevated to Diamond based on the old rules
The pack looks great, however it is strange in some respects. First, I have not been elevated based on the old rules (I don't have 100k miles).
Second, why is the card valid to 2010? I call Asiana here in Sydney and they told me that this was correct and I would now need to fly another 40k to be Diamond from 11/2010 to 11/2012.
My new Reference Day is now 1st November 2008 and I have now 24 months to re-qualify. If I get to Diamond Plus status, then I will get a new Reference Day and a new 24 months will start.
I pointed out that this is not covered by the rules and they are now checking......
I've been on travel for a long time and just returned and found my Gold pack waiting for me. I've already qualified for Diamond, but the Diamond pack didn't arrive yet.
In the Gold pack was:
Gold card
One luggage tag
Two business class lounge certificates valid for two years
One 5000 mile discount coupon for award travel valid for one year
The strange thing is that I should have qualified in October for Gold but some of my flights never posted so now I'm chasing them down, but instead my later flights in November pushed me over. So I thought my status should be good until September 30, 2012. But my card says "valid thru 11/2012". So they gave me a full four years, plus some days. I'm not sure if they're just giving a two-month grace period beyond the September 30, 2012, or if they're giving a me four years based on my qualification date for Gold. I'll have to see when my Diamond pack arrives what's the expiration date of it. I did ask at the counter and was told my Diamond status is good till 2012, but forgot to ask which month as I was more interested in verifying that I qualified under the new rules and not the old rules as happened with you.
BTW, the business class lounge certificates are of no value to me being I already have *G with another FFP and I've been flying exclusively in business class on OZ. I will try though on my next OZ flight to see if I can use them to upgrade from the business class lounge to the first class lounge. Don't know if it'll work or not but will give it a try. Anyone else tried this?
Update: A day later Asiana called me back and said that they have made a mistake and headoffice has also made a mistake. I was not upgraded under the old rules and what they told me about the dates was wrong. I will be getting a new card soon.
It seems even OZ is still confused about their own rules.
Did you get your new card yet? What date is on it?
Lets say I join Jan 1, 2009. I earn 20K miles on Feb 1, 2009 - that becomes my new reference date, correct? And I have two years to make 20K more miles to become Gold.
On June 1, 2009, I hit 40K. I become Diamond. My reference day becomes June 1 and I have two years to earn 40K miles to keep Diamond.
Now, to get to Diamond +, do I have to get an additional 60K by June 1, 2011 or by Jan 1, 2011?
Thanks!
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Close, but not quite right. I joined on 1 Dec 2008.
According to this link, my Activity Qualification Period is 2008-12-01 to 2010-12-31. I have already earnt 20k (and Gold), and my Activity Qualification Period hasn't changed. You have 24 months to earn for the next qualification period (and the remainder of the current qualification period).
Lets say I join Jan 1, 2009. I earn 20K miles on Feb 1, 2009 - that becomes my new reference date, correct? And I have two years to make 20K more miles to become Gold.
On June 1, 2009, I hit 40K. I become Diamond. My reference day becomes June 1 and I have two years to earn 40K miles to keep Diamond.
Now, to get to Diamond +, do I have to get an additional 60K by June 1, 2011 or by Jan 1, 2011?
Thanks!
Sorry if I confused you, due to me trying to figure out why my card expiration date didn't match exactly to the rules Asiana published. Many FFP's give a month or so grace period and evidently Asiana is doing just that, as I mentioned in the new thread I started.
Once your reference date is set it never changes no matter how many miles you earn, until the end of the qualifying period. So if you join on Jan. 1, 2009 it will technically be from that date till Dec. 31, 2010. Once you hit Gold it will still remain at Dec. 31, 2010. Hitting Diamond and still no change. Once Jan 1, 2011 comes, your reference period will reset to Jan 1, 2011 till Dec 31, 2012.
Technically this is what should happen, but evidently Asiana is padding the reference period with one additional month, I presume as a grace period to allow people who almost qualify to not quite to do so in that extra month. We won't have any real-world examples of what happens at the end of these qualifying periods until late 2010 though. So even though when I log into My Asiana on their website and it shows I have a 25 month qualifying period, it's not 100% guaranteed to be accurate until someone tests it out.
Close, but not quite right. I joined on 1 Dec 2008.
According to this link, my Activity Qualification Period is 2008-12-01 to 2010-12-31. I have already earnt 20k (and Gold), and my Activity Qualification Period hasn't changed. You have 24 months to earn for the next qualification period (and the remainder of the current qualification period).
Your reference date is not the default Oct. 1, 2008, but still you get a 25 month qualifying period as I did. (your qualifying period is 2008-12-01 to 2010-12-31, not 2008-12-01 to 2010-11-30) So it looks like everyone is getting 25 months, not 24 months.
Did you get your physical Gold card yet? What is the expiration date on it? Based on what I got, I'm assuming your expiration date is "valid thru 1/2013"?
Once your reference date is set it never changes no matter how many miles you earn, until the end of the qualifying period. So if you join on Jan. 1, 2009 it will technically be from that date till Dec. 31, 2010. Once you hit Gold it will still remain at Dec. 31, 2010. Hitting Diamond and still no change. Once Jan 1, 2011 comes, your reference period will reset to Jan 1, 2011 till Dec 31, 2012.
So, if I join Jan 1, 2009 my qualification period is from Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010, no matter what. But if I make Diamond on June 1, 2009, I am Diamond from June 1, 2009 - May 31, 2011, right?
Meaning, I have from Dec 31, 2010 to May 31, 2011 to fly 40K miles and make Diamond again?
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So, if I join Jan 1, 2009 my qualification period is from Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010, no matter what. But if I make Diamond on June 1, 2009, I am Diamond from June 1, 2009 - May 31, 2011, right?
Meaning, I have from Dec 31, 2010 to May 31, 2011 to fly 40K miles and make Diamond again?
No.
If you join on Jan 1, 2009, technically you qualification period is Jan 1, 2009 - Dec 31, 2010. (If you get the extra one month grace period your qualification period will be from Jan 1, 2009 to Jan 31, 2011).
If you make Diamond on June 1, 2009, technically you'll be Diamond until Dec 31, 2012. You get the status from the date you earn it up until the end of your qualifying period and then for two additional years after that. With the extra two month grace period, your actual status will likely extend till Feb. 28, 2013.
After you reach Diamond, no additional miles during the current qualification period will be of any value whatsoever for renewing your Diamond status. Your next qualification period will be Jan 1, 2011 till Dec 31, 2012. Any miles you earn during that period will go towards status when your Diamond expires. So if you fly 40K or more from Jan 1, 2011 till Dec 31, 2012, you'll renew Diamond status when it expires and it will be good until Dec 31, 2014 (or Feb 28, 2015 with the two month grace period).
Alternately, you can let your Diamond status expire on Dec 31, 2012 (or Feb 28, 2013 counting grace period), and then start again earning miles from Jan 1, 2013. Once you hit 40K you'll again get Diamond status for 4 years minus the time it takes you to earn the 40K + 2 month grace period. So for example if you did that and earned 40K from Jan 1, 2013 till June 1, 2013, you'll earn Diamond until Dec 31, 2016, but you'll be without status for three months from March 1, 2013 till June 1, 2013.
Ok, all these dates and the differences between the technical periods and the periods including the grace periods is probably making you and everyone else confused, but I don't know how to better express it.
