Backpacking Asia advice
I am going backpacking for the first time ever, and I will be going solo. This is all new to me, and yeah my itiniery keeps changing, but I am beginning to finalise things now. I will be heading out in Feb 2013, and hoping to stay out there for at least 3 months.
Staying in budget hostels, obviously, I will be allocating no more than £20 per night on accommodation. I currently have 83 nights planned which gives me roughly a 'bill' of £1660 for the hostels - and yet all my flights come to around £1800. :td: I plan to spend 28 days in Thailand/Cambodia, 20 days in Japan, 5 days in Seoul, 5 days in Beijing, 11 days in Malaysia, 14 days in Indonesia...and possibly 14 days in Australia added on at the end, if I can afford it. LHR-BKK Bangkok to Koh Samui to Phuket via train/bus/ferry HKT-CNX Chiang Mai to Bangkok to Siem Reap to Bangkok via bus BKK-NRT Tokyo to Hiroshima to Osaka to Kyoto to Tokyo via Shinkansen NRT-ICN-PEK-KUL Kuala Lumpur to Langkawi via train/bus/ferry Langkawi to Penang via ferry Penang to Kuala Lumpur via train/bus KUL-DPS DPS-SUB Bromo to Yogyakarta to Bandung to Jakarta via train CGK-SIN-SYD Sydney to Queensland to Sydney via train(?) SYD-SIN-LHR Which parts of my itiniery are unrealistic? In 83 days, how much £ would I have to allocate each day for transport/food/stuff? |
Originally Posted by A380 Flyer
(Post 19758874)
I am going backpacking for the first time ever, and I will be going solo. This is all new to me, and yeah my itiniery keeps changing, but I am beginning to finalise things now. I will be heading out in Feb 2013, and hoping to stay out there for at least 3 months.
Staying in budget hostels, obviously, I will be allocating no more than £20 per night on accommodation. I currently have 83 nights planned which gives me roughly a 'bill' of £1660 for the hostels - and yet all my flights come to around £1800. :td: I plan to spend 28 days in Thailand/Cambodia, 20 days in Japan, 5 days in Seoul, 5 days in Beijing, 11 days in Malaysia, 14 days in Indonesia...and possibly 14 days in Australia added on at the end, if I can afford it. LHR-BKK Bangkok to Koh Samui to Phuket via train/bus/ferry HKT-CNX Chiang Mai to Bangkok to Siem Reap to Bangkok via bus BKK-NRT Tokyo to Hiroshima to Osaka to Kyoto to Tokyo via Shinkansen NRT-ICN-PEK-KUL Kuala Lumpur to Langkawi via train/bus/ferry Langkawi to Penang via ferry Penang to Kuala Lumpur via train/bus KUL-DPS DPS-SUB Bromo to Yogyakarta to Bandung to Jakarta via train CGK-SIN-SYD Sydney to Queensland to Sydney via train(?) SYD-SIN-LHR Which parts of my itiniery are unrealistic? In 83 days, how much £ would I have to allocate each day for transport/food/stuff? LHR-NRT (Japan) NRT-PEK (China) PEK-BKK (Thailand, Malaysia via train/ferry/bus) KUL-CGK on a cheap AK flight (Indonesia via train/ferry/bus) DPS-BNE on a cheap JQ flight (Australia by bus) SYD-SIN-LHR Your budget is fine for Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Japan and Australia are going to be expensive (especially Tokyo). |
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 19760308)
Your budget is fine for Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Japan and Australia are going to be expensive (especially Tokyo).
Covering both China and Korea in ten days seems a little ambitious, and flights up there aren't cheap either. You could save a fair amount of cash by spending that same time in SE Asia instead. |
Originally Posted by jpatokal
(Post 19762965)
Beware of Australian prices as well. The pound is weak right now, and the dollar is very strong: 20 quid/night is about A$30, which will barely suffice for a dorm bed. Realistically, you'll need to budget at least A$100/day on bed, food, sights and local transport, with long-distance transport on top of that.
Covering both China and Korea in ten days seems a little ambitious, and flights up there aren't cheap either. You could save a fair amount of cash by spending that same time in SE Asia instead. Right now, you can get the US Airways miles necessary to fly LHR-PEK(stop)-BKK(dest)-LHR in Y for ~£800, plus another £100 for fees for a ticket- so I think the OP is also paying too much money for his flights... ;) |
Originally Posted by A380 Flyer
(Post 19758874)
I plan to spend 28 days in Thailand/Cambodia, 20 days in Japan, 5 days in Seoul, 5 days in Beijing, 11 days in Malaysia, 14 days in Indonesia...and possibly 14 days in Australia added on at the end, if I can afford it.
1) limit Japan to 7-10 days 2) skip Seoul and Beijing (February is cold) 3) take Spring Airlines from Japan to Shanghai, availing of a y1 fare 4) allow up to 2 weeks making your way towards Nanning 5) head south from there toward Singapore Cheap places: second/third tier China, Thailand, VN Moderate places: first tier China, second tier Japan, Malaysia Expensive places: Tokyo, HK, Singapore, Australia ETA: I was in SIN getting ready to leave when I wrote this post earlier today, and reviewed my expenses on the plane; "expensive" is an understatement; the money I dropped in 2 days there would have been sufficient to last for 3 months in Nanning. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 19769044)
I would:
1) limit Japan to 7-10 days 2) skip Seoul and Beijing (February is cold) 3) take Spring Airlines from Japan to Shanghai, availing of a y1 fare 4) allow up to 2 weeks making your way towards Nanning 5) head south from there toward Singapore Cheap places: second/third tier China, Thailand, VN Moderate places: first tier China, second tier Japan, Malaysia Expensive places: Tokyo, HK, Singapore, Australia ETA: I was in SIN getting ready to leave when I wrote this post earlier today, and reviewed my expenses on the plane; "expensive" is an understatement; the money I dropped in 2 days there would have been sufficient to last for 3 months in Nanning. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 19769044)
Expensive places: Tokyo, HK, Singapore, Australia
ETA: I was in SIN getting ready to leave when I wrote this post earlier today, and reviewed my expenses on the plane; "expensive" is an understatement; the money I dropped in 2 days there would have been sufficient to last for 3 months in Nanning. |
Singapore is waaaaayyy cheap compared to Tokyo. I'm being honest here, because the amount of money I dropped on my Suica in Tokyo was unbelievable. The transportation in Singapore is decent, just don't expect Japanese standards of course.
OP if you're planning to travel around Japan remember your JR Pass, which is actually pretty pricey. I'd say put Indonesia/(Singapore?)/Malaysia/Thailand along that same line because it's cheap to get around on budget airlines. Australia seems a bit 'off' in that itinerary but if you're willing to sit it out from Singapore to Australia on a LCC airline, Scoot is really cheap. p/s: I'm assuming your tickets are not bought yet. |
Originally Posted by A380 Flyer
(Post 19758874)
I am going backpacking for the first time ever, and I will be going solo. This is all new to me, and yeah my itiniery keeps changing, but I am beginning to finalise things now. I will be heading out in Feb 2013, and hoping to stay out there for at least 3 months.
Staying in budget hostels, obviously, I will be allocating no more than £20 per night on accommodation. I currently have 83 nights planned which gives me roughly a 'bill' of £1660 for the hostels - and yet all my flights come to around £1800. :td: I plan to spend 28 days in Thailand/Cambodia, 20 days in Japan, 5 days in Seoul, 5 days in Beijing, 11 days in Malaysia, 14 days in Indonesia...and possibly 14 days in Australia added on at the end, if I can afford it. LHR-BKK Bangkok to Koh Samui to Phuket via train/bus/ferry HKT-CNX Chiang Mai to Bangkok to Siem Reap to Bangkok via bus BKK-NRT Tokyo to Hiroshima to Osaka to Kyoto to Tokyo via Shinkansen NRT-ICN-PEK-KUL Kuala Lumpur to Langkawi via train/bus/ferry Langkawi to Penang via ferry Penang to Kuala Lumpur via train/bus KUL-DPS DPS-SUB Bromo to Yogyakarta to Bandung to Jakarta via train CGK-SIN-SYD Sydney to Queensland to Sydney via train(?) SYD-SIN-LHR Which parts of my itiniery are unrealistic? In 83 days, how much £ would I have to allocate each day for transport/food/stuff? Even if this is a perceived absolutely once in a lifetime gap year experience, I would lower my sights considerably. In 83 days see a little bit of a lot of Southeast Asia (Thailand, Cambodia,Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar) or see a lot of a little bit of the region (Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam). Don't fly so much. And you list 25+ cities. Really? Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia as one trip would be another option. Or maybe Hong Kong, China and Vietnam? I have not been to Australia or Japan (except Narita City). If you go to Asia and you enjoy it, you will return. If you go to Asia and dislike it, you will be happy you didn't bite off so much at once. |
Originally Posted by Ryvyan
(Post 19777023)
Singapore is waaaaayyy cheap compared to Tokyo.
hotel = $450/night food = $250/day + $100 for room service golf = $300/round Tiger = $18/pint taxi ride across the marina (10 minute walk) = $12 (All prices presented in USD.) |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 19779915)
I only wish that you had shown me the ropes during my trip last week. My data points:
hotel = $450/night food = $250/day + $100 for room service golf = $300/round Tiger = $18/pint taxi ride across the marina (10 minute walk) = $12 (All prices presented in USD.) Which hotel were you at that is $450/night? I would agree that hotels ARE generally quite expensive here as is public housing, and anyone who comes here needs to be prepared for that and budget accordingly. Regardless, hostels are not that expensive here which is what the OP wants. I can say that hotels are expensive in London, but I can also tell you that I stayed in a really cheap and great hostel off Oxford Street. Singapore is small enough to be near the train system or bus service that brings you where you need to go. On your food $, that's plain ridiculous. :td: Maybe your main sustenance was from high-end restaurants with overpriced+lousy house wine, but generally, restaurants here aren't that expensive. Basically, YMMV again because some people do not mind eating out at hawker centres/food courts which are an absolute steal for the portion and well, local flavour. Room service is always a rip-off. Small island... pricey golf... It is not a very popular sport in this nation. I have no idea what the costs involve. Alcohol is expensive here but $18/pint of Tiger is an absolute rip-off. Except in clubs, then that's standard. Sadly. Most people either go all for it when drinking in clubs, or they get a little bit drunk at a nearby convenience store or similar before heading to clubs. There are pubs/restaurants that serve up their own brewed beers and they aren't that pricey even. Taxis are not that expensive, but the toll fees and peak hour charges and city fee surcharges can add up very quickly. Plus you're going to/from MBS, which taxi drivers hate for multiple reasons even if the extra surcharges are decent. Sorry for going OT. I don't travel in expensive style ever so again, YMMV. |
I agree that Japan seems a bit unrealistic for that budget.
I just spent some time in Taiwan which is surprisingly affordable and a really nice country. It is also very cheap to get around with lots of buses that go everywhere. According to my friend you can take a bus to pretty much every little town in the country from Taipei. The scenery is fantastic too. And Taipei is cheap to get around. The MRT costs next to nothing and is a great system. There are lots of buses going all over town for cheap too. And some (many?) of the buses are bilingual (i.e. announcements of stops in English and Chinese). Unless there is some non-obvious reason though, I think sticking to SE Asia would give you plenty to do and save you some time and money on the flying part. Vietnam is interesting. Burma is fascinating and while not as cheap as it used to be, can probably be done. The only other thing I would add is that 3 months is a long time. Especially for a first timer going solo. My luxury 1 month solo trips are usually plenty for me. By the end I am typically ready to go home. I did 5 weeks last year and it definitely felt like 1 week too long. I enjoy being on my own, but it can weigh on you sometimes, especially when you get sick or injured. I assume you will meet some folks along the way. But if your schedule is very set then chances are you won't meet a lot of traveling companions who will be with you for long. |
Originally Posted by Ryvyan
(Post 19780894)
Which hotel were you at that is $450/night?
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 19781666)
The RC in the marina area. While I'll be the first to admit that $450 was insane, and I didn't even score any award points (they don't participate in MR), it was a pretty nice hotel. I'll drop you a line before my January trip because I really don't like spending money in an obnoxious manner, regardless of who's picking up the tab.
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Originally Posted by dsquared37
(Post 19784945)
We went into the RC two years to have a look at some of the Chihuli glass on display. An interesting foyer but way too over the top for me.
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