Hawaii-based Airlines - Hawaiian to expand California service next Summer and debut A330 on Los Angeles route

Taken from the Hawaiian Air website press release:

"With the first of its new fleet of long range, wide-body Airbus A330-200 aircraft arriving in April, Hawaiian Airlines will expand its service from Hawaii’s largest visitor markets for the summer peak travel season with the addition of three daily flights to Hawaii from California. Hawaiian also announced it would put the first two of its new A330 aircraft into service on the Los Angeles-Honolulu route starting in June.

Hawaiian is adding two daily nonstop flights to Maui – one from Oakland and the other from San Diego – as well as another daily flight between Los Angeles and Honolulu, beginning June 17, 2010.

Mark Dunkerley, Hawaiian’s president and CEO, said, “The arrival of the first of our new longrange Airbus aircraft gives us the opportunity to expand our service from Hawaii’s largest visitor market when travel demand is at its highest.”

The new daily flight between Oakland and Maui is a first for Hawaiian. Flight #23 will depart Oakland daily at 12:20 p.m. and arrive in Maui at 2:20 p.m. Return Flight #24 will depart Maui daily at 9:35 p.m. and arrive in Oakland the following morning at 5:30 a.m. The new flight runs through September 6, 2010.

Hawaiian will also offer daily service between San Diego and Maui for the first time since summer 2008. Flight #37 will depart San Diego daily at 10:35 a.m. and arrive in Maui at 1:05 p.m. Return Flight #38 will depart Maui at 10:30 p.m. and arrive in San Diego at 6:35 a.m. the following morning. The new seasonal service concludes August 24, 2010.

Hawaiian will supplement its daily Los Angeles-Honolulu service with a new flight using the wide-body, twin-aisle A330-200 aircraft, which seats 294 passengers – 30 more seats than the Boeing 767-300 – in a two-class configuration. Flight #3 will depart Los Angeles daily at 10:45 a.m. and arrive in Honolulu at 1:15 p.m. Return Flight #4 will depart Honolulu daily at 10:30 p.m. and arrive in Los Angeles the following morning at 6:55 a.m. The extra flight runs through September 6, 2010.

Tickets for the three new summer flights are now available for purchase and can be booked online at HawaiianAirlines.com, by calling Hawaiian’s reservations department toll-free at (800) 367-5320, or through any professional travel agent.

Hawaiian’s first three A330-200 aircraft are being leased and will join the fleet starting next April. In addition, Hawaiian has signed a purchase agreement with Airbus to acquire six wide-body A330-200 aircraft (starting in 2012) and six A350XWB-800 (Extra Wide-Body) aircraft (starting in 2017), as well as purchase rights for an additional six aircraft of each model."

Taken from the Hawaiian Air website press release:

"With the first of its new fleet of long range, wide-body Airbus A330-200 aircraft arriving in April, Hawaiian Airlines will expand its service from Hawaii’s largest visitor markets for the summer peak travel season with the addition of three daily flights to Hawaii from California. Hawaiian also announced it would put the first two of its new A330 aircraft into service on the Los Angeles-Honolulu route starting in June.

Hawaiian is adding two daily nonstop flights to Maui – one from Oakland and the other from San Diego – as well as another daily flight between Los Angeles and Honolulu, beginning June 17, 2010.

Mark Dunkerley, Hawaiian’s president and CEO, said, “The arrival of the first of our new longrange Airbus aircraft gives us the opportunity to expand our service from Hawaii’s largest visitor market when travel demand is at its highest.”

The new daily flight between Oakland and Maui is a first for Hawaiian. Flight #23 will depart Oakland daily at 12:20 p.m. and arrive in Maui at 2:20 p.m. Return Flight #24 will depart Maui daily at 9:35 p.m. and arrive in Oakland the following morning at 5:30 a.m. The new flight runs through September 6, 2010.

Hawaiian will also offer daily service between San Diego and Maui for the first time since summer 2008. Flight #37 will depart San Diego daily at 10:35 a.m. and arrive in Maui at 1:05 p.m. Return Flight #38 will depart Maui at 10:30 p.m. and arrive in San Diego at 6:35 a.m. the following morning. The new seasonal service concludes August 24, 2010.

Hawaiian will supplement its daily Los Angeles-Honolulu service with a new flight using the wide-body, twin-aisle A330-200 aircraft, which seats 294 passengers – 30 more seats than the Boeing 767-300 – in a two-class configuration. Flight #3 will depart Los Angeles daily at 10:45 a.m. and arrive in Honolulu at 1:15 p.m. Return Flight #4 will depart Honolulu daily at 10:30 p.m. and arrive in Los Angeles the following morning at 6:55 a.m. The extra flight runs through September 6, 2010.

Tickets for the three new summer flights are now available for purchase and can be booked online at HawaiianAirlines.com, by calling Hawaiian’s reservations department toll-free at (800) 367-5320, or through any professional travel agent.

Hawaiian’s first three A330-200 aircraft are being leased and will join the fleet starting next April. In addition, Hawaiian has signed a purchase agreement with Airbus to acquire six wide-body A330-200 aircraft (starting in 2012) and six A350XWB-800 (Extra Wide-Body) aircraft (starting in 2017), as well as purchase rights for an additional six aircraft of each model."

Great to see new SAN to OGG service. But, we never go during the summer . . . . What are they going to do with those plans during the winter?

Great to see new SAN to OGG service. But, we never go during the summer . . . . What are they going to do with those plans during the winter?

I think HA will have to be considers new route for HNL-FLL nonstop. It would be perfect time during Hawaiian leisure vacation trip from South Florida is much more convenient. I think A332 will have to be freeing up to be expandable everywhere else instead of west coast to further East Coast. It have need to bring more specific new routes for HNL-JFK/BOS/MCO/FLL. I think it would be best time to bring more capacity passengers for FLL-HNL nonstop on operated A332 aircraft. If they will ever to be announced. It won't have any problem the weight restrictions over US Mainland.

Great to see new SAN to OGG service. But, we never go during the summer . . . . What are they going to do with those plans during the winter?

I would think non-stop service out of ORD if they could get slots. What's the range on those A330's anyway? In any event, they will most likely find some nice cold winter locales to fly out of to HI. Would like to see one out of SEA.

I would think non-stop service out of ORD if they could get slots. What's the range on those A330's anyway? In any event, they will most likely find some nice cold winter locales to fly out of to HI. Would like to see one out of SEA.

I think it is almost 6,000nm can possibly fly nonstop from HNL-ORD/JFK/BOS/IAD and few others specific routes.

I think HA will have to be considers new route for HNL-FLL nonstop. It would be perfect time during Hawaiian leisure vacation trip from South Florida is much more convenient. I think A332 will have to be freeing up to be expandable everywhere else instead of west coast to further East Coast. It have need to bring more specific new routes for HNL-JFK/BOS/MCO/FLL. I think it would be best time to bring more capacity passengers for FLL-HNL nonstop on operated A332 aircraft. If they will ever to be announced. It won't have any problem the weight restrictions over US Mainland.

HNL-FLL-HNL??!! I'd think there is little chance of that happening.

As I read the news release, there is only one new plane with the ability to go beyond the western US. What are they going to do with the plane they use to fly SAN-OGG during the summer when they stop that service in the winter.

HNL-FLL-HNL??!! I'd think there is little chance of that happening.

IF there is enough O/D dailies passengers from FLL-HNL. Someday in the future if HA will announced new route for HNL-FLL nonstop. It will have to take the advantage of it. It would be perfect opportunities to bring more leisure vacation trip out FLL-HNL nonstop.

The speculation about what HA will do with the rest of those new planes has centered around East Asian and U.S. mainland destinations, with an occasional European fantasy thrown in. East Asia seems like the best economic bet, with increasing interest in Hawaii tourism and better economic conditions. There are relatively few U.S. mainland destinations with the requisite O&D traffic that are not either already served or fortress hubs. BOS and Florida come to mind. It will be hard for HA to break into the Eastern USA market unless they are the only non-stop option, and one has to wonder if FF loyalty will keep those pax making connections. As much as I would love non-stop service from HNL to anywhere in Europe, I think somebody would already be doing it if there were money to be made.

The speculation about what HA will do with the rest of those new planes has centered around East Asian and U.S. mainland destinations, with an occasional European fantasy thrown in. East Asia seems like the best economic bet, with increasing interest in Hawaii tourism and better economic conditions. There are relatively few U.S. mainland destinations with the requisite O&D traffic that are not either already served or fortress hubs. BOS and Florida come to mind. It will be hard for HA to break into the Eastern USA market unless they are the only non-stop option, and one has to wonder if FF loyalty will keep those pax making connections. As much as I would love non-stop service from HNL to anywhere in Europe, I think somebody would already be doing it if there were money to be made.

HNL-HKG would be nice :)

FLL? Well, that's certainly thinking "out of the box". :)

The times on the new OGG flights are kind of weird if you ask me. Are the 767's just going to sit there on Maui during the layover there? I wonder what else they are going to do, because having them sit there doing nothing doesn't make sense.

-David

I'd really like to see HA come back into Ontario. They've tried it twice in the last couple of years. There is a big market here in the Inland Empire.

I'd really like to see HA come back into Ontario. They've tried it twice in the last couple of years. There is a big market here in the Inland Empire.

No, not right now. HA is already expanding more new route OAK/SAN-OGG. You'll will see it in the future if HA will be reinstates for HNL-ONT anytime soon. Same as AQ has already flies out ONT-HNL/OGG before it was cease operation. I remember where the specific routes came from. I am not familiarization anything for which the specific routes has no longer existed.

I'd really like to see HA come back into Ontario. They've tried it twice in the last couple of years. There is a big market here in the Inland Empire.

Your last two sentences seem to contradict each other. If there were such a big market in the Inland Empire, then it is baffling as to why HA couldn't make ONT-HNL work. Were the fares too high or something??? It would seem to me that ONT is a very convenient airport for the Inland Empire.

I'm not surprised HA would introduce the A330 on the LAX-HNL route, which seems to be their most popular long haul route. I'd wish however, that they should have mixed their 330 fleet with a combination of 200 and 300 series models. For example, the A330-300 would have been a better match flying on the LAX-HNL route, where range is secondary to capacity. An A330-300 could easily carry 294 pax, just like HA's A330-200s, but with 2-4-2 seating and not with 3-3-3 seating as currently proposed. The A330-200s typically seat 278 pax with 2-4-2 seating. However, HA, wanting to standardize the A330-200s longer range while cramming more seats to maintain a reasonable fare structure has opt for the A330-300s seating capacity in a 200 series airframe.

As an earlier post stated, an HNL-FLL route is really thinking out of the box. HNL and FLL are two competing destination markets. HNL captures the west, northwest and midwest tourist markets. FLL, OTOH, captures some of the western, midwestern, eastern and southern markets. HA would do better to fly HNL-DFW and HNL-ORD and then develop code share services east from there. Even HNL-IAD or HNL-JFK may be a better option for the A330s if HA can develop code sharing flights to Europe from those airports.

No, not right now. HA is already expanding more new route OAK/SAN-OGG. You'll will see it in the future if HA will be reinstates for HNL-ONT anytime soon. Same as AQ has already flies out ONT-HNL/OGG before it was cease operation. I remember where the specific routes came from. I am not familiarization anything for which the specific routes has no longer existed.

So how much is it that HA is 'filling the gap' with the OAK-OGG service vs. going after AS on a new route, since AS has been beefing up in the PNW-Hawaii routes?

ONT... that theoretically could be an option for AS if HA couldn't make it work with its larger A/C... a nice niche market with some disposable $ :p

So how much is it that HA is 'filling the gap' with the OAK-OGG service vs. going after AS on a new route, since AS has been beefing up in the PNW-Hawaii routes?

ONT... that theoretically could be an option for AS if HA couldn't make it work with its larger A/C... a nice niche market with some disposable $ :p

You have a good point about AS and niche markets to HNL. Perhaps this is AS's future to HNL. They could look at secondary markets in California, perhaps take over where Aloha left off.

However, HA, wanting to standardize the A330-200s longer range while cramming more seats to maintain a reasonable fare structure has opt for the A330-300s seating capacity in a 200 series airframe.

Reminds me of HA's old L1011's with 10 seats across, rather than the norm of 9 seats across at the time!

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However, HA, wanting to standardize the A330-200s longer range while cramming more seats to maintain a reasonable fare structure has opt for the A330-300s seating capacity in a 200 series airframe.

Reminds me of HA's old L1011's with 10 seats across, rather than the norm of 9 seats across at the time!

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Granted I was less then 5 when I rode those...so I actually fit!

An A330-300 could easily carry 294 pax, just like HA's A330-200s, but with 2-4-2 seating and not with 3-3-3 seating as currently proposed.

Where did you hear that the A332s would be 3-3-3? Last I heard was the A332's were standard 2-4-2 and the A358s would be 3-3-3.

Where did you hear that the A332s would be 3-3-3? Last I heard was the A332's were standard 2-4-2 and the A358s would be 3-3-3.

HA recently had a cabin layout demonstration somewhere at HNL that showed the latest individual IFE together with 9 across seating. Typically, an A332 seats about 278 in 2 class w/ 2-4-2 seating. The A333 typically seats 294/300 with 2-4-2 seating in 2 class. Let's hope you're right, though.

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Granted I was less then 5 when I rode those...so I actually fit!

LOL! You're taking me down memory lane with those L-1011s.

HA recently had a cabin layout demonstration somewhere at HNL that showed the latest individual IFE together with 9 across seating. Typically, an A332 seats about 278 in 2 class w/ 2-4-2 seating. The A333 typically seats 294/300 with 2-4-2 seating in 2 class. Let's hope you're right, though.

Oh I remember that....it was just a demo more for the IFE for the A332. From the HA staffers that I chatted with, it is going to be 2-4-2. Hopefully it will not change. Guess we will have to wait until next June to find out when the first ship enters service ^

Where did you hear that the A332s would be 3-3-3? Last I heard was the A332's were standard 2-4-2 and the A358s would be 3-3-3.

No, I think A330 will have 2-4-2 the seat configurations. HA will have to installed the AVOD in the economy class and need to installed the personal TV in the First Class section during TPAC flight out HNL-US Mainland.

LOL! You're taking me down memory lane with those L-1011s.

:p I remember that HA who flown on L1011 aircraft & DC-10 during TPAC flight out of LAX/SFO-HNL. I don't recalled for which the equipment is that. When HA has been retired the older L1011 & DC-10-30/40 aircraft. I remember where HA want to put on orders newest B767-300/ER aircraft for replacement older DC-10-30/40. I realize one of my uncle who flown on HA out LAX-HNL-KOA by 13 years ago.

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Granted I was less then 5 when I rode those...so I actually fit!

Sadly, I remember further back when the DC-10 and L-1011's were first introduced with 2-4-2 (8 across seating). It was almost like sitting in F (well, maybe not, because I was only about 5 at that time:D)!