JetBlue TrueBlue - PHL

Any idea if JetBlue will ever serve Philadelphia? Would be GREAT to see them there. Now that DL is discontinuing it's PHL-BOS route, that might be good for JetBlue!

Any idea if JetBlue will ever serve Philadelphia? Would be GREAT to see them there. Now that DL is discontinuing it's PHL-BOS route, that might be good for JetBlue!

I wouldn't be suprised if this is a station that B6 has always kept an eye on. If they do move in, I would expect a turf war from WN (i.e. BOS-BWI). If there is any way the numbers would make sense they would do it. However, I think JetBlue is making more money on the carribean routes right now.

I wouldn't be suprised if this is a station that B6 has always kept an eye on. If they do move in, I would expect a turf war from WN (i.e. BOS-BWI). If there is any way the numbers would make sense they would do it. However, I think JetBlue is making more money on the carribean routes right now.

WN doesn't offer PHL-BOS though (nor PHL-CLT), and I don't think they will offer PHL-BOS because it'll dilute PVD and MHT's flights, and overall purpose. All the PVD and MHT folk will cry foul, if their airport is eliminated.

JetBlue's presence might be a turf war with US, for all the routes WN doesn't fly nonstop from PHL.

The BOS-PHL-BOS traveler doesn't get as screwed nearly as bad as the PHL-BOS-PHL traveler however. The former can ask their pal/parent to drop them off at PVD or MHT, park their own car at either airport, or book a BOS-PHL-EWR (1 way) via US which runs for $100 and just leave at PHL, not taking the PHL-EWR segment.

The PHL flier can't do any of those.

The whole situation however benefits Amtrak, who gets customers traveling south to BWI, customers taking Amtrak all the way, or customers between PVD and BOS.

I think JetBlue (or maybe already existant AirTran) could silently move into ACY, and offer an AM flight and afternoon flight to BOS, if they want to avoid an unprofitable turf war. Something Spirit doesn't realize to do, as they only offer a 5:25pm flight which I think is a middle point between Myrtle Beach and BOS. They consider ACY more as a small resort type airport, but SJTA has been focusing on ACY towards PHL folks.

I respect your arguement, rtalk25, but I garuntee you that WN will start PHL-BOS serve the minute JetBlue does. JetBlue will snatch all the people closer to BOS that were driving to MHT and PVD for the cheaper WN fares (atleast people who fly LCC's because they think they are cheaper) not to mention service the B6 provides. Just look what happened with BOS-BWI.

I respect your arguement, rtalk25, but I garuntee you that WN will start PHL-BOS serve the minute JetBlue does. JetBlue will snatch all the people closer to BOS that were driving to MHT and PVD for the cheaper WN fares (atleast people who fly LCC's because they think they are cheaper) not to mention service the B6 provides. Just look what happened with BOS-BWI.

I don't think such good idea for flying PHL-BOS due to direct competitive FL, DL, US. I think it will able to kept WN service for PHL-MHT. I knows the routes are very sustainable out PHL-MHT instead of BOS. It doesnt need to get another route for PHL-BOS both WN & B6. This is not specific time both WN & B6 isn't getting more potential new routes. It is not possibility for flying to BOS but, they are tougher competition against US & FL. I don't see what happening anytime soon.

I don't think such good idea for flying PHL-BOS due to direct competitive FL, DL, US.

I thought DL will discontinue PHL-BOS??

The PHL flier can't do any of those.

Drive to EWR.

I respect your arguement, rtalk25, but I garuntee you that WN will start PHL-BOS serve the minute JetBlue does. JetBlue will snatch all the people closer to BOS that were driving to MHT and PVD for the cheaper WN fares (atleast people who fly LCC's because they think they are cheaper) not to mention service the B6 provides. Just look what happened with BOS-BWI.

B6 could make a killing with E190's on HPN/SWF-ACY. It's too low-demand to waste JFK slots on, but there is a market there, just I told the VP of Reservations at CO that CLE-ACY and restoring the old EWR-ACY were worth a second look.

I thought DL will discontinue PHL-BOS??

Yes, they did. Its has been discontinuation by earlier 2009.

B6 could make a killing with E190's on HPN/SWF-ACY. It's too low-demand to waste JFK slots on, but there is a market there, just I told the VP of Reservations at CO that CLE-ACY and restoring the old EWR-ACY were worth a second look.

There is a difference between demand and profits. You may have a demand there but may not be a profit. I highly doubt that EWR-ACY will produce a profit. You might be able to eek out a profit with the CLE-ACY market (taking connections into a factor) but there is also a hundred routes in the same boat.

I don't think such good idea for flying PHL-BOS due to direct competitive FL, DL, US. I think it will able to kept WN service for PHL-MHT. I knows the routes are very sustainable out PHL-MHT instead of BOS. It doesnt need to get another route for PHL-BOS both WN & B6. This is not specific time both WN & B6 isn't getting more potential new routes. It is not possibility for flying to BOS but, they are tougher competition against US & FL. I don't see what happening anytime soon.

I wasn't suggesting that B6 will start that service. I was using that post to prove my point from post #2 in this thread.

Drive to EWR.


Doesn't make sense at all.

Factor in:
1. Take a train to EWR: time consuming on NJ Transit, and/or drive via NJ Turnpike: heavy traffic and tolls.
2. Then fly from EWR back into PHL: redundant , to head to BOS.
3. cost of checked bags on US

The nonstop flights via US (from PHL) and CO (from EWR) generally range from $250-$550 easily.


A better solution from the Philly side, is to drive to the Wilmington, Del Amtrak station (no toll from Philly, $4 from So. NJ, but an easy drive from So. NJ via I-295) book a $34 Amtrak ticket to BWI, then the $39 JetBlue or Southwest ticket from BWI-BOS. Of course, you'd hope for no delays on Amtrak to avoid being delayed to the airport.

Still it consumes 4-7 hours or almost a day of travel with the drive, the train ride, then getting to the airport, or probably the same vice versa going into PVD, then figuring the way to BOS affordably, or taking Amtrak all the way.

ACY is about a 1 hour drive from Philly.
The ACY-BOS flight via Spirit is the shortest duration for still < $100, reaching BOS (not PVD or MHT), but there is only 1 flight a day via Spirit. Fares can be as low as $29 (+ $19 checked bag fee).

SJTA is advertising ACY all the way up by Newark Airport. Nice but useless. I can't see a great benefit from someone in Northern or Central NJ driving down to ACY, pay all the tolls, to fly on AirTran or Spirit, both with checked bag fees. SJTA could be doing a lot more advertising just within the eastern half of the Philadephia metro. AirTran has more Atlanta flights, and connections, from PHL anyways, so they can't make ACY more enticing on that airline for those where ACY is really out of the way.

I don't think such good idea for flying PHL-BOS due to direct competitive FL, DL, US. I think it will able to kept WN service for PHL-MHT. I knows the routes are very sustainable out PHL-MHT instead of BOS. It doesnt need to get another route for PHL-BOS both WN & B6. This is not specific time both WN & B6 isn't getting more potential new routes. It is not possibility for flying to BOS but, they are tougher competition against US & FL. I don't see what happening anytime soon.

FL and DL don't fly PHL-BOS anymore. Only US.

B6 could make a killing with E190's on HPN/SWF-ACY. It's too low-demand to waste JFK slots on, but there is a market there, just I told the VP of Reservations at CO that CLE-ACY and restoring the old EWR-ACY were worth a second look.

Thanks for the laugh. First off, HPN is slotted and SWF has very little demand to anywhere. Secondly, who in their right mind would fly when it takes less total time to drive?

FL and DL don't fly PHL-BOS anymore. Only US.

Gotcha! Thanks! I didn't realize know that. That's why both FL & DL has been discontinuation for PHL-BOS due to poorly performance. Perhaps I think WN will have to be considers service BOS-PHL for next connection flight ongoing to west coast or further south.

I respect your arguement, rtalk25, but I garuntee you that WN will start PHL-BOS serve the minute JetBlue does. JetBlue will snatch all the people closer to BOS that were driving to MHT and PVD for the cheaper WN fares (atleast people who fly LCC's because they think they are cheaper) not to mention service the B6 provides. Just look what happened with BOS-BWI.

It'd really hurt WN's PVD-PHL and MHT-PHL sectors.

For example, if you're in PVD and want to head to LAS for a trip, two of the flights go through PHL. If PHL-BOS became dominant, the MHT and PVD planes would empty out, forcing reductions at both or either MHT and PVD, affecting the routing of many more flights out of those cities, including those LAS flights.

BWI is different, in that it's a WN east-coast focus city and BWI has better connections than PHL, so the whole "WN starting service BWI-BOS service when other LCCs are doing it" still works. Also with the numbers, they can push for BWI, but can't push for PHL at the same time.

BWI's advantages over PHL:
1. East coast focus city, with connections to many east coast cities.
2. No fare war with a legacy hub-spoke carrier (at PHL its US).
3. Accessible within Washington-Baltimore metro, with no highway tolls from the Montgomery Co. MD/DC/No Va area into BWI. Access from Delaware and Central PA.

Granted, one can say PHL's reach can extend to areas of Central and Northern NJ, if one takes Route 1 into I-95 S crossing into PA. However, Baltimore's distance to NY, makes the BWI-LGA flight viable, whereby PHL is too close to the New York and the Washington airports for flights between these airports, except for regional jet planes.

4. Direct Amtrak connectivity. PHL requires a SEPTA changeover.
5. Cruises departing from Baltimore.

Because of PVD and MHT, I'd rule out WN. Either JetBlue or AirTran returning with the route, and if its from PHL, more traffic, but likely a low fare war with US.

I think from ACY, it'd be viable for 2 flights a day to BOS, AM and early afternoon initially, at $79-99 1 way, and it'd still be a viable solution for many (over the 5-7 hour Amtrak alternative). However, ACY can be out of the way, esp. if one is 20 miles west of Philadelphia and more.

AA, FL, and DL have all at some point offered PHL-BOS and now it is solely US. Obviously with no competition fares have jumped but a key component with this route is frequency.

FL maxed out with 7 a day for a short time but for the most part it was around 3-5. DL ranged from 4-6, and AA slowly decreased from the BusinessExpress days and discontinued the route a long time ago. These frequencies really don't compete against US' 13-16 a day. In order for B6 to be competitive on the route they would likely have to offer at least 6 flts a day. Despite how popular B6 has become they have no market base in PHL yet. Gaining a share in BOS-PHL may be hard up front, especially when BOS and PHL are already large markets for US. If they are interested in PHL, starting a few Florida/California routes may help them form a market in PHL. At which point they would be better positioned to go up against US on BOS-PHL.

AA, FL, and DL have all at some point offered PHL-BOS and now it is solely US. Obviously with no competition fares have jumped but a key component with this route is frequency.

FL maxed out with 7 a day for a short time but for the most part it was around 3-5. DL ranged from 4-6, and AA slowly decreased from the BusinessExpress days and discontinued the route a long time ago. These frequencies really don't compete against US' 13-16 a day. In order for B6 to be competitive on the route they would likely have to offer at least 6 flts a day. Despite how popular B6 has become they have no market base in PHL yet. Gaining a share in BOS-PHL may be hard up front, especially when BOS and PHL are already large markets for US. If they are interested in PHL, starting a few Florida/California routes may help them form a market in PHL. At which point they would be better positioned to go up against US on BOS-PHL.

I don't know how well B6 would do going PHL-MCO/FLL. They would be starting as a new carrier in the market to compete against US and WN. BOS-PHL might carrier some minimal weight b/c of B6's presence in BOS but that's about it at first. Then again, that just MHO.

Well a PHL-LAX flight would CERTAINLY be welcome from my stand point...having B6 instead of UA and US on that route would be amazing!

I don't know how well B6 would do going PHL-MCO/FLL. They would be starting as a new carrier in the market to compete against US and WN. BOS-PHL might carrier some minimal weight b/c of B6's presence in BOS but that's about it at first. Then again, that just MHO.

I think it could be workout very well in PHL-MCO/FLL/LAX/BOS. So it won't go for JFK-PHL is not specific times. So this is better way B6 will able flying out of BOS-PHL is more convenient. So besides, B6 will have to enough own logical choice to need more new city to be announced.

AA, FL, and DL have all at some point offered PHL-BOS and now it is solely US. Obviously with no competition fares have jumped but a key component with this route is frequency.

FL maxed out with 7 a day for a short time but for the most part it was around 3-5. DL ranged from 4-6, and AA slowly decreased from the BusinessExpress days and discontinued the route a long time ago. These frequencies really don't compete against US' 13-16 a day. In order for B6 to be competitive on the route they would likely have to offer at least 6 flts a day. Despite how popular B6 has become they have no market base in PHL yet. Gaining a share in BOS-PHL may be hard up front, especially when BOS and PHL are already large markets for US. If they are interested in PHL, starting a few Florida/California routes may help them form a market in PHL. At which point they would be better positioned to go up against US on BOS-PHL.

But aren't those 13-16 a day US flights encouraged more for people out of the area, reaching US' hub city, for i.e. connections? e.g. It's cheaper to fly (Allentown) ABE-PHL-BOS, than PHL-BOS. Instead US is offering low fares to BOS, as long as the PHL flier stops in Pittsburgh PHL-PIT-BOS to encourage the PHL-PIT and PIT-BOS sectors. The sacrifice that the PHL flier will waste a whole day dedicated to travel, just to fly up to Boston.

So I bet on that PHL-BOS nonstop flight, it's filled with people not originating from Philly, unless one (or one's company) is willing to spend $550 to get to Boston in an hour and a half.

A JetBlue service would target Philadelphians looking to get to Boston. So even if they offered fewer flights, it could still be competitive. You think that B6 offers 2x nonstop a day from EWR-FLL, while legacy Continental offers 4x MIA + 6x FLL, that B6 doesn't have to offer as many flights as the legacy competitor to make money on the route.

I think B6 anyways already knows PHL is a US/WN market for most routes.

Also, even though BWI is considered a Washington area airport, and EWR is considered a New York area airport, both BWI and EWR grab a share of passengers from the Philadelphia metro, and B6 just started at BWI.

And for the PHL-BOS route, there is Amtrak, and flights to PVD or Manchester (MHT), and a companies in NH offering ground transportation. flightlineinc.com offers $29 one way from MHT-BOS.

I was thinking wouldn't it make more sense for B6 to target a mid-size market where there is no LCC service?

I'm thinking GSP is underserved. B6 could offer GSP-BWI-BOS and maybe JFK-GSP-FLL, providing connections for GSP to Ft. Lauderdale (and better frequency than Allegiant) and Boston, New York and Baltimore/Washington, mainly linking GSP to the East coast, and connecting to the JFK hub. I think the local GSP originator would save 2 1/2 hours by not having to drive to ATL and be able to get to places on the east coast within 4 hours affordably. Then, continue to choose to drive to ATL for international and domestic-west coast flights but have the option not to be stuck with only ATL.