JAL Mileage Bank - 24 route suspensions and 6000 personnel cut

http://www.47news.jp/CN/200909/CN2009091401001037.html

地方路線の見直しでは、新千歳（北海道）、羽田とを結んでいる神戸空港について、需要低迷が続けば撤退も検 討する。国際線は、成田や関西空港と中国を結ぶ路線を中心に運航を取りやめる。

Looks like NRT/KIX-China routes are the target for international cuts and HND, CTS, UKB are mentioned in the domestic cuts

Are these gonna be additional cuts? And is this layoff the first time during the current economic recession period, or was there already?

It's sad anyhow.

Are these gonna be additional cuts? And is this layoff the first time during the current economic recession period, or was there already?

It's sad anyhow.

I think those are additional cuts...Not sure if it's layoff though...maybe some Japanese FTers can help to translate the part.

1,000 additional cuts over the initial restructuring plan, for a total of 6,000.

While the article doesn't mention the China routes to be cut, the move sounds desperate. I cannot with the best will understand what is to be achieved by cutting flights to about the only growing market in the World?

While the article doesn't mention the China routes to be cut, the move sounds desperate. I cannot with the best will understand what is to be achieved by cutting flights to about the only growing market in the World?

maybe less people are taking JL and changing to ANA? or they area changing to other airlines.

While the article doesn't mention the China routes to be cut, the move sounds desperate. I cannot with the best will understand what is to be achieved by cutting flights to about the only growing market in the World?

For the long run JAL shouldn't be cutting back its China network due to its potential. But they just can't afford losing money on those flights anymore. The flight load are only in the 40% range (43.7% in July).

Just to clarify, I don't think the article says that 24 routes will be suspended. I think it's saying that 24 routes will either be suspended or will see reductions in frequency.

Actually it'll be 20 International routes suspended, according to latest report.

http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=ind_30&k=2009091500216

経営再建中の日本航空が、不採算の国際線２５路線前後の廃止・減便を検討していることが１５日明らかになっ た。このうち、関西－中国・大連など約２０路線を廃止する計画で、策定中の経営改善計画に盛り 込む

I think those are additional cuts...Not sure if it's layoff though...maybe some Japanese FTers can help to translate the part.

That's interesting that you could understand the first bit in the opening post but not the rest of the article...are you using Babelfish? :)

That's interesting that you could understand the first bit in the opening post but not the rest of the article...are you using Babelfish? :)

hehe Cuz I can read the Chinese characters (and of course google translate helps a bit) :p And I read the simplified English version before finding the full Japanese version...

I watched on NHK news and it said up to 30 international routes......

A thread in a.net says Rome and Sao Paulo will be cut. Or Milan and Mexico city.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4550956/

Also interesting to see if all international traffic including shorthauls is to be concentrated at NRT. Does JAL expect Kansai originating passengers bound to Beijing or Shanghai to change planes at Tokyo first and double their travel time?

Also interesting to see if all international traffic including shorthauls is to be concentrated at NRT. Does JAL expect Kansai originating passengers bound to Beijing or Shanghai to change planes at Tokyo first and double their travel time?

dont think JAL is going to cut every off from Kansai, but just reduce it to where demand=supply

Can someone with better knowledge of the Japanese market than me please explain while JL is on the verge of collapse (or so it appears these days) while ANA seems to be relatively unscathed?

Can someone with better knowledge of the Japanese market than me please explain while JL is on the verge of collapse (or so it appears these days) while ANA seems to be relatively unscathed?

I think is to do with what the japanese like, many of them actually prefer ANA over JAL because of the service that they provide is better for ANA
I got some Japanese friends and most of them said that they would like to take ANA rather than JAL because ANA is more 'Japanese', meaning less western and more creative and modern than JAL, which represents the older japanese generation

Some news reports

Kansai-Hangzhou
Kansai-Dalian

I would except the Shanghai frequency down and Guangzhou frequency down also

Can someone with better knowledge of the Japanese market than me please explain while JL is on the verge of collapse (or so it appears these days) while ANA seems to be relatively unscathed?

It has a lot to do with history, IMO.

Up to 1987, Japan basically had JAL on all international routes and a few key domestic routes, ANA doing the bulk of the domestic trunk flying, and JAS (the ultimate combination of several smaller domestic carriers) doing all the feeder flights to smaller cities.

When the market was deregulated in 1987, ANA started expanding into what appeared to be the most financially viable international markets -- as opposed to JAL, which had been picking its markets based more on government guidance and support, which often amounted to "fly everywhere." The result was that ANA had a "leaner and meaner" international operation than JAL throughout the 90s, particularly once it got into the Star Alliance (several years ahead of JAL joining oneworld IIRC).

Then to make things worse, JAL merged with JAS, a move that was intended to bring the big JAL international network together with the big JAS domestic network. I believe this was yet another deal cooked up by bureaucrats in the transport ministry, who hold a lot of sway over common carriers here. The integration was a serious headache for JAL because of poor fleet commonality, incompatible employee pay scales and a variety of other problems, and it didn't really solve any of the existing problems at JAL.

I think is to do with what the japanese like, many of them actually prefer ANA over JAL because of the service that they provide is better for ANA
I got some Japanese friends and most of them said that they would like to take ANA rather than JAL because ANA is more 'Japanese', meaning less western and more creative and modern than JAL, which represents the older japanese generation

Now, take a deep breath, step back, and think clearly about what you are trying to say, because what you write above makes no sense.

It has a lot to do with history, IMO.

Up to 1987, Japan basically had JAL on all international routes and a few key domestic routes, ANA doing the bulk of the domestic trunk flying, and JAS (the ultimate combination of several smaller domestic carriers) doing all the feeder flights to smaller cities.

When the market was deregulated in 1987, ANA started expanding into what appeared to be the most financially viable international markets -- as opposed to JAL, which had been picking its markets based more on government guidance and support, which often amounted to "fly everywhere." The result was that ANA had a "leaner and meaner" international operation than JAL throughout the 90s, particularly once it got into the Star Alliance (several years ahead of JAL joining oneworld IIRC).

Then to make things worse, JAL merged with JAS, a move that was intended to bring the big JAL international network together with the big JAS domestic network. I believe this was yet another deal cooked up by bureaucrats in the transport ministry, who hold a lot of sway over common carriers here. The integration was a serious headache for JAL because of poor fleet commonality, incompatible employee pay scales and a variety of other problems, and it didn't really solve any of the existing problems at JAL.


Thank you. Very good to know the history.

Now, take a deep breath, step back, and think clearly about what you are trying to say, because what you write above makes no sense.

ok..in simplified terms, many japanese prefer ANA over JAL because they think their service is better
that should be more clearer

ok..in simplified terms, many japanese prefer ANA over JAL because they think their service is better
that should be more clearer

OK, fair enough.

couple of years ago JAL had tons of problems with safety....parts from airplanes fell off etc....

so people flocked to NH which had no problems....(well if you don't include that propeller aircraft that landed on the belly in ITM airport)

I flew SHA-HND on September and it was half-empty/half-full... a depressing sight, no doubt.

JAL's a good airline, but I really do prefer ANA. The overall cabins and service just seem more polished on ANA.