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385thBG
Sep 12, 09, 6:13 am
My husband returned from a one week trip to England the other day. It was his first overseas trip on VS and the two flights could not have been more different, hence the title, Tale of Two Virgins.

He departed VS 22 IAD-LHR on September 2 flying on Varga Girl (340-600). At just over 6’ tall and seated in economy he was fairly appalled at the leg room which was made significantly worse by the fellow in front of him who, as soon as possible and without looking, slammed back his seat in recline and left it that way for the rest of the trip. This meant not only bruised knees, but my husband could not see a good portion of the video screen nor could he get out of his seat (to be fair, he didn’t bother). While he had planned to get some sleep on the flight, the second nightmare of the journey was about to begin. An African woman flying with a number of young children decided that it was not her business to mind the children. They evidently scampered back and forth over the tops of the seats (empty row in front of them), were loud, ran up and down the aisles, pushed the buttons on AVOD so repeatedly that they put it out of commission for a time, and generally made the entire journey unsupportable for those around them. What was more unfortunate from my husband’s point of view is that the crew never once made any attempt to ask the woman to control her children so that others on this overnight flight might get some rest (evidently the crew did not provide much in the way of any service on this flight—playing least in sight). My husband and his seatmate evidently looked over numerous times (since they obviously got no sleep) expecting this woman would get the hint to bring her children under control, but she just glared back at them. To add insult to injury, as they disembarked from the plane, the African woman made a loud comment to her children. “There go the miserable people.” No kidding. So that was tale of Virgin I. My husband was not a happy camper and was already planning never to fly VS again.

The tale of Virgin II could not have been more different. Luckily, on his return flight, Sept 10, he was in economy on VS21 but luckily on the only 340-300 (Rainbow Lady) with AVOD and the new Y seats which provide lumbar control. He was much more comfortable in this seat and said the crew was simply outstanding, coming up and down the aisles all throughout the flight with drink service, candies, and asking if they could do anything to make the flight more pleasant if anyone in the cabin so much as raised their head. Even the captain made an announcement near the end of the flight mentioning the outstanding cabin crew. From my husband’s point of view, he felt as though he had flown two different airlines. The second flight restored his faith in the ability of VS to provide a good product and top service.

He did have two small complaints – at LHR, he spent more than 45 minutes in the bag drop line while other lines moved greater speed. He and other passengers in the line complained to two different supervisors about the slowness of the girl at the desk. What should have been a relatively speedy process was not. Turns out the girl was not just checking bags but also changing tickets, looking for new seats, etc. The first supervisor checked with girl and came back to say there was no problem! The second supervisor finally began moving folks out of the slow line into other faster moving ones. Unfortunately, my husband was not one of them because by this time he was next in line to be served so she told him to stay put. Too bad the guy in front of him was one of the ones wanting all the changes to his ticket, seating, etc. V. frustrating. Of course, my husband did better than my son who flew VS from LHR in August and waited two hours in line for a bag drop. Luckily, they both showed up 3 hours in advance of the flights. Please Virgin make the bag drop line for Bag Drops only! As for the final small complaint, it wasn’t Virgin’s fault that his seatmate, though very nice and quiet, was part of the great unwashed.

I fly the same route in a few weeks so we will see how my experience compares.


Curious_George
Sep 12, 09, 12:26 pm
I don't get it, what does the fellow passenger being African or female have to do with her behavior?

slinky09
Sep 12, 09, 3:27 pm
I don't get it, what does the fellow passenger being African or female have to do with her behavior?

I read that as an observation not an 'ism'.

As for the OP - this seems to be one of Virgin's biggest problems. The product in all classes can be excellent, but sometimes / often it's the opposite. Consistency is a really good thing.


Curious_George
Sep 12, 09, 4:36 pm
Yeah, I probably read too much into it. My apologies to the OP.

duchy
Sep 12, 09, 5:03 pm
What I don't get is...... Why do you continue to fly Virgin as a family?

I gave up on them a few years ago after a mix of excellent and truely bad flights. Virgin are like the little girl with the little curl-When they are good they are very very good but when they are bad they are horrid.

chistery
Sep 13, 09, 2:27 am
Did your husband ask to see the FSM and make a complaint about these children? It's always best sorted out on the plane when there's an issue. The CC should have spotted it and done something but I really don't understand why people don't highlight these issues when they occur.

MP (Miles+Points)
Sep 13, 09, 3:35 am
VS economy class are fine, if you fly to HKG, PVG, NRT, or Dubai. But doing economy to US on VS is sometimes very difficult. My personal experience is you've 50:50 chance to have those doggy passengers around you.

Anything to do with size?

385thBG
Sep 13, 09, 11:13 am
Apologies accepted Curious George. Thank you. No slight intended on my part towards any group of people. As slinky09 commented, it was merely an observation.

As a family, we have flown a variety of carriers to the UK. Generally, the choice of carrier is based on price. I flew CO’s day flight from BWI-EWR-LHR in April on 752 and it was very enjoyable, esp. as it only cost me $483. Upon arrival in LHR at 9:30 pm, I stayed overnight at the Hilton. It was a great way to go to the UK as you wake the next day ready to go with no jet lag. But on the other hand, flying through EWR is a royal pain (esp as I endured a 3 hour delay for my connection to BWI upon the return trip).

I have flown VS in UC (using CO miles). While it was a lovely experience for the most part (loved the Clubhouse), it was somewhat diminished by the passenger next to me on the way over who had a violent cold that made any sleeping (lovely flat bed) on my part impossible, and the fact that my bag on the return trip to Dulles was the virtually the last one off the plane—UC tag notwithstanding. Stuff happens.

I do fly domestically a fair amount and up until this year had elite status with CO for most of the past decade. I have had some interesting flying experiences over the years (some of the worst in domestic first class due to passenger misbehavior) so really, class of service doesn’t always make a difference whether it is in VS or in US carriers.

In response to Chistery’s question as to why my husband didn’t ask to see the FSM...well, that was the first thing I asked him, too. He said that frankly the woman appeared to be getting a great deal of pleasure in making the people around her uncomfortable and he thought that if he complained she would make even more of a scene. Can’t say that I would have put up with it, but I also think that the CC could not have missed this kind of behavior (children jumping back and forth over the seats) and it speaks volumes about the FSM/CC that they did nothing about it.

When all is said and done, the contrast between the two crews (outbound/inbound) really shows what a difference an attentive and pleasant FSM/CC makes regardless of whatever airline we choose to fly.

paulTX
Sep 15, 09, 11:41 am
... was made significantly worse by the fellow in front of him...

... second nightmare of the journey was about to begin. An African woman flying with a number of young children...

... Too bad the guy in front of him was one of the ones wanting all the changes to his ticket, seating, etc. V. .

... it was somewhat diminished by the passenger next to me on the way over who had a violent cold...

... some of the worst in domestic first class due to passenger misbehavior...



:D:D .. ever considered buying a private jet? ...sorry, just my sense of humour!! These people are all "plants" by BA to make your VS experience miserable. :):)



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