Other Hotel Programs - Forum Proposal: Accor A-club

Now that's Accor's A-club Hotel programme has been in existence for a year it seems time has come to give its own forum.

I have put it to our esteemed TalkBoard.

A-club members are encouraged to discuss this over in the TalkBoard Topics forum. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/985311-forum-proposal-accor-club.html):)

Please follow the link above and post your comments and views there, not here. Thanks

I wonder whether there is enough traffic to justify it. If you look at postings here they are relatively few and far between, compared to what you see on other hotel program forums. And the program is crummy enough that I don't see that changing soon. I still have to send in receipts to get points for >50% of my stays, regardless of emails they send saying it shouldn't be necessary any more. They just haven't been able to master the basics, much less compete with the other major programs in the market. For a chain the size of Accor it is something of a disgrace, IMHO.

I think it's a very good idea to create a new forum for Accor. They are one of the biggest hotel group in the world and having a specific forum will stimulate the debate, rather than having threads mixed in a long list of various, unrelated discussions

I think it's a very good idea to create a new forum for Accor. They are one of the biggest hotel group in the world and having a specific forum will stimulate the debate, rather than having threads mixed in a long list of various, unrelated discussions

I'm 100% with you Goldorak ^

Even though there might not be that many posting on Accor compared to others, it seems like it takes up most of the postings on the Other Hotel Programs.

I just joined the program, thanks to my upcoming stay at the Ibis at CDG. :)

Does FT have any general policy/guidance on what the threshold is to start a board?

Personally, as an A-Club Plat I think that such a board would be quite useful for discussing the actual hotel properties, but get rather little traffic for the program itself.

Does FT have any general policy/guidance on what the threshold is to start a board?

It's up to the Talk Board, and there are no hard guidelines other than when they decide it's needed. See:

Has the TalkBoard developed guidelines for opening or closing forums? (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/916349-has-talkboard-developed-guidelines-opening-closing-forums.html)

I wonder whether there is enough traffic to justify it. If you look at postings here they are relatively few and far between, compared to what you see on other hotel program forums. And the program is crummy enough that I don't see that changing soon. I still have to send in receipts to get points for >50% of my stays, regardless of emails they send saying it shouldn't be necessary any more. They just haven't been able to master the basics, much less compete with the other major programs in the market. For a chain the size of Accor it is something of a disgrace, IMHO.

I am 100% with you.

(I am only A'Club Gold but I found this is the worst hotel fidelity program. In my opinion an Accor A'Club forum is not necessary.)

I am 100% with you.

(I am only A'Club Gold but I found this is the worst hotel fidelity program. In my opinion an Accor A'Club forum is not necessary.)

I'm somewhat in agreement with you except, I think the actual forum would be good for discussing the different types of Accor hotels around the world, and as most of us know, there are quite a few of them.

Besides, I believe that A-Club will show some improvements/chages over the next few months (or even over the next year or so) as it's still in it's infant stage compared to other chain programs... Yes, A-Club has a lot to learn, but it will eventually get there and who knows, maybe a FT Accor forum might "help" them out ;)

I will add this to maybe help get a A-Club forum going...
Just checked into Ibis Antananarivo Madagascar,
brand new property, opened last month.

Booked online and saved 10 Euro, the desk staff
had no idea what to do with my A-Club number,
but dutifully made a xerox of the card !

Getting a receipt for the 79 Euro rate took 25 minutes.
Front-desk staff looked like deer-in-headlights
when I spoke English.

I pushed the telephone room service button,
and was told there is no room service.
So I went down to the bar and retrieved a bucket of ice,
the only ice I found in two weeks in the country !

But this is a nice property in a city of relative chaos,
and the RJ45 internet connection was pretty good !

As a plus, when I booked a "twin" for myself and sister,
the hotel had no two-bed rooms (yet), so they just gave
us two adjoining one-bed rooms at the same price !

Somehow I feel the A-Club points are not going to post,
so I may have to learn how to request post-stay credit !

I think the time is right. A-Club is launching an renovated program on Sep 9th and I think they must have gotten some feedback from Flyertalk. And a bigger reason is that this is the worlds largest hotel chain and they do have a lot of great hotels.

If we had our own forum, there would be much more discussion I think.

the desk staff had no idea what to do with my a-card number, but dutifully made a xerox of the card !

the front-desk staff are like deer in headlights when I speak English,

I don't believe A-Club means anything at Ibis hotels.

And you really shouldn't expect English in a French speaking country, especially at a low-end hotel.

I would love to see an Accor forum. A-Club covers many brands: Sofitel, Pullman, Mercure, M-Gallery, Novotel, Suite hotel, All Seasons, ibis and Accor Thalassa. I have always found flyertalk lacking when it comes to helpful information concerning the accor program and hotels. We need a place to share the in's and outs of the program, discuss promotions, upgrades, best / worst hotels. I have looked for a French language forum concerning A-Club since Accor is based in France and has a large presence there. To my knowledge there is no such forum. By creating a dedicated forum, flyertalk would be filling a void and would, i suspect, see an increase in posts concerning accor hotels.

I don't believe A-Club means anything at Ibis hotels.

Actually you earn A-Club points at Ibis hotels so they should certainly know what to do with the card.

Would like to add my name to those requesting an Accor A-Club forum. Flyertalk provides an invaluable tool for travel affiliation programs, Accor certainly deserves its place as a loyalty program covering many brands worldwide.

An Accor A-Club forum might also serve as a conduit for useful information to those managing A-Club benefits.

Actually you earn A-Club points at Ibis hotels so they should certainly know what to do with the card.

Here is a cut and paste from the site...

Earn A|Club points only for weekend stays (including friday, saturday and/or sunday night) at ibis hotels in France.

So that would not count for Madagascar, right?

And this is a clear example for why we need an Accor forum. It isn't easy figuring out all the details of these programs.

I think it's a very good idea to create a new forum for Accor. They are one of the biggest hotel group in the world and having a specific forum will stimulate the debate, rather than having threads mixed in a long list of various, unrelated discussions

+1

Here is a cut and paste from the site...

Earn A|Club points only for weekend stays (including friday, saturday and/or sunday night) at ibis hotels in France.

So that would not count for Madagascar, right?

I think (but am not sure) that means that in France, Ibis hotels earn points only on weekends, as opposed to Ibis hotels earn points only in France on weekends. Because the site also says :

Hotels operating under the following hotel brands participate in the Program (with some exceptions): Sofitel, Pullman, MGallery, Novotel, Mercure, Suitehotel, ibis, all seasons and Accor Thalassa.
All ibis hotels in China (except the ibis hotels in Hong Kong) do not participate in the A|Club program.

and

As an A|Club member, earn A|Club points at Sofitel, Pullman, MGallery, Novotel, Mercure, Suitehotel, ibis, all seasons and Accor Thalassa locations worldwide.

But the A-Club website is full of contradictions. Like you say, another reason for its own forum.

Actually you earn A-Club points at Ibis hotels so they should certainly know what to do with the card.

You will also get a better rate nowadays as A/Club card holder ... as a card member I was told (and offered) better rate at the Ibis Nana Bangkok just a few days ago.

I think (but am not sure) that means that in France, Ibis hotels earn points only on weekends, as opposed to Ibis hotels earn points only in France on weekends.

Yeah, I think you are right. Because when I switch to the French version I get this...

Gagnez 1 point A|Club pour 1 euro dépensé dans les hôtels ibis et all seasons.
- Gagnez 2 points A|Club pour 1 euro dépensé dans les instituts Accor Thalassa si vous êtes hébergé(s) dans un hôtel Sofitel, Pullman, MGallery, Novotel ou Mercure.
- Gagnez 1 point A|Club pour 1 euro dépensé dans les instituts Accor Thalassa si vous êtes hébergé(s) chez ibis ou all seasons.
Dans les hôtels ibis en France, seuls les séjours en week-end (séjours incluant au moins la nuit du vendredi, samedi ou dimanche) donnent droit à des points A|Club.

Which makes it pretty clear. If you know French. ;)

+1 for a board.

Which makes it pretty clear. If you know French. ;)

Yes thats much more clear in French. That's not the first time the French website has been more precise concerning the program. Another reason for the forum, so we can cross reference the French website and translate for people :D

And you really shouldn't expect English in a French speaking country, especially at a low-end hotel.Who said I expected anything? :p
Not me, I just enjoyed seeing people shocked at English !
....and not seeing another mericaine the entire trip !

This "low-end" property was the best hotel I stayed at
in 16 days traveling 4400 km around Madagascar,
so it is not like I was some francophobic yankee.

Just got home last night, checked my A-club account,
nothing posted. With my A-club Gold (converted Sofitel) status,
it looks like 1.75 point per Euro, maybe not really worth
chasing down the 280 points for my two Euro 79 nights.......
I see they have an online form I can submit with scan of receipt.

....as I have about 1500 pts now, I may persist to the
2000 point level, which I see can be redeemed for USD 60
voucher as well as Euro 40. Implies $.03 per point.
I also see that 4000 A-Club = 2000 airline miles,
implying A-club points are about a USD penny.

Of course, if I just "joined" again under the current promotion,
I would get 2000 points immediately !

I too have the feeling A-club could mature into a
useful program....and will proceed to the link in post #1.

Whilst I consider A Club to be quite a joke, I would also like to see a dedicated forum for it on FT. It will help us.

To echo Starflyergolds first post; anyone in favor of an Accor forum , please be sure and post your opinion in the dedicated thread in the Talkboard Topics area.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/985311-forum-proposal-accor-club.html

Try to give reasons for the creation of the forum if possible. The more people that express interest makes a stronger case for its creation.

Thanks!

Yup - in favour of an A-club (post trauma) support group. :p

Is there any update on if we're getting an Accor Hotels section or not?

Cherrio :)

....as I have about 1500 pts now, I may persist to the
2000 point level, which I see can be redeemed for USD 60
voucher as well as Euro 40.

OT: You mean can be redeemed for USD 60 OR EUR 40 :D

Fellow FTs might be interested to learn that the question of an Accor forum has come up in the new TalkBoard election campaign.

If you are intending to vote some interesting answers from the candidates (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-elections-09/1012623-question-4-flyertalk-global-frequent-traveller-community.html) :)

how / when do we go about voting? I looked in the talkboard forum and didn't find info. I am probably overlooking the obvious!

Thanks

how / when do we go about voting?

Only Talk Board members can vote, and it would require one of them to put a motion on the table to vote on to begin with. No one seems interested, at least among the current Talk Board members, of creating such a forum.

Only Talk Board members can vote, and it would require one of them to put a motion on the table to vote on to begin with. No one seems interested, at least among the current Talk Board members, of creating such a forum.

I mean vote in the TalkBoard member election, not on an A-Club forum vote.

Well I can answer my own question. Here's where you vote:

http://www.flyertalk.com/talkthevote/

This is what Accor has to say regarding the request for a "lurker" on FT

Hello Thomas (starflyergold),

Following your feedback and votes, we are going to see what Accor can do with this site.

Thank you for your contribution.

Yours sincerely,

The Accorhotels.com team

This is what Accor has to say regarding the request for a "lurker" on FT

Great work starflyergold ^

+1 for a board.

+1 here too. I hated myself when I found out about the EUR 40 Accor Signup promo... once it had expired! :mad:

+1 for board

Any news about that board ?

Whilst I consider A Club to be quite a joke, I would also like to see a dedicated forum for it on FT. It will help us.

It used to be a joke, however it seems recent times have made Accor think a little harder, and at least in UK Mercure hotels I am starting to see something approximating customer service and (shock, amazement) actual awareness of the A*Club programme. I was asked at check-in last week if I was a member; once that was confirmed I was offered a choice of amenity.

Long overdue for it's own board now though. There are a lot of hotels on this programme.

It seems Accor A-club is not popular in rest of world as it does in europe. There is a Accor sub-forum in a new forum europeflier.com, which will focus on the europe hotel and flier programs.

It seems Accor A-club is not popular in rest of world as it does in europe. There is a Accor sub-forum in a new forum europeflier.com, which will focus on the europe hotel and flier programs.
Actually, Accor group is quite well known throughout the world (especially in Asia with Grand Mercures/Ibis/Novotel). I'm in support of this sub-form.^

I also support Accor A-Club sub forums. There are tons of Accor properties in Oz/NZ as well as Asia. It is unfortunate that Talkboard members are not interested at the moment. I guess at the end there are not many Accor properties in the USA.

I think though it would REALLY HELP if Accor help themselves by having all their properties recognising A-Club membership more, as well as improving their membership structures and reward systems (at least make it easy to use like booking on points). Then you will see a flood of interest in FT, given the large number of hotels outside US.

Me I also support Accor A-Club sub forums!!!!

I just want to say thanks to the members here who are proposing an A-Club forum – and those who have gone to effort to answer questions about the programme in this forum. (It's certainly not easy trying to find information when things aren't signposted and the search function isn't up to scratch!)

Hopefully the forum will come along soon, I've put in some support in the TB thread. I've got a few stays coming up, and have some points from a Sofitel stay last year, so I'm slowly becoming a convert. And when a new forum comes online I'll be more than happy to contribute reviews, welcome gifts, elite extras etc . . .

Fingers crossed! :)

I just want to say thanks to the members here who are proposing an A-Club forum – and those who have gone to effort to answer questions about the programme in this forum. (...)

" Accor, the world's second-largest hotel operator in terms of market capitalization after U.S.-based Marriott International Inc. .... " (copied from another thread here) .

I can't understand that we talk already six months about creating an A-Club forum. It should be evident for all Talkboard members that they simply can't ignore the 2nd hotel chain in the world.

But unfortunately the Talkboard seems to be "US centered" only .. Accor isn't an US hotel chain -> no interest.

" Accor, the world's second-largest hotel operator in terms of market capitalization after U.S.-based Marriott International Inc. .... " (copied from another thread here) .

I can't understand that we talk already six months about creating an A-Club forum. It should be evident for all Talkboard members that they simply can't ignore the 2nd hotel chain in the world.

But unfortunately the Talkboard seems to be "US centered" only .. Accor isn't an US hotel chain -> no interest.

Surely the mere fact that we are discussing THIS should be sufficient to establish the board. If it doesn't get used, junk it - for heaven's sake what real admin overhead is it?

Since we have no forum of our own, I have no option but to start using this for discussion of hotels in this chain...

So, I'd like to add I just stayed in the LGW Sofitel, and apart from 2 distinct members of staff on front desk who have some kind of attitude issue (one being allergic to acknowledging the presence of guests, the other having an aversion to questions about wireless Internet), the stay was great and the "Oriental" restaurant was that good that after a superb light lunch there, my wife and I returned the same evening for more of the same - but heavier.

Shame that my dear wife saw fit to leave her glasses in the room when we departed this morning.

I emailed the hotel when we realised this at our destination, and helpfully within the hour had a reply from someone on the front desk who told me that they had located the lost glasses, and very pleasantly asked whether we would like them to keep them for collection later, or would we like them sent on?

Since we were only in Jersey (Channel Islands) and will be here for a week I replied that it would be great if they could send them here.

I was then surprised to get a further "terse" email from the duty manager telling me that was not possible because of postage costs. I replied in turn stating how much I had just spent on the suite we had stayed in and also restaurants on their property for one night, and the fact that I am platinum A*Club and spend quite a bit each year at their various properties, and what a shame it would be if I had to review this and go back to Hilton.

I wait with interest for the next response.

The bottom line is that our opinions don't count. If the TB doesn't want this forum, it won't happen. That they feel they need to invent lame excuses for their inaction is kind of amusing. It kind of reminds one of people who fight against immigration in America.

Stimpy is quiet right. I am still completely puzzled about the TB's inability to move the issue to a vote never mind voting in favour of an A-Club/Accor forum. We have been at this since August of last year and while I thought it was the old board that was reluctant to take decisions before its term was up, the newly elected one is not much better.

I fear the whole issue rests with the low profile of Accor in the US (yes Motel 6 is not exactly my idea of a good hotel but that is not the point) but the fact remains that Accor is the second largest hotel operator in the world with a huge presence in Europe and Asia and good presence in Latin America and growing in Africa but alas none of those arguments seem to matter.

Sometimes I get the feeling we are proposing that the world is round or that evolution is origin of man. Same arcane reaction from the TB.

Atlthough I agree with your opinion, Accor is # 5 and not the second largest hotel operator in the world.

1. IHG (InterContinental Hotels Group) Windsor, England
2. Wyndham Hotel Group Parsippany, N.J. USA
3. Marriott International Washington, D.C. USA
4. Hilton Hotels Corp. Beverly Hills, Calif. USA
5. Accor Paris, France
6. Choice Hotels International Silver Spring, Md. USA
7. Best Western International Phoenix, Ariz. USA
8. Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide White Plains, N.Y. USA
9. Carlson Hotels Worldwide Minneapolis, Minn. USA
10. Global Hyatt Corp. Chicago, Ill. USA

All depends how you and what you count;). I was going by market capitalisation.

In any case Accor is big enough to warrant a forum. ^

What does the above ranking mean? Ranked by revenue? Hotels? Hotel rooms? From what year is this? For what country? I'm pretty sure there are 10 times as many Accor hotels as Wyndam!

I just noticed this 2008 ranking for Euro hotels...

1. Accor with 239 thousand rooms
2. IHG with 82 thousand rooms


See the rest on http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2008_1st/Mar08_EuropeanBrands.html

All depends how you and what you count;). I was going by market capitalisation.

In any case Accor is big enough to warrant a forum. ^

Accor hotels : "More than 4,000 hotels and 500,000 rooms in 90 countries" (quoted from Accor group's website http://www.accor.com/en/hotels.html)

Certainly not #5 for the number of hotels and rooms.

I agree, big enough :rolleyes:

http://www.hotelsmag.com/article/361665-World_s_Largest_Hotel_Companies_Corporate_300_Char t.php

Ah, I think I see what we are missing. Wyndam's website says they are "the world's largest lodging franchisor, encompasses nearly 7,000 hotels representing more than 588,000 rooms in 66 countries on six continents". In other words, Wyndam is only a franchisor.

Whereas I think Accor owns roughly half of its hotels. That's would explain why the market cap is higher.

Ahh the power of statistics, you can twist them to your every need.... :D

" Accor, the world's second-largest hotel operator in terms of market capitalization after U.S.-based Marriott International Inc. .... " (copied from another thread here) .

I can't understand that we talk already six months about creating an A-Club forum. It should be evident for all Talkboard members that they simply can't ignore the 2nd hotel chain in the world.

But unfortunately the Talkboard seems to be "US centered" only .. Accor isn't an US hotel chain -> no interest.

Don't be so sure. Yes we do have a very strong US presense and influence of such. However, I would venture that Europe is our second biggest base. Infact, we have a good amount of moderators that come from Europe (atleast 10% of mods, if not more, are Europe based). Just look in the European airline forums (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/airline-programs-374/)and you will see where a lot of the frequent posters come from.

Talkboard member bhatnasx has made a motion for the creation of an A-Club forum to be put to a vote (Thanks very much!). Now that motion needs to be seconded. At a minimum we will see where the talkboard stands on this topic and hopefully we will see the creation of an Accor forum. Of course, if the motion fails it could be some time before the subject is broached again.

Of course, if the motion fails it could be some time before the subject is broached again.Yep. Precisely my thinking as to why this is premature given the very distinct lack of enthusiasm of TB on this.

Talkboard member bhatnasx has made a motion for the creation of an A-Club forum to be put to a vote (Thanks very much!). Now that motion needs to be seconded. At a minimum we will see where the talkboard stands on this topic and hopefully we will see the creation of an Accor forum. Of course, if the motion fails it could be some time before the subject is broached again.

All we are asking for is honesty and common sense. That can come at any time, from the TB or higher authorities. I see no reason to wait.

I am also in favour of a specific Accor A-Club forum.

Maybe this could help senior staff at ACCOR to see how bad their programm is compared to all the others (if they read Flyertalk...)

On the other hand, always very satisfied with the properties Sofitel, Novotel, Mercure: Nice design, good food, clean.
Often much better than some old Sheraton's or Westin's :D

All we are asking for is honesty and common sense. That can come at any time, from the TB or higher authorities. I see no reason to wait.

Very true, a proposal was made in August and we are owed an answer. The TB is not some aloof murky politburo but here to represent us FTs. As I said over in the TB thread: Time to be counted. :)

I am also in favour of a specific Accor A-Club forum.

Maybe this could help senior staff at ACCOR to see how bad their programm is compared to all the others (if they read Flyertalk...)



Preliminary indications are that Accor have an interest, we shall see how the TB decisions will go and follow up after that.

Yep. Precisely my thinking as to why this is premature given the very distinct lack of enthusiasm of TB on this.

As usual, I am in full agreement with NickB.

As usual, I am in full agreement with NickB.

Is the objective to play a political game to achieve getting this forum created? If so, leave me out of it.

My objective is to state my wishes and opinions, backed sometimes by facts and experiences. Just as I would when discussing Sofitel hotels. Again, if honesty and common sense prevail, all will be well. I'll remain optimistic.

Is the objective to play a political game to achieve getting this forum created? If so, leave me out of it.The objective is to convince a group of individuals that it is a good idea to create the forum. Whether one calls it a "political game" or a "reasoned discussion" or "common sense" changes nothing to the matter.
My objective is to state my wishes and opinions, backed sometimes by facts and experiences. Just as I would when discussing Sofitel hotels. Again, if honesty and common sense prevail, all will be well. I'll remain optimistic.Just because some TB members do not share your point of view does not mean that they are dishonest or lacking common sense. TB has had its fingers burnt in the past with giving new forums the benefit of the doubt only to later find these forums to be failing and it proving impossible to close them. There is, therefore, an understandable cautiousness with regard to the creation of new forums.
If a majority of TB members are ambivalent about the creation of a new forum, it is perhaps not the best of ideas to put them au pied du mur by forcing a vote on the issue, human nature tending to be generally conservative (cf 'dans le doute, abstiens-toi' ;)). Maybe I have read all this wrong and TB will vote in favour but I must confess to being far less optimistic than you.

It is my opinion, otherwise I wouldn't have written it. Maybe I will rephase a bit to say you must have a Flyertalker, international traveler set of common sense to understand the value of an Accor forum. As for honesty, I do think if you understand what we are saying and you still try to prevent this forum from being created, you are behaving dishonestly.

And if you are concerned about asking for a vote now due to the current makeup of the TB, then that is playing politics. If you think it should be created, and the stated policy is to go through the TB, then do exactly that. Why wait? If they are going to refuse, for whatever reason, let them do so.

I second stimpy fully in his opinion.

The decision of creating an Accor forum should be based only on facts.

The facts are, that Accor is one of the biggest hotel chain in the world, with more hotels and rooms than other hotel groups having already an own forum on FT.

Until now, I didn't read a single argument why this forum should not be created. "To be conservative" is not an argument, IMHO.

Maybe I will rephase a bit to say you must have a Flyertalker, international traveler set of common sense to understand the value of an Accor forum. As for honesty, I do think if you understand what we are saying and you still try to prevent this forum from being created, you are behaving dishonestly.I think that you should give your fellow FTers a little bit more credit than that. While I am in favour of an Accor forum, I have some understanding for the reluctance of some. There is a danger when you fervently believe in something that you blind yourself and are unable to see the other's side point of view.

And if you are concerned about asking for a vote now due to the current makeup of the TB, then that is playing politics. If you think it should be created, and the stated policy is to go through the TB, then do exactly that. Why wait? If they are going to refuse, for whatever reason, let them do so.I was not thinking in terms of composition of TB but rather that there is more work to do to convince the existing members of TB. Why wait, you ask? Because I think that time is on our side. There were few threads on Accor until relatively recently. I believe that the number is going to increase. Obviously, some members of TB do not think so. If we wait a little while so that the case becomes stronger, there is more chance of success. Maybe it is a reflection of my age, but I believe in the virtue of patience rather than always seeking for instant gratification.

I second stimpy fully in his opinion.

The decision of creating an Accor forum should be based only on facts.

The facts are, that Accor is one of the biggest hotel chain in the world, with more hotels and rooms than other hotel groups having already an own forum on FT.



Well, I fully agree with the facts. I have been waiting for some time for the facts to convince the TB members to create the Accor forum. One of the answers from TB members has been to submit a proposal to close forums with lesser traffic than Accor, an answer I personally find inadequate, but that is just my opinion.

The decision of creating an Accor forum should be based only on facts.

The facts are, that Accor is one of the biggest hotel chain in the world, with more hotels and rooms than other hotel groups having already an own forum on FT.As I stated in the TB thread, the size argument is a red herring. China Southern carries many more pax than BA. It does not follow from that that there is a bigger case for a China Southern forum than a BA one.
Until now, I didn't read a single argument why this forum should not be created. "To be conservative" is not an argument, IMHO.The nub of the case from the perspective of those who oppose it is fear that there is not enough FT traffic to warrant its own forum and that it could end up like one of those moribund forums that has few active threads. While I do not share those fears, I undertand them. Anyway, this is better discussed in the TB forum than here.

Just a heads up that the motion has been seconded and voting is underway. You may wish to make your views known to TB here (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1043566-voting-underway-create-accor-club-forum.html).

The nub of the case from the perspective of those who oppose it is fear that there is not enough FT traffic to warrant its own forum and that it could end up like one of those moribund forums that has few active threads. While I do not share those fears, I undertand them. Anyway, this is better discussed in the TB forum than here.

Well Accor is not going to disappear any time soon and the A-Club programme is clearly evolving so chances are, and they very good ones, an Accor/A-club forum will grow steadily.

flyertalk is predominantely a "points" and "loyalty" forum. Accor A-club has such a dysfunctional(IMO) loyalty system. It's better to wait for Accor to get their act together before we give Accor a forum. For such a lousy loyalty system, it would be a waste of space and bandwidth for flyertalk to have such a sub forum.

flyertalk is predominantely a "points" and "loyalty" forum. Accor A-club has such a dysfunctional(IMO) loyalty system. It's better to wait for Accor to get their act together before we give Accor a forum. For such a lousy loyalty system, it would be a waste of space and bandwidth for flyertalk to have such a sub forum.

If quality of the programme was a criterion a number of other fora would have to be closed. What is being discussed elsewhere on FT? Largely complaints and problems pertaining to the respective hotel or airline programme. ;)

I think that you should give your fellow FTers a little bit more credit than that. While I am in favour of an Accor forum, I have some understanding for the reluctance of some.

Well there we have a difference of opinion. I hear what they are saying, but I believe it to be disingenuous and at minimum a miscalculation. And I don't think you can validly place a label of instant gratification seekers on us who have waited many months for this.

Well we have reached the final round in the quest for an Accor/A-club forum.

Voting is under way, if you want to pass some messages to the Talk Board, now is the time. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1043566-voting-underway-create-accor-club-forum.html) :)

Good news! The motion passed with 100% vote! We are getting our A-Club forum :-)

Which is of course excellent news :)

I am currently drafting a FAQ for Accor/A-club any suggestions of topics are more than welcome, just pm me. ;)

Excellent news. Looking forward to it.

Well ... I'm very surprised that the motion passed, but more by the fact that it passed with 9 positive votes out of 9 !

Thanks to all people who supported the creation of the forum in the last six months.

And thanks to the Talkboard members for their wise decision ;)

Excellent news. Looking forward to it.

I agree. I think its great to hear from Talkboard is approval. When I can expect to see new forums?

I did read it all wrong. So great news and well done to those who pushed for a TB vote. ^

Excellent news. Looking forward to it.

^ +1

that is good news

What a surprise.....a unanimous vote ??? :D

Thanks Talkboard.
That was Easy !

The forum was just created and I broke it in with the first post! :p

Congrats on the new forum being created. And super FT Congrats to Magic Pickles on being the first to post. :)^