Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - Lowest Amount of HON Miles ever

I am proud to report that I probably have accumulated the lowest amout of HON mile so far in 2009 EVER:

11.242 miles

since beginning of this year even though I am flying every week.

Flying in LH Y class shows how low class the service for HONs really is. No personal word, no special treatment. I probably get more recognition flying BA or AF.

And service is just as bad: The red and blu HON tag on the luggage seems to have no effect on when the luggage is coming out at all (at least in Europe and US). Seatblocking is a myth, well that's a well known fact even LH continues to state differently.

The truth behind pickup at the aircraft: well only if there are not to many RDS and no one to be driven to the plane, so if a car happens to be available.

But hey, what am I complaining about... LH said they have too many HONs, so why would anyone expect immaculat First Class service when they are keen to save money.

I can just warn anyone to go for this service. Come with low expections and be prepared to spend a lot of money for a mediocre service.

Or be desparate to show off.

Jan

I am glad I am SEN based close to a "provincial" airport:



Seat blocking works smooth as silk
11 A/F is always available for me on the 737
SEN lounge is pretty nice
I do not need any car to get to A81 or A71
I do not expect anything in respect of special service from my E class tickets
Whenever I fly F/C I enjoy perfect service.


and close to 200k HON miles: 5.000 from E-Class flights, 195.000 from A/F/O Class flights.

Poor HONs....

I am proud to report that I probably have accumulated the lowest amout of HON mile so far in 2009 EVER:

11.242 miles

since beginning of this year even though I am flying every week.

Flying in LH Y class shows how low class the service for HONs really is. No personal word, no special treatment. I probably get more recognition flying BA or AF.

And service is just as bad: The red and blu HON tag on the luggage seems to have no effect on when the luggage is coming out at all (at least in Europe and US). Seatblocking is a myth, well that's a well known fact even LH continues to state differently.

The truth behind pickup at the aircraft: well only if there are not to many RDS and no one to be driven to the plane, so if a car happens to be available.

But hey, what am I complaining about... LH said they have too many HONs, so why would anyone expect immaculat First Class service when they are keen to save money.

I can just warn anyone to go for this service. Come with low expections and be prepared to spend a lot of money for a mediocre service.

Or be desparate to show off.

Jan

Seems to be time for your monthly rant again ?:confused:

I am proud to report that I probably have accumulated the lowest amout of HON mile so far in 2009 EVER:

11.242 miles


I have to disappoint you. There are thousands, maybe millions, of M&M members who have got less. There are even many that don't even know they have HON miles.

You guys are taking all the fun out of it. I am actually looking forward to become HON. This is the first year I am close. Only 40k miles are missing. The qualifying flight will be LH492 to Vancouver on 30th of July.

A "mine is smaller/shorter/cheaper than yours" thread :eek::D

You guys are taking all the fun out of it. I am actually looking forward to become HON. This is the first year I am close. Only 40k miles are missing. The qualifying flight will be LH492 to Vancouver on 30th of July.

Congratulations! Have fun with it!

What are HON miles? :rolleyes: :D

I am 7 hours from the next HONourable airport anyway.

Jan,
why start a new thread everytime rather than just add your frustration to one of the earlier ones that you have started on the same topic. I think most of us regular posters have grasped that you are a tad disappointed by the HON package. That is absolutely fine - but do respect that others might not be inclined to share your opinion.

Cheers

Thomas

What are HON miles? :rolleyes: :D

I am 7 hours from the next HONourable airport anyway.

So a quick HON mileage run is not an option for you ;)

and close to 200k HON miles: 5.000 from E-Class flights, 195.000 from A/F/O Class flights.

Poor HONs....

How did you get HON miles for O Class?

Buy Business, fly First promo...these tickets were booked in O class with a C/D fare base.

Buy Business, fly First promo...these tickets were booked in O class with a C/D fare base.

Is that promo gone ?

I have IAD-FRA-JNB coming up a few times this year.

Is that promo gone ?

I have IAD-FRA-JNB coming up a few times this year.

What happened to your deal with LH?

Greetings from Brisbane
JNBHEL

0 for this year, 309000 for last year.

Is that promo gone ?

I have IAD-FRA-JNB coming up a few times this year.
No, the "Buy C, Fly First" is still there for the rest of the year. But AFAIK only for the TATL. Not sure about your FRA-JNB leg.

0 for this year, 309000 for last year.

You are half there ;)

Buy Business, fly First promo...these tickets were booked in O class with a C/D fare base.
Booked in C fare (not D), C ticket issued and then upgraded for free to O (given availability). BIZ fare status and award miles (200% plus 25% for status) credited.

Remember also you can get hon miles in "O" by buying C and upgrading to F with miles or evouchers...

What happened to your deal with LH?

Greetings from Brisbane
JNBHEL

Business trips...not private

Remember also you can get hon miles in "O" by buying C and upgrading to F with miles or evouchers...

since when

What are HON miles? :rolleyes: :D

I am 7 hours from the next HONourable airport anyway.
Same for me ... I never checked if I actually do accrue HONte miles :o.

Remember also you can get hon miles in "O" by buying C and upgrading to F with miles or evouchers...
How many HON miles then?

Jan,
why start a new thread everytime rather than just add your frustration to one of the earlier ones that you have started on the same topic. I think most of us regular posters have grasped that you are a tad disappointed by the HON package. That is absolutely fine - but do respect that others might not be inclined to share your opinion..
Not me!

I am glad to see that much higher elites than I am are similarly disappointed by the evolution of good ol'LH. Makes a reasonable counterbalance to the overall apologetic and euphoric nature of the forum.

And I for one find the account of the OP credible and not unnecessarily exaggerated.

And I for one find the account of the OP credible and not unnecessarily exaggerated.

while i agree on some of your view, i cant here.

while the HON service is in no way perfect, i experience it on a very regular basis and i know no other HON who is as "unlucky" as the OP.

in my opinion its greatly exaggerated...

while i agree on some of your view, i cant here.

while the HON service is in no way perfect, i experience it on a very regular basis and i know no other HON who is as "unlucky" as the OP.

in my opinion its greatly exaggerated...
Well, my personal experience in this year is similar to that of the OP: HON service is great until you are actually on board. No personal greeting in either C or Y (intraeuropean). No assistance in case flight irragularities occur whil on board. No seat blocking. Arbritary rebooking of booked seat without information on international flights (no aircraft changes involved).

since when

Since always.

[QUOTE] HON service is great until you are actually on board. This is true No personal greeting in either C or Y (intraeuropean). who caresNo assistance in case flight irragularities occur whil on board. not my experienceNo seat blocking. not my experienceArbritary rebooking of booked seat without information on international flights (no aircraft changes involved).not my experience

who cares

The OP maybe. Seems to be important to some.

The OP maybe. Seems to be important to some.

I'd really like to know if there is an standard operating procedure in place to greet HON pax ? Some crews on shorthaul do it, others don't.

I'd really like to know if there is an standard operating procedure in place to greet HON pax ? Some crews on shorthaul do it, others don't.

I don't think there is- as you have mentioned it really depends on the crew.

I'd really like to know if there is an standard operating procedure in place to greet HON pax ? Some crews on shorthaul do it, others don't.
On LH it always was and still is a hit and miss. On LX it was almost a 100% hit since lately it went to a 100% miss. At least for LX this seems to be more than coincidence...

Then again, who cares.

On LX in F TATL the other week , 2 F pax , the purser came and sat on my ottoman for a few minutes chatting away prior to departure , nice touch , but I can live without it. Also captain came out for a quick handshake .

On LX in F TATL the other week , 2 F pax , the purser came and sat on my ottoman for a few minutes chatting away prior to departure , nice touch , but I can live without it. Also captain came out for a quick handshake .
But this happens to non-HONs as well. If you really want to chat with a FA or the Purser/Maitre du Cabine there is almost always an opportunity. As pointed out by SOG I don't find it to be important if the purser just stops by because he/she thinks you are entitled to or he/she is obliged to. I do like to chat with FAs but only if I have the feeling that they are in the mood to do so.

But this happens to non-HONs as well.

But of course , this can happen to anyone .
Except HON's in Y on European flts according to OP and others.;)

I would prefer not to be chatted to , and would never start a chat. Headphones on .

But of course , this can happen to anyone .
Except HON's in Y on European flts according to OP and others.;)

I would prefer not to be chatted to , and would never start a chat. Headphones on .

I usually chat to the crew after arrival whilst waiting for the door to be opened. (which at some airport takes ages and makes you think if they were even expecting the plane to make it there ...??)

If you really want to chat with a FA or the Purser/Maitre du Cabine there is almost always an opportunity.

But some people want to be given the opportunity.

I usually chat to the crew after arrival whilst waiting for the door to be opened. (which at some airport takes ages and makes you think if they were even expecting the plane to make it there ...??)

Maybe some airports are genuinely surprised to see a LH plane on time. ;)

But some people want to be given the opportunity.
And some people even need help to get into their underwear... :rolleyes:

You guys are taking all the fun out of it. I am actually looking forward to become HON. This is the first year I am close. Only 40k miles are missing. The qualifying flight will be LH492 to Vancouver on 30th of July.

Congratulations... As of now, you should have it..

Congratulations... As of now, you should have it..

july... not june! ;) :D

july... not june! ;) :D

Unfortunately LH is kinda picky with this small minor detail ;)

having just been SENatored last week still learning the ropes. My SEN mile=HON miles which many were onnon m&M *A flights...

having just been SENatored last week still learning the ropes. My SEN mile=HON miles which many were onnon m&M *A flights...

HON Circle miles are status miles from full integrated M&M airlines (as they call it). So LH, OS, LX and some others.

HON Circle miles are status miles from full integrated M&M airlines (as they call it). So LH, OS, LX and some others.

So why am I showing all my status miles as HON miles?

having just been SENatored last week still learning the ropes. My SEN mile=HON miles which many were onnon m&M *A flights...

So why am I showing all my status miles as HON miles?
So you just got SEN status (i.e. stepped over 100K status miles this year and got less than 100K status miles last year) and the system already shows HON miles. I thought, this display is only switched on afer reaching 300K HON miles? :confused:

Maybe the system doesn't care about HON miles until reaching SEN status and only then activates the right differentiation in counting.

I thought, this display is only switched on afer reaching 300K HON miles? :confused:

Maybe the system doesn't care about HON miles until reaching SEN status and only then activates the right differentiation in counting.

I thought the same. But since quite a while already I can see my HON miles on my profile and they are (unfortunately) way below the above mentionned threshold of 300k.

I thought the same. But since quite a while already I can see my HON miles on my profile and they are (unfortunately) way below the above mentionned threshold of 300k.

Initially I thought it was a glitch with LH IT since it only showed on lufthansa.com, but they never bothered fixing it. So maybe it was on purpose.

The real problem is that even if the system shows 300k HON Circle miles, you still have to fly another 300k to actually become one.

The real problem is that even if the system shows 300k HON Circle miles, you still have to fly another 300k to actually become one.

whats the problem there?! :p :D

whats the problem there?! :p :D

At least another 6 month of flying. At least with my current flight patterns :D

At least another 6 month of flying. At least with my current flight patterns :D

If flying is a problem, why become HON in the first place?:)

If flying is a problem, why become HON in the first place?:)

I was not really planning on it, but if you reach around 450-500k then you can just go for it anyway :D

I was not really planning on it, but if you reach around 450-500k then you can just go for it anyway :D
Per multiple reports of smart guy Hombre ("The Voice of the HONs") there is no value being a HON anymore:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/970279-any-recognition-hon-status-european-y.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/967896-lowest-amount-hon-miles-ever.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/950390-hon-real.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/937055-very-unhappy-hon-thread.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/810836-hon-minor-musings.html#post11500029

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/919364-hon-perks-getting-more-more-diluted-abandon-2.html#post11499167

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/933689-does-hon-circle-still-exsist.html#post11440929

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/879808-what-hon-worth-you-2.html#post10597936

So, DON'T GO FOR IT. You will regret it. :p

How did you get HON miles for O Class?

just got 312 HON miles for my VIE-ARN return trip (125+31)*2 in O class, with O being the cheapest booking class on OS :D

Per multiple reports of smart guy Hombre ("The Voice of the HONs") there is no value being a HON anymore:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/970279-any-recognition-hon-status-european-y.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/967896-lowest-amount-hon-miles-ever.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/950390-hon-real.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/937055-very-unhappy-hon-thread.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/810836-hon-minor-musings.html#post11500029

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/919364-hon-perks-getting-more-more-diluted-abandon-2.html#post11499167

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/933689-does-hon-circle-still-exsist.html#post11440929

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/879808-what-hon-worth-you-2.html#post10597936

So, DON'T GO FOR IT. You will regret it. :p

:D:D:D

I'd really like to know if there is an standard operating procedure in place to greet HON pax ? Some crews on shorthaul do it, others don't.

I don`t think so, but flying more eco (innereuropean and innergerman) the last months
I noticed since about begin of the year when fliying eco



that I have been greeted more often than in C before (happened nearly never before)
that I sometimes was asked whether I want a magazine
that I was offered chocolate when leaving the plane
sometimes even was told that I may sit in business if I want (no official OP UP)


Altogether my experience this year and so far: Quite the opposite of the OP.


Talenti

Per multiple reports of smart guy Hombre ("The Voice of the HONs") there is no value being a HON anymore..
Semantics is a dangerous animal.

As from elementary logics A->B follows not B -> not A, the 'inconvenient' deduction here would be smart -> "bashes LH" induces "apologises LH"-> ..... oh well.

Jan,
why start a new thread everytime rather than just add your frustration to one of the earlier ones that you have started on the same topic. I think most of us regular posters have grasped that you are a tad disappointed by the HON package. That is absolutely fine - but do respect that others might not be inclined to share your opinion.

Cheers

Thomas

Hi Thomas,

you are right. But then - why shouldn't I write?

I won't let people like Weero or Rambuster let me tell what to write and what not.

So if you (and others) see my name, skip reading the post...

Simple

Jan

Per multiple reports of smart guy Hombre ("The Voice of the HONs") there is no value being a HON anymore:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/970279-any-recognition-hon-status-european-y.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/967896-lowest-amount-hon-miles-ever.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/950390-hon-real.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/937055-very-unhappy-hon-thread.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/810836-hon-minor-musings.html#post11500029

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/919364-hon-perks-getting-more-more-diluted-abandon-2.html#post11499167

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/933689-does-hon-circle-still-exsist.html#post11440929

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/879808-what-hon-worth-you-2.html#post10597936

So, DON'T GO FOR IT. You will regret it. :p

^ Thanks for summarizing. You seem to have ample time...

Hi Thomas,

you are right. But then - why shouldn't I write?

I won't let people like Weero or Rambuster let me tell what to write and what not.

So if you (and others) see my name, skip reading the post...

Simple

Jan

Glad to have you back ! ^

Glad to have you back ! ^

Do you have a life besides flyertalk?

Now that LH has acquired virtually every airline currently for sale, maybe they can acquire the M and M forum on FT and put in new thresholds:

600,000 posts every two years = HON Status

Benefit - A LH staff member to turn on and off the HON's laptop and provide wrist massages

100,000 posts per year (status for two years) = SEN Status

Towlettes to wipe the keyboard and screen of the SEN's computer

35,000 posts per year = Frequent Traveler Status

E mail updates about improvements at FRA :D

No more FT Evangelists, etc.

^ Thanks for summarizing. You seem to have ample time...
Very welcome. :cool:

The search function was my friend. @:-) :o

..I won't let people like Weero or Rambuster let me tell what to write and what not..
Beg you pardon :confused:?

I was criticizing SleepOverGreenland's somewhat too aggressive statement, not yours.

Please read the sequence again and then admit that I had no wrong in it!

Please read the sequence again and then admit that I had no wrong in it!
But remember, you're not supposed to tell him "what to write and what not"! :p

I was criticizing SleepOverGreenland's somewhat too aggressive statement, not yours.

:confused:

I NEVER had any AGRESSIVE statement in this forum!

:D

But remember, you're not supposed to tell him "what to write and what not"! :p

he is only telling him "what to read and what not" :D

:confused:

I NEVER had any AGRESSIVE statement in this forum!

:D
No false modesty here ;) :
Per multiple reports of smart guy Hombre ("The Voice of the HONs")...
And I did not qualify it as an aggression just as somewhat aggressive :o.

But remember, you're not supposed to tell him "what to write and what not"! :p
'admitting' can include much more humiliating forms than merely writing it ... I am open to new varieties here.

OT: how comes weero has more than 10k posts but is not listed as a FT Evangelist?

Don't we love the subtleties of the English language! Keep this very amusing discussion going, please.

Back on topic, I think that service is somewhat erratic in the air...a couple times not even at the fault of the cabin crew as the status was not reflected on the manifest. Still good flights though. I think every individual should be treated with decent respect and courtesy.

:confused:

I NEVER had any AGRESSIVE statement in this forum!

:D

Still, maybe a couple of aggressive ones, (every now and) then? :p

Still, maybe a couple of aggressive ones, (every now and) then? :p
:D

I seriously contemplated joking that he never said not to be 'aggressive' but then I feared that would trigger some further agressive behaviour :p ....

Still, maybe a couple of aggressive ones, (every now and) then? :p
^ :D

:D

I seriously contemplated joking that he never said not to be 'aggressive' but then I feared that would trigger some further agressive behaviour :p ....
I'm happy to see, that even the master of English language misses a character once in a while. :p

I just wanted to post a reminder to stay on topic and suddenly realised that it isn't easy to identify the topic of this thread (low HON miles---type of mine is shorter thread---, complaints about HON service or simply a chat about the english language and posting stlyes to name a few.).

Anyway most of the posts here don't add any value to the HON perks discussion which seems to be the core topic. Hence I'd like to ask you to either discuss HON issues or switch to the M&M lounge thread for some personal conversation (I'd join for the latter one :)).

I leave this thread open for now but will close it if the discussion stays off topic.

Take care!

totti
M&M moderator

Yes you are right totti ... but the OP and hence the one who sets the 'topic' triggered the confusion himself by attacking - or more precisely defending himself in an unwarranted manner against - me and Rambuster for statements never made.

I for one do not even disagree with the OP's view on the program deterioration, even though I find that the SEN level did suffer more.
:D

I seriously contemplated joking that he never said not to be 'aggressive' but then I feared that would trigger some further agressive behaviour :p ....
I'm happy to see, that even the master of English language misses a character once in a while. :p
:D

You did realize that this was a willing and immediate allusion to your carefully prepared escape route:
..I NEVER had any AGRESSIVE statement in this forum!..
which would always allow you the fallback by saying "I never claimed not to be aggressive, all I said is that did make any agressive statements here"....

Yes you are right totti ... but the OP and hence the one who sets the 'topic' triggered the confusion himself by attacking - or more precisely defending himself in an unwarranted manner against - me and Rambuster for statements never made.

Sure and this explains the confusion on my side. :o