Asiana Club - Asiana 777 - Bus & First?

Hi
I'm an aeroplan member and using my points to fly from ORD to ICN. I booked a first class ticket but I'm not sure that the aircraft has first class. The flight number is OZ235 and the aircraft is 777. This is my first time to use Asiana so not sure of the setup.
Does anyone know if this flight has first class as opposed to just Business?
Thanks

Hi
I'm an aeroplan member and using my points to fly from ORD to ICN. I booked a first class ticket but I'm not sure that the aircraft has first class. The flight number is OZ235 and the aircraft is 777. This is my first time to use Asiana so not sure of the setup.
Does anyone know if this flight has first class as opposed to just Business?
Thanks

Of course it does, OZ use the only 3 class 777 they have to fly ICN-ORD-ICN.
It is also listed in OZ timetable this flight as F,C,Y.

Thanks for clarification. On their website their 777 is listed as business and economy only.

Thanks for clarification. On their website their 777 is listed as business and economy only.

Because they only have 1 777 that is 3 class, so that they don't want to confuse other people with the rest of them are 2 class. This particular 777 serves exclusively ORD only, occasionally short hops to HKG or MNL.

ORD/JFK/LAX are always 3 class cities from the beginning. Before the 3 class 777 came last December, it was 74M.

Huge relief....thanks!

Of course it does, OZ use the only 3 class 777 they have to fly ICN-ORD-ICN.
It is also listed in OZ timetable this flight as F,C,Y.

Just out of curiosity, why does OZ only furnish 1 of its B777s with 3-class seatings? If OZ doesn't see the need for F, why bother with 1 aircraft. Are there plans to add F to the remaining B777s in the fleet? BTW, the B747s are done with refurbishing, right?

LAX

Just out of curiosity, why does OZ only furnish 1 of its B777s with 3-class seatings? If OZ doesn't see the need for F, why bother with 1 aircraft. Are there plans to add F to the remaining B777s in the fleet? BTW, the B747s are done with refurbishing, right?

LAX

They didn't furnish an old 2 class 777 into 3 class. That is the newest 777 delivered to OZ that come with 3 class arrived end of Nov, 08. I think bobbybrown had mentioned before from now on, any new 777 delivered to OZ will be 3 class. Also any 777 comes are going to replace 747, ORD-ICN used to be running 74M.

And no, there are no plans to add F to the remaining of the 777, as it is costly (other than removing C seats, they need to add a bathroom for F, as 2 class 777 does not have bathroom in the front), if they are going to do it, they would have done it long time ago. You can see they even save the cost when they change the old 2 class 777 C seat into the new C seat without AVOD.

The 2 744 and 2 74M are done with refurbishing long time ago with the exception of HL7417. They need the plane as spare, no time to go in for the shop, not even for new paint.

One more question ORDnHkG - what is the seat configuration in first?

1-2-1

Windows are 1A, 1K, 2A, and 2K. 1A or 1K may possibly be blocked by relief captain and FO for the outbound, inbound basically you can only choose row 2, as the 4 seats at row 1 are for relief pilot, FO, and deadhead pilot, FO.

2A and 2K are better seats as you can put your personal stuff at the space between the seat and the window, and wouldn't need to worry if your stuff move behind as there is a wall.

F in this 777 has basically no storage compartment in the seats at all except overhead bins. You may store small stuff under the so called "visitor seat", little seat to use when your seat go to full flat position. But that little space usually FA use to store to duvet.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-reports/922134-asiana-oz-f-ord-hkg-twist-intra-asia-ua-f-nh-c-lots-pics.html

...inbound basically you can only choose row 2, as the 4 seats at row 1 are for relief pilot, FO, and deadhead pilot, FO.


Wow... that's cutting F availability by 1/2 even before any reward tickets or possible upgrades?

Wow... that's cutting F availability by 1/2 even before any reward tickets or possible upgrades?

I don't have a problem getting F award with OZ on this route, but remember there is only 1 3-class 777, therefore they can only fly 3 times a week to ORD, you have to be flexible from the beginning for dates, many times you end up with no award seats available for connecting flights, my flight arrive ICN from ORD on a date with OZ is a blackout date for awards.

As for upgrades, not sure what you are talking about. I don't think OZ has offer any upgrade from C to F, as most of the times there are only 1 or 2 pax on board in F, my return flight ICN-ORD I was the only "pax" in F, while C and Y 100% full. They probably follow the same rule with SQ and NH, no such thing for upgrade to F, they would rather leave F empty as it is.

I have asked the F purser, OZ have this rule about pilots sit in F, FO usually sit in C, (although I have seen FO sit in F too, who likes to sleep at an angle rather than horizontal flat ?) and FA sit in Y.

Because they only have 1 777 that is 3 class, so that they don't want to confuse other people with the rest of them are 2 class. This particular 777 serves exclusively ORD only, occasionally short hops to HKG or MNL.

I am booked using miles on F from JFK-ICN and C from ICN-MNL for there is no F class service. You mentioned that this particular 777 ac does occasional short hops to MNL. Will I be seated in F when I happen to be on this plane or should I call UA to change the class of booking before the day of departure? I just don't understand why OZ is not being clear for this ac seat config.

Will I be seated in F when I happen to be on this plane or should I call UA to change the class of booking before the day of departure? I just don't understand why OZ is not being clear for this ac seat config.

If your booking code is I (*A C award code) on that segment, even if the plane change to a 3 class, you will still be seated in C. You have to call UA to change to O (*A F award code). OZ is very strict about what code they see on your ticket.

1-2-1

Windows are 1A, 1K, 2A, and 2K. 1A or 1K may possibly be blocked by relief captain and FO for the outbound, inbound basically you can only choose row 2, as the 4 seats at row 1 are for relief pilot, FO, and deadhead pilot, FO.

2A and 2K are better seats as you can put your personal stuff at the space between the seat and the window, and wouldn't need to worry if your stuff move behind as there is a wall.

F in this 777 has basically no storage compartment in the seats at all except overhead bins. You may store small stuff under the so called "visitor seat", little seat to use when your seat go to full flat position. But that little space usually FA use to store to duvet.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-reports/922134-asiana-oz-f-ord-hkg-twist-intra-asia-ua-f-nh-c-lots-pics.html

Why put a deadheading pilot and FO in First? I mean, they are still going to get a rest period before flying back. That's significant revenue potential that is being lost.

Why put a deadheading pilot and FO in First? I mean, they are still going to get a rest period before flying back. That's significant revenue potential that is being lost.

So that they can save the cost of sending those crews two days ahead, which means two nights in hotels in ORD for 2 captain, and 2 FO. They also probably figure they are not going to get more than 4 paid F or award F pax. Since those seats are going to fly empty anyway, why not put the deadhead pilots over there ?

Somehow maybe also there is something to do about the design of OZ 3 class 777, maybe they don't have enough crew rest seats. One thing I am sure is on UA and NH's 777, when you enter thru door 1L, there is a bathroom right by the door on the left. In this 777, it is actually a crew rest seat, they actually have to put a bathroom right in front of the middle aisle seats instead.

If your booking code is I (*A C award code) on that segment, even if the plane change to a 3 class, you will still be seated in C. You have to call UA to change to O (*A F award code). OZ is very strict about what code they see on your ticket.

It is not possible for UA to change the I to O booking code on OZ flight since there is no O inventory available.

It is not possible for UA to change the I to O booking code on OZ flight since there is no O inventory available.

For now it is not possible because it is 2 class, when it change to a 3 class, then call and ask if O class by that time open up for award or not. I mean is you reserve 1A or 2A, or 1K, or 2K on the 2 class, if it changed to a 3 class, see if your seats still hold.

1-2-1

Windows are 1A, 1K, 2A, and 2K. 1A or 1K may possibly be blocked by relief captain and FO for the outbound, inbound basically you can only choose row 2, as the 4 seats at row 1 are for relief pilot, FO, and deadhead pilot, FO.

2A and 2K are better seats as you can put your personal stuff at the space between the seat and the window, and wouldn't need to worry if your stuff move behind as there is a wall.

F in this 777 has basically no storage compartment in the seats at all except overhead bins. You may store small stuff under the so called "visitor seat", little seat to use when your seat go to full flat position. But that little space usually FA use to store to duvet.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-reports/922134-asiana-oz-f-ord-hkg-twist-intra-asia-ua-f-nh-c-lots-pics.html


Thats odd - we were assigned seats 1G and 1K

Thats odd - we were assigned seats 1G and 1K

Then the relieve pilot take 1A or 1D.

Not sure why you choose aisle and window, if you are travelling together, why not have 1D, 1G, or 2D, 2G ?

For now it is not possible because it is 2 class, when it change to a 3 class, then call and ask if O class by that time open up for award or not. I mean is you reserve 1A or 2A, or 1K, or 2K on the 2 class, if it changed to a 3 class, see if your seats still hold.

It's a good point to seat yourself on the 1st 2 rows in case of equipment change and hoping the seat will stay the same. However, how close to the departure date does OZ change equipment?

What do you mean by no upgrade from c to f? Do you mean that only in ORD-ICN route? I have gotten c to f upgrad from ICN to LAX several month ago. I inquired about it at the time of check in and had no problem. There were total of 3 passenger incl. myself.





As for upgrades, not sure what you are talking about. I don't think OZ has offer any upgrade from C to F, as most of the times there are only 1 or 2 pax on board in F, my return flight ICN-ORD I was the only "pax" in F, while C and Y 100% full. They probably follow the same rule with SQ and NH, no such thing for upgrade to F, they would rather leave F empty as it is.
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What do you mean by no upgrade from c to f? Do you mean that only in ORD-ICN route? I have gotten c to f upgrad from ICN to LAX several month ago. I inquired about it at the time of check in and had no problem. There were total of 3 passenger incl. myself.

Upgrade from C to F as award C ? award F ? full fare C ? OZ Diamond ? Diamond + ? Or is it an op up situation you are not aware of being Y is overbooked ?

So how come I couldn't even upgrade from C to F on HKG-ICN being told F is open and I am *G ?

Was yours C award? Mind was a purchased C class. Not sure if it was a full fare or not. It might have been but regardless, it was a paid C. I was and still am lowly OZ gold.





Upgrade from C to F as award C ? award F ? full fare C ? OZ Diamond ? Diamond + ? Or is it an op up situation you are not aware of being Y is overbooked ?

So how come I couldn't even upgrade from C to F on HKG-ICN being told F is open and I am *G ?

Was yours C award? Mind was a purchased C class. Not sure if it was a full fare or not. It might have been but regardless, it was a paid C. I was and still am lowly OZ gold.

No I was not, it was F award. Booked in C when no F available, then F open up, still wouldn't be able to move up to F.

You got the upgrade because you are OZ*G plus paid C, but I doubt it happen often at all especially on long haul. If it is that simple, F would be pack all the times, but in reality is not true. You can ask to see in this forum how many OZ*G has successful been able to sit in F for free.

It is the same thing for NH when they sell as 2 class on the 77W, only NH*G plus paid C would get to sit in F. So don't mislead other FTers that you can buy a C ticket, then ask at the check in and get to sit in F for free, as this is not a common practice.

Hold up. I never said it was FREE. I did pay 30K miles for it.
I interpreted your previous post as upgrading from C - F WITH THE MILES was impossible. It may have been a miscommunication. Regardless I did not specify that, so yes, the upgrade from C to F WITH miles at the ticket counter at the time of check in and had no problems.



You can ask to see in this forum how many OZ*G has successful been able to sit in F for free.


As for upgrades, not sure what you are talking about. I don't think OZ has offer any upgrade from C to F, as most of the times there are only 1 or 2 pax on board in F, my return flight ICN-ORD I was the only "pax" in F, while C and Y 100% full. They probably follow the same rule with SQ and NH, no such thing for upgrade to F, they would rather leave F empty as it is.

Hold up. I never said it was FREE. I did pay 30K miles for it.
I interpreted your previous post as upgrading from C - F WITH THE MILES was impossible. It may have been a miscommunication. Regardless I did not specify that, so yes, the upgrade from C to F WITH miles at the ticket counter at the time of check in and had no problems.

ok I guess I had also misunderstand from the beginning.

Then the relieve pilot take 1A or 1D.

Not sure why you choose aisle and window, if you are travelling together, why not have 1D, 1G, or 2D, 2G ?


Spoke to Asiana and they confirmed that the plane seating is 2-2 in Executive First.

Spoke to Asiana and they confirmed that the plane seating is 2-2 in Executive First.

There is only one aircraft have 2+2 in F, the old 74M, enjoy the F seat that is 15+ years old from the early to mid 90s.

Btw, are you sure you are flying OZ ? Or actually it is codeshare ? There is no such thing called Executive First with OZ.
OZ only have First, Business, and Travel class.

is it that bad? its still a flat bed right?
checked my itinerary again its listed as 'first'.

I don't know if the agent is wrong about F is 2-2, or is it somehow the old 74M back on ORD-ICN, as it should still be the 3 class 777 with 1-2-1 sitting in F.

But yes, it is very bad on the old 74M, basically everyone try to avoid as much as they can. Non-existant IFE, small screen with 4 movies run in a loop, poor quality as it is rather blurry, some PTV in some seats may not work at all. However, the seats does go 180 degrees flat, but it only have two buttons to control the seat, one for the legrest to rise, and the other button for the recline, the seat cushion is fixed position, it wouldn't go forward or backward when it recline. There is a metal bar serve as foot rest, it makes very uncomfortable for your feet if you are a tall person. If you are seated at the window with a seatmate, very hard to climb out when the other person leg rest all the way up. No lumbar support or lower back circulation either, as back then in the early 90s doesn't have the technology. If you can sleep for 9, 10 hours solid inflight then it is fine, (ORD-ICN westbound is 14 hours) if not, you better prepair for your own entertainment before you board. Flying in this seat for long haul make me so appreciate UA old F seat.

Btw, what date is it ? Does your itnerary said it is 747 ?

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss280/ORDnHKG/P1010447.jpg

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss280/ORDnHKG/P1010448.jpg

And no, there are no plans to add F to the remaining of the 777, as it is costly (other than removing C seats, they need to add a bathroom for F, as 2 class 777 does not have bathroom in the front), if they are going to do it, they would have done it long time ago. You can see they even save the cost when they change the old 2 class 777 C seat into the new C seat without AVOD.Does the business cabin on the 777 even have it's own bathroom? It doesn't look like it from the seat plan.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Asiana/Asiana_Boeing_777-200.php

Does the business cabin on the 777 even have it's own bathroom? It doesn't look like it from the seat plan.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Asiana/Asiana_Boeing_777-200.php

Isn't there 4 bathrooms by door 2 ? Y does not need to use 10 bathrooms consider there are only 274 pax in Y

As they are in the galley I was wondering if there was a curtain seperating them or whether passengers from Y use them as well?

As they are in the galley I was wondering if there was a curtain seperating them or whether passengers from Y use them as well?

no, no bathroom. There's a wc on both sides of the plane for C, but no bath.

no, no bathroom. There's a wc on both sides of the plane for C, but no bath.

It is not necessary to have a tub or shower in order to call a bathroom.

bathroom = wc = men's/ladies' room (on airplane, it is actually called lavatory if you pay attention to the sign on board)

We all know that there is no plane has tub or shower unless it is EK's 380.:D

As they are in the galley I was wondering if there was a curtain seperating them or whether passengers from Y use them as well?

Of course there is a curtain separate from the cabin to the galley. You would definately see a difference between Y and C bathrooms.

Of course there is a curtain separate from the cabin to the galley. You would definately see a difference between Y and C bathrooms.

IIRC C bathroom has some extra amenities which Y doesn't have.

Thank you ORDnHKG for your unique perspective regarding OZ.