Cathay Pacific Asia Miles - Crap, my company booked me on China Eastern instead

Those crappers, to save a few bucks they booked me on China Eastern instead of American Airline.

I know China Eastern is on Asia Miles, but not a One World member. So does that mean the miles I get will only be Asia Miles and not Club miles? Damn.

Those crappers, to save a few bucks they booked me on China Eastern instead of American Airline.

I know China Eastern is on Asia Miles, but not a One World member. So does that mean the miles I get will only be Asia Miles and not Club miles? Damn.

Affirmative

Those crappers, to save a few bucks they booked me on China Eastern instead of American Airline.

I know China Eastern is on Asia Miles, but not a One World member. So does that mean the miles I get will only be Asia Miles and not Club miles? Damn.

Oh dear..........

Why dont you upgrade yourself :P

Oh dear..........

Why dont you upgrade yourself :P

I second on that, why don't you ask the company you will pay that few extra bucks to get boosted to CX?

Thats why i do most of the time when company only books S or anything below mile accruing tickets for HKG-TPE flights..

I second on that, why don't you ask the company you will pay that few extra bucks to get boosted to CX?

Because my company is one of those dinosaurs that does everything "by the book", I can't even put in my money even if I wanted it. Because they have a set "procedure" and "rules" that they have to follow.

To add insult to injury, they only save $100 between crappy China Eastern vs. Cathay Pacific. I'm upset....

Because my company is one of those dinosaurs that does everything "by the book", I can't even put in my money even if I wanted it. Because they have a set "procedure" and "rules" that they have to follow.

To add insult to injury, they only save $100 between crappy China Eastern vs. Cathay Pacific. I'm upset....

You might have to change your name to China Eastern Boy

You might have to change your name to China Eastern Boy

My last experience with a Chinese Mainland airline.....*shivers*.

Because my company is one of those dinosaurs that does everything "by the book", I can't even put in my money even if I wanted it. Because they have a set "procedure" and "rules" that they have to follow.

To add insult to injury, they only save $100 between crappy China Eastern vs. Cathay Pacific. I'm upset....

Sorry to hear that. I can feel the pain.

My company has the CHEAPEST AIRFARE policy as well but if the difference is little (i.e. $300 for international?), and/or with VP approval, they do allow to bend the rules a little bit. Maybe you can check w/ company travel?

Because my company is one of those dinosaurs that does everything "by the book", I can't even put in my money even if I wanted it. Because they have a set "procedure" and "rules" that they have to follow.

To add insult to injury, they only save $100 between crappy China Eastern vs. Cathay Pacific. I'm upset....

What route are you flying ?
If its short then its ok but long = upset for you

Some hard earned Asia Miles onto your account anyway. ;)

What route are you flying ?
If its short then its ok but long = upset for you

LONG. JFK-PVG-ChengDu (whatever their airport code is), and back.

I'm going to go cry now.

LONG. JFK-PVG-ChengDu (whatever their airport code is), and back.

I'm going to go cry now.

yikes...i would suggest two ativan shortly after you eat and you should be good....sucks on the points though...

LONG. JFK-PVG-ChengDu (whatever their airport code is), and back.

I'm going to go cry now.

Dont worry, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger!
you have to prepare for taking CA, or even better, i dunno... VN

Dont worry, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger!
you have to prepare for taking CA, or even better, i dunno... VN

CA is a lot better than MU in my opinion...

LONG. JFK-PVG-ChengDu (whatever their airport code is), and back.

I'm going to go cry now.

Have you checked JFK-HKG-CTU pricing? HKG-CTU on KA is add-on to JFK-HKG on CX and is normally very inexpensive.

Good Luck China Eastern Boy!

Listen not to scare you in any way - maybe you can use this as ammo to convince your company to change you to a proper airline (claiming you are too scared to fly them):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu3zNFNbRxI

http://shanghaiist.com/2007/09/01/what_goes_on_between_air_china_pilots_and_control_ towers_around_the_world.php

Check out the above sites... & good luck...

Good Luck China Eastern Boy!

Listen not to scare you in any way - maybe you can use this as ammo to convince your company to change you to a proper airline (claiming you are too scared to fly them):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu3zNFNbRxI

http://shanghaiist.com/2007/09/01/what_goes_on_between_air_china_pilots_and_control_ towers_around_the_world.php

Check out the above sites... & good luck...

The counter argument is that US airlines would have a similar problem landing in China.

Good Luck China Eastern Boy!

Listen not to scare you in any way - maybe you can use this as ammo to convince your company to change you to a proper airline (claiming you are too scared to fly them):

Check out the above sites... & good luck...

Actually one more to warn your company is about the 3 days delay ex-USA due to MU's plane faulty mechanics

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=UJL&ei=LXI6Spm3FNKHkQWs5vGfDQ&resnum=0&q=china+eastern+3+days+delay&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

The counter argument is that US airlines would have a similar problem landing in China.

Dont even remind me of communicating with the Chinese (mainland) crew... that is before coming out of the cockpit soaked in tobacco smoke. (YES. they smoke in the bloody cockpit!)

Dont even remind me of communicating with the Chinese (mainland) crew... that is before coming out of the cockpit soaked in tobacco smoke. (YES. they smoke in the bloody cockpit!)

Wow , this makes me even more dont feel like flying with them haha

Wow , this makes me even more dont feel like flying with them haha

Sorry I asked. Before I am just pissed I'm not flying AA codeshare via CX. Now I'm fearing for my freaking life.

Thanks guys

Sorry I asked. Before I am just pissed I'm not flying AA codeshare via CX. Now I'm fearing for my freaking life.

Thanks guys....i wonder whether a simple buy american arguement could work to have your original tix cancelled and issued on AA....depends if your company is a US based on or not...i am sure higher ups might be pissed if they are a US based one....just a thought.

LONG. JFK-PVG-ChengDu (whatever their airport code is), and back.

I'm going to go cry now.

Sorry I asked. Before I am just pissed I'm not flying AA codeshare via CX. Now I'm fearing for my freaking life.

Thanks guys

So did you price JFK-HKG-CTU? It may take care of your problems.

So did you price JFK-HKG-CTU? It may take care of your problems.

I did, $100 over, I offered to pay the company $200, but was turned down because "too much paperwork" involve... ..., damn corporate red tape.

Don't switch airline, switch employer! :D

Don't switch airline, switch employer! :D

seriously!

we praise our employees for taking such initiative

Good luck. I am in a small company. We've started in beginning of this year to challenge the company secretaries. What this is that if you find a lower rate on any of the bookings made through the company, company compensates 30% of what they've saved by cash to them. (Some tried to sleep at friend's house; this didn't work) But apparently, we are seeing a big cut down on travel expenses. I guess this is only possible in small, flexible companies though.

I did, $100 over, I offered to pay the company $200, but was turned down because "too much paperwork" involve... ..., damn corporate red tape.

i offer my condolences...

The counter argument is that US airlines would have a similar problem landing in China.

I thought of that but i'm trying to help the guy out here!!

Are you traveling in Y? I know MU isn't the greatest, but if it's Y I might say that the marginal difference isn't as huge. Also, not sure what your CTU connection is but I suspect you save a bit of time going through PVG instead.

I did, $100 over, I offered to pay the company $200, but was turned down because "too much paperwork" involve... ..., damn corporate red tape.

i still think that if you work for an American company, you should tell them you are upset that they have not bought american...whether you agree with this or not...could get the persons that purchase the tix in some hot water from merely an optic perspective....

Are you traveling in Y? I know MU isn't the greatest, but if it's Y I might say that the marginal difference isn't as huge. Also, not sure what your CTU connection is but I suspect you save a bit of time going through PVG instead.

I disagree on the first part you say, MU has no PTV/AVOD onboard their flights whatsoever. The food is bad/close to inedible and service is okay, their flight attendants can hardly understand English. That is what I've gone through in a long range YVR-PVG trip. You simply cannot compare MU to CX in any way.

i still think that if you work for an American company, you should tell them you are upset that they have not bought american...whether you agree with this or not...could get the persons that purchase the tix in some hot water from merely an optic perspective....

Please... I don't think that would work at all. In fact, in my company that would be a completely ridiculous argument and would likely get you put in the very back seat on the plane, near the toilets and staying at a Motel 6 where ever you are going.

That is an argument that only likely would work with a few "small minded" folks.

Regards

Are you traveling in Y? I know MU isn't the greatest, but if it's Y I might say that the marginal difference isn't as huge. Also, not sure what your CTU connection is but I suspect you save a bit of time going through PVG instead.

CX >> MU

In every class.

In every way.

No contest.

I fly CX/KA most of the time, but I also fly both domestic and international MU occasionally. CX and KA are far better than MU.

There are few more flights between PVG and CTU on MU. It is much easier to find a connection on MU. However, if you encounter problems (delays etc.), CX/KA services are far superior. MU is not as accommodating.

stop it people just stop! You're depressing me to death....

Please... I don't think that would work at all. In fact, in my company that would be a completely ridiculous argument and would likely get you put in the very back seat on the plane, near the toilets and staying at a Motel 6 where ever you are going.

That is an argument that only likely would work with a few "small minded" folks.

Regards

Do you live in the us and work for a us company? If not you may be very surprised at the level of protectionism in a very psis poor economy. I guess I must be small minded. Oh well.

Are you traveling in Y? I know MU isn't the greatest, but if it's Y I might say that the marginal difference isn't as huge. Also, not sure what your CTU connection is but I suspect you save a bit of time going through PVG instead.

if it's discount Y, you can only get 50% asiamiles.

stop it people just stop! You're depressing me to death....

If you go on a short range flight, you should be able to bear it. Long range flight, I would have given you an award.

LONG. JFK-PVG-ChengDu (whatever their airport code is), and back.

I'm going to go cry now.

Oh no.......
Dont do that !!!

Let me give you some tips to make yourself feel comfortable inflight.
Just like what i did.

I wore short sleeves and short pants for YVR-HKG-SIN thats a longer flight i suppose total 18 hours

Oh no.......
Dont do that !!!

Let me give you some tips to make yourself feel comfortable inflight.
Just like what i did.

I wore short sleeves and short pants for YVR-HKG-SIN thats a longer flight i suppose total 18 hours

Too late, what's done is done. After reading the tales of this forum I am very tempted to just spend my own money on Cathay and skip the China Eastern....

Too late, what's done is done. After reading the tales of this forum I am very tempted to just spend my own money on Cathay and skip the China Eastern....

No... then we will all miss out on the fun of your Trip Report! You could check on day of departure for a buy up to business with your own money on the good old MU couldn`t you

Too late, what's done is done. After reading the tales of this forum I am very tempted to just spend my own money on Cathay and skip the China Eastern....

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Do whatever you can to fly with cathay trust me.
Do not fly with any airline that has a word China/India in it.
Do fly with them unless you have no choice.
Do trust me if not i cant help you.
Do forgive me if im scaring you.

Good luck my friend

He'll need it on those terms, Cathay is a former name for China, especially northern China. :p

Do whatever you can to fly with cathay trust me.
Do not fly with any airline that has a word China/India in it.
Do fly with them unless you have no choice.
Do trust me if not i cant help you.
Do forgive me if im scaring you.

Good luck my friendAll your other posts indicate that you have flown less flights in your entire life than many here fly every month. Have I misunderstood your qualifications to make assertions such as these?

All your other posts indicate that you have flown less flights in your entire life than many here fly every month. Have I misunderstood your qualifications to make assertions such as these?

So what !?!?
You mean i cant join flyertalk ?

Do you have a problem that i dont fly every month compare to these people here?

So what !?!?
You mean i cant join flyertalk ?

Do you have a problem that i dont fly every month compare to these people here?

No offense, but sometimes many of your posts...like the one christep quoted...don't have relevant information. For instance, how often do you fly airlines with the word "China" in it? I don't fly Air China much, but am on it probably 4-6x monthly. It's not a crime that you don't fly often, but to say "don't fly any airline with xxx in it," especially if you have no idea what you're talking about, is annoying.

I wrote a thread recently about how this forum was getting a little strange. I think what I meant was this forum is just getting clogged with pointless banter by people who seem to be flying fanatics, but who don't do much flying. As I responded then, I have no problem with people who don't fly often getting information and sharing experiences. For instance, a new member wireless_999 just started this thread here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cathay-pacific-asia-miles/967616-traveling-biz-jfk-hkg-have-some-questions.html
that seems like it could be very useful, even if he doesn't fly CX often. Sounds to me like a great use of FT. Information - both seeking and giving it - is awesome, that's not what I'm against. What I get annoyed with are posts precisely like the ones you wrote above, or threads/topics that add little informational value to anyone. Just my personal opinion, and I'm not even sure what the rules on FT are so maybe I'm the one out of order.

But as someone who enjoys this forum, and I think it's a great info tool...i find the quality has declined significantly lately.

So what !?!?
You mean i cant join flyertalk ?

Do you have a problem that i dont fly every month compare to these people here?

I think what christep meant is not that you shouldn't join flyertalk. I think what he meant was that unless you have lots of experience (on different flights) to back up your comments, you shouldn't be making such strong comments.

I haven't had too many experiences with India/China based airlines, but I have had a few. Some were sub par, but some of my flights were more than acceptable. I'm wondering if you can tell us what experiences you've had on these flights for you to make such comments? I believe that if you've had one or two flights, it really isn't enough to make an overall comment about an airline.

I think what christep meant is not that you shouldn't join flyertalk. I think what he meant was that unless you have lots of experience (on different flights) to back up your comments, you shouldn't be making such strong comments.

I haven't had too many experiences with India/China based airlines, but I have had a few. Some were sub par, but some of my flights were more than acceptable. I'm wondering if you can tell us what experiences you've had on these flights for you to make such comments? I believe that if you've had one or two flights, it really isn't enough to make an overall comment about an airline.

Well,i did heard some comments on that "xxx" airline.
Not only from 1 or 2 but quite alot of them.

Anyway..........
i shall just shut myself up from now onwards.
Bye

Well,i did heard some comments on that "xxx" airline.
Not only from 1 or 2 but quite alot of them.

Anyway..........
i shall just shut myself up from now onwards.
Bye

Would be nice if you stick around.

In general, I'd also hope that posts reflect first person accounts and not something heard from others.

Would be nice if you stick around.

In general, I'd also hope that posts reflect first person accounts and not something heard from others.

I'll still be sticking around.
dont worry !!

In general, I'd also hope that posts reflect first person accounts and not something heard from others.

+1. Opinions are subjective (as we've seen many times in this forum. eg. the new CX seats). Therefore, first person accounts are better (IMO) than what a person might have heard from others.

+1. Opinions are subjective (as we've seen many times in this forum. eg. the new CX seats). First person accounts are always better :)

Not to beat a dead horse but isn't first person accounts also subjective? How can anybody be objective when all people do are sharing their flight experiences?

Not to beat a dead horse but isn't first person accounts also subjective? How can anybody be objective when all people do are sharing their flight experiences?

Sorry I think I wasn't being clear enough before. What I meant to say was that everyone's opinions are subjective, so it's a better to have an opinion based on your own experiences, and not what "he said she said..." or "i heard him say that...".

Anyways, I've taken a long range flight with MU before, YVR-PVG. The only things I would watch out for are the worn-out seats that may be a little bit cramped compared to CX. I would advise you to take a meal that doesn't have beef in it (Fish and other may be okay) since they overcook it for the two flights and you will have to chew hard. Bring along some electronic entertainment for you onboard the flight. The last few pieces of entertainment I was shown on the mainscreen IFE were a few Chinese movies made in the 1990s + one Hollywood blockbuster made a year ago, watchable, but I would prefer bringing a DVD player or my laptop and watch something else.

but I would prefer bringing a DVD player or my laptop and watch something else.

Do they have any place to charge your laptop (e.g In Seat Power) ?

Do they have any place to charge your laptop (e.g In Seat Power) ?

No. All mainland Chinese airlines; even though they gain a lot more profits than 5 star airlines or US airlines, they fail at the entertainment/food/beverage and cabin environment services.

Basically, I would tend to stay away from CA/MU/CZ if it comes to long range flights.

Sorry I think I wasn't being clear enough before. What I meant to say was that everyone's opinions are subjective, so it's a better to have an opinion based on your own experiences, and not what "he said she said..." or "i heard him say that...".

100% agree.

Okay I see that the thread is becoming very very OT. So I think its best that its closed.

Thank you!

Guy Betsy
Cathay Pacific Asiamiles forum moderator