KLM Flying Dutchman - FAQ 3A2 - KLM Aircraft and Seating Questions

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The Great KLM Aircraft & Seating FAQ has moved and been renamed to

The Great KLM Aircraft & Seating Guide

You can find it here (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/klm-flying-dutchman/551462-great-klm-aircraft-seating-faq.html).

That thread is meant to serve as a guide, so will be locked. Please continue to use this thread for all your questions related to KL aircraft and the seats that are in them.

Great set of info there. I didn't have time to go through it in detail but I know that the B772 fleet now stands at 13 airframes (PH-BQM delivered 2 weeks ago, PH-BQN just a couple of days ago) and the B763 is down to just 7.

AFAIK, the 737-900 still has 5 rows of the old 2-3 business class seats.

Great thread, Alan! And bravo to Gajan!!! :-:

Great info! Thank you very much for the work, greatly appreciated.

Just for your info Alan,

When not pressurised (on the ground) the 747 holds even more then a ton of air :p

Cheers

Bravo!
Great summary!
Just one little thing, 747 all-pax has 386 Economy (used to be 384 before they installed 2 extra seats).

And the latest news is that apparently a number of the remaining 777 orders will be converted to 777-300 ER instead of -200 series.

great work!!!!

the KLM 767-300ER does fly to DMM to (Dammam) and the A330-200 to BAH (Bahrein)

And the latest news is that apparently a number of the remaining 777 orders will be converted to 777-300 ER instead of -200 series.

Rumor: Apparently these aircrafts are to replace the older 744. It does not
mention if which ones they will replace (combi/full pax).
We will have to wait and see:)

Alan, you might want to retitle this "guide to KLM premium class seating."

I've made some pretty detailed comments in the past on coach seating in the 744/74M and the various 737s if you want to dig some of those up.

A few things to add based on my recent flights:

MD-11: row 1 seats are nice though the lack of stowage space was a minor concern. row 2 would be roomy but lav proximity could be an issue (esp. 2B and 2E, and 2F and 2H). 5A footroom looked to be constricted by the aircraft door (if your feet extend past the footrest you could only stretch them ahead and to the right). 5B does have tons of space but not good for those with vertigo. :)

73x: 2C does have a lot of legroom since the closet really only blocks 2A/2B. Usual warnings apply about people and carts bumping into you as the passage narrows. 1D would be the same but really for left leg only. And its door swings into your space.

[Earlier posts were correctly deleted by moderator for being off the thread's topic, I hope this is okay. And thank you everyone for the advice before.]

=aw

Alanw, GREAT compendum of information, and I'm very much flattered you included my comments!

General 73X comments: always grab seats near the front for extra legroom, the rows have 2 inches more, which is just enough to keep this six-footer comfortable. This would be Row 1-7 on 737-300 and -400, Row 1-10 on -800, Row 1-9 on -900.

Believe this applies to some F100s as well... I swear some of them have more legroom in the front.

If you like windows, avoid Row 6 on 737-300, Row 7 on -400, Row 8 on -800, and Row 10? on -900 as these rows do not have a window on either side.

General F70 and F100 comment: book exit rows at your own risk, there are actually several different configurations that have the exit rows numbered differently. I quit booking exit rows during OLCI after I got burned by this THREE times in a row. You're better off reserving a seat as far forward as possible to take advantage of the extra legroom.

Finally, don't sweat getting particular seats on 737s and F70/100 ahead of time (either when reserving seats if booked in Business, or during OLCI) because KL often changes the aircraft due to loads... I've expected F70s and gotten F100s, and seen 737-300s swapped for -400s and -800s, and vice versa. Yet another way to kiss your exit row seat goodbye.

Great job! I'll tell the passengers to look here and not on klm.com for info :-:

The MD-11 is mainly used on routes: ACC, AUA, BON, CAI, CUR, DUB, LOS, LIM, YUL, UIO, YVR

Those wacky Dutch fly an MD11 to Dublin?
Must be a happening place!!!
I'd fly it to DXB, but hey...what do I know ? :confused:

In any case, this is a great thread. Thank you!

KL 621 Jul 22. Seat 29A B767-306ER PH-BZH

29A is a fairly good seat but the only negative is the door that hangs a little in the cabin but if you change the position of your legs there should be no problem.

The MD-11 is mainly used on routes: ACC, AUA, BON, CAI, CUR, DUB, LOS, LIM, YUL, UIO, YVR

Those wacky Dutch fly an MD11 to Dublin?
Must be a happening place!!!
I'd fly it to DXB, but hey...what do I know ? :confused:

In any case, this is a great thread. Thank you!

Ditto great thread. MD-11 is also currently in use on SFO-AMS and AMS-SFO.

Ditto great thread. MD-11 is also currently in use on SFO-AMS and AMS-SFO.

A note - I'm booked in May '07 from SFO-AMS on a 744 (doesn't say if it's a combi or full pax). Is there any chance I could end up on a 767? :td: I had one from LHR-AMS, and its WBC seats are not very comfortable (compared to the 744 I was on previously).

Also, after reading this thread, I'm not sure if I hope it gets changed to a 773 or not... Ok, I do hope so, because I haven't been on one before :)

-CLG

A note - I'm booked in May '07 from SFO-AMS on a 744 (doesn't say if it's a combi or full pax). Is there any chance I could end up on a 767? :td: I had one from LHR-AMS, and its WBC seats are not very comfortable (compared to the 744 I was on previously).

Also, after reading this thread, I'm not sure if I hope it gets changed to a 773 or not... Ok, I do hope so, because I haven't been on one before :)

-CLG

It was recently announced that AMS-SFO was migrating over to 747 in 2007 if not before - I'm not sure of the start date. A 767 substitution seems very unlikely, given the capacity difference. I found WBC on KL's 777 to be perfectly fine, but many FTers found it to be Tilt-A-Gurney hell, so I guess it just depends on your perspective.

Boeing 747 – 400
Recommendations
WBC:
1A, 1C, 1J, 1K
4E, 4F
77A, 77C, 77J, 77K


while booking 77A on my upgrade award WBC AMS-Seoul flight the helpdesk agent asked why everyone asks for row 77. 77A and 77K are among the best seats on KL - WBC upper deck (like anything above 70), private cabin with 2 FAs for 20 people, and A and K have windows as well as luggage storage space on the side. Also, row 77 is the exit row, so you have as much legroom as you could possibly hope for.


Economy:
9A, 9B, 9C


for couples, 11-17 DE offer the only seat pairs in the aircraft on economy; D is the aisle and E has the wall to the galley, with some extra floor storage. i can confirm rumours that a few months ago the cupboard in front of row 11 has been removed, so 11 DE has unlimited legspace - in fact more than 9ABC, where your legs bump into those of the FAs seated opposite during landing and take-off.

-rishab

11C and 11G are the only decent economy seats with legroom (row 10 is 2-3-2). these seats tend to be booked weeks in advance.

Boeing 777–200ER

while booking 77A on my upgrade award WBC AMS-Seoul flight the helpdesk agent asked why everyone asks for row 77. 77A and 77K are among the best seats on KL - WBC upper deck (like anything above 70), private cabin with 2 FAs for 20 people, and A and K have windows as well as luggage storage space on the side. Also, row 77 is the exit row, so you have as much legroom as you could possibly hope for.
-rishab

When I tried to reserve seats 77A+B on upcoming award flight I was told that I could not as they were emergency exit seats and can only be allocated at check-in. Is this correct

When I tried to reserve seats 77A+B on upcoming award flight I was told that I could not as they were emergency exit seats and can only be allocated at check-in. Is this correctIt has always been possible ;) to pre-allocate these seats. Haven't flown WBC recently so others will have a more definitive answer.

[Added a bit later]Hmmm, checked some seat maps about 90 days ahead and the 77 row shows up all seats as 'R'. Wonder if my memory made the past better than it actually was...

It has always been possible ;) to pre-allocate these seats. Haven't flown WBC recently so others will have a more definitive answer.

[Added a bit later]Hmmm, checked some seat maps about 90 days ahead and the 77 row shows up all seats as 'R'. Wonder if my memory made the past better than it actually was...

I had the same... FB 'help'desk won't give them away, but reg KLM reservation will without any hesitation. Funnily enough I noticed on my way back from LA that row 77 in the NWA system (for the KLM flight) was marked as 'E' for elite flyers only...

Hi,

I just read on the KLM website that they going to start using the refurbished 747-400's. Anyone know if they will be used for the AMS-KUL-CGK route this month or in January?

Thanks.

:)

Here is part of the story: N° 8: start to enjoy new heights of comfort at 35,000 feet

This month, the second of KLM’s refurbished Boeing 747-400 aircraft will come into operation. These renewed aircraft promise an even more relaxing and enjoyable flight, with a new style of World Business Class cabin that mirrors the one typically found on the KLM Boeing 777-200 and Airbus A330-200 aircraft.
The link is part of the FB news.

Link: http://www.klm.com/travel/be_en/flying_blue/news_promotions/news/index.htm?intcamp=flb.newspromotions&intchan=fb.newsmenu&inttype=txt.promotions

Hi,

I just read on the KLM website

Can you please post a link? I cannot find the mentioned announcement.

CLG

Hi,

I just read on the KLM website that they going to start using the refurbished 747-400's. Anyone know if they will be used for the AMS-KUL-CGK route this month or in January?

Months later, I'm wondering the same thing. What kind of biz seats on AMS-KUL?

How can I tell what kind of a 737 I'll be flying on my upcoming trip (AMS-BUH?) I tried looking at the timetable, reservations, flight status, etc, but the equipment operating this flight was not revealed... :(

You really can't - they switch it out often. It'll be luck of the draw.

Months later, I'm wondering the same thing. What kind of biz seats on AMS-KUL?

8 out of 22 B747s plying that route have been reconfigured, whereas the other 14 remain in the old configuration, so it's your best guess whether you'll get the old or the new cabins. If you leave on one of the nights when the full passenger version 744 is deployed on KL809 AMS KUL CGK you have a good chance of getting the new cabins as 4 out of 5 aircraft have been reconfigured.

What type of 747 does KLM fly SFO-AMS (full or combi)? I've got that trip coming up at the end of May, and I'm curious if I'll have new SSS or the old seats.

CLG

Will the seat configuration (layout) remain the same after installation of new biz sets on 747 fleet ? - and if changed, which window seat to select ??
I know pro and con for every single upper deck window seat with nice old biz seats, but so far never experience the new biz seat on 747 :) - only on 777 to SIN and CPT from AMS and it is difinitely a huge step backwards :td:

Will the seat configuration (layout) remain the same after installation of new biz sets on 747 fleet ? Yes, the layout remains unchanged.

Johan

Hi

can any one please confirm to me if seat 4A on KL1088 ( MAN to AMS) acft
B737-400 and
KL1801 from (AMS to MUNICH) acft Fokker 100, are KLM Europe Select seats ?

many thanks

Could be either, because the class divider in both types of aircraft is movable.

Johan

I see this FAQ is getting a bit long in the tooth due to the recent downgrade of seating on MD11, 744, and some 737 aircraft.

Would one of our brave and daring members like to take a stab at summarizing the new information so it can be added to the original posts?

Not sure whether to ask this here or in the main KLM forum - but is there any way of looking at the current status of seats filled / reserved on a seating chart of one's KLM flights?

I accessed my upcoming itinerary on KLM.com - but it says that I can't do anything except look at my flight itinerary. Is that just the way it is with KLM?

Also, for my flights KLM / Northwest keep on insisting on calling me a Worldperks Silver Elite - I am gold elite and it shows up correctly on everything but my KLM flights.

Not sure whether to ask this here or in the main KLM forum - but is there any way of looking at the current status of seats filled / reserved on a seating chart of one's KLM flights?

I accessed my upcoming itinerary on KLM.com - but it says that I can't do anything except look at my flight itinerary. Is that just the way it is with KLM?

Also, for my flights KLM / Northwest keep on insisting on calling me a Worldperks Silver Elite - I am gold elite and it shows up correctly on everything but my KLM flights.

1. If you have KVS Platinum membership, you can access KLM seatmaps for Economy class via Worldspan.

2. Call Air France Reservations, give them your KLM confirmation number, and have them remove and re-add your WorldPerks number. NWA agents can do this too - but ONLY give them your KLM PNR, or else they won't bother to do what you're asking.

I just read on the KLM website that they going to start using the refurbished 747-400's. [/url]

Does anyone know the timescale for the 744 updates? I'm booking AMS-SFO for May 2008, is it likely to be completed by then?

On the A330 for row 1 is the proximity to the lavatory bothersome?
Any other suggestions?

Which KLM 777-200 row has more legroom, row 10 or row 30-31 ?

For those seated in the back cabin of the 332s, avoid the bulkhead row (10). There may be cutouts for your feet but they're still very limited. The middle aisle seats (11D and G?) on row 11 are nice as you can stretch your feet. Exit row 29 (or is it 28?) has a lot of room if you can get them.

Hello guys.

Can any of your tell me what are the seat configuration on KLM's newly delivered Boeing B773ER PH-BVA.

First - ?
Business : 2-2 ?
Economy : 3-3-3 or 3-4-3 ?

WBC: 2-3-2
Economy: 3-4-3
"Premium Economy" ??? (if it even comes)

I just snagged 7H on MD-11 metal and 11D on A330. What are your thoughts on these seats?

I know that NW offers in-seat power aboard A330s. Does KLM offer the same benefit? I checked Seat Guru, and I'm never quite sure whether it's been updated or not. Anyone been on these aircrafts recently--and perhaps even in these seats? Has the entertainment system aboard the MD-11 been updated (i.e., PTVs and VOD)? Sorry for the newbie questions. I haven't been on KLM metal in a LONG time. :)

Flying KLM AMS-SIN-AMS on 772 in June, so at the 90-day window we'll be requesting seats. Does KLM block all exit and bulkhead seats until Check-in, or can Platinums pre-assign Rows 10 or 30/31, like we can for Row 11D/E on 744s?
I'm not optimistic, but you never know... it's a dreaded 12-13 hour flight, so we're trying to make it more bearable. :)
Thanks!

Me and my girlfriend are flying from Amsterdam to Johannesburg (SA) this Friday. (747-400 KLM)

My lenght is 1.92 meter!

We are in doubt wich chairs to choose:
51 A+B / J+K
51 B+C / H+J
55 DE / 55 FG

Can someone help us?

Hi,

Does anyone have any update on the deployment of AVOD in coach on the MD-11's? Last update I saw was that 2-3 planes were done, but that was months ago. (I'm starting to plan a trip to YUL, so I'm "concerned")

Thanks,

GenevaFlyer

I just booked an itinnerary with NW that includes a TATL leg in WBC from AMS-DTW on the 777 and 2 Europe Select legs AMS-NUE-AMS on the Fokker 70.

NW assigns seat 90 days out. How do I get seats in WBC on the 777 on KLM? My travel dates are not until December 2008 but I want to ensure I don't end up in one of those middle seats in WBC.

Many thanks for your help.

NW assigns seat 90 days out.So does KL. You will just have to be patient.

Johan

How can I tell what kind of a 737 I'll be flying on my upcoming trip (AMS-BUH?) I tried looking at the timetable, reservations, flight status, etc, but the equipment operating this flight was not revealed... :(

You can always check http://www.checkmytrip.com

11C and 11G are the only decent economy seats with legroom (row 10 is 2-3-2). these seats tend to be booked weeks in advance.

Row 31 is equally good, actually better in many ways because you don't need to stand up if the person next to you wants to go to the aisle. This is on KLMs 777-200, not the new 300-series, which is a different situation altogehter.

Does anybody have experience with row 9 in economy on the 777-300? How is 9A and 9B? They look to me to have more legroom than the similar row 10 on the 777-200. But can you actually stretch your feet?

I recently sat in seat 11C on the 777-300 and it looked to me that seat 10 J was bigger than the other seats. Did anyone notice this? Are all row 10 seats bigger? Is this what we can expect in the announced premium economy?

Does the "exit row" 11 or 12 have any extra legroom on the 73x?
I haven't seen any mention of it, nor are 73x series listed on Seatguru.
Thanks, especially if you can reply to my question in the next hour or two--I depart tonight on HEL-AMS-SIN! :)
Cheers

Does the "exit row" 11 or 12 have any extra legroom on the 73x?
I haven't seen any mention of it, nor are 73x series listed on Seatguru.
Thanks, especially if you can reply to my question in the next hour or two--I depart tonight on HEL-AMS-SIN! :)
Cheers

Try and take the second exit-row seat, as that has recline.

Try and take the second exit-row seat, as that has recline.
Thanks, I will. But does the exit row actually have any more legroom, or should I just sit in row 4-6, which is also available?
Thanks!

Thanks, I will. But does the exit row actually have any more legroom, or should I just sit in row 4-6, which is also available?
Thanks!

It does have more legroom

It does have more legroom

Actually yes, to answer my own question--Row 12 on the 737-400 has HUGE legroom, about 38" at least. Row 11 is the same, however Row 11 doesn't recline.
Row 12 was available at the 24-hour check-in window online.
Thanks for the advice!

Does anybody have the latest klm md-11 seating plan?

We made reservations for our flight to Curacao on seat 17 H&J. According to KLM reservations this are two seats at the end of a row with no people behind you and nobody else sitting next to you.

When I check on http://www.klm.com/travel/nl_nl/travel_information/on_board/seating_plans/md11.htm

I see 3 seats next to each other (GHJ) and row 18-19-20 behind me.

Can somebody tell who's right? KLM reservations or the seating plan on KLM's website? And if reservations is right what's behind 17? (Lavatory, kitchen??)

Hi guys,

I'm flying out of Edinburgh via Amsterdam for Dubai on July 24.
I've logged into my KLM booking on the Air France website (so I can select my seats), and on the outbound flight KL427 there a 5 rows in WBC, whilst on the return KL430 there are only 4. Both flights are on 777-200 aircraft. I find this a bit odd.

Any advice?

Alvoid 6A and F in 733, 7A and F in 734, 8A and F in 73G, and 9A and F in 739, because these rows have no windows.

Alvoid 6A and F in 733, 7A and F in 734, 8A and F in 73G, and 9A and F in 739, because these rows have no windows.

Thanks. Those are the seats I want to avoid direct sunlight!

Thanks. Those are the seats I want to avoid direct sunlight!

If there's sun, there's a blind, if there's no sun, there's no window.

Can anyone help, I booked a flight on KL617 AMS>DTW on A330. What I don't understand is all the websites when you go to seat selection are not showing row 10. Anyone know is there a row 10 in the center or not? The seat selection map looks very different than Seatguru or KLM's website maps. Thanks.

How many of the B744s now have the refurbished WBC cabins with new seats? I'm flying AMS-ORD on 10/17.

How many of the B744s now have the refurbished WBC cabins with new seats? I'm flying AMS-ORD on 10/17.

I remember to have read very recently that they have finished that program and that WBC cabins in all B744's were refurbished by now. I will see on 10/23 when flying AMS-KUL.

Having never flown Y on KLM's B772 I was wondering if someone could tell me which seats are blocked out for Seat Choice? I got put in 21C now, so I'd like to get a seat with a little bit more legroom :)

Thanks!

How soon before my flight to Atlanta with KLM can I select seats?

thanks all :)

Boeing 777–300ER

Number of pax:
World Business Class Featuring That Little House Filled With Hard Liquor™: 35
Economy Class: 390


Seat Information & IFE
Seatmap:

World Business Class:
Pitch: 60”
Width: 20"
Recline: 170o
Seating Plan: 2-3-2


Economy Class:
Pitch: 31” / 34''
Width: 17.5" (which is true! but aisles are narrower)
Seating Plan: 2-0-0 (row9), 2-4-2 (row10), 3-4-3, 2-4-2 in the back.


World Business Class Featuring That Little House Filled With Hard Liquor™:
Video IFE: Audio & Video on Demand / AF Business class seats and screen
Audio IFE: Audio & Video on Demand / AF Business class seats and screen

Economy Class:
Video IFE: Audio & Video on Demand, widescreen in all seats, even armrest mounted
Audio IFE: Audio & Video on Demand, widescreen

Program Guide (http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM/KLM_Boeing_777-300ER.php[/url)



Comments & Advice


The armrest PTV on the rows 9, 10, 30 and 50 are exactly the same size as in other rows unlike stated on SeatGuru.

Just flew with KLM on airliners PH-BVA, a 777-300ER their route JRO-DAR-AMS.

Row 9 A, B only has one window and a long blind claustrophobic wall with really great legroom. No toilets there unlike the KL 772. [url]http://myaviation.net/?pid=01488363

Row 10J, K has more limited legroom but two windows on the side.

Seats 10 B and 10J are wider seats on the shoulder padding. Seats 9AB, 10AB and 10JK have wider seats.

Seat 11C and 11H have a much restricted legroom as the anchor is in the middle of the legroom.

Exit rows 30 and 50 are crowded with queues to the loo. Row 30 has a flat exit door whereas row 50 has the protuberant version.

Seats 59ABJK have a great side space as aisle is large but these seats are not facing their screens (it looks weird).

11C and 11G are the only decent economy seats with legroom (row 10 is 2-3-2). these seats tend to be booked weeks in advance.

I really enjoy the pair 10HJ : perfect for a couple or if next seats is empty, feels private with next passenger almost 2m apart and two full windows.

Legroom is a bit more restricted than 11CG but I usually do not behave and put my feet on the wall...:p

Next is 10AB, same but a bit near the loo and the drinking fountain (foot traffic, noise).

Boeing 747 – 400

The 747 is mainly used on routes: JNB, CUR, CGK, KUL, JFK, SXM, YYZ
The 747 Combi is mainly used on routes: LAX, KUL, JFK, SIN, CGK, HKG, PEK, PVG, BKK, TPE, ORD, ICN, MEX, JFK
Does anyone have the registration of the 5 744 full pax?
Thanks! :)

Does anyone have the registration of the 5 744 full pax?
Thanks! :)

PH-BFA/B/G/L/N

PH-BFA/B/G/L/N
Thank you very much for you answer! :)

As I really needed ASAP a precise inventory of the KLM long-haul fleet, and as I got no answer here, I used another method. I just had a look at the aircraft types and registrations mentioned in the comments of AirLiners.com (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=Boeing+747-400+(AL-1)&airlinesearch=Royal+Dutch+Airlines+(KLM)|KLM+-+Royal+Dutch+Airlines&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=&range=&sort_order=datestamp+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=) pictures (747-406 vs 747-406M).

And your post, perfectly confirms what I've found ^
Cool. Thanks!

Should you require even more information, try planespotters.net (http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/KLM-Royal-Dutch-Airlines), airfleets.net (http://airfleets.net/flottecie/KLM.htm) or plane-list.com (http://www.plane-list.com/).

Johan

Should you require even more information, try planespotters.net (http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/KLM-Royal-Dutch-Airlines)
Excellent! Thanks ^
I already knew Airfleets.net but this information was missing :)

Can anyone help, I booked a flight on KL617 AMS>DTW on A330. What I don't understand is all the websites when you go to seat selection are not showing row 10. Anyone know is there a row 10 in the center or not? The seat selection map looks very different than Seatguru or KLM's website maps. Thanks.

Im experiencing the same problem for my IAD-AMS flight. I cant see row 10 on the seat map, and when I called, the NW/KL agent said that row 11 IS the bulkhead. I requested bulkhead window, but according to seatguru, she gave me the second row of Y window (and there is no window in that row!!)...can anyone comment on 11J?...are there not any bulkheads with both open space and windows properly aligned with the seat on this aircraft?

Hi,

i just made my booking on KLM.com for my upcoming trip from MCT to STR.
I was automatically given 11 G for both ways for he long houl. Did anyone have an advice if this seat is good or not or will it be better to change it?

Thanks,

AF 001

Hi,

i just made my booking on KLM.com for my upcoming trip from MCT to STR.
I was automatically given 11 G for both ways for he long houl. Did anyone have an advice if this seat is good or not or will it be better to change it?

Thanks,

AF 001

AFAIK this is a standard aisle seat. Nothing more, nothing less.

AFAIK this is a standard aisle seat. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks Brobbel,

than I will ask more specific :-):
Any seat somebody can recommend in Economy KLM's A330-200?

Thank you

AF 001

This is what I've been looking for forever! Thanks a bunch!!

Thanks Brobbel,

than I will ask more specific :-):
Any seat somebody can recommend in Economy KLM's A330-200?

Thank you

AF 001

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM/KLM_Airbus_A330-200.php
http://seatexpert.com/seatmap/191/KLM_Royal_Dutch_Airbus_A330-200/

Temporarily locking this while I do some housekeeping.

will fly AMS-MEX mid july and i was wondering if the 744 Combi will be refurbished or if i have to bring a good book ? :-)

will fly AMS-MEX mid july and i was wondering if the 744 Combi will be refurbished or if i have to bring a good book ? :-)

All 747's are refurbished with AVOD in C, in Y there is no AVOD (only overhead screens)

All 744 will be refurbished with AVOD in Y as well as with the new premium economy by the end of the year.

July would be too early though.

Which are the exit rows on the 737 (i.e. 737-700) and 738?

Are there two rows each, and which ones are reserved for Elite Plus, leaving what for everyone else.

I find instead of showing the exit row as unavailable online check-in just shows the rows as non-existent.

Thank you

Which are the exit rows on the 737 (i.e. 737-700) and 738?

Are there two rows each, and which ones are reserved for Elite Plus, leaving what for everyone else.

I find instead of showing the exit row as unavailable online check-in just shows the rows as non-existent.

Thank you

Check the seatmaps on the KLM website, linked trhough. You will find that the exit rows vary between the types and therefore selection can be tricky.

-300 (which are rapidly leaving the fleet now) has a single exit row (10), row 9 has no window seats but has more legroom. 10A and 10F are great for legroom!

-400 has two rows (11 and 12)

-700 has one exit row (10) NB I cannot confirm the seatmap as correct, not having flown the type yet.

-800 has two rows (12 and 14).

-900 has two rows (15 and 16).

Make sure you login to FB before OLCI and - in my experience - the exit rows will be highlighted with a yellow icon and a little 'e', showing availability for 0 euro for elites. Sometimes only row 12 is highlighted and row 11 only has the little 'e' indicating exit row. This may happen when they aren't sure of using a -400 or -800 (I have found this to be the case with the LHR routes).

No guarantee that you will have an exit row as they can change between the types at short notice.

They will usually fill the exit rows so that there are people to operate the doors in case of an emergency. So if you want a better chance of an empty middle seat next to you, don't select the exit rows - or fly LH C class :-)

There is no guarantee as such therefore, PE can try and get these seats for free, other people have to pay but in practice will usually sit there as a result of random seat assignments by the computers and without paying.

OT: the 'new' KLC F70s (recently arrived ex AF) have a huge amount of legroom in row 11, as the seat pitch for the other 16 rows seems to be less than the normal KLC configuration.

I am flying KLM from LHR-AMS-JFK in October, in C. These are FB award tickets. When can I request seats and can I do this online?

I am flying KLM from LHR-AMS-JFK in October, in C. These are FB award tickets. When can I request seats and can I do this online?

KL paid C seats in are usually available 90 days out (s/h and l/h) but I'm not sure for awards; should be the same, though. But if the AMS-JFK leg is on the NW-operated flight (dep. 08:15), then you'll have to go to nwa.com to make your seat assignments (type in your KL PNR and the website will give you an equivalent NW/DL PNR).

--Henry

I just spoke to a KLM rep while trying to select a seat for a CPT-AMS leg in October. Although the KLM website lists it as a 772, the configuration as described by the rep is different than what is shown on the KLM website or seatguru as follows:

Rep description:
777 (Flight 598)
C= 2-2-2; Rows 1-5 and 10-13 (same as DL 772ER)
Y= 2-5-2; not sure which rows (but configuration not same as any on DL, NW, or KLM 777 per Seatguru)

KLM Website and Seatguru:
772ER
C=2-3-2; Rows 1-5
Y=3-3-3

773ER
C=2-3-2; Rows 1-5
Y=3-4-3

The rep noted that they may be acquiring another carrier's metal due to the DL/NW merger, but I can't find any with the above configuration on KL, DL, or NW. Any ideas?

I just spoke to a KLM rep while trying to select a seat for a CPT-AMS leg in October. Although the KLM website lists it as a 772, the configuration as described by the rep is different than what is shown on the KLM website or seatguru as follows:
...

The rep noted that they may be acquiring another carrier's metal due to the DL/NW merger, but I can't find any with the above configuration on KL, DL, or NW. Any ideas?

Unless they are bringing the NW DC10 fleet back - which are the only aircraft I remember with 2-5-2, the KL rep is likely to be mistaken.

Unless they are bringing the NW DC10 fleet back - which are the only aircraft I remember with 2-5-2, the KL rep is likely to be mistaken.

Well, some airlines have 2-5-2 in their 777's, but unless AF/KLM is leasing on from somewhere, it does seem that the KLM staff you spoke is wrong

KL paid C seats in are usually available 90 days out (s/h and l/h) but I'm not sure for awards; should be the same, though.It is.

Johan

This is not exactly a 'seating' question but I think this is the best thread for it, so here goes:

Has anyone been on one of KLM's new ERJ (Embraer 190), and/or can anyone tell me what the overhead luggage bins are like?

On other (smaller) Embraers, the bins have a very small vertical dimension and my wheelie-case has to be gate-checked. But I like to put my laptop in the case and the gate-check handlers aren't always that gentle! (I'll be in the 'free newspaper'/'weird snack' section, so can I perhaps store the case in the closet?)

Any info much appreciated.
--Henry

EDIT: I think I've answered my own question, here: http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/english/content/ejets/emb_190.asp?tela=cross_section

I'm flying AMS-YYZ in October on an MD11. Which seats in coach provide the maximum legroom at no extra cost. Seatguru and Seatexpert seem to provide differing information whether the aisle seats on the sides of the aircraft are better than those in the middle. Has anyone had any experience?

This is not exactly a 'seating' question but I think this is the best thread for it, so here goes:

Has anyone been on one of KLM's new ERJ (Embraer 190), and/or can anyone tell me what the overhead luggage bins are like?

EDIT: I think I've answered my own question, here: http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/english/content/ejets/emb_190.asp?tela=cross_section

Henry
I have used the 190 several times from Colombia into Panama, and although most other 190 operators state 24x16x10 inches, trust me,you can fit bigger, I have seen Colombians squeeze all kinds of luggage into those bins.I don't know the config of the KLM metal, but on Copa, row 5 has more legroom but smaller luggage bins
Enjoy your trip

Thanks, kaminski, but ... I have seen Colombians squeeze all kinds of luggage into those bins ... conjures up a rather surreal and somewhat inappropriate image in my over-active imagination. :eek: ;)

We are scheduled to fly from AMS to SFO in late September 2009 and will be flying World Class Business. We are scheduled to be in row 4 on the 747. Has anyone flown this recently, how are the seats, potv etc?

I just flew on the SkyTeam livery 77W (PH-BVD). Row 10 only has the middle seats (D, E, F, G); on the sides row 9 is followed by row 11.

11 H,J,K are awful seats and should be avoided at all costs. Presumably the same is true for 11A,B,C. 11H gets bumped a lot. The screen is in the armrest and is smaller. The screens for seats 11J and 11K are horribly misaligned.

The seats on row 9 looked considerably wider.

I just flew the KLM 747 from AMS to JFK. We opted for seats in row 4. My wife and I had the two centre seats and my son by the window. They are excellent seats with plenty of space and easy access.

I have a seat reservation in Row 34 for the JFK-AMS late night flight in the middle of December. The reservation and seat assignment has been done by NW. When checking seatguru, seatexpert, and KLM.com there is NO ROW 34. Am I missing something? Is there a row 34 on KLM's 747?

I have a flight planned on 12 Dec with KLM from AMS to Tokyo. AMS -> TOK (NRT) will be carried out with a 747 Combi, while the NRT-AMS will be with a full pax 747. Any chances one private in-flight enterainment?

I know the PH-BFN has been fitted with PTV's, does anyone know about more 747's with PTV now? Is there a D-Check schedule around from KLM's 747's?

Hi all,

I know there probably is no right or wrong answer ... but, on a 747 Combi, would you recommend upstairs or downstairs for C class?

I've seen recommendations for both, but what's your take on it.

Thanks all, and Merry Christmas,

GenevaFlyer

Hi GF,

Don't know from personal experience, but folks I know have suggested that the front window seats in the 747's nose give some really good views (they're sort of a bit forward-ish facing).

If you're on a night flight and want some sleep, upstairs can be quieter, though.

-- Henry

Hi GF,

Don't know from personal experience, but folks I know have suggested that the front window seats in the 747's nose give some really good views (they're sort of a bit forward-ish facing).

-- Henry

I can agree on that!

Hi all,

I know there probably is no right or wrong answer ... but, on a 747 Combi, would you recommend upstairs or downstairs for C class?

I've seen recommendations for both, but what's your take on it.

Thanks all, and Merry Christmas,

GenevaFlyer

Row 1 downstairs is quiet and private, perfect for sleeping. But then again, so is the upper deck, especially if you get the exit row with the extra legroom - no seats in front reclining into your space. Much of a muchness though - you should worry more about how to get to sleep on the slippery, not-quite-fully-flat seats that KLM and other second-rate carriers have insisted upon installing.

I'm flying next year LHR-PHX with BA, and SFO-AMS with KLM on the way back. I really wish it could have been the other way around, as BA business class is perfect for a long overnight flight, whereas KLM is not in the same league.

Hi Kev,

Row 1 downstairs is quiet and private, perfect for sleeping. But then again, so is the upper deck, especially if you get the exit row with the extra legroom - no seats in front reclining into your space. Much of a muchness though - you should worry more about how to get to sleep on the slippery, not-quite-fully-flat seats that KLM and other second-rate carriers have insisted upon installing.

Price does drive airline selection which is why KL on DL stock ended up being my ticket (saved $200 on the ticket for the exact same flights, it does make seat selection more compicated, as I can only select the longhaul seats through the DL website. Can't select any seats through the KL website, although it does reflect any changes I make on DL.com).

I actually manage to sleep on the KL seats, so I don't mind too much (but then, as my wife says, I can sleep anywhere). I snagged the upstairs exit row, so I'm good to go.

Thanks for the input and happy holidays.

Cheers,

GenevaFlyer

: Hello! for some reason, of all my previous flights with KL, I onlu ended up on the M11 once and it was in Y. Now flying it in WBC next month from SFO and wanted to check if I am making the right choice of seat! Most reviews here seem to say 'anything in row 1 or 2' and seat guru likes the two solitary seats on 6H and J. I went for 1A and B so far but the cabin is wide open so if anyone thinks my choice in not the best, i'll be very happy to learn! cheers,

orbitmic
PS: why do i always feel depressed when i then select the short haul seats on the 737 and see any selection of two seats together already means a neighbour in the third?! ;)

1A and B are nice seats but I usually choose row 2 as you have noone sitting behind you.

1A and B are nice seats but I usually choose row 2 as you have noone sitting behind you.

OK thanks!! indeed, always hard to choose between noone in front or noone behind! both sound tempting!! :)

Just to add a dissonant voice to the chorus:

On the assumption that you are traveling alone, and that you intend to get some sleep during the flight, I would recommend 1E or F. You will have aisle access; and so will your neighbor, who will therefore not have to crawl, climb, leap or jump over you when leaving his seat.

On daytime flights that are not mainly over water, I prefer 1A or J, simply because I at times still enjoy old-fashioned nose-pressed-to-the-window IFE.

Johan

Just to add a dissonant voice to the chorus:

On the assumption that you are traveling alone, and that you intend to get some sleep during the flight, I would recommend 1E or F. You will have aisle access; and so will your neighbor, who will therefore not have to crawl, climb, leap or jump over you when leaving his seat.

On daytime flights that are not mainly over water, I prefer 1A or J, simply because I at times still enjoy old-fashioned nose-pressed-to-the-window IFE.

Johan

Thanks Johan! It's actually two of us together, and as both the young lady and myself also feel that the window-IFE is the best ever, I think I prefer the side too! I'm usually galant enough to let her seat at the window (blame my parents for educating me in such a way!) but she's conversely kind enough to occasionally let me bend over her to enjoy the window show too!

It gladdens my heart, and reassures me, that even highly seasoned (and, might I add, highly respected) frequent flyers such as johan rebel and orbitmic still prefer the 'Window TV' to the 175 (or whatever) channels offered by the latest high-tec AVOD systems. I shan't feel quite so childish next time the FA has to call my name (gently) several times to bring me back to reality from my absent-minded earth-gazing, for meals/snack/drinks, etc. :)

But infra-red goggles (for night flights) and a personal radar (for cloudy days) would be nice ... C (and F) cabin, exclusively, of course! :cool:

-- Henry

It gladdens my heart, and reassures me, that even highly seasoned (and, might I add, highly respected) frequent flyers such as johan rebel and orbitmic still prefer the 'Window TV' to the 175 (or whatever) channels offered by the latest high-tec AVOD systems. I shan't feel quite so childish next time the FA has to call my name (gently) several times to bring me back to reality from my absent-minded earth-gazing, for meals/snack/drinks, etc. :)

But infra-red goggles (for night flights) and a personal radar (for cloudy days) would be nice ... C (and F) cabin, exclusively, of course! :cool:

-- Henry

Ah, it would be fun indeed!! And yes, I'm a window man any day. I won't pretend to not enjoy a stupid film on the plane, but nothing replaces a good old window. Bottom line, I feel no shame at all in admitting that I actually love planes and love flying. Sometimes i get really tired with it, at times really uncomfortable, but the anticipation of a flight is almost always full of childish excitement. What I really wish were reintroduced, even nicer than the cool infra-red goggles cleverly suggested by Henry III, is the beloved visit to the cockpit, not particularly easy to get granted on the routes I tend to fly in this period (lots of transatlantic) unfortunately :( I miss it!

I'm a window man any day... nothing replaces a good old window.On my regular shorthaul commute I pick an aisle seat and read a magazine or book, but on potentially scenic daytime flights the window it is.

I feel no shame at all in admitting that I actually love planes and love flying.Agreed, but the smaller, the lower and slower the better. Best of all are flights to and from African game reserves, but I like the daytime KL flights to various destinations in East and southern Africa as well (Indeed, the view is just about the only thing I like about them)

What I really wish were reintroduced, is the beloved visit to the cockpit.Ah, yes! The Good Old Days! I grew up flying in jumpseats, sometimes for entire flights (once in my dad's lap, the flight was overbooked), often at least for landing. Later, I knew an airline captain in SA, which opened cockpit doors on domestic flights.

Johan

Agreed, but the smaller, the lower and slower the better. Best of all are flights to and from African game reserves, but I like the daytime KL flights to various destinations in East and southern Africa as well (Indeed, the view is just about the only thing I like about them)

I completely agree! I 'only' took a balloon in my one visit to a game reserve but loved it, and am at my most excited when about to take a tiny two seated from some major Australian airport (I like seeing ourselves so low next to a 747 or another big bird!) to the tinies hole deep in aboriginal territory. Some routes from Darwin, Alice, and the Queensland coast are just plain stunning and some of the things I have seen from there I shall never forget! You could almost like 'the noisier the better' too to your list - while i loved the super-quiet feeling of the A380, when in a tiny shaky bird, I like to hear the noise and smell the oil!

Even on 'normal' routes, though, I go for windows. Some of my personal favourites: landing in Nice from the East when there is a strong wind (sit on the right), landing in Heathrow along the Thames (sit on the right), land in Sydney (sit on the left), land in La Guardia (left), final turn over SF bay (right), fly over Elba, the Croatian coast, the Gange valley, New Caledonia, the Mont Blanc and Geneva lake, or the Aconcagua when flying from BA to Santiago, etc. Oh well, ok, I can't really choose so I'll stick to the window every time! :p

Ah, yes! The Good Old Days! I grew up flying in jumpseats, sometimes for entire flights (once in my dad's lap, the flight was overbooked), often at least for landing. Later, I knew an airline captain in SA, which opened cockpit doors on domestic flights.

Yes! When i was a tiny kid in the late 70s and early 80s, a very polite and shy 'est-ce que par hasard je pourrais aller dans la cabine de pilotage s'il vous plait?' would never fail to offer me anything between a few precious minutes and most of the flight in the cockpit with these cool pilots! Now, I wouldn't even dare to ask, not so much because I would feel any shame as a grown up but mostly because I would imagine some worried FA might wrongly jump to the conclusion I may be a wannabe terrorist trying to blow up the cockpit or something and starting a security alert.

Since we were all recently talking about security measures, I wouldn't mind going through a complete search if it meant that I could then get part of the ride in the cockpit without anyone worrying!

What I really wish were reintroduced ... is the beloved visit to the cockpit.

Indeed, but those were innocent days. Yet, only a few years ago (long after 9/11 and the associated security paranoia) I had the pleasure of a trip to Greenland. There, on the GL flights (mostly little Dash planes), the co-pilot more often than not openly (over the PA) invited pax to come up and visit the cockpit. Brilliant! If you have the chance, I would strongly recommend a visit (go near midsummer for the best weather): expensive, but absoultely frozen in time!

-- Henry

Not a question but an observation from last two KLM flights:

Not sure if all aircrafts of the type are configured in this way, but I forgot to write down the reg.

B739 - seat 10A has no window
B734 - seats 7A, 7F have no window

Not a question but an observation from last two KLM flights:

Not sure if all aircrafts of the type are configured in this way, but I forgot to write down the reg.

B739 - seat 10A has no window
B734 - seats 7A, 7F have no window

And if I am correct, on the B737-800, row 8 does not have a window.

Not a question but an observation from last two KLM flights:

Not sure if all aircrafts of the type are configured in this way, but I forgot to write down the reg.

B739 - seat 10A has no window
B734 - seats 7A, 7F have no window

I think each of KL's B73x configurations has one row near the front without a window (and possibly others further back - don't know). Maybe somebody can work out an algorithm: R = fn(x), where "R" is the row without a window and "x" is as in 'B73x'. Any mathematicians amongst us?

-- Henry

Values from recent posts:

x R
---
4 7
8 8
9 10

And if I am correct, on the B737-800, row 8 does not have a window.

Only 8A; 8F has a window.

Only 8A; 8F has a window.

That would be similar to B739 where only one side has window blocked in row 10.

Maybe somebody can work out an algorithm: R = fn(x), where "R" is the row without a window and "x" is as in 'B73x'. Any mathematicians amongst us?

-- Henry

Values from recent posts:

x R
---
4 7
8 8
9 10

This algorithm doesn't work when there is only one side window missing per row [and it seems to be on the port side only].

I'm flying to Paramaribo WBC on the MD-11. Looking forward of flying on that beautiful plane. Seat 2 J to Suriname and Seat 2A to Amsterdam. Not so much competition on this route... hope that the service will be up to par.

Hi
Plat US air and Delta.
Anyway to get advance seat assignments on KLM based on us status?
thanks

Hi,

Hi
Plat US air and Delta.
Anyway to get advance seat assignments on KLM based on us status?
thanks

Nope, unless you are flying in business class, it is not possible to get seats assigned before check-in on European routes.

Cheers,

GenevaFlyer

Hi
Plat US air

US Air status will not get you much I am afraid, as they are not partners with KLM [one is Skyteam, the other is Star Alliance..]

Does anyone know the status of installing AVOD onto the 744s??

Flying AMS-PTY & LIM-AMS in Y and looking for some help regarding seat choice - keeping in memory me being 6.3 foot tall.
I could choose 37G on the MD11 - seatguru says it has more legspace but the G seats have the PTV box underneath or I could choose a normal window seat somewhere. What should it be?
On the way back LIM-AMS it's a 777-300ER and 40G is free - again more legspace according to seatguru but the PTV box... so 40G or any other seat?

Can you do the online checkin for the whole journey 30h before departure or just for the first leg when having a Europe-AMS-PTY connection?

Flying AMS-PTY & LIM-AMS in Y and looking for some help regarding seat choice - keeping in memory me being 6.3 foot tall.
I could choose 37G on the MD11 - seatguru says it has more legspace but the G seats have the PTV box underneath or I could choose a normal window seat somewhere. What should it be?
On the way back LIM-AMS it's a 777-300ER and 40G is free - again more legspace according to seatguru but the PTV box... so 40G or any other seat?

Can you do the online checkin for the whole journey 30h before departure or just for the first leg when having a Europe-AMS-PTY connection?

Got the LIM fare I see ! ;)

You can only do online check in for the outbound and connecting 30 h prior flight. Otherwise you can always pay extra for the coveted Premium economy class seats.

I flew the 777 and found the seats very tight and I'm only 6'. The 77W is even tighter by what I was told by the cabin crew.

Got the LIM fare I see ! ;)

You can only do online check in for the outbound and connecting 30 h prior flight. Otherwise you can always pay extra for the coveted Premium economy class seats.

I flew the 777 and found the seats very tight and I'm only 6'. The 77W is even tighter by what I was told by the cabin crew.

Yeah, I'm really looking forward going, never been to Peru. Well I'd love to upgrade to Premium economy but I guess I'll try to survive the flight in the back and spend that money in Peru. Thanks for your help though :-)

We're flying KL602 LAX-AMS in July. We're just casual flyers so yes, we'll be in economy.
Our questions:
1. Do KLM 747-400's have PTV or are the screens overhead?
2. Am sure all seats in econo are tight but please tell me they are a little wider and have just a bit more pitch than ANA. Just came home from Asia and believe me, the last 2.5 hours of the 11.5 hour flight were miserable.

We're flying KL602 LAX-AMS in July. We're just casual flyers so yes, we'll be in economy.
Our questions:
1. Do KLM 747-400's have PTV or are the screens overhead?

Answer in the other thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/klm-flying-dutchman/1068511-klm-747-400s-ptvs-now.html
I believe LAX-AMS is operated by 74M (combi) so chances are that you will still have the overhead screens. If your flight is operated by 744 (full pax) then chances for PTV are a lot higher.


2. Am sure all seats in econo are tight but please tell me they are a little wider and have just a bit more pitch than ANA. Just came home from Asia and believe me, the last 2.5 hours of the 11.5 hour flight were miserable.

I'm 6'2" and find them ok. You can select seats 90 days before departure using manage my booking on the KL (and AF) website. Exit rows become available 30 hours before departure on OLCI - at a cost for pax without KL/AF status.

Hi beauty,

To add to Michiel's answer:

On KL, you can also purchase access to Economy Comfort, which will give you 4 inches of extra legroom. For a long flight, it's well worth it.

Cheers,

GenevaFlyer

Hi beauty,

To add to Michiel's answer:

On KL, you can also purchase access to Economy Comfort, which will give you 4 inches of extra legroom. For a long flight, it's well worth it.

Cheers,

GenevaFlyer

A single from LAX to AMS costs €120 per segment per person. A discount of 50% is given if you are FB Gold or Skyteam Elite Plus and a discount of 25% is given if you are FB Silver.

Answer in the other thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/klm-flying-dutchman/1068511-klm-747-400s-ptvs-now.html
I believe LAX-AMS is operated by 74M (combi) so chances are that you will still have the overhead screens. If your flight is operated by 744 (full pax) then chances for PTV are a lot higher.



I'm 6'2" and find them ok. You can select seats 90 days before departure using manage my booking on the KL (and AF) website. Exit rows become available 30 hours before departure on OLCI - at a cost for pax without KL/AF status.
Many thanks for taking the time to reply and for sharing your knowledge/experiences.

Many thanks for taking the time to reply and for sharing your knowledge/experiences.

For each reported discomfort, the basic substance of advice is to get more (space), pay more. If due to Video equipment placed under the +50% of seats, the passengers are cramped, it makes no sense in asking him to pay extra for an economy comfort seat.

Despite the yoeman service rendered by one of the sites on various aircraft, you may have only one remote chance of getting two adjacent seats for wife and self. On MD 11 seats E & F are the only adjacent seats free of vedio footrest. On A330-300 to get in-sight-in-mind, companions have to sit accross the Aisle, only if the row is aligned.

The aircraft designers have to redesign the video equipment to make the passenger comfortable. Reverse is unimaginable.

For each reported discomfort, the basic substance of advice is to get more (space), pay more. If due to Video equipment placed under the +50% of seats, the passengers are cramped, it makes no sense in asking him to pay extra for an economy comfort seat.

Despite the yoeman service rendered by one of the sites on various aircraft, you may have only one remote chance of getting two adjacent seats for wife and self. On MD 11 seats E & F are the only adjacent seats free of vedio footrest. On A330-300 to get in-sight-in-mind, companions have to sit accross the Aisle, only if the row is aligned.

The aircraft designers have to redesign the video equipment to make the passenger comfortable. Reverse is unimaginable.

For what it's worth, the AVOD equipment does not interfere with my legspace in Y on KL. It does, however, restrict the ability to store bagage there.

You can't have it both ways: AVOD and a seat free of the equipment. I'd rather have the AVOD and less storage space.

This is by the way an issue on all planes, older and new ones.

The aircraft designers have to redesign the video equipment to make the passenger comfortable. Reverse is unimaginable.

Would that be redesigning the passengers to make the video equipment more comfortable? :confused:

-- Henry

Hi

I booked AMS - JFK on 11th and 18th of November with KLM.
The 777-200 will take me there.

I selected seats in row 40 for both flights. According to seat guru those seats should have some more leg room due to the curve in the fuselage. I've seen this onboard a 747 full pax and the seats seemed a bit packed to me. Can anyone confirm that on a 777-200 the seats are indeed a preferable option? Do they have a good window view as well?

Looking at a possible weekend trip to Tripoli in November.

Clicking on a seat map on AMS-TIP leg it opens up a page with 737-700 Privatair in all-biz configuration.

I presume this is just an error on the website?

It shows in on number of days, in both directions.

Hi

I booked AMS - JFK on 11th and 18th of November with KLM.
The 777-200 will take me there.

I selected seats in row 40 for both flights. According to seat guru those seats should have some more leg room due to the curve in the fuselage. I've seen this onboard a 747 full pax and the seats seemed a bit packed to me. Can anyone confirm that on a 777-200 the seats are indeed a preferable option? Do they have a good window view as well?

Anybody with some feedback? Would be highly appreciated.

Anybody with some feedback? Would be highly appreciated.

I cannot comment on the particular seat, but I can give some advice on the flight to JFK.
I presume you are on the first KLM flight of the day [#641].
At the time you arrive into JFK (1600 hours ish) there are many international flights arriving, so I would prefer getting a seat more to the front as that will ensure you more to the front of the immigration queue.
When we flew AMS-JFK in March we were on of the first off the plane [sitting in row 11] and within 5 minutes of us arriving at the immigration queue, it must have literally doubled. It took us just under an hour to get through, so I can imagine the people behind taking longer to get through.

[if you are an American passport / Green Card holder, I presume this would not be applicable to you].

Gajan

Thank you for this feedback Gajan. Yes we'll take the 641. However at this moment row 11 is a economy plus row. We might consider this. How did you enjoyed your flight? Is the 777-200 a nice plane to fly on? I've experienced the 747 and some smaller ones as the 737, a319 and others. This the first time I'll fly on a 777.

They've changed this now to regular 737-700.

Looking at a possible weekend trip to Tripoli in November.

Clicking on a seat map on AMS-TIP leg it opens up a page with 737-700 Privatair in all-biz configuration.

I presume this is just an error on the website?

It shows in on number of days, in both directions.

Thank you for this feedback Gajan. Yes we'll take the 641. However at this moment row 11 is a economy plus row. We might consider this. How did you enjoyed your flight? Is the 777-200 a nice plane to fly on? I've experienced the 747 and some smaller ones as the 737, a319 and others. This the first time I'll fly on a 777.

Normal Economy seat start at row 15, so you could try getting a seat there (or more to the front than row 40).
Flight itself was fine. A meal was served after take-off, a mid-flight snack of ice-cream and a pre-arrival hot cake (honey & almonds) or quiche (mozarella & tomato).

Gajan

Hey All,

This is my first post here, I've been actively reading these forums and have gotten answers for most of my questions! I'm doing an open jaw flight from Toronto through Berlin and back to Toronto from Rome through Amsterdam both ways. My biggest one was whether or not the proposed flight we may be taking will have PTV on, it seems as though pretty much all of the 747s (which service YYZ) will be done by the end of the year as their website claims (shocking!).

Anyway, my question is about emergency exit seats. I've read all about them in that I know where they are on the aircraft and how cold it can get and etc. etc. etc. My question is regarding the price. KLM's website lists the prices for "extra legroom" type of seats are between 20-70 Euro but gives no breakdown of that price. For example, I was looking at Air Canada's website and they breakdown their emergency exit seat cost by the amount of kms flown. You then have the option to chose a route and it would tell you the cost. No such luck with KLM.

Has anyone flown YYZ-AMS or a route with similar distance? Does anyone know how much it would cost? I'm terribly sorry if this question has been asked before, however, I've looked through all the threads on seats and haven't seen this question asked or answered. Perhaps I'm just not looking hard enough! Also, how hard is it to actually land these seats? Are booking your seats the max 90 days ahead really necessary?

Thanks in advance! I look forward to posting here with some regularity as I find this stuff really interesting!

Nick

Does anyone know how much it would cost?

you should be able to pull up your reservation on klm.com ("manage my booking") using your confirmation number and last name (or flying blue account). under "seating", you can change your seat online and see how much each upgraded E seat costs. i believe SFO-AMS was €120 for economy comfort and €70 or €90 (somewhere around there) for exit row.

(i'd paste in a screenshot but i'm too close to check-in, i guess, so it won't let me pull up seating information?)

jon

you should be able to pull up your reservation on klm.com ("manage my booking") using your confirmation number and last name (or flying blue account). under "seating", you can change your seat online and see how much each upgraded E seat costs. i believe SFO-AMS was something like €120 (or was it €170?) for economy comfort and €70 or €90 (somewhere around there) for exit row.

(i'd paste in a screenshot but i'm too close to check-in, i guess, so it won't let me pull up seating information?)

jon

Well, we haven't actually purchased tickets yet, we're not going probably until the new year, maybe spring but KLM has easily been the cheapest for our itenerary so we'll probably book sooner rather than later. I've just been doing prelimenary research. I've actually done this jaunt before on KLM, but did it through a tour group which made all the arrangements. I was just looking for a ballpark and you've done that quite nicely!

Simple question. Which seats have IFE boxes under them in Economy on the 77W?

Without paying, is there any seats that are different in any way or are there any techniques to give me a greater change of having the set next to me empty?

are there any techniques to give me a greater change of having the set next to me empty?

Constantly checking load factors and seatmap. What is your routing?

According to seatguru the Boeing 777-200ER has the equipment boxes on the C, D & G seats in Economy.
No information is available on seatguru on the Boeing 777-300ER, but I would guess it is C and H for the "side" seats and for the middle block there could be two boxes, as I thought the installed equipment boxes can only support 3 seats.

Without paying, is there any seats that are different in any way or are there any techniques to give me a greater change of having the set next to me empty?

After clearing security at AMS [presuming you are departing from there], there are many self-service transfer machines. If you scan the bar-code from your boarding pass there, you have the option of changing your seat. This is normally the best bet to ensure you have a free seat [presuming the gate agent does not seat someone in "your" row afterwards].

Gajan

After clearing security at AMS [presuming you are departing from there], there are many self-service transfer machines. If you scan the bar-code from your boarding pass there, you have the option of changing your seat. This is normally the best bet to ensure you have a free seat [presuming the gate agent does not seat someone in "your" row afterwards].

Gajan

Didn't know that. Very useful, thanks!!! ^

My wife and I are flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur in Economy next January. We have booked seats 15 E & F which are seats in the middle section after Economy Comfort. KLM advise that Economy Comfort seats have double the recline of Economy seats. Can anyone tell me if this will be to our disadvantage when the person in front fully reclines their seat or do the seats compensate for this by providing the first seat after Economy Comfort with slightly more room?

I always wandered this myself. I sure hope there is some extra room, further restricting the 32 inch is just inhuman! :p

Based on my observations, I believe that row 15 does have more legroom to accommodate the extra room from the seat in front. I am not sure if it is the full extra legroom.

I am going to move this thread to the seating FAQ.

Gajan

Hello all,

A long-time reader, first time poster here.

Mid-December I'll fly PVG-AMS in Economy Comfort. When selecting my seat, all of Y+ with the exception of 9C is available.

I currently selected 9A since it is a window seat (which I prefer even though it is a night flight) with the most possible legroom. I just need the reconfirmation that 9A has more legroom than 21A, where the slide in the door blocks legroom. Looking at KLM's Seat Map (www.klm.com/travel/nl_nl/prepare_for_travel/on_board/seating_plans/747-400Combi.htm) and this (www.airliners.net/photo/KLM---Royal/Boeing-747-406M/1383570/L/) picture, it indeed seems so. Seatguru (www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM/KLM_Boeing_747-400_combi.php) however still warns about it, but that might be a default setting. The very helpful "Great KLM Aircraft and Seating Guide" gives both a positive and a negative comment on the seat, but since this was updated in 2009 I am not sure if that one is still valid.

To summarize: I guess 9A is fine, especially after the modification, but would like to see your confirmation or any other views!

Thanks!

Hello all,

A long-time reader, first time poster here.

Mid-December I'll fly PVG-AMS in Economy Comfort. When selecting my seat, all of Y+ with the exception of 9C is available.

I currently selected 9A since it is a window seat (which I prefer even though it is a night flight) with the most possible legroom. I just need the reconfirmation that 9A has more legroom than 21A, where the slide in the door blocks legroom. Looking at KLM's Seat Map (www.klm.com/travel/nl_nl/prepare_for_travel/on_board/seating_plans/747-400Combi.htm) and this (www.airliners.net/photo/KLM---Royal/Boeing-747-406M/1383570/L/) picture, it indeed seems so. Seatguru (www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM/KLM_Boeing_747-400_combi.php) however still warns about it, but that might be a default setting. The very helpful "Great KLM Aircraft and Seating Guide" gives both a positive and a negative comment on the seat, but since this was updated in 2009 I am not sure if that one is still valid.

To summarize: I guess 9A is fine, especially after the modification, but would like to see your confirmation or any other views!

Thanks!

Hello KL895,

As far as I know, they have removed one row in the that section, spacing out all other rows. My guess is that no change has been made to row 9, as that already had more then enough legroom.
Based on that I would say that 9A probably still has reduced legroom due to the slide.
Also remember that it can get cold by the emergency exit.

Gajan

Thanks Gajan.

I've been in 21K before and did not have problems with the cold, so I don't think I have to worry about that.

I'll consider switching to 11D or 11E, unless there is a bulkhaed in front of them? Also, has anyone experienced 14A recently? I know that before the modification, this one had extra space due to the row in front being angled because of the fuselage curvature.

Also remember that it can get cold by the emergency exit.

True enough, and well publicised on sites such as SeatGuru. But, can anybody -- please -- give me a sensible reason why this should be? After all, it's not as if the doors aren't air-tight, or that the cabin air-conditioning/heating doesn't actually circulate the air around the airplane.:confused:

I know (from a friend's experience) that certain areas in Y on - for example - AF A340s can get very cold, but that's because they're right by the aircon unit(s). But why (really, I'm seriously :confused: about this) does it get cold near the exits?

-- Henry

Well tomorrow I will travel to JFK from AMS with KLM.

I just checked in online and the plane has changed from a 777-200 to a 777-300.
I'm still at row 40 (my friends also selected row 40). I hope I still have a good view despite the wing just a few metres up front.

My first time to JFK and my first time onboard a 777!

Hi everyone..!

Tomorrow I will fly from AMS-Mex with KLM and the plane is a 747-combi and I am travelling in economy with award ticket and also I buy a seat in comfort zone that us from row 09 to 14 ( more or less ) and today I make the web-check-in and I was so surprise becuse I check if I can change my seat and the sistem give to me the oportunity to choose a seat from row 1 to 4 ( if you seat the plane seat in these configuration 747-combi ( I was flying many times with KLM in these 747-combi and I know that row 1-4 is Business Class.

Anyone know if KLM use theses rows from Economy class ? row-1-4 in the 747 combi?:(

or it was a mistake from the sistem web-check-in ?:confused:

Any comments?

Tow 1 till 4 is WBC, maybe KL wanted to point out those seats are unoccupied and reservable for the upgrade cost.

Could it be that economy is that far overbooked (with enough space in business) that they use the forward cabin for economy passengers as well? It happened before and it seems logical to allow Y+ passengers to take those seats.

ZUG2007: On a sidenote, I have recently enquired in the Seating Guide about legroom of seat 9A, which I am currenly booked for. Opinions and info seems to vary. If not too much hassle, would you mind seeing if the exit slide blocks the legroom there (like it does in 21A) and post your findings here or in the Seating Guide topic? Would be greatly appreciated!

Hi everyone..!

Tomorrow I will fly from AMS-Mex with KLM and the plane is a 747-combi and I am travelling in economy with award ticket and also I buy a seat in comfort zone that us from row 09 to 14 ( more or less ) and today I make the web-check-in and I was so surprise becuse I check if I can change my seat and the sistem give to me the oportunity to choose a seat from row 1 to 4 ( if you seat the plane seat in these configuration 747-combi ( I was flying many times with KLM in these 747-combi and I know that row 1-4 is Business Class.

Anyone know if KLM use theses rows from Economy class ? row-1-4 in the 747 combi?:(

or it was a mistake from the sistem web-check-in ?:confused:

Any comments?

On some routes, where the C/Y mix is geared towards Y, KL will assign the forward WBC cabin to Y pax with status. You will get the seat but not the service. Grab 1A while you can.

On some routes, where the C/Y mix is geared towards Y, KL will assign the forward WBC cabin to Y pax with status. You will get the seat but not the service. Grab 1A while you can.

:eek: Not bad having a free WBC seat on a 12h flight!!!
Would it have made any difference if he didn't bought EC?

:eek: Not bad having a free WBC seat on a 12h flight!!!
Would it have made any difference if he didn't bought EC?

That'd probably depend on the amount of Plat/Gold on the actual flight. There are 18 seats to fill in the fwd section, and I assume (and that's a difficult one with KL as we know) that they fill the seats in order of (Family & Friends ->) Plat -> Gold with ComfY -> Gold without ComfY paid.

I managed to look at the pax list once when this happened to me and there were I believe only 2 Gold, 16 Plat on the 18 seats on that particular flight...

I managed to look at the pax list once when this happened to me and there were I believe only 2 Gold, 16 Plat on the 18 seats on that particular flight...

Which is good to see the seats were given to the frequent flier members^

Friends of mine booked 40A and 40B on the KLM B777-200ER for their upcoming AMS-SIN flight.

Is this one the best options regarding legroom without paying extra?

Thanks.

www.seatguru.com

www.seatexpert.com

These sites may help your friends... row 40 seems to be good.

www.seatguru.com

www.seatexpert.com

These sites may help your friends... row 40 seems to be good.

Thanks - those are the sites consulted when they chose their seats.

Does anybody have some real experience, actually taking a lonh-haul flight and having those seats?

Would that be redesigning the passengers to make the video equipment more comfortable? :confused:

-- Henry

I always wandered this myself. I sure hope there is some extra room, further restricting the 32 inch is just inhuman! :p

Sorry, I missed these two posts, what is said is absolutely true. With fuel prices rising so fast, the Airlines have only one option to get level, request God to initiate redesign of passengers from now.@:-)

After clearing security at AMS [presuming you are departing from there], there are many self-service transfer machines. If you scan the bar-code from your boarding pass there, you have the option of changing your seat. This is normally the best bet to ensure you have a free seat [presuming the gate agent does not seat someone in "your" row afterwards].

Gajan

Wow this is excellent.

Do you know if this "closes" at a certain time prior to departure?

Route is BUD-AMS-KUL

Do you know if this "closes" at a certain time prior to departure?


As far as I know, you can change your seat via the machine up until the end of boarding by which time you had better be on the plane;)

Gajan

which rows are the IFE boxes located under on the 77W in Y? Would like an aisle seat without one if possible.

As far as I know, you can change your seat via the machine up until the end of boarding by which time you had better be on the planeWhen the flight closes for check-in, you can no longer change your seat either, I believe.

I occasionally check on my way to the gate, just to see whether the seat next to mine is occupied, and have found that this is no longer possible if I leave it until 20 minutes before departure or less.

Johan

I'm flying KLM for the first time in biz Lax-Ams-Lax. Is an upper deck aisle exit row seat better than 2 or 3C downstairs? Just want to get some sleep on the way over and if it's similar to NWA 747's, I usually prefer the upper deck. From the photos, it looks pretty similar. Thanks.

I'm flying KLM for the first time in biz Lax-Ams-Lax. Is an upper deck aisle exit row seat better than 2 or 3C downstairs? Just want to get some sleep on the way over and if it's similar to NWA 747's, I usually prefer the upper deck. From the photos, it looks pretty similar. Thanks.

The biggest advantage of UD exit rows is that you can very easily get out of the window seat due to the extra room. The UD aisle exit rows seats have no place to store bagage/small items (the seat in front is too far away in JK, there is a jumpseat in front of AB) so I prefer the window seat (which has the storage under the window). 77K is the best UD seat in my opinion.

I'm flying KLM for the first time in biz Lax-Ams-Lax. Is an upper deck aisle exit row seat better than 2 or 3C downstairs? Just want to get some sleep on the way over and if it's similar to NWA 747's, I usually prefer the upper deck. From the photos, it looks pretty similar. Thanks.

The biggest advantage of UD exit rows is that you can very easily get out of the window seat due to the extra room. The UD aisle exit rows seats have no place to store bagage/small items (the seat in front is too far away in JK, there is a jumpseat in front of AB) so I prefer the window seat (which has the storage under the window). 77K is the best UD seat in my opinion.

I tend to prefer row 1 downstairs, as it gives you unlimited legroom and you get three windows with view compared to less view from the upper deck exit row windows. As there is no one reclining into you, it is pretty easy to access the aisle.

Gajan

Thanks and I like the downstairs forward cabin a lot but I do need to get some sleep on the outbound and sometimes the FA's tend to get into that closet freqently, if KLM has a closet there too?

I tend to prefer row 1 downstairs, as it gives you unlimited legroom and you get three windows with view compared to less view from the upper deck exit row windows. As there is no one reclining into you, it is pretty easy to access the aisle.

Gajan

Well, if row 1 has unlimited, legroom then 77 has about 10 times that ;)

There is enough room for a normal size handbag between the row 1 seats when fully slippery slopery and the closets, so the person in A can get out of the seat without acrobatics.

There is no recline of a front seat indeed, but that is the same for 77.

I agree about the windows, row 1 has a good view and slightly forward looking. The UD windows are angled so a pretty poor view downward.

Thanks and I like the downstairs forward cabin a lot but I do need to get some sleep on the outbound and sometimes the FA's tend to get into that closet freqently, if KLM has a closet there too?

Indeed there are wardrobes but IME they are not often used by FA's. Mostly for coats and handbagage for row 1 pax who don't have overhead lockers.

Good to know, thanks.

Indeed there are wardrobes but IME they are not often used by FA's.I'll second that. If they are used at all before the FA's return jackets and coats upon arrival, it is by pax who want to rummage around in their bags. Happens rarely.

Johan

flying ams dfw in WBC in about two weeks on an A330, I currently selected seat 1A.. any suggestions about other seats? I'm inclined to believe this is the best seat but then again might be wrong...thankss:cool:

True enough, and well publicised on sites such as SeatGuru. But, can anybody -- please -- give me a sensible reason why this should be? After all, it's not as if the doors aren't air-tight, or that the cabin air-conditioning/heating doesn't actually circulate the air around the airplane.:confused:

I know (from a friend's experience) that certain areas in Y on - for example - AF A340s can get very cold, but that's because they're right by the aircon unit(s). But why (really, I'm seriously :confused: about this) does it get cold near the exits?

-- Henry

The answer has been given in the LH forum (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/15466968-post6.html).

I just need the reconfirmation that 9A has more legroom than 21A, where the slide in the door blocks legroom.

Just to get back to my own question: I've been stubborn and sticked to 9A. Despite the warnings I got I think it's a really good seat. Indeed, if I really streched out (I'm over 1,90) the slide was "blocking" legroom. In a normal position though, there is enough legroom (unlike 21A/K and 35A/K), 2 windows, plenty of overhead locker space and easy access to the seat. Recommended, if you ask me.

Sorry to post slightly OT, but maybe someone who is a KLM insider can answer this.
A few years back there was talk that KLM would start doing a stop over at TSE on their AMS-ALA flight. Is this somehting that is still in the plans?
Thanks a lot for your help!

Airbus A330 seat 7A is good but you have to be careful while onboard services are going on as it is along the passage way.

Is the row 12 regular Economy on KLM MD-11 more cramped because of row 11 Premium economy extra recline?

The question was already asked but no one already answered.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/klm-flying-dutchman/995512-new-klm-economy-comfort-18.html

Next week, I will fly the 772 and 77W in Y. I will try to provide an answer.

The question was already asked but no one already answered.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/klm-flying-dutchman/995512-new-klm-economy-comfort-18.html

Next week, I will fly the 772 and 77W in Y. I will try to provide an answer.

Thanks, will be waiting for your reply.

will be flying with my wife SFO to AMS on a 777-200 in a couple days. I have booked row 1 GJ. Also available 5AC. which one to choose??

Connecting to a Fokker 70, currently in row 1 as well. I am 6'3" (190 cm). How is the legroom since this is a bulkhead?

will be flying with my wife SFO to AMS on a 777-200 in a couple days. I have booked row 1 GJ. Also available 5AC. which one to choose??

Connecting to a Fokker 70, currently in row 1 as well. I am 6'3" (190 cm). How is the legroom since this is a bulkhead?

Row 1 on the B777 has the advantage of no seat reclining in front of you and this makes it easier for the window pax to get out of the seat when fully (for what it's worth) reclined. I'd take it over 5AC.

Row 1 and row 5 have AVOD with screens in the armrests so that makes no difference on KLM.



On the F70, row 1 is ok. Not great but as good or bad as the other first few rows and certainly better than any other seat where the pax in front decides to recline.

If you really want legroom on the F70 book row 11 (emergency exit but Economy) but for these short trips I'm always ok in row 1 - at 6'1".

Note that row 1 in the F70 has limited overhead locker space, the ones above are usually full with safety equipment. That said, KLC often gate check larger carry-on bags on these flights anyway.

I'm on a flight to CUR next week, can someone confirm if the economy seats on the 744 have PTV's? i did a search and read some posts, but i can't find a clear statement/thread which answers my question. i'm not sure if only the 747 combi's have been retrofitted or if the normal 747 also have PTV's in economy class? Also seatguru claims that there are only shared tv's in Y. could someone who recently flew this route/plane confirm?

kind regards ;)

I'm on a flight to CUR next week, can someone confirm if the economy seats on the 744 have PTV's? i did a search and read some posts, but i can't find a clear statement/thread which answers my question. i'm not sure if only the 747 combi's have been retrofitted or if the normal 747 also have PTV's in economy class? Also seatguru claims that there are only shared tv's in Y. could someone who recently flew this route/plane confirm?

kind regards ;)

ALL of KLMs B744s have PTVs now in Y. Enjoy CUR!

Hi
Im flying JFK to AMS next week and I have row 77 in WBC on the 747..I was looking at the pic of the upstairs cabin and was wondering is there a rack for magazines somewhere since there is not seat pocket in front of this seat?
I have read this is the best seat in the house?

Window seats 77A and K have bins under the window for storage. 77B and J aisle seats have no storage. 77J has the bin and rack on the back of 76J but that is too far away across from the emergency exit, the reason why these are the best seats for space (but not for storage). 77B probably has the worst storage because 77AB have the FA jumpseat in front, whereas 77JK have just lots of leg room.

Can somebody please advice which rows in Y on KLM's 772 are "windowless"? Cannot find this information anywhere except seatexpert.com, where it is a bit strange...

Can somebody please advice which rows in Y on KLM's 772 are "windowless"? Cannot find this information anywhere except seatexpert.com, where it is a bit strange...

Looks like row 21 according to Seatguru.

Hi,
thanks for this quite useful thread where I could find the "windowless" rows on B734/B738/B739.

I am adding an information for the B737-700:
Each row has a window (the windowless panel is between rows 6 and 7 but does not obstruct the view).

Quick question regarding EC on KLM - I'm flying from AMS-ATL on 29 Aug on KLM 621. Bought my ticket through DL and upgraded to EC on the way over. For this segment though I am currently in 12A and on the DL website it shows to be normal Econ, but on KLM's site it shows I'm in EC even though I haven't paid again.

So two questions:
1.) is this row really EC?
2.) what is the likelyhood I'm going to be bumped out and my seats changed if so?

Quick question regarding EC on KLM - I'm flying from AMS-ATL on 29 Aug on KLM 621. Bought my ticket through DL and upgraded to EC on the way over. For this segment though I am currently in 12A and on the DL website it shows to be normal Econ, but on KLM's site it shows I'm in EC even though I haven't paid again.

So two questions:
1.) is this row really EC?
2.) what is the likelyhood I'm going to be bumped out and my seats changed if so?

Forgot to mention this is a 777

Quick question regarding EC on KLM - I'm flying from AMS-ATL on 29 Aug on KLM 621. Bought my ticket through DL and upgraded to EC on the way over. For this segment though I am currently in 12A and on the DL website it shows to be normal Econ, but on KLM's site it shows I'm in EC even though I haven't paid again.

So two questions:
1.) is this row really EC?
2.) what is the likelyhood I'm going to be bumped out and my seats changed if so?

1: Rows 10, 11, 12 and 14 are EC on KL's B777.

2: small but not negligible. If not all EC seats are sold or assigned to FB Plat/full fare Y pay then they should become available for free at check-in when pax will be assigned these seats to fill the cabin when the flight is full. If you're in the seat now you have a good chance you can stay there.

Great news - thx!

I'm flying for the first time on KLM from DXB-AMS on Nov. 7th on an award tkt using my DL miles in J class. On the seat map offered on the DL site, it does not show a row 3-4 so I have chosen 5C and aisle/exit row. Is this a good seat for sleeping, not too close to a galley, etc? Seatguru is not much help. It's an MD-11 aircraft. Thanks.

I'm flying for the first time on KLM from DXB-AMS on Nov. 7th on an award tkt using my DL miles in J class. On the seat map offered on the DL site, it does not show a row 3-4 so I have chosen 5C and aisle/exit row. Is this a good seat for sleeping, not too close to a galley, etc? Seatguru is not much help. It's an MD-11 aircraft. Thanks.

WBC on the MD11 has rows 1-2 in a forward cabin and 5-6 after doors 2, so no rows 3-4. Galleys are in between so you're never far away but not to the extend I'd have an issue.

5C should be good, lots of legroom and no issue with the person in 5A climbing over you.

Aside: Seatguru has two seatmaps for the MD11 - I've only ever known the 'version 1' as described above. Anyone has experience on the other?

Aside: Seatguru has two seatmaps for the MD11 - I've only ever known the 'version 1' as described above. Anyone has experience on the other?Nope. Seatguru's "version 2" looks like a 772 to me.

Johan

I will fly with KLM from AMS to KUL in december, I've booked seat 40a and 40b
on their B777-200 which according to Seatguru is one of the better rows in economy with more legroom?

My question is if is anyone have experienced any of these seats in reality? Is it better legroom?

When does KLM release 07J and 08A (the window seats in the bulkhead) in the MD11 for advance seat assignment? Thanks!

When does KLM release 07J and 08A (the window seats in the bulkhead) in the MD11 for advance seat assignment? Thanks!

They should be released 90 days before departure like all seats. Note that these are Economy Comfort seats and therefore only available for Elite+ or for a fee, again from 90 days out.

They should be released 90 days before departure like all seats. Note that these are Economy Comfort seats and therefore only available for Elite+ or for a fee, again from 90 days out.

Thanks, MichielR. That doesn't seem to be the case, though. I'll be flying in 58 days and, as online assignment didn't work, I called the E+ service hotline and was told that those are blocked (unassigned). The same seems to happen with the bulkhead row of AF's B77W in Y.

Anyone know the 2012 Summer schedule for the MD-11s ? Mainly what cities are they going to be flying to?

Hi everybody!

My question is about seat 10A on the Airbus 330-200. I've booked this seat for a long-haul flight but 've been reading that it has a misaligned window. Does anyone know how bad the misalignment is? Is this still a good seat? Thanks! :)

I've done a search for information on KLM Economy Comfort, but I couldn't find any reviews of the best seats on various AC. On the 747-combi are 11DE good? Are they side-by-side, as shown on seatguru and KLM, or is there a space between them, as the seat map on delta.com shows? I will be traveling alone, so that separation would be appealing. Do the seats on the right side (the DE seats) feel claustrophobic with no window? Is row 9 a better option?

I've posted this question on another KLM thread also. Hope that duplication won't annoy anyone.

I've done a search for information on KLM Economy Comfort, but I couldn't find any reviews of the best seats on various AC. On the 747-combi are 11DE good? Are they side-by-side, as shown on seatguru and KLM, or is there a space between them, as the seat map on delta.com shows? I will be traveling alone, so that separation would be appealing. Do the seats on the right side (the DE seats) feel claustrophobic with no window? Is row 9 a better option?

I've posted this question on another KLM thread also. Hope that duplication won't annoy anyone.

The DE seats are not separated but there is a bit of space between the E seat and the adjacent wall of the galley, providing for extra storage space. They are not claustrophobic at all.

The first row of Economy Comfort (9 ABC) is an exit row and has no seats in front reclining. The BC seats have extra legroom; 9A is slightly blocked by the cover of the slide in the door and thus has more limited legroom, but will still allow access without having to step over neighbours' seats.

Can anyone tell me what time 90 days out you can get your seats?. I am leaving LAX AMS, in June. There will be 10 of us flying so I wanted to know can I get the seats just after midnight pacific time 90 days out? Or is the website gaged to East Coast time zone? Any help would be appreciated.

Also I assume you can't get seats 90 days out with intra european flights but what about Amsterdam to Tanzania? Would the 90 days out be gaged to the time zone of the city of departure and you just figure when it is midnight in that city of departure 90 days out?

I thank you in advance for your expertise in this matter.

After clearing security at AMS [presuming you are departing from there], there are many self-service transfer machines. If you scan the bar-code from your boarding pass there, you have the option of changing your seat. This is normally the best bet to ensure you have a free seat [presuming the gate agent does not seat someone in "your" row afterwards].

Gajan

Is this still true?

My wife and I are flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur in Economy next January. We have booked seats 15 E & F which are seats in the middle section after Economy Comfort. KLM advise that Economy Comfort seats have double the recline of Economy seats. Can anyone tell me if this will be to our disadvantage when the person in front fully reclines their seat or do the seats compensate for this by providing the first seat after Economy Comfort with slightly more room?

I'm looking at KL0875 from AMS to BKK for seat selection on the 777-200 and wondering if there is indeed more legroom in row 15 because of the above? Anybody?

Hello!

i need some help....are 2A and 2C good seats on the 737-900?

i dont care about storage. but do they have more legroom?

is the proximity the the toilet bothering? (are the toilets near the cockpit like at the KLM website seat map or near the seats like at the seat-guru seat map)?

help will be much appreciated

In 2C, you can stick your legs partly into the aisle, so plenty of room.

Toilets aren't a bother, as they're up by the cockpit.

-- Henry

In 2C, you can stick your legs partly into the aisle, so plenty of room.

Toilets aren't a bother, as they're up by the cockpit.

-- Henry

and what about 2A ? ( we are 2 people) also more legroom?

Thanks for the help

and what about 2A ? ( we are 2 people) also more legroom?

Thanks for the help

IIRC you should go for 2D and 2F. In front of 2AC there is a row 1, whereas in front of 2DF there is a bulkhead. 2DF and 1AC have not so much more legroom, they have more kneeroom.

The first 10 rows have slightly higher seatpitch than the rest of the plane.

IIRC you should go for 2D and 2F. In front of 2AC there is a row 1, whereas in front of 2DF there is a bulkhead. 2DF and 1AC have not so much more legroom, they have more kneeroom.

The first 10 rows have slightly higher seatpitch than the rest of the plane.

MichielR,

did you mean that 2AC has the bulkhead infront? because according to the seat plan at klm.com (and seatguru) the coat room is infront of 2AC, and 2DF are the rows who have 1DF in front of them

http://www.klm.com/travel/nl_en/prepare_for_travel/on_board/seating_plans/737-900.htm

2AC has the bulkhead infront? according to the seat plan the coat room is infront of 2AC, and 2DF are the rows who have 1DF in front of themThat's correct, but note that KL are planning to remove the wardrobes and install 1AC there instead.

Johan

That's correct, but note that KL are planning to remove the wardrobes and install 1AC there instead.

Johan

i do hope not before 6 of may....(?)

MichielR,

did you mean that 2AC has the bulkhead infront? because according to the seat plan at klm.com (and seatguru) the coat room is infront of 2AC, and 2DF are the rows who have 1DF in front of them

http://www.klm.com/travel/nl_en/prepare_for_travel/on_board/seating_plans/737-900.htm

My mistake alrady corrected by Johan.

i do hope not before 6 of may....(?)I understand the first have already been removed.

Johan

I understand the first have already been removed.

Johan

well..when i choose my seats at klm.com. it doesnt show 1AC. so let's hope for the best..

do they plan to take the coatroom also on 737-900 that are used to flights offering WBC service like TLV?


thanks

Hey

Flew on the 800, closet removed - seat A1 has no window!

flew on the 900, closet is still there...but it seems also A1 after the closet is removed wont have a window

Flying on this aircraft [A330-300] IAD-AMS in a few weeks. It let me select seat 15G for free, despite being marked as Economy Comfort. Was the seat map not programmed correctly for the A333 so as to charge me (I noticed that the middle section of row 15 on the A332 is not Economy Comfort despite the side sections being EC) or is this actually not Economy Comfort?

Through what channel did you reserve the seat?

Flying on this aircraft IAD-AMS in a few weeks. It let me select seat 15G for free, despite being marked as Economy Comfort. Was the seat map not programmed correctly for the A333 so as to charge me (I noticed that the middle section of row 15 on the A332 is not Economy Comfort despite the side sections being EC) or is this actually not Economy Comfort?

row 15 on a 333 is ec however on a 332 it is regular economy(giving though few cm extra). most likely this row is given out as regular economy due to frequent eqpm. change a 333/ a332 on iad

Through what channel did you reserve the seat?

Was booked by my company's travel agent, but I selected that seat on klm.com. I am still able to choose any of the seats in the middle section of row 15.

On the return flight, it also let me select 12G for free. I think I did that on klm.com but I can't recall as I was initially tinkering with the seats on delta.com before I realized that was pointless.

Sorry if this has been asked before but I could not find an answer. I will be flying KLM J class from AMS-SFO and I was wondering if seat 80J is decent or if there is a lot of activity with the closet right across from it. Right now, I'm downstairs in 4J as there is nothing in row 2-3. I would choose row 77 but there is no seat to put my carry-on under but is there a large side compartment? Thanks.

Sorry if this has been asked before but I could not find an answer. I will be flying KLM J class from AMS-SFO and I was wondering if seat 80J is decent or if there is a lot of activity with the closet right across from it. Right now, I'm downstairs in 4J as there is nothing in row 2-3. I would choose row 77 but there is no seat to put my carry-on under but is there a large side compartment? Thanks.

77A and K like all UD window seats have the side bins for storage, large enough for a average size lap-top bag or backpack but not for the 'standard' ie maximum dimensions wheeled suitcase. These should fit in the overhead bins though or else the wardrobe.

Whether in row 4 or 80, you won't really fit anything under the seat in front so don't let that influence your choice of seat. If 77 is available grab it!

Oh, KLM's planes don't have underseat storage? That's good to know and now I will grab seat 77! Thanks.

Oh, KLM's planes don't have underseat storage? That's good to know and now I will grab seat 77! Thanks.

Isn't that pretty much standard in any Biz class these days, as the room under the seat in front of you is where your legrest goes when the seat is fully extended? :confused:

Was booked by my company's travel agent, but I selected that seat on klm.com. I am still able to choose any of the seats in the middle section of row 15.

On the return flight, it also let me select 12G for free. I think I did that on klm.com but I can't recall as I was initially tinkering with the seats on delta.com before I realized that was pointless.

We had an equipment change to a 744 (which I have never ever seen from KLM at Dulles before!) and I went from 15G to 39G...GRRRRR.

On the A332, is there limited recline in Biz seats 7J/H?

On the A332, is there limited recline in Biz seats 7J/H?

I havent got personal experience with the last C row on the A332, but all C seats recline in a shell, so they should be the same in terms of recline?

Not sure if this has been asked before, but on the A330-200 I was wanting to make sure that 1J did have a window. It'll be my first time in business class and I really like being able to see out the window.

Not sure if this has been asked before, but on the A330-200 I was wanting to make sure that 1J did have a window. It'll be my first time in business class and I really like being able to see out the window.

I was on the A332 last week, and 1J did have a window. I'm assuming there are not many variants of their A332. They moved everyone in business class behind the galley to in front of the galley (rows 1-3) because there was so few of us in business class.

They moved everyone in business class behind the galley to in front of the galley (rows 1-3) because there was so few of us in business class.I hope they did this because they needed the seceond J cabin to seat Y pax, not for the convenience of the cabin crew. I would be none too pleased if they crammed all the J pax together for the latter reason.

Johan

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but what type of airplane is a 73H? A 737-800?

I hope they did this because they needed the seceond J cabin to seat Y pax, not for the convenience of the cabin crew. I would be none too pleased if they crammed all the J pax together for the latter reason.

Johan

They did give us the option, but it was a nonissue to us, because the front part was still not 1/2 full, and it was a day flight. The whole flight wasn't but probably 50-75% full.

I hope this is the right place to ask this question, on Cityhopper F70 and EMB190 will I be allowed to take a bag 50x20x35 in to the cabin or will they take that off me at the gate? I will be travelling in Y with FB Gold status.
Thanks.

I hope this is the right place to ask this question, on Cityhopper F70 and EMB190 will I be allowed to take a bag 50x20x35 in to the cabin or will they take that off me at the gate? I will be travelling in Y with FB Gold status.
Thanks.

It should be OK, unless the flight is full with a lot of people travelling with a lot of hand luggage.

It would appear that KLM took away the benefit for Elite members that they can always carry hand luggage when travelling KLC a while back.

Hi
Can anybody help me to confirm that there is a window on 10a?
A photo would be nice.
I will be traveling from Ams to Kul in a 777 300er and i like to se out of the window.
Even if there sometimes is a window seat ther is NO window.

Thanks

Just booked KL604 LAX - AMS, MD 11 flight.
Any tips on economy seat selection? Row 12, just behind EC, is that any good? Or will you end up with a reclined seat in your face, even more than behind a normal economy seat?
I've read somewhere seat 34 might be good as well, due to the curve of the fuselage the row is at angle providing some more space (just like row 40 on KLM's 777-200, experienced that, indeed nice).

I am traveling AMS-EZE in June. On the return leg I upgrade my seat online to the extra legroom/exit row seats. Initially I chose 31J but have heard that the seat does not have a window and has the emergency exit slide in front thereby restricting legroom. Not having travelled with KLM on this aircraft before can anyone confirm whether this true. If there is no window I may consider upgrading further to Economy Comfort. Any help would be gratefully received.