Korean Air Skypass - KE aircrafts refurbishing and delivery plan

2010 will be KE's another very active refurbishing year. Yay. Source: KE travel agent website (kalmate.co.kr)

Nomenclature:
Old F: around 150 degree recline, 2-2-2 seating
Sleeper F: previously morning calm F. 180 degree, 2-2 seating
Kosmo F: currently newest F. 180 degree, 1-2-1 seating
Newer F: will be wider, 180 degree, 1-2-1 seating

Old C: around 140 degree recline, 2-2-2 (330) or 2-3-2 (772) seating
Prestige+ C: currently newest C. 170 degree, 2-3-2 (772/744) or 2-2 (744 upper deck) seating
Newer C: will be 180 degree, same seating with prestige+


Current status:
747: out of 21 747 passenger aircrafts,
6: Kosmo F, Prestige+ C, AVOD FCY
11: Sleeper F, Prestige+ C, AVOD FCY
3: Old F/C. To be converted to cargo
1 combi: Old F/C. To be converted to cargo

772: out of 18,
9: Kosmo F, Prestige+ C, AVOD FCY
9: Old F/C, PTV for FC only

773: all 4: Old F/C
332: all 3: Old F/C
333: all 16: Old F/C

Refurbishing schedule:
For all future refurbishing plan, I'm not sure which product will be fitted (although most likely newer F/C will be). Also I'm not sure if Y will have AVOD or not (although most likely Y will also have it). Just not clearly stated on my source. F/C will surely have AVOD once refurbished.
2009 (later this year): 3 772
2010: 6 772, 4 773, 3 332, 9 333 !!! Exciting
2011: 7 333
Then, all widebodies will be upgraded by 2011.

Delivery schedule: All widebody new planes will be most likely have newer F/C with AVOD on all classes.
2009: 3 77W
2010: 3 77W, 1 380, 2 332
2011: 3 77W, 4 380, 2 787, 2 332
2012-14: 3 77W, 5 380, 8 787, 2 332

i posted this already in a thread i started but...

you think these are the new Y seats? this is on a refurbished 777-200ER LAX to GRU

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3625/3428333132_dfba2946b3.jpg?v=0

Does anyone know which configuration 747 is being used for NRT-ICN currently? I'm flying it this summer and was wondering....

you think these are the new Y seats? this is on a refurbished 777-200ER LAX to GRU

I don't have lots info about Y class for now. All I know is KE has some room to improvement Y seat, in terms of comfort.

Does anyone know which configuration 747 is being used for NRT-ICN currently? I'm flying it this summer and was wondering....

Hi. You can pull up seatmap at expedia.com, and compare to seatguru to figure out which configuration will be used, although it might be changed. At this point, app. 1/3 of NRT is old config, while 2/3 chance to have new one. On summer, if economy gets better, so KE utilizes aircraft to maximum, then more chance to confront old config on short hauls.

Well I have a seat on the upperdeck, which is still 2-2, so I guess I meant which types of seats rather than the configuration. It matches up with version 1 on seatguru, but is there any way to tell if the seats will have been updated by that pt? Does version 1 refer only to the remaining three that haven't been updated?

i wonder whats taking so long for korean air to refurbish all their planes. my guess is that they're waiting until they officially launch the new products for all three classes with the launch of the 777-300ER...then they'll add it on A380 and newer aircrafts...then eventually on the older aircrafts.

Well I have a seat on the upperdeck, which is still 2-2, so I guess I meant which types of seats rather than the configuration. It matches up with version 1 on seatguru, but is there any way to tell if the seats will have been updated by that pt? Does version 1 refer only to the remaining three that haven't been updated?

If it matches version 1, that is old configuration, the remaining three. This version carries 40 more passengers than refurbished one, and NRT-ICN route is extremely busy right now, so version 1 makes sense. But KE swaps aircrafts a lot for short or medium hauls depend on booking situation or many other reasons.

i wonder whats taking so long for korean air to refurbish all their planes.

Yeah. It took for a while to choose which type of seat to fit for next set of refurbishing work or maybe AVOD product. It seems that personal TV and equipment box become cheaper, lighter, and smaller year by year. Now they confirmed most things, and I'm glad to hear that finally next year will be a huge turning point.

Anybody know what the equipment lineup will be for this fall? I'm flying ORD-ICN-ORD in October and was wondering what aircraft to expect. Last year was 777-200ER, but last weekend I saw a 747 landing at ORD. Seemed odd to me, as I thought they only ran the 747 during peak season. Thanks in advance.

korean air needs to refurbish their seat colors in economy. maybe something that matches more with the exterior color and flight attendant uniforms. the blue and mocha don't look good together. so random

Any insight on which routes might be getting refurb a/c and how early in 2010 the A333's might get hit? (**cough, cough** DPS-ICN in Feb.)