Newsstand - FEDEX crash at Narita March 22

Apparently Fedex plane crashed and is burning at Narita. Sketchy details...

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/T155026.htm

http://tv.dee.cc/jlab-maru/s/maru1237759357761.jpg

Yikes!

That photo (second link) shows the fuselage fully inverted. That isn't good at all.

CNN showing video of actual crash.

Looks like severe winds.. it bounced the plane a couple of times before listing to the left..

Oh dear. Hopefully the crew managed to escape !?

Wow. That is a scary video. Just switched to CNN to catch it. Not a very good day for aviation today. My thoughts to all those involved.

Wow. That is a scary video. Just switched to CNN to catch it. Not a very good day for aviation today. My thoughts to all those involved.

Can't find it on CNN.com yet.
All they have so far is:
"(CNN) -- A FedEx airplane ran off a runway at Tokyo's Narita airport in Japan and burst into flames Monday, an airport official confirmed.

No other details were immediately available"

OK, now some more info: (edit)

"A FedEx airplane ran off a runway at Tokyo's Narita airport in Japan and burst into flames Monday, an airport official confirmed.
Images from Tokyo's Narita airport showed the scene from the cargo plane bursting into flames.

Images from Tokyo's Narita airport showed the scene from the cargo plane bursting into flames.

Strong winds may have played a role in the crash, said Masaru Fujisaki, an airport official. The status of the pilot and co-pilot was not immediately known.

Video from the landing showed the plane bouncing at least twice on the runway before bursting into flames. The fire destroyed the aircraft.

The plane crashed at 6:50 a.m. (5:50 p.m. Sunday ET), according to Japan's Kyodo news service.

The cargo plane arrived from Guangzhou, China, and was manned by a two-person crew, according to Japan's transport ministry.

The plane landed on Runway A, the longer of Narita's two runways, Kyodo "

They captured the actual crash on video, and it looks very bad. Keeping my fingers crossed that the crew managed to survive somehow.

the only video link i could find is this one (http://news.tbs.co.jp/newseye/tbs_newseye4089545.html) (about 20 seconds in). it's in japanese but it really doesn't look good-hoping the crew survived

http://atdhe.net/tv/watch_cnn.html

I am in Japan watching TV.

TV said police had confirmed 2 of 2 crew members dead.
NRT's main runway, "A" , is closed.
TV Asahi reports there will be some divertion to HND, NGO for JL, SQ, GA flights.

Video from TBS.
http://news.tbs.co.jp/newseye/tbs_newseye4089545.html

V from NNN
http://www1.ntv.co.jp/news/wmtram/dw/ng.html?m_url=090323011&n_url=131528

My condolences for the crew and their family :(

Most JL flights today show as "Cancelled" and the majority of the rest show as "Indefinite". It will be one hell of a day at NRT... and might take days to sort out.

Very Sad.

Scary Video.

CNN Clip up on YouTube with crash 11 seconds into clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-OQKdmwOv4&feature=player_embedded

It is grainy and hard to see. For those unable to check out video:

-Looks like main gear down first.
-Nose gear seems to touch down hard and fast
-Nose gear then appears to bounce upward, with main gear and whole plane going airborne
-Next, nose gear seems to come down again, this time ahead of the main gear
-Main gear comes back down a second time.
-Nose gear bounces back up a second time.
-At this point plane is already rolling left.
-Second nose gear bounce is so high there is a tail strike
-At the time of tail strike the roll makes it look like the left engine and possibly the entire left wing strikes the ground.
-Plane continues to roll left
-At this point the plane has rolled 90 degrees, right wing is pointing straight up, and massive flames are coming out of the aircraft (my guess is from the fact that the left wing at this point is completely destroyed so any and all fuel left in it ignited.)

All that is only 10 seconds on the clip - and the clip is in slow-mo.

Wow.. thats one scary landing with some bouncing.:(

My condolences to the pilot's family.

Reminds me of Sioux City Iowa.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/boeing-dc10-crash-landing-at-sioux-city-airport/3289760694

NHK has just uploaded a video clip.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/t10014907671000.html
If you cannot play it,click "動画形式を変更する" to choose an encoding format of your choice.

It reported the victims' names. They are reportedly US citizens.

Pilot ケビン・カイル・モスリー(54)
(Kevin Kile Mosley ?? Sorry, I am a non-native)

Co Pilot アンソニー・ステファン・ピノ(49)
(Anthony Stephan Pino ??)

My condolences for them and their family..

It also reports on expected delays and cancelations for JL,KE,NW,VS,BA,etc...

Reminds me of Sioux City Iowa.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/boeing-dc10-crash-landing-at-sioux-city-airport/3289760694

Actually, it reminds me of the upside down Fedx MD11 crash at EWR a few years ago.

Our condolences to their immediate and extended families.

A very tragic event. Causing many delays and diversions to airport all around Japan.

Actually, it reminds me of the upside down Fedx MD11 crash at EWR a few years ago.

That looked like another MD11 in the vid. That would be the 3rd or 4th MD11 crash like this one. I can think of 3. Not sure if there were more.

Actually, it reminds me of the upside down Fedx MD11 crash at EWR a few years ago.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0UBT/is_35_13/ai_55624487

A very bad year for the aviation so far :(

One thing crossed my mind since this was a FedEx plane, what happens to the freight / express mail (assuming most of it is gone) ?

Is there any insurance involved ?

A very bad year for the aviation so far :(

One thing crossed my mind since this was a FedEx plane, what happens to the freight / express mail (assuming most of it is gone) ?

Is there any insurance involved ?

Yes, I would think all the contents are insured by Fed Ex.

Our condolences to their immediate and extended families.

Every time I see a crash, it's a reminder that planes don't fly themselves, there are professional pilots at the controls and sometimes things can go wrong in a hurry when you are flying 300,000 lbs of metal through the sky. My condolences to their families. :(

My condolences for the crew and their family :(

Most JL flights today show as "Cancelled" and the majority of the rest show as "Indefinite". It will be one hell of a day at NRT... and might take days to sort out.

Yeah, terrible news! :( I can't believe it what happening the plane is crashing into NRT today. So NRT will have to shutdown immediately due to fatal plane crashes. So my condolence with his family. So I'm sure the runway will be shutdown for all day long. Instead, one-runway will be remains opening until further notice.

That looked like another MD11 in the vid. That would be the 3rd or 4th MD11 crash like this one. I can think of 3. Not sure if there were more.

Are you absolutely sure it was MD11, am I correct?

Actually, it reminds me of the upside down Fedx MD11 crash at EWR a few years ago.

Oh yes, I remember that one. It was many years ago FX is crashing into EWR but, what is situation going on in EWR doing? I'm sure it will be more cautions due to extremely high headwind gusts.

Are you absolutely sure it was MD11, am I correct?

Looks very much like an MD11. The engine through the tail and the 744 style winglets make it very probable.

All models of planes crash. But the MD-11 definitely has a high incident of flipping-over when it crashes. The FedEx one at EWR in 1997, the Mandarin Airlines (China Airlines) at the new HKG in 1999, and this one.

The DC10/MD11 family has always seemed to be problematic. Not one of my favorite aircraft. I am glad they have all been retired from major US carrier usage.

All models of planes crash. But the MD-11 definitely has a high incident of flipping-over when it crashes. The FedEx one at EWR in 1997, the Mandarin Airlines (China Airlines) at the new HKG in 1999, and this one.

Yeah, yeah. I saw it on the TV where its has happening the plane is almost takeoff and flipping back landing down into NRT. I can't believe it what happening in NRT today. It was absolutely terrible news for FX. :(

Yeah, this is it. What happening in EWR by 12 years ago. It was crashes due to severe snowstorm in EWR. So isn't very extremely high headwinds gusts?

The video of the landing was horrific. With nothing but the deepest sympathy for the two pilots who were lost in the crash, it is extremely fortunate that the airframe involved in this landing was a freighter, not a passenger hull.

This crash is eerily reminiscent of the one at EWR in 1997, not only because both crashes featured FedEx MD-11s in landings gone awry, but also because of the manner of the crash. Here (http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2000/AAR0002.pdf) is the NTSB accident report from that crash.

The video of the landing was horrific. With nothing but the deepest sympathy for the two pilots who were lost in the crash, it is extremely fortunate that the airframe involved in this landing was a freighter, not a passenger hull.

This crash is eerily reminiscent of the one at EWR in 1997, not only because both crashes featured FedEx MD-11s in landings gone awry, but also because of the manner of the crash. Here (http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2000/AAR0002.pdf) is the NTSB accident report from that crash.

Yeah, NTSB will have more investigations where they will be traveling to NRT immediately. I'm sure if they will figure it out what happening FX is crashing into NRT today. I am felt sorry to hear for loss of both pilots is gone. So unfortunately, NRT will be shutdown for today until further notice.

Yeah, NTSB will have more investigations where they will be traveling to NRT immediately.

Has Japan asked the NTSB to respond? Do they have authority to investigate on foreign soil without a specific request?

"Wind shear" may be one of the cause.

Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport mentioned it on a press conference.

RIP. My condoleances.

In this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7958367.stm) BBC article NRT spokesperson mentions wind as a possible cause.

CCTV footage in this link.

So unfortunately, NRT will be shutdown for today until further notice.NRT is not shutdown, only one runway (16R/34L) is shut down. Operations on the shorter runway (16L/34R) continue. 3 of my relatives were on 3 aircraft which were arriving NRT today from the U.S. 2 of them arrived as scheduled, the 3rd ended up at HND. They were all on 777-200s.

Has Japan asked the NTSB to respond? Do they have authority to investigate on foreign soil without a specific request?

afaik, operator, manufacturer and country of accident are all involved. Particularly the latter two

"Wind shear" may be one of the cause.

Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport mentioned it on a press conference.

Not sure about that, the MD11 had a tendancy to nose pitch up on spolier deployment. The aircraft seems to land normally but then the nose pitches up and it climbs again, then the pilot seems to give a pitchdown input to the aircraft rather than holding the flare and the fps sinkrate will be massive, most likely collapsing the MLG and destroying the wing. Seems to be a repeat of EWR again. Of course, thats my no-data backed opinion.

Thoughts are with families

afaik, operator, manufacturer and country of accident are all involved. Particularly the latter two

AFAIK, the investigation is purely done by the country where the accident occurred. In many - but not in all - cases, the later two are invited as "observers". You can compare the situation to a car crash. If the driver comes from, e.g. UK, drives a car which manufacturer comes from, e.g. Germany, and has a car accident in France, then the investigation is done by French Authorities and not by UK or German ones.

Has Japan asked the NTSB to respond? Do they have authority to investigate on foreign soil without a specific request?

Since it was a plane operated by a U.S. Company, NTSB hasa right to get involved. I suppose they might have to ask for permission. The country of the site of the accident should not deny request by an investigation team from the country of ownership. Manufacturer also has a legitimate interest. If the crash involved a non, U.S. aircraft, NTSB would not get involved unless, U.S. citizens were involved, U.S. cargo was involved, or NTSB was asked to help in the investigation. FBI team flew to Mumbai soon after 11/26. India welcomed their involvement.

Since it was a plane operated by a U.S. Company, NTSB has a right to get involved. ... If the crash involved a non, U.S. aircraft, NTSB would not get involved unless, U.S. citizens were involved, U.S. cargo was involved ...

Since when does the NTSB have the right to perform a legal investigation in a foreign country? Which country would allow that by default?

I suppose they might have to ask for permission. The country of the site of the accident should not deny request by an investigation team from the country of ownership. Manufacturer also has a legitimate interest. If the crash involved a non, U.S. aircraft, NTSB would not get involved unless, U.S. citizens were involved, U.S. cargo was involved, or NTSB was asked to help in the investigation.

Now you just void the argument you made before. :confused: What should be done in order to honor all legal interests is one part of the story. What the authorities of a country decide is another one. It is purely to the decision of the country where the crash occurred since these investigations are nothing else than a legal/criminal investigation. Here, US right does not apply at all.

BTW: I, personally, expect Japan to invite the NTSB.

FBI team flew to Mumbai soon after 11/26. India welcomed their involvement.

The FBI was asked by Indian Authorities to join the investigation.

Reading more on this matter.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/foreign.asp

If an accident or serious incident occurs in a foreign state involving a civil aircraft of U.S. Registry, a U.S. operator, or an aircraft of U.S. design or U.S. manufacture, where the foreign state is a signator to the ICAO Convention, that state is responsible for the investigation. In accord with the ICAO Annex 13 SARPS, upon receipt of ICAO Notification of the accident or serious incident, the NTSB designates a U.S. Accredited Representative and appoints advisors to carry out the Obligations, receive the Entitlements, provided Consultation, and receive Safety Recommendations from the state of occurrence.

Japan has highly trained investigators with lots of experience, it's just a matter of how much help they would really need from the NTSB. My view from this is the NTSB involvement will be pretty minor other then providing some additional backround data on the aircraft and similar aircraft accidents, with much of the actual investigation being done by Japanese investigators.

Looking at past cases involving US made aircraft in Japan, the NTSB refers readers to the Japanese Aircraft and Railway Accidents Investigation Commission site for anyone seeking more details.

Not sure about that, the MD11 had a tendancy to nose pitch up on spolier deployment.

Thanks for the reply, globalste.

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Looks like these Canadian high schoolers have to overnight at NRT.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/zoom/20090323-OYT9I01021.htm

Yomiuri reports all the hotels in Narita city got booked up by 4pm.

Asahi reports 200 NW pax from US diverted to NGO have to overnight at NGO.
This may be the biggest impact to flyertalkers.
(Some of them on picture. Article in Japanese)
http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0323/NGY200903230013.html
It says a passenger complains that NW gives him only $10 for dinner:(.

Guys, read ICAO Annex 13 if you want to know the rights etc of NTSB to get involved.

NTSB, Boeing, and FedEx will be invited to join the investigation group to collect factual data and to provide professional opinions. However, the final analysis and conclusion of investigation report will purly be written by Japan Transport Safety Board (previously called Aircraft and Railway Accidents Investigation Commission "ARAIC").

NRT is not shutdown, only one runway (16R/34L) is shut down. Operations on the shorter runway (16L/34R) continue. 3 of my relatives were on 3 aircraft which were arriving NRT today from the U.S. 2 of them arrived as scheduled, the 3rd ended up at HND. They were all on 777-200s.

Ah, ok! I see it. I thought they didn't have shutdown the airport due to fatal plane crashes into NRT by yesterday. I thought the plane is returns back to NRT and almost the plane is took off the runway.

What a terrifying video! Can you imagine waiting at the gate for your flight and seeing that unfold before your eyes?

Worse yet, imagine being on the outdoors observation deck and seeing this unfold before one's eyes.. imagine the children.. the trauma. :(

Sanosuke!

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/03/24/324229/tokyo-narita-runway-reopens-following-fedex-crash.html

This is news came in today. NRT will have to reopened main runway. They already removed the fatalies plane crashes. So I'm sure JL and along others airlines will have reinstated back into NRT instead of another Japanese airports.

What a terrifying video! Can you imagine waiting at the gate for your flight and seeing that unfold before your eyes?

On Japanese TV, a man said that he felt as if he had been experiencing an earthquake. Another man said that he felt "wind" even though he was in a terminal building.


This is news came in today. NRT will have to reopened main runway.


At 09:10 JST, they did.

Flight info at NRT at a glance
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/flight/today.html

Hi all,

Here the information where I found something onto emails from my friends. So here you can read it whole information about MD-11 history. Here it is:

http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq9.htm

Hope you will enjoyed reading the information where you can see. You actual can see what happening MD-11 crashes into EWR but, both pilots were escaped off the aircraft. It was really lucky for both of them. That's why it was too many problems on operate MD11 aircraft. So thanks for your concerns.

Regards

NTSB, Boeing, and FedEx will be invited to join the investigation group to collect factual data and to provide professional opinions. However, the final analysis and conclusion of investigation report will purly be written by Japan Transport Safety Board (previously called Aircraft and Railway Accidents Investigation Commission "ARAIC").

The binding findings are written by the JTSB, however, dissenting groups are usually allowed to present their alternative. See Roselawn (American ATR) and Ida (Comair EMB-120).

Cheers,

-Andrew

So have authorities determined the cause? Wind shear?