Las Vegas - 14 21 year old males in Vegas

So my son and a bunch of his friends are going to vegas around march since they will all have turned 21 by this time. Although I'm not quite sure how I feel about this trip (I hope he doesn't leave me broke :eek: I'm sure it will come out fine.

But they are trying to figure out there accommodations. None of them I would say are financially hurting, so a bunch of them are curious on suites. Is there a suite in vegas that sleeps 14 guys, or would they be better off just renting 4 rooms at a strip hotel. Right now I think they are budgeting around 3500/night for all 14 of them. Any advice is tremendously appreciated.

A budget of 3500/night does not need one suite. Heck, you can get a suite for each of them at that rate. Any of the hotel suites will work, i.e. Encore Wynn, Venetian/Palazzo, The Hotel, etc.

(I hope he doesn't leave me broke :eek:

Simple: he doesn't get to take any of your credit cards (or checkbook, though that seems so... 20th century). You can always load up a Visa or Mastercard debit card with a fixed amount of money if you wish to contribute something to his guys' getaway weekend.

But if he's over 21, make him pay his own way, it'll be good for his character.

:)

14....21 year old males on the loose?

Man.. am I glad I am.....12657 kilometres from LAS! :D:D

(I'll save ya the trouble... 7911 miles give-or-take;))

The way Vegas is going right now, have them make an offer to buy a hotel....it might be cheaper.

Simple: he doesn't get to take any of your credit cards (or checkbook, though that seems so... 20th century). You can always load up a Visa or Mastercard debit card with a fixed amount of money if you wish to contribute something to his guys' getaway weekend.

But if he's over 21, make him pay his own way, it'll be good for his character.

:)

X2, and this is coming from a 28 year old ;)

does that 3500 a night include bail money or "escort" fees? That is really over the top. Two to a suite won't even cost nearly that much, just about anywhere.

Simple: he doesn't get to take any of your credit cards (or checkbook, though that seems so... 20th century). You can always load up a Visa or Mastercard debit card with a fixed amount of money if you wish to contribute something to his guys' getaway weekend.

But if he's over 21, make him pay his own way, it'll be good for his character.

:)

The op should just hand over their Black Amex to the boys and let them have some real fun.

Vegas needs a little boost to its economy.

What they were hoping for was for all of them to be able to stay in one very large suite. However I'm guessing a suite that size doesn't exist? If so is it possible to have 3 or 4 connecting suites anywhere?

be sure to have them watch/catch the dos & don'ts in lv b4 they go because if they plan to hit a few clubs, those clubs will not let 14 guys w/o girls in.

Maybe I misread, but I got the impression that the $3500 was to cover ALL 14 guys, so $250 per person per night. I haven't been to Vegas in years, but I'm not sure that will get each guy his own suite. Certainly should allow for solid accommodations, though.

Can I go too?

The MTV Suite at the Palms might work, but the web site shows it running around $5K and night.

Maybe I misread, but I got the impression that the $3500 was to cover ALL 14 guys, so $250 per person per night. I haven't been to Vegas in years, but I'm not sure that will get each guy his own suite. Certainly should allow for solid accommodations, though.

Weekday rooms at all-suites hotels are going for, on average, $159, usually less.

What they were hoping for was for all of them to be able to stay in one very large suite. However I'm guessing a suite that size doesn't exist? If so is it possible to have 3 or 4 connecting suites anywhere?

MGM Grand Skylofts (http://www.mgmgrand.com/accommodations/skylofts-lofts-suites.aspx). What I want to see is the look on the staff faces when they see 14 young men filing past them to a room. :p

from ~$3500/nt >

* palms place - 2BR suite + 2BR penthouse D
penthouse has cantilever plunge pool with glass wall >
http://www.palmsplace.com/img/accommodations/gallery/windamere_6.jpg

* skylofts - 2 3BR, after virtuoso/FHR discount (maybe 1 renovated, 1 unrenovated - unrenovated has terrace and elevator.)

you might try negotiating with revenue manger on rates/extras as well.

Put em up downtown. The classic El Cortez is ~ $30 / room / night. When they're paying their own way, they can graduate to a strip property.

I will call the different hotels and see what they can offer as far as that goes. The Palms looks like a pretty good deal and its supposedly a younger crowd from what I have heard?

Not that I really care to much, but this present is basically what all of these kids are getting for there 21 birthdays. They just all agreed to wait until the last one of their group turned 21. So in October when my son turned 21 he got absolutely nothing from me, on the contingency that I would pay his way to Vegas and I know most of the other boys are in the same deal. Is that really that bad of a deal:confused:

Weekday rooms at all-suites hotels are going for, on average, $159, usually less.

When you say "all-suite hotels", are you talking about upscale properties, or something like a Clarion "all-suites" hotel? Like I said, I haven't been to Vegas in years. $159 for a suite sounds odd, especially by NYC standards.

I just stayed at THEHotel @ Mandalay Bay through FHR for $99/night. This included $100 spa credit per stay, $40 breakfast vouchers each day, guaranteed 4pm checkout, free wifi. The suites here are two rooms with 1.5 baths, 750 sq feet, not like a penthouse suite or anything but a legit two rooms.

When you say "all-suite hotels", are you talking about upscale properties, or something like a Clarion "all-suites" hotel? Like I said, I haven't been to Vegas in years. $159 for a suite sounds odd, especially by NYC standards.

:D, yeah I'd say they would be better than Clarions. Here are some links:

The Palazzo (http://www.palazzolasvegas.com/accommodations.aspx)
Venetian (http://www.venetian.com/Accommodations.aspx?id=60)
Encore at Wynn (http://www.encorelasvegas.com/site.cfm?s=B#/homepage/)
The Hotel at Mandalay Bay (http://www.mandalaybay.com/accommodations/THEhotel.aspx)

What they were hoping for was for all of them to be able to stay in one very large suite. However I'm guessing a suite that size doesn't exist? If so is it possible to have 3 or 4 connecting suites anywhere?

Such a suite may exist, but if I owned or managed a hotel, I'd run the other way before renting it to a group of 14 "barely 21" males.

Conceiving just how unprepared for adulthood and the current economy and job situation these 14 must be is tough. If a number like $3500 per night is not only in circulation, but hasn't raised more than hackles among one or more of the parents apparently footing the bill, I'd be concerned as to the joint and several common sense of the two groups.

:D, yeah I'd say they would be better than Clarions. Here are some links:

The Palazzo (http://www.palazzolasvegas.com/accommodations.aspx)
Venetian (http://www.venetian.com/Accommodations.aspx?id=60)
Encore at Wynn (http://www.encorelasvegas.com/site.cfm?s=B#/homepage/)
The Hotel at Mandalay Bay (http://www.mandalaybay.com/accommodations/THEhotel.aspx)

Pretty nice. I knew Vegas was known for giving away hotel rooms to earn one's "gambling dollar", but this is kind of amazing.

Is that really that bad of a deal:confused:

Live and let live. If that's what you want to get them, go for it.

I think Palms would work for them, and would be a better match for their attitude than Venetian/Wynn/Skylofts. Or, get a bunch of side-by-side suites at Planet Hollywood.
Also, I think that the Palms management will be more open to that large of a group of 21 year old guys than most of the resorts with suites.

Really, where they stay is the least important aspect of the trip. I am 23, and unless I am there with my girlfriend, the room is a place to stumble to at 4AM. The year I was 21 I went to Vegas 5-6 times...sometimes with a large group, sometimes with only a friend, and have stayed on the strip, off the strip, in awesome strip suites, in crappy downtown singles, and everything in between. For a birthday trip of that many guys, get cheap rooms and save the money for booze, food, and the bribes they will inevitably have to pay if they want to get into any clubs with a less than 1:1 ratio Guy:Girl.

As long as the room(s) is/are easy to get to and has enough bathrooms and beds, they'll be happy.

I second briankoenig's suggestion. Give them $$ for booze etc... since that's far more important than their room.

palms place 2BR penthouse D with pool >
http://www.palmsplace.com/img/accommodations/rooms/windamere_floorplan.jpg
(pretty sure it has sofabed)

palms place 2BR suite >
http://www.palmsplace.com/img/accommodations/rooms/2bedroom_floorplan.jpg

skylofts 3BR >
http://www.skyloftsmgmgrand.com/html/Images/bedroom3_29floor.jpg
http://www.skyloftsmgmgrand.com/html/Images/bedroom3_30floor.jpg

get an amazing suite for at least 1 night.

They went ahead and booked the 2br penthouse at palms and another 2br suite. They were also threw in a few other freebies such as vip access to some things. Not sure how far it will go but at least they have a place to stay now. And the hotel had no problem renting to 21 y/o males. They're getting paid so why bother who is in the room?

Put em up downtown. The classic El Cortez is ~ $30 / room / night. When they're paying their own way, they can graduate to a strip property.

Yeah, have them buy up an entire floor or two! I have pleasant memories of the El Cortez. I used to be able to play Blackjack there when I was 15 years old, and if you went to their training casino a block away (The Western, I think), they'd often pay you off on pushes and such. :)

They went ahead and booked the 2br penthouse at palms and another 2br suite. They were also threw in a few other freebies such as vip access to some things. Not sure how far it will go but at least they have a place to stay now. And the hotel had no problem renting to 21 y/o males. They're getting paid so why bother who is in the room?

As long as they have a credit card for a damage deposit. :)

And the hotel had no problem renting to 21 y/o males. They're getting paid so why bother who is in the room?

I wasn't expecting the age to be the issue, I was expecting the occupancy (and possible damage) to give the management pause.

Many times hotels have a maximum allowable occupancy per room. Congrats on finding a hotel that didn't mind 7 per room. They're going to have an absolute blast.

palms place 2BR sleeps 8
2BR penthouse D should sleep 6, with sofabed

skylofts 3BR sleeps 8, max occupancy has been 12 IIRC, not sure of current

Max on the 3 bdrm LOFT is 9 per Valerie. Personally, the SkyLOFTS would be great as they are well equiped to set up nghtclub arrangements (bottles or guestlist). The Palms has nice suites but the clubs their are over. I would maybe consider the 4 bdrm absolut suite at Caesars but, get a good travel agent and you should be able to negotiate the Skyloft to 3-3500 if they speak with the director of luxury sales. Beyond that I would consider a Lago at the Palazzo (2 bdrm) for 1600/night. But, they do not have that great of a concierge team. I think 200 pp/night is resonable given some ppl have larger budgets. However, they should expect to spend 150-200 pp/club night if they get bottle service.

skylofts 3BR starts at $1700 after 15% virtuoso/FHR discount.

so theyre saying 9 now for 3BR? i presume 6/7 for 2BR? seems to vary...

lago is bookable? what else? a rep told me that nothing besides published are bookable when i called.

Absoulte suite at Caesers-It was amazing and amazingly expensive at $8,500 a night id imagine the 4BR penthouses are even more.

Beyond that I would consider a Lago at the Palazzo (2 bdrm) for 1600/night. But, they do not have that great of a concierge team.

I've had very good experiences with the Palazzo concierge team, and specifically my "personal" concierge. And, I'm a bit of a pain in the a**. Of course, YMMV, but my last 3 stays at Palazzo have exceeded expectations.

One more vote for focusing less on the room and more on booze, food, and clubs. Because they really won't spend much time in the room. Unless they're planning to hit the liquor store and drink in the room. But that defeats the purpose of being in vegas.

With that in mind, i'd vote for the 1br suites in THEHotel at Mandalay. You can get two queen beds plus the couch and ask for a rollaway bed for the living room too. That means four people without having to share beds...four rooms at $160 a night = $640 a night, probably closer to $800 after tax and perhaps some nominal fee for the rollaway. That means they can almost afford a solid meal at one of the steakhouses.

If they are set on getting the suites at the Palms (a fun and young place), make sure to negotiate VIP access to the clubs (Ghostbar, Playboy Club, and Rain). And by VIP access, I mean no line and no cover. Otherwise they'll have to get really lucky to see the inside of the clubs or have to show up at 10:00

In fact, if they are clubbers, i'd start with what clubs they want to go to and then stay wherever that club is and negotiate VIP entrance.

One more vote for focusing less on the room and more on booze, food, and clubs. Because they really won't spend much time in the room. Unless they're planning to hit the liquor store and drink in the room. But that defeats the purpose of being in vegas.

my response to comments along these lines >

http://www.palmsplace.com/img/accommodations/gallery/windamere_6.jpg

these kinds of suites are considered "party suites" for a reason. :cool:

To book a Lago you need to call and ask for banquet reservations. To book the 3 and 4 bdrms you need to call someone else to have them released but they are higher I think penthouses are around 5 but Ive been told 3K before. I'm in my mid-20's and would NOT stay at the palms or go to there clubs unless they are having a sleepover event. The clubs on the strip are simply better in terms of ambience, crowd, and vibe. XS will open next week in Encore. Tao, LAVO, Pure, Tryst, and LAX are the top club right now. The Bank caters to a bit older clientelle as does Tryst. I would go with SkyLOFTS and have a very good agent negotiate with luxury sales. The women who runs that division is great.

youre saying paiza suites are bookable? :eek:

Lago ... 3 and 4 bdrms ... penthouses

Is there a list of these "unbookable" suites or pictures? I love dreaming about the day when I can afford it (or they put me there while I play) ^

The Lago's and above are casino controlled. They can be released upon request for revenue if they are not needed. I have not stayed in a Paiza but, I have been quoted 5K for penthouses. There are better values to be had. Personally, I like the SkyLOFTS team alot. Although most properties have VIP Service Teams do a very solid job. The Venetian's is good but, really geared for their casino guests as are the others. For the posters original question a $3500 budget total room and everything else per night is going to downgrade their accomadations. Vegas is hurting though so I have heard that a party of 10 getting table service quotes for 1200 with tax and tip at some of the better clubs. But with all guys they may need to do 1500 all in.

Is there a list of these "unbookable" suites or pictures? I love dreaming about the day when I can afford it (or they put me there while I play) ^

Travel agents can forward you pics. I have seen a few pics of paiza and others and chairmans. I think a lux pub featured the paizas a while back.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://luxury.luxemont.com/articles/chairman3.intext.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.luxevegas.com/featured-article.php%3Fcid%3D202759&usg=__dVSNKtWkxUO-y0AOkLSVzhY6mF0=&h=150&w=193&sz=32&hl=en&start=23&um=1&tbnid=aof_XLNJIe4GfM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvenetian%2Bpaiza%2Bclub%2Bvegas%26sta rt%3D21%26ndsp%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

I agree with the recommendations to focus more on the alcohol and food than the room. Then again, I don't know the OP's situation and they may have a big budget for partying.

Last time I went to Vegas for a bachelor party, we got a table at Pure. 10 guys. Didn't have any problem getting in. I believe the minimum was 4 bottles. We ordered 5 and the bill came out to over $3,000.

ahhh this brings back memories of being 21 again and in the Real World Suite at the Palms with 2 ladies in the hot tub... your boys will have a blast!

I enjoy all the recs on hotel accomodations and parties and what not, however their is party budget that is substantially bigger than the room budget. I know they are going to have one hell of a time when they get there. Should I call the palazzio and check on the suites that have to be released by management?

why isn't your son or anyone in the group doing the planning & checking themselves? are you or any over 25 adults going to be there, not to chaparone, but to have credit card or will any of them have a credit card for incidentals?

If you want 2 Lagos then yes. If you want a suite that will sleep all 14 then its out of their budget and I would contact your travel agent. Really a 2 bdrm skyloft is much nicer than a Lago. The Lago has a media room, pool table and elliptical. Skylofts have everything and more but the elliptical. The 4 bdrm stoli suite at caesars may work but personally i think its to colorful. Unless your getting a 2 bdrm pent (equivalent to booking a mansion) go with the skylofts. I will say that their pents are better equiped than the bells villa minus a pool though. Depending on the weekend I usually see the 3 bdrm lofts running 6-10. You should book 2 two bdrms at 12-1800 in that case and hope for an upgrade if they won't discount. You should NOT book direct but through a travel agent who books via FHR b/c they are not allowed to bump those reservations contractually. It sounds like they have a very healthy budget. If they book skylofts, give the pre-arrival coordinator the instructions on where to set up reservations and make specifications like at pure to sit on the stage, and at Tao to sit in the moat section, tryst ask for the dance floor tables. They will also have access to vip block seating for shows and they wont have to deal with large party contracts to get tables at restaurants.

why isn't your son or anyone in the group doing the planning & checking themselves? are you or any over 25 adults going to be there, not to chaparone, but to have credit card or will any of them have a credit card for incidentals?

They are probably looking at $1k/night/person. I'm not 25 but, would not have asked my parents to foot a bill like this or wanted one of them tagging along. Someone should collect all the money upfront bc collecting later may not happen (friendships have ended) bc one person is probably going to pay the check (they are not going to want split a check 2 ways let alone 14 at a club). So I'm assuming your son is on your black card or atleast has a amex plat. I would always plan my own trips but, its was hard to find friends (even at an uppity east coast school) who all would have access to that much disposable income. If your son is not yet 21 he probably doesn't know about the clubs their and he should have the conversation with Valerie.

My son is already 21 but this will be his first trip to vegas as a legal patron. No, no adults will be tagging along but a check is being paid before hand by all kids going. More than likely the bill will go on his card to begin with but I'm not positive. I kinda want it too (more MR points for me) but several of the kids going have acces to to parents Cent cards. One dad is even letting the kids use his plane to get there and back. I get the feeling this will be one vacation to remember. I wish I had gotten when i was 21...say 30something years ago :rolleyes:

I could afford a trip like this at 21 (and took it actually), but I was working 70-80 hrs a week. Not sure my dad would've seen the humor in my asking him to pay for it :p

As a guy who has been to Vegas over 10 times this year, I question the value of a suite. Would a guy who is shelling out $250 a night be ok with sleeping on the floor because that's where he would be sleeping if the pool their funds and go for a suite. Although I very much enjoy a great room or suite in Vegas, my sleeping quarters are simply where I do just that. I'd rather spend less and have more $ for other activities.

Although it sounds like you trust your son, which is fantastic 14 twenty one year olds are bound to have trouble find them early and often. (which is not a bad thing as long as it isn't too costly and they don't end up in jail) In Vegas, as we all know, it's all about the odds. There are odds in Vegas already that 75% of them already have it in their minds that their first stop will be one of t he legendary gentleman's clubs and 50% are already making plans in their minds for a trip to the chicken ranch.

That said, I hope they don't go to either of those places but I do hope they have a blast.

My son is already 21 but this will be his first trip to vegas as a legal patron. No, no adults will be tagging along but a check is being paid before hand by all kids going. More than likely the bill will go on his card to begin with but I'm not positive. I kinda want it too (more MR points for me) but several of the kids going have acces to to parents Cent cards. One dad is even letting the kids use his plane to get there and back. I get the feeling this will be one vacation to remember. I wish I had gotten when i was 21...say 30something years ago :rolleyes:
make sure the check clears first :D and wow! their own private jet? the people at the airport probably thinking that they are all high rollers. ;)

I highly doubt that the people at signature will flinch. Although the Marquis Jet girls will certainly fawn over them. Sounds like things are in place for a good weekend feel free to PM me if you need contacts for the director of luxury sales at the MGM, Venetian or Wynn.

I dont mean to bring up an old thread but just got done reading. Sounds like a blast. I want to know how it went??