Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - SQ or LH C to FRA from NYC

Old SQ C seats and current LH C seats.....which is better or are they equal?

same same , ski slope model:td:

I hear ya!

Not much of a difference IMHO. I would just take the flight the suits your schedule. SQ25 departs at 9pm while LH405 departs 45min later and LH401 at 3:50pm. Personally I prefer to leave as late as possible so LH405 would be my natural choice.

SQ F :)
though, LH C isn't bad, i liked it last time i flew them. didn't know SQ C is the same though..hence SQ F!

Jut consider that the SQ C is really old and in a bad (purple ish) colour

Again it's a matter of taste but IMHO SQ has better food and drink. To my taste anyway.

Shofar

Seat wise: LH
Service wise: SQ

I'd go for SQ.

Loungewise in JFK: SQ

Hello,

I want to book a flight from FRA to JFK. Which airline should I choose for a business class seat: LH (LH400; A330) or SQ (SQ26, B747)?

thx, MC

Standard answer would be:

FRA-JFK: LH
JFK-FRA: SQ

Otherwise, in depends on your preferences...

I would go for Lufthansa LH400, because:
- I do not like getting up that early ;) (SQ leaves at 8:20, LH at 10:45)
- you do get 25% Executive bonus on LH ^
- German language skills on board

Seatwise I have no preference really, since it is a "short" daytime flight and I can enjoy LH as much as SQ, pricewise they are close as well.

I would go for Lufthansa LH400, because:
- I do not like getting up that early ;) (SQ leaves at 8:20, LH at 10:45)
- you do get 25% Executive bonus on LH ^
- German language skills on board

Seatwise I have no preference really, since it is a "short" daytime flight and I can enjoy LH as much as SQ, pricewise they are close as well.

Yipes, if FRA-JFK is "short" for you, I'd like to know your travel habits to see what you consider "longish"... :rolleyes:

Yipes, if FRA-JFK is "short" for you, I'd like to know your travel habits to see what you consider "longish"... :rolleyes:

I also consider these FRA-JFK, BOS, EWR and IAD flights as short. Especially from the US to FRA. I just flew BOS-FRA and after the cabin crew was done with dinner in Economy we had only 3,5 hours left before arrival in FRA.

Yipes, if FRA-JFK is "short" for you, I'd like to know your travel habits to see what you consider "longish"... :rolleyes:

NRT-JFK would be a longish flight

TATL hops are on the short side

NRT-JFK would be a longish flight

TATL hops are on the short side

SFO to SYD on UA is extra long and painful:D
However, TATL can be long too: FRA to SFO or LAX

NRT-JFK would be a longish flight

TATL hops are on the short side
I generally agree. FRA-JFK and in particular the return are short flights. The overnight flight is even to short to get a long enough sleep IMHO.

However, TATL in general is not always on the short side, when it comes to destinations like SFO/LAX/MEX. For example MUC-LAX on a A343 can be easily 12 hours in the air.

I generally agree. FRA-JFK and in particular the return are short flights. The overnight flight is even to short to get a long enough sleep IMHO.

However, TATL in general is not always on the short side, when it comes to destinations like SFO/LAX/MEX. For example MUC-LAX on a A343 can be easily 12 hours in the air.

yes, I agree. I was mostly referring to East Coast - D/CH flights which are my main routes.

I generally agree. FRA-JFK and in particular the return are short flights. The overnight flight is even to short to get a long enough sleep IMHO.

I got some decent sleep on my last EWR-FRA by making the seat flat, and use eyeshades and earplugs as soon as we were off the ground. Worked remarkably well. I asked the crew for a second and third pillow before that I placed strategically to make sure the light and noise were as good as possible isolated from the light and noise.

I wish LH would do a BA-style sleeper service on these routes..

And I also concur that I'd generally prefer longer routes to be a littler more relaxed. Give me DEN over IAD for connection everyday, even if that means a couple more hours travelling.

Yipes, if FRA-JFK is "short" for you, I'd like to know your travel habits to see what you consider "longish"... :rolleyes:

FRA-JFK is pretty short compared to other flights.

I'd consider "longish" e.g. the following ones I do more or less frequently:


EWR SIN
SFO SYD
ORD NRT
DXB JFK


I mean JFK-FRA can be one third of EWR SIN in case of favorable winds... so pretty short. ;)

Yipes, if FRA-JFK is "short" for you, I'd like to know your travel habits to see what you consider "longish"... :rolleyes:I also consider these FRA-JFK, BOS, EWR and IAD flights as short. I generally agree. FRA-JFK and in particular the return are short flights. The overnight flight is even to short to get a long enough sleep IMHO.
BOS to FRA is just a hop. Most East Coast TATL flights are short, IMHO.....MIA is sorta in between.

I live in Calif, and when booking TATL, I always try for SFO/LAX-FRA. I avoid itineraries that stop in IAD/JFK/etc since that makes for such a short flight.

I got some decent sleep on my last EWR-FRA...
Same here on my IAD-FRA and BOS-MUC flights this year. But I usually try to fall in sleep mode 5 minutes after take off. Whereas from west coast the flight is long enough to enjoy the dinner service.

Hello,

I want to book a flight from FRA to JFK. Which airline should I choose for a business class seat: LH (LH400; A330) or SQ (SQ26, B747)?

thx, MC
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Lounge: I've not used the LH lounge at JFK, but the Oasis lounge used by SQ C passengers is quite average.

Seat: Much of a muchness

Time: The SQ seat leaves too late for me. I flew SQ F JFK-FRA in October. After a slight delay and a long wait to take off, it was almost 22.45 before the meal service started.

I almost fell asleep before the end of service!

Yipes, if FRA-JFK is "short" for you, I'd like to know your travel habits to see what you consider "longish"... :rolleyes:

Of coure it is a short flight. Same as SIN-MEL or SIN-NRT. After Lunch half of the flight is over. Take a nap and you are there. And certainly too short to get decent sleep on the return ( I sleep really well on planes and hate to be woken before I had my 8 hours).

Cheers, S

Time: The SQ seat leaves too late for me. I flew SQ F JFK-FRA in October. After a slight delay and a long wait to take off, it was almost 22.45 before the meal service started.

I almost fell asleep before the end of service!

What a nightmare, falling asleep on a short TA hop :rolleyes:

Lounge: I've not used the LH lounge at JFK, but the Oasis lounge used by SQ C passengers is quite average.


The old LH business lounge (and SEN section) were nothing to get excited about. Currently, they've closed and travelers are redirected to other lounges which is even less exciting.

The Oasis is very basic, but provides a comfortable place to wait for the flight and a few snacks and soft drinks. It has wine that could pass as grape juice.

What a nightmare, falling asleep on a short TA hop :rolleyes:

My sentiments exactly.

I find the SQ seat to be softer, farther from the floor (less likely to be disturbed by passing FAs/pax), and the food to be much yummier. Plus, I love the late departure time for sleep.

Is it realistic to reach by cab to LH405 leaving from JFK 9.45pm, when leaving Times Square around 7.15 pm ? Flying in business, is there fast track security too?

Is it realistic to reach by cab to LH405 leaving from JFK 9.45pm, when leaving Times Square around 7.15 pm ? Flying in business, is there fast track security too?

Check-In (C/Cl) is closed 60 min before departure. A cab usually takes about 50 minutes from midtown to JFK, but it depends on traffic. Especially in the evenings the Grand Central Pkwy and the Van Wyck Expy to JFK are crowed and also the junctions with the Long Island Expy, and the cab stucks in traffic jam.
And there is also very slow traffic in the streets around Times Square in the evening.

If You get on the cab on time at 7.15 it should work, but expect some sweating during your ride :)

taigatrommel

I haven't flown JFK in more than a year but last time the C/F security line was actually the extra security line and very slow.

Shofar

I haven't flown JFK in more than a year but last time the C/F security line was actually the extra security line and very slow.

Shofar
this might be a late post already but.....
the F/C security line usually works and I think it should be ok at the time of the departure, you are missing the peak time between 3-7pm when it is the worst time to depart form T1.....
if you leave the 42nd street around 715 I can not even imagine the madness at that time...I do not know how many bags u have but my sugesttion would be to get over closer to the 59th street bridge and then take the cab over....you could easily spend 30 to 40min if the traffic is bad to coress form west to east side
..i live in nyc and leaving at that time I would not trust the trafic, in theory you need to be at the airport by 845pm to check-in/drop off the bags (if you have not done otherwise online or on the tel)
I hope everything goes ok