Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer - SIA Seoul/Vancouver becomes red eye from March 2009

Starting 08MAR09 SIA is re-timing its 3 weekly Singapore - Seoul - Vancouver flight. The new service will be a night-time service (afternoon departure from Singapore)

03NOV08 - 07MAR09
SQ018 SIN0950 - 1710ICN1815 - 1055YVR 772 146
SQ017 YVR1230 - 1655+1ICN1755+1 - 2335+1SIN 146

Effective 08MAR09
SQ018 SIN1530 - 2250ICN2355 - 1735YVR 772 146
SQ017 YVR1900 - 2225+1ICN2325+1 - 0500+2SIN 772 146

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/2008/10/sia-re-times-seoulvancouver-from-march.html

Also, Seoul service is being reduced from 20 to 17 weekly from 01FEB09 to 28MAR09

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/2008/10/sia-reduce-seoul-flight.html

Starting 08MAR09 SIA is re-timing its 3 weekly Singapore - Seoul - Vancouver flight. The new service will be a night-time service (afternoon departure from Singapore)

03NOV08 - 07MAR09
SQ018 SIN0950 - 1710ICN1815 - 1055YVR 772 146
SQ017 YVR1230 - 1655+1ICN1755+1 - 2335+1SIN 146

Effective 08MAR09
SQ018 SIN1530 - 2250ICN2355 - 1735YVR 772 146
SQ017 YVR1900 - 2225+1ICN2325+1 - 0500+2SIN 772 146

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/2008/10/sia-re-times-seoulvancouver-from-march.html

Also, Seoul service is being reduced from 20 to 17 weekly from 01FEB09 to 28MAR09

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/2008/10/sia-reduce-seoul-flight.html

Looks like they're going to curb some of the routes in favor of opening/adding frequencies to other cities..

That change will be valid for the summer timetable 2009 as well?

Thanks!

That change will be valid for the summer timetable 2009 as well?

Thanks!

Summer schedule begins 08MAR09.

Uuuups.
Thanks, thought in the end of march would be the change.

Uuuups.
Thanks, thought in the end of march would be the change.

You're right the first time: the northern summer timetable begins 29 March 2009.

The YVR change coincides with the beginning of US and Canadian DST, but the time changes in North America no longer drive the beginning or end of "summer" schedules for most of the world's airlines -- the shift to/from DST in Europe governs.

The new schedule is quite interesting. The first midnight departure for north America, from ICN. Also the first, or at least very rare, red-eye flight to southeast Asia, from ICN. I guess Korean passengers prefer current schedule.

Hopefully it will not have a major impact for connecting pax from YVR to YYZ.

Hopefully it will not have a major impact for connecting pax from YVR to YYZ.
Unless you like long stopovers and another red-eye, then yes. Unless you can disembark, clear customs, and get to your new gate in 5 minutes. :) I know FT are fast but this would be a world record.

I'm assuming that SQ is either trying to serve YVR final destination paxs or possibly ICN pax (O&D) with these new times.

With the new schedule it is now possible to connect to and from other cities in SE Asia an maybe even down under without an overnight in Singapore.
I connect to cities in SE Asia 3 to 4 times a year out of YVR via SIN and always need to spend the night in Singapore for connecting flights, which I actually enjoy but adds to the cost of doing the trip.
Now it is possible to get onward connections to almost anywhere and also connecting with the flight to YVR or ICN will be much easier now from cities all cities in the region.

I really appreciate this change and look forward to flying it.

Now why wouldn't SQ introduce more flights as per their open skies agreement? Ok so ICN-YVR is capped at 3x a week. With SE Asia-YVR connections, surely SQ can justify a nonstop using 77W on some other days?

Now why wouldn't SQ introduce more flights as per their open skies agreement? Ok so ICN-YVR is capped at 3x a week. With SE Asia-YVR connections, surely SQ can justify a nonstop using 77W on some other days?


That's what I have been thinking too, especially since most of their 3 flights a week out of YVR seem to be very well booked in both classes.
I think the biggest problem with the 77W is it has 3 class configuration.
There is virtually no market for 1st class out of YVR.
Could the 77W do SIN-YVR nonstop? Especially YVR-SIN in the winter months might be a challenge.
In the days when the A340 used to fly into YVR First Class was sold as Raffles Class.
They must figure that they can make better use of the 77W in higher yield markets.
Personally I would love to see the 77W come to YVR, what better way to fly to SE Asia and spend 19hours on a plane then SQ's new business class seats.

Does SIA seriously expect to turn a full 777-200ER (disembark, unload bags and cargo, cater, clean, load bags and cargo, board, close doors, do whatever that needs to be done and leave in an hour and a half? Boarding alone takes up about half the time. Totally unrealistic in my opinion.

Does SIA seriously expect to turn a full 777-200ER (disembark, unload bags and cargo, cater, clean, load bags and cargo, board, close doors, do whatever that needs to be done and leave in an hour and a half? Boarding alone takes up about half the time. Totally unrealistic in my opinion.


Maybe they haven't thought of that? :rolleyes:


There's a certain amount of padding in the schedule so it will no doubt be arriving early much of the time.

And that's enough time to do the turn-around anyway.

Does SIA seriously expect to turn a full 777-200ER (disembark, unload bags and cargo, cater, clean, load bags and cargo, board, close doors, do whatever that needs to be done and leave in an hour and a half? Boarding alone takes up about half the time. Totally unrealistic in my opinion.

For YVR, it is possible as the late afternoon is a slow time for international flights.

Does SIA seriously expect to turn a full 777-200ER (disembark, unload bags and cargo, cater, clean, load bags and cargo, board, close doors, do whatever that needs to be done and leave in an hour and a half? Boarding alone takes up about half the time. Totally unrealistic in my opinion.

SIA has been doing this turn around in 1.5 hours for many years now and the flight usually goes out on time.
And right now the flight is arriving and leaving at peak times here in Vancouver.
Arriving at 10:55; Departing at 12:30.

If there is one airline you can set your watch after here in Vancouver, it's SQ.
Even sometimes when the flight comes in 10 or 20 minutes late from Singapore, they still manage to get it out on time, or just a few minutes late.
You rarely see delays on SQ here that you see on other carriers.

Do they vacuum the carpet during this uber-short turnaround? I have carpet allergies (so do many people-and carpet has the mysterious ability to hold on to and never let go of all types of allergens) and it would take me about 3 seconds in the air to notice the carpet hasn't been vacuumed.

If they can disembark, unload bags and cargo, cater, clean, vacuum, do safety checks, load bags and cargo, board 300+ pax and push back a 777/747/A380 within an hour and a half, that's great, more power to them. I hate when they don't vacuum especially for a 12 hour flight. You want me to pay $1350 to sit in allergens for 12 hours?

I always thought that you'd need at least 2 hours on each end to turn a plane of that size.

They turned around an A380 in 100 minutes before.

They turned around an A380 in 100 minutes before.

:confused:

But that's in Singapore. We're talking about Vancouver airport services.

Wasn't the A380 100 minute turnaround done in Sydney on the initial SIN-SYD-SIN A380 schedule?

In any event, SQ also has turnaround times of about 1.5 hours for the 77W for flights to CDG, FRA and ZRH.

In my flights from SUB-LAX, transiting through TPE/NRT usually has a 1 hour turnaround.. Now those are only transits though.. So I'm not quite sure.. (They used 77W and 772s)

:confused:

But that's in Singapore. We're talking about Vancouver airport services.

That was in SYD which like YVR is also an outstation.