Gaming Loyalty Programs - Pass, or don't pass?

Please discuss...

Pass. Craps is a social game, and betting against the crowd defeats the purpose. If I wanted to bet against my fellow players I'd play poker, which is much more profitable.

Pass. Craps is a social game, and betting against the crowd defeats the purpose. If I wanted to bet against my fellow players I'd play poker, which is much more profitable.

My answer exactly.

Only time I play Don't Pass is when someone really pisses me off.

My answer exactly.

Only time I play Don't Pass is when someone really pisses me off.
I use the second-roll Come bet for such people.

basically Pass-Line.

I played the don't for around a year, as an experiment (mostly @ Argosy Indiana). It really gets rather boring. If you have the patience and nerve; the doey-don't or Patrick systems can bring you very small grind profits --- but, neither really interested me very much. (I hate grinding, just don't have the patience)

As many have said, Craps is about the action and socializing.

Only thing I'll add, is that Craps presents some great opportunities to really seize the moment when you have a hot shooter. This might involve going up on more numbers and pressing multiple bets. If you are on the don't --- you basically just sit on the sidelines waiting for the 7-out (and having an extra Don't-Come is hardly going to add very much to the excitement).

When I get to a dice table, I'll often just place bet the 6 and 8 for a while, until I feel comfortable. I never go up on the pass-line right away, as I pretty much always believe in taking full odds behind the line; and that can be a real killer on the bankroll. I prefer to just take things slow. The beauty of dice is the incredible amount of betting opportunities. You just need to learn to capitalize on those opportunities at the right time. ;)

Pass Line. Stickman smirks or fondles the dice and passes a 7 to the shooter and then how sweet it is when the shooter throws the point ^

The important thing is not whether you bet right or wrong, but whether the cocktail dress of the girl on your arm matches the stone in your pinky ring.

QL

I'm with everyone else...craps is a social game...pass line all the way.
I had the honor of playing next to a hot shooting, chain smoking, just married bride last weekend in Las Vegas...
She was making us lots of money.
For me its all about the energy of the table, and I follow the bets that the others are making.

I'm with everyone else...craps is a social game...pass line all the way.
I had the honor of playing next to a hot shooting, chain smoking, just married bride last weekend in Las Vegas...
She was making us lots of money.
For me its all about the energy of the table, and I follow the bets that the others are making.

Happy and newbie shooters at a craps table = $,$$$ ^

Happy and newbie shooters at a craps table = $,$$$ ^

CONCUR.

I save the DP for when my friend is shooting. :p

As a just retired craps (and blackjack) dealer, I gotta tell you that the stickperson (nor any of the other casino workers) should really care. If the stickperson is passing the dice with a seven showing to a right-way bettor or with the point number showing to a wrong-way bettor, (s)he probably isn't expecting a tip from that player.

Playing craps is about socializing. People in general don't like to be the first person to come to a dead craps game.

I've dealt to a whole table full (about ten people) of don't-pass bettors and they were having a ball yelling for the seven-out. A right-way bettor came to the table and they booed him away. The crew catered to them. We rooted for the seven because the players wanted the seven. And they tipped us.

Dave C.
(but I'm happy to be done with it, at least for now)

When I used to go to Vegas with Mrs. 500 and we were playing craps at the same time we would occasionally bet the don't pass when the other one was rolling just to annoy them :D

When I used to go to Vegas with Mrs. 500 and we were playing craps at the same time we would occasionally bet the don't pass when the other one was rolling just to annoy them :D

My wife bets against me when I bank on Pai Gow Poker. (Its so she can play the fortune bet.)

When I used to go to Vegas with Mrs. 500 and we were playing craps at the same time we would occasionally bet the don't pass when the other one was rolling just to annoy them :D

My wife bets against me when I bank on Pai Gow Poker. (Its so she can play the fortune bet.)

We've got one guy in our AC crew who we call row; anyway, he can't roll to save his life. @ Showboat in AC, there were 5-6 of us at the table, and a few other folks. Anyway, as soon as row gets the dice, we all immediately go up on the DON'T. Actually, I also put $ on the "3" --- yeah, he hit the "3" immediately. Then, point --- and 7 out within 2 rolls. I've said we should just go up on the DON'T for table maximum when row is shooting, as it's as close to a sure thing as you get @ the dice table. :D:D

BTW, this is a video of that session (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVb9Zjxj_A); I'm stick left (Celtics Rondo shirt) --- This was a piece of amazon's lousy roll (right when we got to the table) -- but, we made it up a bit later, with my lovely ladies and one other unknown shooter's rolls.

CONCUR.

I save the DP for when my friend is shooting. :p

CONCUR....but I thought this thread was about craps.

CONCUR....but I thought this thread was about craps.

:D:D

Short Answer: Pass (same reason as already given, craps is a social game and unless most folks are betting Don't Pass, it's just not the same).

I have used the Don't Pass pretty effectively a few times in small craps tournaments, obviously in that case you're playing against the other players anyway, so conventional wisdom goes out the window.

Pass with an equal bet on the Come when a point is established. Sometimes it works. Sometimes, I get my head taken off in 3 rolls.

I almost always pass. A very rare exception would be someone who is annoying me, and I will discreetly place a pile on the don't pass. My favorite was this dude that bet both, or course he had to deal with myself, the pit boss, box and stickman goofing on him for the duration.

OK, here is a strategy I read about on the net. Play Don't Come. Then place the number for equal amount. If the number hits, then you get the "odds". If a 7 hits, you break even. BORING.

50 AA miles to first person to identify the MAJOR flaw with the stategy in previous post.

Craps as a social game? Interesting concept.....one that has never crossed my mind.

My understanding was that you couldn't place bet the point. That's what the odds are for on a pass/don't pass bet.

My understanding was that you couldn't place bet the point. That's what the odds are for on a pass/don't pass bet.

Most people don't place the point because they are playing the pass line as part of the game. However, if you approach a game with a point established, you can place the point at any time.

Some will place the point if they are on a double odds game to increase their bet amount.

Some don't play the pass line at all and just play place bets-including the point.

Not only can you place the point, you can also make a pass or come bet after the point is established, along with odds. This is called a "put" bet.

QL

50 AA miles to first person to identify the MAJOR flaw with the stategy in previous post.

Craps as a social game? Interesting concept.....one that has never crossed my mind.

I'm going to assume that's a 7 on the initial roll costing you everything?

My answer exactly.

Only time I play Don't Pass is when someone really pisses me off.

Ditto. When wrong-ways turn right-way when it's their dice, I turn wrong-way. Pretty much sure $$$ :cool:

Buying the 4 or 10 will turn nice dividends on a hot shooter.

Buying the 4 or 10 will turn nice dividends on a hot shooter.

especially, if you can buy the 4 or 10 in increments of $39 (or $35) for only a $1 vig on the win! ;)

Short Answer: Pass (same reason as already given, craps is a social game and unless most folks are betting Don't Pass, it's just not the same).

I have used the Don't Pass pretty effectively a few times in small craps tournaments, obviously in that case you're playing against the other players anyway, so conventional wisdom goes out the window.

I played in one craps tournament where in the opening session of 1.5 hrs we had 38 shooters. Being a stubborn pass line and numbers player then you can guess how long I lasted. I would handle much differently today.

This weekend I was having a great time with a hot shooter who kept rolling my numbers. His point was 10 and of course I had full odds and the hardway. Well for some unknown reason I uttered the words "Hop the 5-5" for $10 just as he was ready to shoot. He throws a 5-5 and I rake in the chips for the hop, the hardway and the odds. I've never done that before and probably won't again, but I'll tell you it was such a sweet feeling. The very full table erupted in high 5's and whooping! :D

Well for some unknown reason...

Well done! But I think I know the reason. :D