Newsstand - 2 Jet Blue pilots savagely beat cabbie, cops say

http://www.miamiherald.com/466/story/708057.html

This is not appropriate for 2 pilots were assaulted with cabbie. He didn't payable $9 for that. So read the article published from Miami Herald. Thanks all.

Regards

Completely uncalled for for any human being to commit such an act against another. If the story happends the way it happened I hope these guys get the book thrown at them. I really feel bad for the cabbie.

The behavior of the two assailants is completely inexcusable. That being said, I'm having trouble figuring out what their (possibly former) employment has to do with the crime. It would be no different if they were construction workers or CEOs.

Reading the thread title, I thought this was going to be about two B6 pilots getting beaten up BY A CABBIE over the price of a buy-on-board pillow.....:D

And the plot thickens;

Jet Blue Pilots Charged In Broward Cabbie Attack (http://cbs4.com/local/cabbie.killer.cab.2.829074.html)

The pilots version is spoken about at the bottom of the page

Reading the thread title, I thought this was going to be about two B6 pilots getting beaten up BY A CABBIE over the price of a buy-on-board pillow.....:D

No just a coke can would be hurled in our direction... ;)

And the plot thickens;

Jet Blue Pilots Charged In Broward Cabbie Attack (http://cbs4.com/local/cabbie.killer.cab.2.829074.html)

The pilots version is spoken about at the bottom of the page

Gotta love that they title the link "cabbie.killer.cab" in that version. Nothing like a bit of sensationalism. :rolleyes:

Of course the drunk guys are going to say that they were provoked.

They were easy to spot as JetBlue pilots because they were running hours behind schedule.

They were easy to spot as JetBlue pilots because they were running hours behind schedule.

Was it raining in Florida that day?

Was it raining in Florida that day?

No, it was raining in New York. (JFK)

They were easy to spot as JetBlue pilots because they were running hours behind schedule.

While I think it's sad this happened, your response did answer the question I had.:D Like how did they know who to arrest?

http://www.miamiherald.com/466/story/708057.html

This is not appropriate for 2 pilots were assaulted with cabbie. He didn't payable $9 for that. So read the article published from Miami Herald. Thanks all.

Regards


The story doesn't say that 2 pilots and a cab driver were assaulted together, it claims two pilots assaulted a cab driver. Also, I have no idea what you mean by "He didn't payable $9 for that."

I also wonder what being a pilot has to do with this. Would it be perfectly behavior for a garbage collector but not a pilot?

The story doesn't say that 2 pilots and a cab driver were assaulted together, it claims two pilots assaulted a cab driver. Also, I have no idea what you mean by "He didn't payable $9 for that."

I also wonder what being a pilot has to do with this. Would it be perfectly behavior for a garbage collector but not a pilot?

N830MH writes using ASL so the grammar structures are a bit off. It requires some interpretive effort to get his posts.

N830MH writes using ASL so the grammar structures are a bit off. It requires some interpretive effort to get his posts.

Nsx and I had to rewrite the thread title due to fact the original version written by N830MH made it sound like the cappie did the assaulting. But, that's the way it would sound in ASL.

But, that's the way it would sound in ASL.

it probably would look that way in ASL :)

I also wonder what being a pilot has to do with this. Would it be perfectly behavior for a garbage collector but not a pilot?

It means to say that pilots should be known for their professional behavior and since their job is professional their professional status should carry over into their personal time. I believe i've flown with both of these guys before and this behavior seems way out of whack from how they came across to me, but then again I didn't ask them for a $9 fare. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. My curiosity wants me to see the video from the security cameras.

It means to say that pilots should be known for their professional behavior and since their job is professional their professional status should carry over into their personal time.

Please name all the professions for which this sort of behavior would be considered reasonable.

Please name all the professions for which this sort of behavior would be considered reasonable.

Um....Ultimate Fight League? :p

Don't get me wrong, i don't condone this type of behavior for anybody, no matter wht your profession/job is. If this is how you act when you drink, if they were drinking, then you should not drink and get into this situation. If found guilty they will lose their ability to fly commercial aircraft.

Um....Ultimate Fight League? :p

Don't get me wrong, i don't condone this type of behavior for anybody, no matter wht your profession/job is. Which is why mentioning their profession and employer in the article makes no sense to me.
If found guilty they will lose their ability to fly commercial aircraft.And their ability to freely walk around town. I would imagine that jail time would be involved for such an assault.

My curiosity wants me to see the video from the security cameras.

Me too... Probably a lot will be determined by what's caught on tape.

it probably would look that way in ASL :)

My bad... This is what happens when I try to post of FT when I'm on the phone. :eek:

maybe their too use to jetting. there is no excuse for their action however I'm kind of interested in what the cab driver did to cause all this. I was thinking did the cab driver take the long way to get from point a to point b... like if that was the case, I would of just complain to the driver and stiff him on the tip.

My wants me to see the video from the security cameras.


Youtube!:D

I just did a google map search just was wondering how far the nearest subway was to the strip club.... the 5 closest ones were 27 feet, 1 mile, 1.2 mile, 1.7 miles, and 2.1 miles.... Like seriously if they didn't want to pay $9 they should of walked. Than again, $9 is pretty high for a ride 27 feet to 2 miles.

"Lyons said cab driver Juan Martin has an "anger problem" and used pepper spray on the pilots."

I'd have an anger problem too if somebody tried to interfere with my livelihood.

How bad is the pay at JetBlu that these guys couldn't come up with $3 each to pay the fare they owed?

I guess they stuffed all their money into g-strings at the club.

I just did a google map search just was wondering how far the nearest subway was to the strip club.... the 5 closest ones were 27 feet, 1 mile, 1.2 mile, 1.7 miles, and 2.1 miles.... Like seriously if they didn't want to pay $9 they should of walked. Than again, $9 is pretty high for a ride 27 feet to 2 miles.

The police report (http://static.cbslocal.com/station/wfor/files/cabbiefile.pdf) says the incident happened "in the area of 4000 N. Ocean Blvd". Mapquest says that's 1.82 miles from the strip club.
Even if he took them directly there, that doesn't seem to me like an exorbitant fare for three people.
My guess is they tried a couple of the closer locations first and found them closed. How many subways are open at 3am?

What was the 3rd guy doing during all of this?

I just saw a video of the 3 guys shot from within the Subway shop. I recognize the Capt and the video clearly shows that he is very drunk. Absolutely no excuse for this shameful behaviour, but this is a fll crew who probably were out as friends completely away from work. Unfortunately this puts a black mark on all JetBlue pilots. I really don't know how JetBlue will legally deal with these guys. From what I hear this is very out of character for both individuals. I think there may be more to this story and somehow I doubt the cab driver is a saint. Regardless, no one deserves this type of betting.

I agree that I doubt the cab driver a saint. Of everywhere I've taken a cab, I have the most problem with drivers in South Florida. Miami and Fort Lauderdale to be exact. They love to drive around in circle and take the most outrageous route unless if it was a flat rate route like airport to cruise ship terminal. At that point they try to cram the cab with as many people in hopes of getting more tip. Anyways, base on my experience with cabs in that region I can easily see how there could be a dispute with the fare even if its a few dollars. Now when I take a cab in that area I always tell them the route I want them to go and if they don't, I don't tip them unless if there really good reason why they detour. But beating up the cab driver is really really out of line.

I agree that I doubt the cab driver a saint. Of everywhere I've taken a cab, I have the most problem with drivers in South Florida. Miami and Fort Lauderdale to be exact. They love to drive around in circle and take the most outrageous route unless if it was a flat rate route like airport to cruise ship terminal. At that point they try to cram the cab with as many people in hopes of getting more tip. Anyways, base on my experience with cabs in that region I can easily see how there could be a dispute with the fare even if its a few dollars. Now when I take a cab in that area I always tell them the route I want them to go and if they don't, I don't tip them unless if there really good reason why they detour. But beating up the cab driver is really really out of line.

I don't condone what happened..but just an observation and sorta unrelated from my only cab ride in Ft. Lauderdale last week after getting off a cruise and going to the tri-rail station. First of all i don't know if the driver understood where I was trying to go at first...secondly the speedometer was broken(stuck at zero even when it was going at least 40) and third he had an expired cabbie license. In the end he got me where i needed to go..but i really feared for my safety wondering what else was wrong with this particular cab. :rolleyes:

I agree that I doubt the cab driver a saint. Of everywhere I've taken a cab, I have the most problem with drivers in South Florida. Miami and Fort Lauderdale to be exact. They love to drive around in circle and take the most outrageous route unless if it was a flat rate route like airport to cruise ship terminal. At that point they try to cram the cab with as many people in hopes of getting more tip. Anyways, base on my experience with cabs in that region I can easily see how there could be a dispute with the fare even if its a few dollars. Now when I take a cab in that area I always tell them the route I want them to go and if they don't, I don't tip them unless if there really good reason why they detour. But beating up the cab driver is really really out of line.

I have no idea whether or not this guy tried to pull a fast one on his passengers. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, not assume he's a crook based on my past experiences with other people who happen to have the same job.

In any event, there are proper ways to deal with a cabbie who tries to overcharge you. As you acknowledge in the last sentence of your post, throwing him a beat down is not one of them.

(All numbers that follow are WAG's- wild, approximate, guesstimates)

As to whether $9 is unreasonable to take 3 people 2 miles, most cabs I've been in charge $2-2.50 for the first fraction of a mile (1/4 or 1/8), then each additional fraction at a rate of $2-3 per mile. So a 2 mile run might be about $6 to $8.50.

Throw in extra passenger charges, waiting time, or extra stops and it can add up to $9 real quick.

This story from the Sun-Sentinel (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbtaxicab1001sboct01,0,4935028.story) seems to vary from the other version linked to above:


"Authorities say the pilots and another unidentified man hailed the cab around 2 a.m. after leaving the Solid Gold stripclub. A fourth man who did not know the trio also took the taxi at the same time, police records show.
The cab's driver, Juan Martin, 51, of Miami, took the crew to a Subway shop on North Federal Highway after the pilots said they were hungry.
The men then told Martin to drive them to the beach, but they gave conflicting directions, according to a police report.
Martin stopped the cab in the 4000 block of State Road A1A, police said. He asked the three men to exit the taxi, but he chased after them when they walked away without paying the fare.
That's when the pilots began to punch and kick the driver, according to police documents.
Police say the other man who accompanied the pilots did not harm Martin; the fourth man witnessed the attack and gave police a description of the men".

Even though this does include 2 JetBlue employees, it is more of a Newsstand Forum item. I will move it over there and leave a redirect in the JetBlue Forum.

Thanks,
Seat13c
JetBlue TrueBlue Moderator

I have no idea whether or not this guy tried to pull a fast one on his passengers. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, not assume he's a crook based on my past experiences with other people who happen to have the same job.

In any event, there are proper ways to deal with a cabbie who tries to overcharge you. As you acknowledge in the last sentence of your post, throwing him a beat down is not one of them.

(All numbers that follow are WAG's- wild, approximate, guesstimates)

As to whether $9 is unreasonable to take 3 people 2 miles, most cabs I've been in charge $2-2.50 for the first fraction of a mile (1/4 or 1/8), then each additional fraction at a rate of $2-3 per mile. So a 2 mile run might be about $6 to $8.50.

Throw in extra passenger charges, waiting time, or extra stops and it can add up to $9 real quick.

This story from the Sun-Sentinel (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbtaxicab1001sboct01,0,4935028.story) seems to vary from the other version linked to above:


"Authorities say the pilots and another unidentified man hailed the cab around 2 a.m. after leaving the Solid Gold stripclub. A fourth man who did not know the trio also took the taxi at the same time, police records show.
The cab's driver, Juan Martin, 51, of Miami, took the crew to a Subway shop on North Federal Highway after the pilots said they were hungry.
The men then told Martin to drive them to the beach, but they gave conflicting directions, according to a police report.
Martin stopped the cab in the 4000 block of State Road A1A, police said. He asked the three men to exit the taxi, but he chased after them when they walked away without paying the fare.
That's when the pilots began to punch and kick the driver, according to police documents.
Police say the other man who accompanied the pilots did not harm Martin; the fourth man witnessed the attack and gave police a description of the men".

If that's the case, then where is, and how did it come about, the Subway video? Who is the third, and now, out of no-where, the fourth guy. Suddenly, none of this is making sense. There's been no offical word from JB.

...I also wonder what being a pilot has to do with this. Would it be perfectly behavior for a garbage collector but not a pilot?

Conduct of this sort is more alarming when it is by someone with a license to fly commercial aircraft. If these accusations are true, they raise serious questions about the pilots' psychological fitness for flying.

Does anyone know if commercial pilots have an obligation to report criminal charges or convictions to the FAA?

Anyone else notice the number of typos in the cbs4 article? WTH is "New-Your"?

If that's the case, then where is, and how did it come about, the Subway video? Who is the third, and now, out of no-where, the fourth guy. Suddenly, none of this is making sense. There's been no offical word from JB.

The third/fourth guy is the same person. There were four people in the cab: the driver, the two pilots and another passenger. That makes the other passenger the third passenger and fourth person at the scene. I'd guess they met up at the club and were sharing a ride to wherever and when things went south the other guy backed away and called the cops. At least that's how I'm reading it.

And JetBlue has commented officially, according to the article. Do you expect daily press releases from them or something? Their employer has nothing to do with this, particularly if they were at their home base as opposed to being on a turn somewhere for work.

Conduct of this sort is more alarming when it is by someone with a license to fly commercial aircraft. If these accusations are true, they raise serious questions about the pilots' psychological fitness for flying.More alarming than what other job(s)? Yes, it is very bad. But if garbage collectors were doing the same thing it would be just as bad. Or physicians. Or teachers. Or anyone else. I do not see the relation between the men's job/employer and the reporting of the crime.

And the plot thickens;

Jet Blue Pilots Charged In Broward Cabbie Attack (http://cbs4.com/local/cabbie.killer.cab.2.829074.html)

The pilots version is spoken about at the bottom of the page

I was waiting for you to blame the victim just like in the flight attendant thread. :td:

When the passengers refused to pay the cab fare, they were already wrong. Beating up the cabbie certainly didn't help improve the situation. All over nine dollars!

As for the cabbie having pepper spray as a self-defense weapon; those pilots are lucky that it was only a canister of pepper spray.