Emirates Airlines Skywards - 777-300ER Upgrade

Sorry to start a new thread for this, I have been searching everywhere for an answer thats just not there.

Im flying on EK412 next April, in Business, and I upgraded before realising that the 300ER on that route had the old seats. If I had realised, I would have changed to EK412 on the A380.

I understand 31 out of the Current 35 777-300ERs are in the new configuration, and every new aircraft from here on will have the new business class seats. Are they upgrading the remaining 4 Aircraft, and if so by when?

Thanks in Advance

There are 2 type of J seat in the 777-300ER. The deep recliner, and the lie flat seats. AFAIK, they are not upgrading the older seats to the newer seats.

You may be getting confused with the upgrade of the 777-300 (not the ER) which is happening at the moment. Emirates777 makes regular posting to the sticky at the top of the page as and when aircraft are upgraded.

Cheers,
Rick

Confusion galore.
EK412 will be operated by the A380, so where is the problem?

Unless you meant EK418 of course.
There aren't plans to upgrade the seats from reading previous posts by E777, they will be upgraded last.

Yeah, Sorry, I meant EK418.

Ah, Ok. Im surprised they arent upgradning those seats. You say they will be upgraded last, when will that be? 2 years from now?

Yeah, Sorry, I meant EK418.

Ah, Ok. Im surprised they arent upgradning those seats. You say they will be upgraded last, when will that be? 2 years from now?

I think I read that they won't be upgrading the 2 class 77W's at all, they'll all remain the deep recliner seats. Maybe they will upgrade these after everything else, although I'd expect the A330's to be upgraded at sometime.

Cheers,
Rick

Its not 2 Class, its still 3 Class. Id understand if it was 2 Class, but its not. And, its fairly long flights so you would want the best seats possible.

Its not 2 Class, its still 3 Class. Id understand if it was 2 Class, but its not. And, its fairly long flights so you would want the best seats possible.

On some routes, where is there is high demand and (relatively) low capacity, EK has chosen to keep older planes flying because said seats don't take up as much room as the new seats. On flights to LHR/SYD (for example), EK badly needs the capacity - its flights are all going out full - it has no incentive to offer new seats. If I had just flown EK006 from LHR to DXB and found myself in a 46" pitch J seat, I would not be too pleased. However, EK can and will continue to offer this product to/from LHR simply because it can.

However, to cities such as JFK, I don't think EK is as constrained with capacity (it went from 3 x daily to JFK - one via HAM - to 2 x daily) so it can afford to offer the better product. It is also possible that the JFK market is more responsive to a better product.

Cheers,

I feel bad for scungying out on the cheaper 77W fare than the A380 fare :(

I spose there is still a chance they will swop to the new seats for my flight, especially with recent fare hikes?

Don't feel bad for something the evil heads in Emirates decided upon by scamming consumers into predicting a product, then delivering something of substandard.

In countries like Oz and Nz, the market norm is to charge for re-issues, for cancellations an arm and a leg, and so they do that. But in other countries where they can not charge for re-issues, peanuts for cancellations, they don't.

Call it bi-standards. I think it's unfair given that we live on the same planet, breathe the same oxygen etc.

Now lay low from those 'Pro Business thinkers' who will claim that Emirates as a business have the right to charge whatever they see fit to maintain their bottom line (and their profit). If you don't like it, tough luck.

That doesn't abbolish the fact there is something evil about punishing consumers (who are prime revenue source) for changes to their travel plans or their circumstances, or even their expectations.

You won't be flying for a while, so don't worry, there's still hope for them switching their dated J seats to something more worthy of your hard earned $$ (and miles :) ).

The updated aircraft allocations are done for 1Q09 in the B77W route plan. EK418/419 remains on the cradle J seats on a B77W aircraft. EK418/419 will probably switch over to flat bed J aircraft by 2010 at the latest once more 77W aircraft are delivered.

As for the refurbishment program, my understanding is that once the B777-300s are done the B777-200 and B777-200ERs will be next. Thereafter the B777-300ERs will be done. On the Airbus side, i believe the A340-500s will be refurbished and get a similar spec to the 77L including lie-flats in J while the A340-300s and A330-200s will merely get a "cosmetic" upgrade. There will be no ICE on the A343 or A332s.

For anyone interested here's the breakdown for 77Ws effective 1 March 2009:

Suites in F, lie flat in J and new Weber in Y - 16 aircraft
EK203/204 DXB-JFK-DXB - Daily
EK241/242 DXB-YYZ-DXB - Mon, Wed, Fri
EK003/004 DXB-LHR-DXB - Daily
EK029/030 DXB-LHR-DXB - Daily
EK073/074 DXB-CDG-DXB - Daily
EK045/046 DXB-FRA-DXB - Daily
EK059/060 DXB-HAM-DXB - Daily
EK087/088 DXB-ZRH-DXB - Daily
EK127/128 DXB-VIE-DXB - Daily
EK420/421 DXB-PER-DXB - Daily
EK306/307 DXB-PEK-DXB - Tue
EK322/323 DXB-ICN-DXB - Daily
EK432/433 DXB-SIN-BNE-SIN-DXB - Daily
EK500/501 DXB-BOM-DXB - Thu, Sat
EK514/515 DXB-DEL-DXB - Thu
EK528/529 DXB-HYD-DXB - Fri, Sun
EK761/762 DXB-JNB-DXB - Daily
EK763/764 DXB-JNB-DXB - Daily
EK765/766 DXB-JNB-DXB - Daily

SkyCruiser in F, lie flat in J and new Weber in Y - 5 aircraft
EK015/016 DXB-LGW-DXB - Daily
EK093/094 DXB-MXP-DXB - Daily
EK105/106 DXB-ATH-DXB - Sun
EK107/108 DXB-LCA-MLA-LCA-DXB - Tue & Thu
EK3703/3904 DXB-MRU-DXB - Mon, Wed, Sat
EK770/771 DXB-CPT-DXB - Daily
EK783/784 DXB-LOS-DXB - Daily

SkyCruiser in F, cradle in J and regular Y - 10 aircraft
EK007/008 DXB-LHR-DXB -Daily
EK009/010 DXB-LGW-DXB - Daily
EK047/048 DXB-FRA-DXB - Daily
EK049/050 DXB-MUC-DXB - Daily
EK105/106 DXB-ATH-DXB - Daily ex-Sun
EK302/303 DXB-PVG-DXB - Daily
EK352/353 DXB-SIN-DXB - Mon, Wed, Sat
EK372/373 DXB-BKK-DXB - Tue, Fri, Sun
EK418/419 DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC-SYD-BKK-DXB - Daily
EK923/924 DXB-CAI-DXB - Thu

Of course, all info above subject to change for operational reasons.

Rgds
Emirates777

Hey Emirates777, would you know what the F will be on EK911 this Wed? Services by flight shows flat bed luxury and ICE etc etc. Have some of the 772 been refurbished already?

Also what about EK957 (which shows when trying to make a booking a 777), same day?

Thanks for the update!

Hey Emirates777, would you know what the F will be on EK911 this Wed? Services by flight shows flat bed luxury and ICE etc etc. Have some of the 772 been refurbished already?

Also what about EK957 (which shows when trying to make a booking a 777), same day?

Thanks for the update!

EK911 on 27 Aug will be operated by a 3-class B777-200ER. F will have the SkyCruiser seat. The B777-200ER fleet were upgraded during 2006 and sport SkyCruiser in F, cradle (aka deep reclining) in J and of course these aircraft have ICE.

EK957 on 27 Aug will be operated by a 3-class B777-300. At the moment it is showing an unrefurbished aircraft but of course all info subject to change. Best to check 24/48hrs before departure.

Rgds
Emirates777

Cheers mate!

Flew 418 dxb to sydney picked up a plane full of unhappy Qantas paxs seems Qf had afew problems with another w/c. still the old seats in J class.

hey Emirates777, any updates on EK957 on 27 Aug?

The booking system shows a B777 when looking by schedule, but when looking by price it shows A332.

Thanks :)

hey Emirates777, any updates on EK957 on 27 Aug?

The booking system shows a B777 when looking by schedule, but when looking by price it shows A332.

Thanks :)

Good news. There's been an aircraft swap. Still a B777-300 but a refurbished one now. The plane originally assigned to BEY (a non-refurbished type) that day will operate EK502/3 to BOM instead.

Incidentally the same aircraft will operate both EK957/958 and EK953/954.

Rgds
Emirates777

Thanks Emirates777, will it be deep reclining in J?!

Ah, 773 I was thinking of the 77W. I can answer it myself, no it will be lie-flats :D

Hi Emirates - very imformative - do you know when the EK004 is due to get the lie flat J ?

Hi Emirates - very imformative - do you know when the EK004 is due to get the lie flat J ?

EK003/004 will switch over to B77W's equipped with Suites in F, lie-flat in J and new Weber seats in Y on 1 Feb 2009.

Rgds
Emirates777

EK003/004 will switch over to B77W's equipped with Suites in F, lie-flat in J and new Weber seats in Y on 1 Feb 2009.

Rgds
Emirates777

Oh bu**er! we're on EK004 in December.Oh well got the 380 to look forward to on our return late December(hopefully)

Same for me - I quite like the curent version ER though so must not complain too much - I too have an a380 on the way back - choice of seats was confusing but have now chosen middle seats interior pair which I understand have longer seats (want to sit next to my old man as it is our wedding anniversary)

Jerseylilly,
I had the same dilema with seats and eventually(though maybe not finally)went for a middle pair.A slight worry is the recent post on here about delays to the A380 deliveries.
H

SuanLum I concur - don't fancy being stuck in the middle with a lesser aircraft...

I'm totally confused by the seating terminology here. I see a lot of reference to "lie-flat" seats in J. This normally connotes a seat that is roughly "flat" (between 170-180 degrees) but at a slight angle to the floor.

When I look up a specific flight, EK#203, DXB-JFK in October on the Emirates website, it describes the aircraft as an "Ultra Long Range Boeing 777-300ER". ExpertFlyer lists the flight as a 77W (as opposed to a 77L on certain other flights). I do assume EK#203 is an -ER and not an -LR?

The EK website further describes the Business class seats as "Lie Flat in Business Class" but with 78" long beds in "minipods". The seatmap of the 3-class 777-300ER shows 2-3-2 configuration, which is typical for a "lie-flat-at-an-angle" seat. But "minipods" suggests to me the seating that they have in the A380.

Which is it? Are the horizontal flat bed J seats only on the A380? In that case, I may prefer to take BA or VS if I can't arrange my travels around the A380 schedule to/from JFK.

Which is it? Are the horizontal flat bed J seats only on the A380?

The seats on the A380 are 18.5" wide are extend to a lie-flat non-horizontal bed.

The seats on the A380 are 18.5" wide are extend to a lie-flat non-horizontal bed.
Huh :confused: ?? Really??
The website (http://www.emirates.com/us/english/flying/our_fleet/emirates_a380/business_class/full_flat_seats.aspx) describes these seats as converting into a "fully flat bed". They really are slanted?!? Wow, very deceptive marketing, but then I guess that's EK's schtick, right?

describes these seats as converting into a "fully flat bed". They really are slanted?!? Wow, very deceptive marketing, but then I guess that's EK's schtick, right?

I think there is a slight discrepancy because the angle is not noticeable and quite small (i.e.: around 2-3 degrees?)

The official media kit calls them "lie-flat". Also, if you play with the seat here (http://www.emirates.com/us/english/flying/our_fleet/emirates_a380/business_class/full_flat_seats.aspx) then you can see that there is a slight angle.

I've already taken Qantas to the Advertising Standards Authority over their misleading advertising. It will be interesting to see how EK advertises it in the UK market just before it actually comes here.

I think there is a slight discrepancy because the angle is not noticeable and quite small (i.e.: around 2-3 degrees?)


Which is precisely the angle that aircraft fly 'nose up'...

So, the Emirates flights are horizontal, whereas BA, SQ etc. are angled slightly so your head is below your feet :)

Cheers,
Rick

OK, but just to be clear, is the new seat on 777-300ER also at a 2-3 degree angle, or is that steeper?

I think there is a slight discrepancy because the angle is not noticeable and quite small (i.e.: around 2-3 degrees?)

The official media kit calls them "lie-flat". Also, if you play with the seat here (http://www.emirates.com/us/english/flying/our_fleet/emirates_a380/business_class/full_flat_seats.aspx) then you can see that there is a slight angle.

I've already taken Qantas to the Advertising Standards Authority over their misleading advertising. It will be interesting to see how EK advertises it in the UK market just before it actually comes here.

I see no angle. There's a drop between the footrest & the lumber support since it doesn't quite line up.

If you focus on the line without taking notice of the pillow you'll see it's flat. Some kind of illusion.

Regarding advertising laws in the UK, Silverjet advertised there seats as flat beds (they were very much angled). I emailed them about it & got this reply...

...Anyway we offer customer a flat bed at £999 return which no other airline does. Sure if we charged Virgin of BA prices then we could have a horizontal flat bed because we could afford to take the 7 rows of seats off the aircraft that we would need to do.

Martyn

Martyn Bridger
Customer Experience Director
Silverjet
M: 44 7831 515075
www.flysilverjet.com

I didn't think of contacting the ASA but I certainly would think of flying with them given the attitude displayed.



Which is precisely the angle that aircraft fly 'nose up'...

So, the Emirates flights are horizontal, whereas BA, SQ etc. are angled slightly so your head is below your feet :)

Cheers,
Rick

Depends on how big the pillow is, and half BA's seats are backwards...

I see no angle. There's a drop between the footrest & the lumber support since it doesn't quite line up.

If you focus on the line without taking notice of the pillow you'll see it's flat. Some kind of illusion.

If you want to get more in-depth then I suppose I agree you can see "no angle" on its own. But as you pointed out, there is "angles" but for the sake of simplicity it is essentially a "lie-flat" seat. It is also called a "lie-flat" seat in the official media pack.

Hi can any tell me what to expect in business class with emirates. im flyin EK040 from bhx to dubai which is a 777-300ER, then EK658 to Male on a 777-200/200ER. both say deep reclinin or Sleeperettes.


andy

Hi can any tell me what to expect in business class with emirates. im flyin EK040 from bhx to dubai which is a 777-300ER, then EK658 to Male on a 777-200/200ER. both say deep reclinin or Sleeperettes.


andy

Andy,
last time I flew BHX to DXB the seats looked something like this...........
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-36N-ER/1260202&tbl=CABIN&photo_nr=10&prev_id=1267822&next_id=1250237

Maybe not a 300ER then? but the seats are like the ones shown and described as "deeply reclining",cannot comment on the leg to MLE

Hi people

im flying these flights in J class:
19 April EK 6 LHR-DBX
20 April EK 412 DBX-SYD
30 April EK 413 SYD-DBX
01 May EK 1 DBX-LHR

does anyone have any idea what equipment will be used and what seat type I can expect?

with thanks

Hi

Im flying these flights in first class
24 Mar EK 010 LGW-DXB
02 Apr EK 009 DXB-LGW

Does anyone have any idea what equipment will be used and what seat type I can expect?
Also does anybody have a link for a seatmap for these flights not convinced seatguru is 100% accurate. (can't check my booking as still awaiting reservation code from TA)

with thanks

Im flying these flights in first class
24 Mar EK 010 LGW-DXB
02 Apr EK 009 DXB-LGW

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.3/Platinum - Amadeus Seat Map: 24 Mar 2009/EK 10/LGW-DXB/77W/F] (http://www.KVSTool.com/?R)
A | B C D E F | G H J K
1 + - - +
2 - - - +

[+] Available [-] Unavailable [W] Wing [E] Exit Row



[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.3/Platinum - Amadeus Seat Map: 02 Apr 2009/EK 9/DXB-LGW/77W/F] (http://www.KVSTool.com/?R)
A | B C D E F | G H J K
1 + - - +
2 - - - +

[+] Available [-] Unavailable [W] Wing [E] Exit Row

Thank you jakesterUK
I assume by this seat map it's suites :D

Certainly looks like an aircraft with Suites....

You lucked out here!

Hi

Im flying these flights in first class
24 Mar EK 010 LGW-DXB
02 Apr EK 009 DXB-LGW

Does anyone have any idea what equipment will be used and what seat type I can expect?
Also does anybody have a link for a seatmap for these flights not convinced seatguru is 100% accurate. (can't check my booking as still awaiting reservation code from TA)

with thanks

You can also check this at EK's website through "Services by flight"

http://www.emirates.com/nz/English/flying/service_finder/service_finder.aspx

Just checked your dates and yes both flights have suites ... so enjoy as it's larger B77w suites :)

Thank you all

EK003/004 will switch over to B77W's equipped with Suites in F, lie-flat in J and new Weber seats in Y on 1 Feb 2009.

Rgds
Emirates777

I am flying on ek 018 man to dxb in august 09 returning on ek 019 in sept 09 do you know if these 777 330 er aircraft have lie flat business class seats

Cheers
Clarkey:)

I am flying on ek 018 man to dxb in august 09 returning on ek 019 in sept 09 do you know if these 777 330 er aircraft have lie flat business class seats

Cheers
Clarkey:)

Grrrrr.... you have made a total of 6 posts on FT, each one asking the same question.

The question was answered the first time, which you obviously chose to ignore.

There are 2 type of J seat in the 777-300ER. The deep recliner, and the lie flat seats. AFAIK, they are not upgrading the older seats to the newer seats.

You may be getting confused with the upgrade of the 777-300 (not the ER) which is happening at the moment. Emirates777 makes regular posting to the sticky at the top of the page as and when aircraft are upgraded.

Cheers,
Rick

Just checked your site and noticed you have flown ek018 man to dxb and ek019 dxb to man in business class
I am flying in Aug 09
Did your flights have lie flat seats or are they being updated

Cheers
Clarkey;)

Grrrrr.... you have made a total of 6 posts on FT, each one asking the same question.

The question was answered the first time, which you obviously chose to ignore.

Apologies for my incompetence bit of a novice when it comes to this but can you answer two more questions and I promise to leave you alone

1.Emirates website quotes ek018 as 777300erulr aircraft and ek019 is just 777300er and not ulr does this make any difference to seating in business

2.Both flights have sleeperette business class seats so does this mean not lie flat,which would be better as both day flights and don`t want to sleep as this will be first time in business class.Already booked my chauffuer connections which again a first and can`t wait.

:)

The updated aircraft allocations are done for 1Q09 in the B77W route plan. EK418/419 remains on the cradle J seats on a B77W aircraft. EK418/419 will probably switch over to flat bed J aircraft by 2010 at the latest once more 77W aircraft are delivered.

As for the refurbishment program, my understanding is that once the B777-300s are done the B777-200 and B777-200ERs will be next. Thereafter the B777-300ERs will be done. On the Airbus side, i believe the A340-500s will be refurbished and get a similar spec to the 77L including lie-flats in J while the A340-300s and A330-200s will merely get a "cosmetic" upgrade. There will be no ICE on the A343 or A332s.

For anyone interested here's the breakdown for 77Ws effective 1 March 2009:

Suites in F, lie flat in J and new Weber in Y - 16 aircraft
EK203/204 DXB-JFK-DXB - Daily
EK241/242 DXB-YYZ-DXB - Mon, Wed, Fri
EK003/004 DXB-LHR-DXB - Daily
EK029/030 DXB-LHR-DXB - Daily
EK073/074 DXB-CDG-DXB - Daily
EK045/046 DXB-FRA-DXB - Daily
EK059/060 DXB-HAM-DXB - Daily
EK087/088 DXB-ZRH-DXB - Daily
EK127/128 DXB-VIE-DXB - Daily
EK420/421 DXB-PER-DXB - Daily
EK306/307 DXB-PEK-DXB - Tue
EK322/323 DXB-ICN-DXB - Daily
EK432/433 DXB-SIN-BNE-SIN-DXB - Daily
EK500/501 DXB-BOM-DXB - Thu, Sat
EK514/515 DXB-DEL-DXB - Thu
EK528/529 DXB-HYD-DXB - Fri, Sun
EK761/762 DXB-JNB-DXB - Daily
EK763/764 DXB-JNB-DXB - Daily
EK765/766 DXB-JNB-DXB - Daily

SkyCruiser in F, lie flat in J and new Weber in Y - 5 aircraft
EK015/016 DXB-LGW-DXB - Daily
EK093/094 DXB-MXP-DXB - Daily
EK105/106 DXB-ATH-DXB - Sun
EK107/108 DXB-LCA-MLA-LCA-DXB - Tue & Thu
EK3703/3904 DXB-MRU-DXB - Mon, Wed, Sat
EK770/771 DXB-CPT-DXB - Daily
EK783/784 DXB-LOS-DXB - Daily

SkyCruiser in F, cradle in J and regular Y - 10 aircraft
EK007/008 DXB-LHR-DXB -Daily
EK009/010 DXB-LGW-DXB - Daily
EK047/048 DXB-FRA-DXB - Daily
EK049/050 DXB-MUC-DXB - Daily
EK105/106 DXB-ATH-DXB - Daily ex-Sun
EK302/303 DXB-PVG-DXB - Daily
EK352/353 DXB-SIN-DXB - Mon, Wed, Sat
EK372/373 DXB-BKK-DXB - Tue, Fri, Sun
EK418/419 DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC-SYD-BKK-DXB - Daily
EK923/924 DXB-CAI-DXB - Thu

Of course, all info above subject to change for operational reasons.

Rgds
Emirates777

You seem to be the expert on all things Emirates 777.
Am travelling man to dxb out on ek018 and back on ek019 do either of these flights have pod style business class seats or are they the annoying head in your lap style when passenger in front reclines

Cheers:)

You seem to be the expert on all things Emirates 777.
Am travelling man to dxb out on ek018 and back on ek019 do either of these flights have pod style business class seats or are they the annoying head in your lap style when passenger in front reclines

Cheers:)

How many times!!!!! I've already answered your question, but you just keep asking.

It's the CRADLE (Deep Reclining) seats, and not the Lie Flat. However, it may change before August.