Religious Travelers - Kosher eats in Heathrow and London & Jewish tourist suggestions

My sister and I are traveling on BA and have a full day layover at Heathrow. We will be arriving at 7:15am and departing at 10:30pm from terminal 5. A few questions:
1) Is there any kosher food available in terminal 5?
2) I understand that there is kosher food available in Selfridges and D&D kosher sandwiches are available all over London. If we purchase a sandwich where (other than a park bench) can we eat it? I guess that sounds like a weird question but can we, for example, purchase a cup of coffee in a Starbucks and eat our kosher sandwich there?
3) Any suggestions for any Jewish London experiences? (We had wanted to do the Jewish London Walk tour but that’s not offered on Mondays…waah!)
4) Can't decide between the Big Red Bus or the Original London Tour hop on hop off buses...your two cents, please.
Thank you!

2) I understand that there is kosher food available in Selfridges and D&D kosher sandwiches are available all over London. If we purchase a sandwich where (other than a park bench) can we eat it? I guess that sounds like a weird question but can we, for example, purchase a cup of coffee in a Starbucks and eat our kosher sandwich there?

If the weather's good, in Green Park. You can get a nice picnic (kosher supervised stuff plus fresh fruit, veg and so on, from Selfridges' food hall).

3) Any suggestions for any Jewish London experiences? (We had wanted to do the Jewish London Walk tour but that’s not offered on Mondays…waah!)

The company London Walks (www.walks.com) does a fascinating tour of the East End (Whitechapel, Brick Lane, etc area). It's the places where the latest group of immigrants to London has generally settled -- so it used to be mainly Jewish but is now mainly British Bangladeshi.

If they're not doing a tour of the area on Mondays right now (we did one that wasn't specifically a "Jewish London" tour but which pointed out a lot of Jewish sights), you should get a book and follow your own itinerary.

Things not to miss: Bevis Marks synagogue, the park near where the battle of Cable Street where the fascists squared off against their opponents in the 1930s, the building at the corner of Fournier (?) St and Brick Lane which was formerly a church then a synagogue and is now a mosque. Another synagogue next to much larger mosque elsewhere -- can't remember the street name, unfortunately...

The best walking guides to London I know of are those by Andrew Duncan:
http://www.andrewduncan.co.uk/

I'm not sure which one of his books would be relevant: perhaps "The City – East of St Paul’s walk" in Secret London, or "The City (East)" in Walking London and maybe "Wapping to Limehouse" in the same book. Maybe the City or East London chapters in "Favourite London Walks" would also be relevant.

If the weather is bad, and you can splurge on a sit down meal, the restaurant at Bevis Marks synagogue is fantastic (but very pricey). http://www.bevismarkstherestaurant.com/

Not far from the Main Marks & Spencer store on Oxford St is a place called Reubens its on Baker st #79 Fleshig. If I remember correctly Selfridges is across the street from that M&S and the street that is between is Baker St. Its a ways up not a long walk or hop a bus (I think Baker is a 1 way going the wrong way, so youd have to go 1 street over grab a bus over there and then walk back to Baker st. Or simply walk up Baker for appx 5-10 mins. If walking from OxfordSt it will be on your left side.

If I was you Id buy a day pass for Zones 1-6 (LHR is in Zone 6) that way you can travel on the Underground and the buses as well

Or simply take the Nothern Line to golders Green station or Hendon station and there will be more places to eat then you will be able to decide where to actually eat. GG will be closer, Hendon will be a bit of a walk, but I prefer the restaurants in Hendon. Or take the #13 bus to GG from Oxford st it ends at the GG underground station. It used to be the old Roadmaster double decker buses, Boy I miss them. Its a great ride and you'll see alot not much Touristy but I love the ride on the 13.

What ever you do, DONT stay at LHR unless its pouring rain!

(I think Baker is a 1 way going the wrong way, so youd have to go 1 street over grab a bus over there and then walk back to Baker st. Or simply walk up Baker for appx 5-10 mins. If walking from OxfordSt it will be on your left side.

Buses go south down Baker St / Orchard St and north up Gloucester Place / Portman Square.

Or simply take the Nothern Line to golders Green station or Hendon station and there will be more places to eat then you will be able to decide where to actually eat.

Solly's is a good place - excellent fresh baked Iraqi pita. But to be honest with you, London is not a destination for its kosher restaurants if you are used to what's available in NYC (there's nothing to match the panache of Tevere, Le Marais, or even Colbeh or Taam Tov). Although London does have some good places, most don't generally compete with non-kosher restaurants for the custom of people used to the level of service and professionalism at non-kosher restaurants, like many kosher places do in NYC or Israel. (To preempt any possible offence being taken at my comments here, I'd say that kosher restaurants in London can often be good, but with a few exceptions (Bevis Marks above being one) as the Michelin guide might say, they are largely "vaut le detour" as opposed to "vaut le voyage"...)

If you have limited time in London, I wouldn't spend much of it in Golders Green -- although in the walking guide I mentioned above, there are some great walks not too far from Golders Green or Hendon through Highgate/Hampstead/Kenwood. These other places I mention are really interesting and quirky London "villages" which became suburbs, whereas Golders Green and Hendon were mostly purpose-built in the 1920s as developments that followed the extension of the tube (subway) lines. GG and Hendon have some nice enough residential streets to walk down, but they're otherwise quite bland suburbs (think Forest Hills or Riverdale).

What ever you do, DONT stay at LHR unless its pouring rain!

Don't stay there even if it is pouring rain -- take the Heathrow Express into town to maximise your time and spend your day at the British Museum or one of the other free museums instead.

I get to London once a year.

I would endorse Solly's. It is at the extreme of the locations of the jewish businesses, but a good eat and there are still plenty of stores to walk around. If you are interested in more variety, at the other end of Golders Green there is Chinese, Pizza, Hamburgers, Dairy Restaurants and so on. (also a short walk from the tram) As mentioned, GG should be a dinner destination, bu not much else.

Be prepared for sticker shock. If it is $1 in America, it is going to be a pound in London - very expensive town!

My wife and I have done the Big Red Bus, and again, I would highly recommend it due to the amount of time you have. You will get to at least see, if not go in, all the major London attractions. I especially loved the part where you get off the bus, get on a boat up the Thames, then get back on the bus. We bought our tickets via the internet before we left.
CHeck for dates and time of guard changing at the Palace, it is not every day.

Layovers like this are my favorite! Wife and I had a similar day like this in Zurich. Had such a good time, we tacked it on to our return from Israel the following year.

Have a great time, bu like I said, be prepared for sticker shock.

I get to London once a year.

I would endorse Solly's. It is at the extreme of the locations of the jewish businesses, but a good eat and there are still plenty of stores to walk around. If you are interested in more variety, at the other end of Golders Green there is Chinese, Pizza, Hamburgers, Dairy Restaurants and so on. (also a short walk from the tram) As mentioned, GG should be a dinner destination, bu not much else.

Be prepared for sticker shock. If it is $1 in America, it is going to be a pound in London - very expensive town!

My wife and I have done the Big Red Bus, and again, I would highly recommend it due to the amount of time you have. You will get to at least see, if not go in, all the major London attractions. I especially loved the part where you get off the bus, get on a boat up the Thames, then get back on the bus. We bought our tickets via the internet before we left.
CHeck for dates and time of guard changing at the Palace, it is not every day.

Layovers like this are my favorite! Wife and I had a similar day like this in Zurich. Had such a good time, we tacked it on to our return from Israel the following year.

Have a great time, bu like I said, be prepared for sticker shock.

Yep, Ive been telling this to people for years, when going to TLV fly with a European carrier so that you can get either a 12+ hr layover or a day or 2 going or coming in that Hub city and see the city.

As for Sticker Shock, I think the Sticker Shock will be for those people who use Premium Pounds Cert on their Marriott stays. The reason is the GBP went below $1.90 yesterday the 1st time in a couple of yrs. Last yr I was getting over $200 when presenting the cert, with the higher cost for the PPs and the lower Pound its getting to a pt where its not worth getting them, unless the cost per PP goes down $10 or more per cert

Thanks so much for your input. Since our time in London is so limited we really don't want to go all the way to Golders Green. We don't even want to waste time sitting through a full restaurant meal since we are on our way to Israel and will find plenty of good eateries there. We just wanted to be able to grab a sandwich but would like to eat it somewhere where we could also grab a cup of coffee or tea.
Saluto, thanks for your suggestions but I'm not big on self guided tours. I've done the London walks before and have always enjoyed the personalized insight the tour guides provide. I'm just disappointed that the Old Jewish Quarter (a shtetl called Whitechapel) walk isn't given on Mondays. If you can think of the name of the walk you went on that wasn't specifically Jewish let me know and maybe that walk is one that's available on Mondays. I do like your idea of spending the day at the British Museum if there's a monsoon the day we arrive!
Craz, yes, we do plan to purchase a day pass for Zones 1-6 so we can get all around London. I understand the day pass also gets us 1/2 price tickets to the Tower of London so that's a nice little bonus.
Thumper - So, why did you and your wife choose the Big Red Bus over the Original London tour one? Both bus companies pretty much offer the same tours and river trip so I am curious as to what made you choose one over the other.

(also a short walk from the tram)I never knew there was a tram in Golders Green... :confused:

I guess that sounds like a weird question but can we, for example, purchase a cup of coffee in a Starbucks and eat our kosher sandwich there?
Yes, that really is not a problem at all.

I never knew there was a tram in Golders Green... :confused:


tram
3: a wheeled vehicle that runs on rails and is propelled by
electricity: "`tram' and `tramcar' are British terms"

Brents Cross train station is two blocks to Golders Green Road.
And now you know. If you wish to debate definitions, please feel free. My post was to help someone looking for assistance with a trip to London.

Thumper - So, why did you and your wife choose the Big Red Bus over the Original London tour one? Both bus companies pretty much offer the same tours and river trip so I am curious as to what made you choose one over the other.


We chose Big Red because at the time the advance purchase internet discount was greater. Since it was a completely positive experience, I feel comfortable endorsing it.

OK, then...thanks everyone for your suggestions and comments. You've really been helpful. I'm a FlyerTalk newbie but I think I'm gonna like it here!

tram
3: a wheeled vehicle that runs on rails and is propelled by
electricity: "`tram' and `tramcar' are British terms"

Brents Cross train station is two blocks to Golders Green Road.
And now you know. If you wish to debate definitions, please feel free. My post was to help someone looking for assistance with a trip to London.
.No offence Thumper, but I still don't get it...
Are you referring to the Underground (The Tube) as a Tram?

Actually Golders Green station is closer to most of the restaurants...

No offence Thumper, but I still don't get it...
Are you referring to the Underground (The Tube) as a Tram?

Actually Golders Green station is closer to most of the restaurants...

No offense taken, but I am also bewildered on how your fixation on semantics is a help to a fellow traveler. You seem upset that someone might call a jet a plane. And if you are up to now correcting which station I mentioned, even you understood my meaning. We all posted to help this nice woman better enjoy her limited time in London.

As a Londoner we can only assume you are traveling allot and still haven't gotten around to sharing with others the best way to enjoy your city, and only have time for the posts you have done so far. I wish a native would take more time to help us all. Even though I spend a month in London once or twice a year now, I am certain there is allot I am missing.

As a Londoner we can only assume you are traveling allot and still haven't gotten around to sharing with others the best way to enjoy your city, and only have time for the posts you have done so far. I wish a native would take more time to help us all. Even though I spend a month in London once or twice a year now, I am certain there is allot I am missing.Thumper, sorry, you obviously took my posts the wrong way, and I apologise!
Like I said, I was in no way having a go; it's just that I have never ever heard anyone before refer to the Tube as a Tram that's all, so I was wondering, no more than that.

I saw the thread only once the OP got most of the answers he needed, and there really wasn't much more I could add.
The one question nobody did answer and seemed to trouble them was whether they could take a kosher sandwich into Starbacks, to which I did reply.
As to my correction of the station you mentioned, it was to help them as well, in case they did end up going to GG, they would be far better getting off at GG station, not Brent Cross.

I'm sure if you look back at my posting history, I do my very best to help and advice, as I have been helped and advised on FT myself.

I would be more than happy to advise you or anyone else here with anything I can.
To be honest being so busy with the BA/BD/LY Board I sometimes forget this one exists, and at times don't come on here for weeks.
If I can help you or anyone else with anything you could always PM me as well, and I would be more than happy to help out.

Again, my apologies if it seemed I was being a bit picky with the small non important detail.

gr8aunt - you have a PM

gr8aunt,

Selfridge now carries kosher sandwiches (and some salad) from a kosher deli called Adafina. Mainly fleishig, but better quality (though slightly pricier) than DD's, IMO. Food hall entrance is along Baker St, across from M&S. Very conveniently, there is a Starbucks right across from Selfridges (on the other side of Oxford St across from the Selfridge main entrance), where there is a seating area downstairs. Good for self-conscious people who may not feel comfortable eating food brought in from outside.

You may be able to find DD's sandwiches at some coffee shops (I think it was Cafe Nero) on at Heathrow. Reuben's (think deli) is the other option in West End. You can also get sandwiches for takeaway from Bevis Marks (about GBP5). While the main courses are pricey (GBP15-20), appetisers are reasonable, and their parve desert is so unbelievable.

I strongly recommend Bevis Marks synagogue--the oldest synagogue in UK--near Liverpool St Station for a visit. Also I took a photo of my family under the street sign Old Jewry (just north of Eastcheap between St Paul's and Bank).

Shame as Jewish Museum is not currently open (supposed to move to a new Jewish Community Centre but the whole plan seems scrapped), but Gilbert Collection in Somerset House has good sterling Judaica collection, as well as V&A.

I'm so glad I came back to this site as I didn't think anyone else would post, so, thanks, W9London, for your suggestions re Selfridges and the Starbucks nearby...that sounds perfect. We are going to Israel the next day so I'll save looking at Judaica collections when we go to the Israel Museum.

FF...what PM??? I haven't received any email from Flyertalk other than when I originally registered.

I'd definitely recommend Golder's Green for a lot of Kosher food options. Also, I recommend you check out Gabriel's Wharf on the South Bank, near the Waterloo stop on the tube. This was slightly off the beaten path when I spent time in London. I wonder if more people frequent the area these days. I remember it being a great walk. There are street performers, book sales, tons of shops/restaurants, etc. Enjoy!

Selfridge now carries kosher sandwiches (and some salad) from a kosher deli called Adafina.

Here's the source, where you can browse all their products. They have a good selection at their store (on Abbey Road, the home of the famous Beatles' zebra-crossing):
http://www.adafina.co.uk/

FF...what PM??? I haven't received any email from Flyertalk other than when I originally registered.

PM = Private Message. If you look near the top right of the screen - just above where it says "Quick Links" and "Log Out" you will see something like:

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Click on "Private Messages" and you'll see mine.

Reubens upstairs is a 'quick' eat rather than a full service restautant. Chicken soup and a few dishes are ready hot and waiting - whole thing can be done in 15 mins.

Sorry, but when I tried to respond via a PM it didn't recognize your name (FF). What a nice offer...thank you. My sister has never been to England and we plan to see "everything" (lol) in the short time we have. Thank you so much for offering to be our tour guide but we will be playing it by ear and don't want to be tied down to meeting someone at a certain time. We pretty much don't feel that Golders Greer is going to make it on our agenda this time around...there's too much we want to see and do in London and we'll be very happy just to grab a sandwich for lunch. My husband and I did see the Bevis Marks shul during one of the Original London Walks tour one year and I will try to take my sister there...maybe will have supper at their kosher eatery...or not! Just depends on how the day goes for us. Thanks so much for your kind offer and for directing me to the private message section...who knew??

Sorry to ask this as an outsider, but would appropriate halal restaurants suit some or most of the needs of a kosher diner? I only ask as I imagine there would be quite a selection of decent restaurants (or more basic food options) open to kosher diners open to halal food.

I've read this thread and recall this has worked for some people and usually works in terms of airline food.

(Maybe I'm getting this back to front... are there levels of kosher or is the most basic level requiring rabinnical or some kosher authority approval? Might some restaurants be approved for both kosher and halal?)

Cheers.

Sorry to ask this as an outsider, but would appropriate halal restaurants suit some or most of the needs of a kosher diner? I only ask as I imagine there would be quite a selection of decent restaurants (or more basic food options) open to kosher diners open to halal food.No. The requirements are very different, and the kosher laws are far more stringent than Halal, as far as I am aware.

Might some restaurants be approved for both kosher and halal?Yes. That would be possible if the Halal certifying authorities permitted it. I know of one product in the UK (DD's sandwiches, part of the Hermolis kosher food group) which has a prominent 'Halal certified' logo on the label next to the kosher logos.

No. The requirements are very different, and the kosher laws are far more stringent than Halal, as far as I am aware.

Yes. That would be possible if the Halal certifying authorities permitted it. I know of one product in the UK (DD's sandwiches, part of the Hermolis kosher food group) which has a prominent 'Halal certified' logo on the label next to the kosher logos.

Thanks for this.
Given London is a relatively multicultural and such a large city, I expected that there could be a market for kosher fine dining for subcontinental and African cuisine - which could source meat that is both kosher and halal.

Perhaps a family with relative of both religions could run such a place.
Quite a challenge but what a market.
A concept for you to chew on, in London. :p

Here's the source, where you can browse all their products. They have a good selection at their store (on Abbey Road, the home of the famous Beatles' zebra-crossing):
http://www.adafina.co.uk/

Just a quick update that you can now buy these kosher sandwiches from Adafina at Heathrow (back to the OP!). Cafe Nero in T1, T4 and T5 stock them. When I was there last week they had Smoked Salmon with Dill & Cream Cheese in Mezonot Bagel; Herbed Cheese, Rocket & Sundried Tomato in Mezonot Bagel; Tuna Salad in Granary Bread, Chicken Mayonnaise & Sweetcorn in Granary Bread; and Egg Mayonnaise & Cucumber in Mezonot Roll.
Cost around UK 3.90 per roll. Quality was good, but I actually prefer DD's I think. All cream cheese is parev.

For those with access to the First lounge in T5, Kosher is now readily available on request.

You can PM me for more details on how to order ahead.

Just a quick update that you can now buy these kosher sandwiches from Adafina at Heathrow (back to the OP!). Cafe Nero in T1, T4 and T5 stock them.

What about T3?

What about T3?

There is a coffee shop in T3 arrivals which stocks a few DD's sandwiches.

Hi!

Just to tell you all what the OP already understands: We're preparing for our first trip to London.

1. Just in case we are driven to eating D&D sandwiches in all kinds of unlikely places in the middle of London, any suggestions about where to wash our hands?

2. What kind of hekhsherim and what kind of food (aside from fruits and vegetables) are available in the Selfridges food halls?

Thanks.
H.

1. Just in case we are driven to eating D&D sandwiches in all kinds of unlikely places in the middle of London, any suggestions about where to wash our hands?

Take with you a plastic cup and a small towel. Go into a large shop (like John Lewis or Selfridges) and wash in the toilets. After exiting the toilets, make the berocho and dry your hands with the towel you brought. I've done it loads of times.

By the way, DD's have increased their range substantially and have some really interesting fillings. Their range is on their website (http://koshersandwiches.co.uk/index.htm). I note from the website that they are stocked in a number of places in the West End, including the (new) John Lewis Food Hall, but NOT in Selfridges.

Take with you a plastic cup and a small towel. Go into a large shop (like John Lewis or Selfridges) and wash in the toilets. After exiting the toilets, make the berocho and dry your hands with the towel you brought. I've done it loads of times.

Or simply dont touch the bread with your hands and make HaMotzei and Bench afterwards

Or simply dont touch the bread with your hands and make HaMotzei and Bench afterwards
Where did you dream that 'hetter' from? Yes, there are circumstances where you can eat with gloves (on BOTH hands). It is not enough just not to 'touch the bread'. However, that is only possible where there is no water available to wash with within 72 minutes walk ... As for not making hamotsi 'until later' ... I am sorry to say that someone has misled you here. There are plenty of places you can wash in Central London.

Where did you dream that 'hetter' from? Yes, there are circumstances where you can eat with gloves (on BOTH hands). It is not enough just not to 'touch the bread'. However, that is only possible where there is no water available to wash with within 72 minutes walk ... As for not making hamotsi 'until later' ... I am sorry to say that someone has misled you here. There are plenty of places you can wash in Central London.


never said to make 'HaMotzi' later. I said make 'HaMotzi' and after you are done Bench

washing in say M&Ss bathroom drying your hands after you leave it and then walk wherever and sit and 1st eat, is not so simple. Too long of a Hefsik. aloso not so simple to wash - dry outside bathroom, make a bracha eat a small pice of bread and then go to wherever you are gonna actually eat

The not having to wash is if yes water for washing isnt available, there are some who hold since its a Big tercher in having to wash and not eat where you make the Bracha then its Ok to do as I said . Go to where you will actually eat and dont touch the bread but make HaMotzi and Bench when done.

OT but flew back to the States yesterday from SYD, in the lounge was a another Frum guy we got to talking and talking about the davening. He said I better daven Mincha as it will get dark on the flight and I will need to redaven Shaharis again for Weds morn again. I told him I was told since we get into SFO @ 11am I can daven Mincha any time after we take off from SFO and before it gets dark, we landed JFK at 9:15pm.

on the way there left SFO at 10:45pm and we landed SYD 6am Tues morn, there was no Mon. Again was told Daven Maariv in SFO and my next davening
is Tues morning in SYD and no making up anything. also Omer w/o a Bracha Tues morn which counts for Mon night and continue with a Bracha as reg Tues night.

My pt is you may as others have disagree with any of the above but I asked My local Orthodox Rabbi and thats that in regards to me

PS I should have said that its best for the OP to ask her LOR what they can rely on.

I'll go for a one day journey with my family to London.
Is there any place where we can buy kosher Food (Sundwich or Restaurants)in the City (Main area where all the shops are)?

thanks

I'll go for a one day journey with my family to London.
Is there any place where we can buy kosher Food (Sundwich or Restaurants)in the City (Main area where all the shops are)?

thanks

DD's sandwiches are available in John Lewis Food Hall in Oxford Street

kahane,
City is NOT where the shops are. It's a financial centre. Within City, you can get DD's sandwich at Tesco across from Liverpool St Stn. Better yet, you can get takeaway items from Bevis Marks restaurant if Mon-Fri. Shops are along Oxford St (unless you consider going to the malls in Brent Cross or Westfield)--you can get kosher sandwiches at John Lewis, Selfridges, plus some supermarkets in West End. Sainsbury's near Green Park tube station carries DD's though they tend to run out of it if you get there too late.

mikebg,
I believe now it's Adafina that supplies John Lewis on Oxford St.

HenriettaMaria,
Kosher foods at Selfridge is litterall scattered around the Food Hall. You can get packaged Grodzinski biscuits/cakes and Sharon's challot near general bread/cakes counter. Adafina sandwiches/salads and other chilled foods (cold cuts, hummous, gefilte fish balls) are in a chilled shelf close to the smoked salmon (not fresh fish) counter. Among the isles you'll find other packaged kosher foods (tinned food, soup mixes, sweets and snacks, candles, wine). Chocolates are in separate areas a few steps below.

There are four local hechsherim: kedassia (basically haredi), LBD, SKA and Federation (KF in a hexagon). Also Manchester BD which is well respected. Note there are many products that do not carry hechsher but are checked by LBD, like walker's crisp (plain salted and salt-and-vinegar only, I believe the latter is now milky). Hence the need for the list.

To be honest, I don't know why anyone makes a big deal out of washing hands. Just carry a bottle of mineral water and some paper towels.

I was in the John Lewis Food Hall today and didn't find any kosher sandwiches, of any brand! Maybe because it was towards the end of the day though, or they put them somewhere odd.

I was in the John Lewis Food Hall today and didn't find any kosher sandwiches, of any brand! Maybe because it was towards the end of the day though, or they put them somewhere odd.

I've seen only Adafina sandwiches at John Lewis. They are in a chilled shelf across chilled juice, between where you get off the escalator (down from the florist on the ground floor) and the bread counter. They usually have enough items.

On the other hand, I've noticed Tesco Berkley Square often runs out of DD's, and they stock only one or two kinds, usually tuna.

Ok for the heck of it I went to both John Lewis and Selfridges. neither had DDs , both had Adafina.

I walked out w/o buying anything. I needed a magnifying glass in order to try and see if there was anything stuck in between the 2 slices of bread. A real pity, since when I was in Golders Green on Sun I walked into Carmellas and Tesco Express as well as a couple of Kosher groceries and the sandwiches were more like I thought they be on Oxford St, thick with something other then just bread! thats for the DDs but more so for Carmellas

The simple answer is go down Baker St (the street in between Marks & spemcer and Selfridges) appx 5-10 mins to Rubens!! Its well worth the walk did it 3 times. Only thing they are closed 4pm-5:30pm otherwise its 10am - 10pm. They had a sign up "All Meat Is Glatt" and are under the Sephardi Kasrut Authority. My friends in GG told me its OK to eat there as they do themselves

Rubens 79 Baker St

Wanted to add, 1 CCs cant be used for the fast food area but only for waiter service. Also they have tuna and egg salad sandwiches and plates and the tuna was 4.25 while the stuff on Oxford was 2.95 but Rubens had a min of 3 x the amount on it

Just wanted to update that if anyone is looking for kosher food close to Heathrow, there is an excellent kosher option at Westfield London shopping centre in Shepherds Bush. This is about 20 mins drive from LHR non-peak, 40 minutes by underground (5.20 pounds return). There is an excellent kosher restaurant, a branch of Isola Bella - delicious breakfasts, fish, pasta, pizza, Thai, salads, desserts etc etc. And all at very reasonable prices for London, espcially at lunchtime.

In the same centre there is also a supermarket (Waitrose) with a good kosher section - cold cuts, cheeses, bread, frozen goods, dry goods etc, plentry for a picnic.

I got two tickets on the Heathrow Express that I am not using due to change in travel plans. Please contact me if you want them. They have to be used soon.

I know this thread is old, but I am looking for kosher (mehadrin) food at terminal five in Heathrow as well. We are scheduled to land at 8:15pm and won't be flying out again until 11am the next day. I am traveling with dh and kids, will be staying in Comfort Hotel for the night, but need to find breakfast. I would like to travel light and not bring all of our food with us if we don't have to.

Thanks!!

I know this thread is old, but I am looking for kosher (mehadrin) food at terminal five in Heathrow as well. We are scheduled to land at 8:15pm and won't be flying out again until 11am the next day. I am traveling with dh and kids, will be staying in Comfort Hotel for the night, but need to find breakfast. I would like to travel light and not bring all of our food with us if we don't have to.

Thanks!!
I would suggest very Strongly ordering from here: http://www.hermolis.com/site/menus/breakfasts_disposable/index.htm its not cheap but they will deliver and charge for it

but otherwise by the time you clear IMM and get to your Hotel its gonna be late and riding the Underground before 9:30am is very expensive and you wont have enough time to get anywhere and back

just make sure you will be able to heat the food up before ordering that type, just give them the name and address of teh hotel and they will probably drop it off before you even check-in or before you wake-up in the morn. Ive told this to a few friends and they Loved it

craz thank you!!! That is exactly the type of thing I was looking for. Do you know if the dairy is cholov yisroel? I read through the site, but couldn't see anything mentioned.

Thank you!!

fwiw google seems to say that it is all good. I emailed them to confirm as well!

Thanks.

craz thank you!!! That is exactly the type of thing I was looking for. Do you know if the dairy is cholov yisroel? I read through the site, but couldn't see anything mentioned.

Thank you!!

fwiw google seems to say that it is all good. I emailed them to confirm as well!

Thanks.



If my memory is still in tact I believe it is Cholov Yisroel when it comes to the Dairy. Its under Kedissia which is a very strict hecsher over there the top and best. I just cant see them having Cholov Stam especially in Europe where most people hold its Cholov Ackom and not Stam like many do over here

btw in case you wanted to order something for dinner just access www.hermolis.com and checkout their whole menu, just make sure you dont order from the China menu = you will be purcahsing the actual dishes and they arent cheap, my friends who go on biz and expense the food do order the meals on the china, no need to IMO.

if you go for dinner as well make sure to ask that they bring everything 1 time otherwise they may just bring it in 2 different deliverys and you will end up paying twice for that. If your hotel has a freezer or fridge there should be no problem with them putting it in them as the food is properly wrapped knwoing who will be handling them , no different then on the plane

Is kosher cadbury in Europe only eaten by chalav stam drinkers or do people follow R' Tzvi Pesah Frank's kuola of the decree not applying to milk powder?

When I was in Europe the Jews I stayed at would drink chalav yisrael but eat cadbury chocolates. Never asked them why.

Hermolis is definitely cholov yisroel. No question at all. As with all other kedassia caterers. KLBD and KF restaurants, bakeries and caterers are also only cholov yisroel, but KLBD gives a hechsher to PRODUCTS (not restaurants, bakeries or caterers) which are not cholov yisroel.

I contacted the hotel (Comfort Hotel... the cheapest place we could find for a family of six near Heathrow) to make sure it would be okay to have the food delivered before we got there (Hermolis delivers from 1-5pm and we aren't going to be getting to the hotel much before 10pm) and this was their reply:

"Good evening,

My manager has just come back to me and what he says is that due to health and safety reasons we are unable to accept any food delivery unfortunately."

So I guess we are back to square one. Argh!

My manager has just come back to me and what he says is that due to health and safety reasons we are unable to accept any food delivery unfortunately."

So I guess we are back to square one. Argh!

Not necessarily at all. I would suggest phoning Hermolis and speaking to them. They deliver to hotels all over the UK and know the industry 'language'. They are certified by the highest food standards and all packages come with full reheating instructions for the hotels. They will be able to contact the relevant people in the hotel for you. Based on my own experience, they would probably manage to get the hotel to take the meals.

Not necessarily at all. I would suggest phoning Hermolis and speaking to them. They deliver to hotels all over the UK and know the industry 'language'. They are certified by the highest food standards and all packages come with full reheating instructions for the hotels. They will be able to contact the relevant people in the hotel for you. Based on my own experience, they would probably manage to get the hotel to take the meals.

+1 the hotel mgr might have thought its raw meat etc , and not know its already cooked and in sealed pkgs and/or they have a restaurant and want the business not realizing that they wont get a dime of it no matter what

Thank you. I emailed the hotel again, including links to Hermolis' health certifications.

I hope it helps!

Thank you. I emailed the hotel again, including links to Hermolis' health certifications.

I hope it helps!

why didnt you email Hermolis and ask them to call the Hotel and see if they could work things out, its to Hermolis's benefit as well for future customers who may want to stay at that Hotel as well

why didnt you email Hermolis and ask them to call the Hotel and see if they could work things out, its to Hermolis's benefit as well for future customers who may want to stay at that Hotel as well

:) I did that too. I forwarded them the email from the hotel and explained to them what was going on.

I contacted the hotel (Comfort Hotel... the cheapest place we could find for a family of six near Heathrow) to make sure it would be okay to have the food delivered before we got there (Hermolis delivers from 1-5pm and we aren't going to be getting to the hotel much before 10pm) and this was their reply:

"Good evening,

My manager has just come back to me and what he says is that due to health and safety reasons we are unable to accept any food delivery unfortunately."

So I guess we are back to square one. Argh!

I've never had a problem with any hotel in the UK not accepting Hermolis meals, although I've never had them delivered in, but have brought them along myself, and then had them stored in the hotel freezer until needed.
As suggested above, ask Hermolis to contact the hotel, and everything should hopefully be ok

Good news, I won!!

"Good evening

Sorry for not coming back to you earlier, I was just waiting for my manager's answer. He confirmed you can place an order to be delivered to the hotel. Please let me know once you do it, so that I will make a note in our log book. He also noticed that there would be a charge should you need to warm up the food or eat it in the restaurant.


Kind regards,"

;) We have no intention of eating in the restaurant and I am more comfortable not heating stuff there either so I think we will be just fine! Now I just have to decide which of the hundreds of foods we should order.

Do you think we can get past security with the meals? We are checking in at ~8:30am for 11:15am flights, 1:15pm our old time, so lunch would be nice, but I don't want to push our luck or have to throw out good food!

Happy to hear it worked out.

Which are you flying out of London and to where, since BA uses Hermolis as do almost every Carrier but you arent fed on a European flight unless in Biz. So if youre heading to TLV on BA (dont think so due to yur departure time) nothing to worry about. Not 100% sure if ElAl uses Hermolis as well

Good news, I won!!

"Good evening

Sorry for not coming back to you earlier, I was just waiting for my manager's answer. He confirmed you can place an order to be delivered to the hotel. Please let me know once you do it, so that I will make a note in our log book. He also noticed that there would be a charge should you need to warm up the food or eat it in the restaurant.


Kind regards,"

;) We have no intention of eating in the restaurant and I am more comfortable not heating stuff there either so I think we will be just fine! Now I just have to decide which of the hundreds of foods we should order.

Do you think we can get past security with the meals? We are checking in at ~8:30am for 11:15am flights, 1:15pm our old time, so lunch would be nice, but I don't want to push our luck or have to throw out good food!

Happy to hear it worked out.

Which are you flying out of London and to where, since BA uses Hermolis as do almost every Carrier but you arent fed on a European flight unless in Biz.

And since when was this, craz? All carriers will serve meals (even in economy), as long as they are serving meals in general on the plane (ie, if it's a short flight, and there's just a general snack, they won't serve a full kosher meal). Otherwise, practically all of them, excluding LY, will serve Hermolis...

We are flying TLV to LHR to BOS, all on BA. I know everyone will get fed on the plane, but I want the kids fed before boarding because hungry kids are grumpy kids and no one wants to fly with grumpy kids.

We may well get the same food on the plane, but that doesn't bother me. If I do the ordering we can get food that I know they will eat. Airplane food is the luck of the draw IME.

And since when was this, craz? All carriers will serve meals (even in economy), as long as they are serving meals in general on the plane (ie, if it's a short flight, and there's just a general snack, they won't serve a full kosher meal). Otherwise, practically all of them, excluding LY, will serve Hermolis...

I was referring to the LCCs out of Lutton or Stansted where its BOB, I think EasyJet might be it

Ive been on short hauls within Europe and was told no KSML or for those really short ones nothing at all meal wise

We are flying TLV to LHR to BOS, all on BA. I know everyone will get fed on the plane, but I want the kids fed before boarding because hungry kids are grumpy kids and no one wants to fly with grumpy kids.

We may well get the same food on the plane, but that doesn't bother me. If I do the ordering we can get food that I know they will eat. Airplane food is the luck of the draw IME.

Out of TLV I dont care for the food myself usually turkey balls with rice, which may last in my stomach for 1/2 an hr if I eat it

but out of LHR its Hermolis and I never got a meal I didnt like, now will kids like it I have no idea, but I never finished a Hermolis meal where I was still hungry, which cant be said for most Airline portions

Ah right, ok...just wanted to check. Yes, for short-haul flights (under 2.5 hours), no 'main' meal is served, just snacks. As well, LCC's such as Easyjet will charge for meals, snacks, etc...

Update on London resto, has anyone tried the new kosher deli W1?

http://thedelilondon.com/

Can someone please tell me why we need ANOTHER deli a stone's throw away from Reubens? Don't folks cae about sodium and cholesterol in their diet these days? Why can't anyone think of opening a proper milky kosher resto in West End? (Am I the only one who fancy milky tea in the afternoon?)
These days I mostly go to Isolla Bella at Westfield (short hop on Central Line).

http://www.isolabella.co.uk/

And has anyone tried ex-Novellino Brasserie 103 (another loss for milky option)?

These days I mostly go to Isolla Bella at Westfield (short hop on Central Line).

http://www.isolabella.co.uk/


I have always found them very disappointing.

And has anyone tried ex-Novellino Brasserie 103 (another loss for milky option)?

Yes. Some very nice stuff, and the fish I had was excellent - maybe not milky, but not necessarily meaty. They have the original Novellino chef, who is quite creative.

I tend to like Isola Bella, though I don't go that often.

Brasserie 103 is on my list of places to go. Papalina in Edgware, though a little way out of Central London, tends to be very good as well - they have an 'all-you-can-eat' menu option too!

Update on London resto, has anyone tried the new kosher deli W1?

http://thedelilondon.com/

Can someone please tell me why we need ANOTHER deli a stone's throw away from Reubens? Don't folks cae about sodium and cholesterol in their diet these days? Why can't anyone think of opening a proper milky kosher resto in West End? (Am I the only one who fancy milky tea in the afternoon?)
These days I mostly go to Isolla Bella at Westfield (short hop on Central Line).



well this new place seems to be under the LBD, I know a number of people who wont eat @ Reubens due to the hecksher. But it does seem that this place also isnt Glatt, and that Reubens offers alot more on its menu.

sort of surprised Reubens didnt take them to a BD , now if Deli west is Glatt then I could see why 2 places could exist

Has anyone been to the new/relocated Bevis Marks which is no longer at Bevis Marks? I'm venturing out for lunch in a few weeks time. Is the food/ambiance comparable to the previous site?


Papalina in Edgware, though a little way out of Central London, tends to be very good as well - they have an 'all-you-can-eat' menu option too!

It's a nice, family-friendly restaurant. BUT I'm not a fan of their "all you can eat" (AYCE) offer. Firstly, all parties need to order AYCE (very inconvenient if your party has a vegetarian or a child). Secondly, they bring you pre-arranged first course and main course before you can order additional stuff. So, obviously they try to stuff you with pita/hummous/cheaper sausages and chicken wings so you won't gorge on lamb or beef. I thought food was closer to schwarma rather than the real churrasco.