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paul_ng5
Aug 6, 08, 3:38 am
The outbound flight was on Monday 31st March 2008 returning on the 8th April 2008. Both flights were in the Club World Cabin.

Sorry to post a negative report but, the areas that we were not happy with are as follows:

1. Being advised by email that I can’t use the Online or Self-Service Check-in as my credit card used to purchase the tickets had changed. (it was stolen a month after purchasing the tickets and I was issued with a new card with a new number). I Was advised by your the BA Customer services team (I have a copy), to go to the airport ticket desk with ID and have my booking re-enabled for check-in.
We travelled down the day before our flight in order to do this (on my partners 30th birthday). On arrival at the ticket desk I was told this was not necessary, they had never heard of such a policy and that I could check in as normal. We returned to our hotel and used the online check in later that day.

2. Due to the problems with the opening of Terminal 5, both the media and the BA website, advised passengers to allow extra time to check-in. The website still states “please allow plenty of time in case of long queues, particularly at peak times” “Please allow yourself plenty of time to go through airport security checks.”
In view of this and all of the queues shown on the media, as well as witnessing for ourselves the large queues in the terminal on the day before.
We arrived at the airport at 11am to be told that we couldn’t drop our bags off until 3 hours before the flight departure.
The member of staff couldn’t give us a reason for this decision and just stated they had been given new instructions. She did state that if we were travelling First Class or had a BA Gold Card then we could check our baggage in at any time.
We were therefore left to spend the next 90 minutes sat on the terminal floor (as there is no adequate seating available landside) before we were allowed to check in. We usually travel in FIRST bu due to the flight being full in that cabin we traveled in Club (it was my partner's birthday and due to previous enguagements, the dates were not flexable.

3. At 3 hours prior to the flight departure we finally checked our baggage in, we asked the member of staff if the baggage would get delivered. He assured us that all baggage problems were now sorted, long haul baggage had never been a problem in any case and he guaranteed it would be on the plane as we were Club World passengers and baggage had priority.
At this we felt reassured and made our way to security only to find a very long queue. We went down the fast track line only to find no member of staff policing the line and therefore everyone else was using it and made the line (and the benefit of paying for this service within our ticket price) totally pointless.
We spent 25 minutes queuing for the security checks before we finally got to the airside area. We then faced a long unnecessary walk all around the retail area before we could get to the Galleries lounges, what a strange design.


4. We immediately went to the Spa area to book a massage only to be told that they couldn’t fit us in as it was 2hr 15 minutes before our flight departure, the gate closed 20 minutes before the departure time and that we should allow an extra 30 minutes on top of that as the flight left from Terminal 5B this only left a 1 hour 25 minute time slot for them to find an appointment and it was fully booked during that period. Bearing in mind it was physically impossible for us to be there any earlier due to the BA 3 hour check-in policy and the queues at security, this is another Club World benefit that we had paid for but BA were unable to fulfil.

5. We continued through to the Galleries Club Lounge to try and relax before the flight. The BA website and advertisements make it all look so promising. I quote: “The Chef’s Theatre where you can obtain a light meal from an extensive menu and then enjoy the pleasure of watching your meal being prepared in our frosted glass fronted chef’s theatre”.

What we experienced was a dirty buffet bar that had nothing but a few remnants of cold food which were not replenished once during the 80 minutes we were in there.

There was no sign of any “menu”. When I asked a member of staff where the menu was for selecting the hot food to be “prepared” for me. I was met with a shrug of the shoulders and the staff member walked off, great!

The frosted glass chef’s theatre where you can watch your meal being prepared consists of a window that is so heavily frosted it matches the reception you receive from the unhelpful staff.

The Wine Gallery offers, according to your information “An extended cellar of fine wines”. On our visit it consisted of two bottles of white wine and two bottles of red wine, no champagne. Hardly an extended cellar! Luckly I was aware that champagne was available on request.

The flight information screens were not working in the lounge meaning staff were having to use a very loud tannoy to shout the flight departures out. This totally wrecked any idea of the Galleries Club providing a “relaxing sanctuary of peace and quiet” as advertised on your website.

6. The flight to Tokyo was pretty under whelming:

My AVOD in-flight entertainment didn’t work correctly and had to be reset three times by the flight crew.

My personal TV screen was also broken and wouldn’t stay in one position without me holding it still. I reported this to the onboard crew but they were unable to fix it.

The food on board was very average, lacked flavour and was not particularly well presented. There were no vegetables offered with the Cottage Pie and the quality was more like I would expect in a supermarket cafe than a premium cabin on a world class airline.

The cushion supplied had a small stain on it and I suspect it wasn’t changed from the previous flight. The information on your website states that we would receive “damask pillows by Osborne and Little and pale taupe quilts and pillows with sky blue detail.” Where exactly are the pillows? Because there were none available on either of our flights, this prevented a good sleep.

The BA website also states that “The laptop connection point no longer needs an adaptor” Why was I therefore unable to plug in my laptop and was told by the crew I would need to purchase an adaptor to do so?

7. On arrival at Tokyo Narita Airport we were greeted by the friendly Immigration staff and processed very quickly, leading us straight through to the Baggage Reclaim. This is where our nightmare began.
As we stood by the baggage belt we discovered a board with our names on as well as many others. The sign said to go to the BA Baggage Desk. We walked over to the desk to be told by a member of staff that our baggage had not made it onto the flight. We then spent the next hour completing paperwork and trying to understand what would happen.


The staff at Narita couldn’t tell us anything, they didn’t even seem to be aware of the problems at Terminal 5. They were unable to say when the bags would arrive and could only give us a cash card for £150. They couldn’t even tell us where we could withdraw the money. They said we would have to telephone each day to find out if the bags had arrived or not, great!

By the time we had finished, all of the World Traveller Passengers had claimed their bags and left the airport. It seemed that only Business and First Class Passengers had been affected by the baggage problems, another benefit of travelling Club World gone.

We then spent another hour in the airport trying to find a cash machine to use the card you had just given us along with numerous other passengers, when we eventually found one a queue had formed and we all had to wait in turn to get our money.

All of this extra delay meant we missed our train departure to Tokyo Station and had to wait another 30 minutes longer for the next train. We finally arrived in Tokyo Station approximately 3 hours later than what we would have done if the baggage hadn’t been lost.

After checking in to our hotel we then realised we had no clothes at all other than the casual ones we had been in all day at Heathrow and for 12 hours on the plane.

We were staying in a 5 star hotel with the normal standard of dress expected to be casual but elegant. Turning up at check-in wearing jeans and a T-Shirt was understandable after a long flight, going to dinner or having a drink in the lounge in the evening would require something a touch smarter.
We realised we now had the task of finding some clothes, shoes and toiletries for the holiday.

The hotel concierge tried their best to help us giving us a list of shops and directions on how to get there. We went in shop after shop only to find that the Japanese clothing sizes were far too small to fit either myself or my partner.

We returned to the hotel to find out if there were any western stores. The only one they seemed to be able to find nearby (30 minute walk) was Diesel. We rushed over to their store as it was now 7pm and the store closed at 8pm.

We managed to find some clothes that did fit however the cost was outrageous.

Having no idea how long we would be without clothing, we purchased one pair of jeans each (This was as smart as we could find), some underwear, 5 T-Shirts between the two of us, a jumper each and a shirt each. This came to over £1,200 but we had little choice but to pay.

The £150 each given to us at the airport wouldn’t even have paid for the underwear.

We then had the task of finding a shop to get some toiletries, not as easy as you might think as it was now nearly 8:30pm but we managed it.
We returned to the hotel just before 9:30pm only to realise our dinner reservation was at 8pm in the hotel restaurant. This was supposed to be a special meal for my 30th Birthday. Not only did we waste a whole afternoon and evening sorting out the baggage situation but I missed my special birthday meal and by now we were both very angry and upset not to mention worn out so we went straight to bed.

Hope the report is not to long or wining, but BA isn't in my good books at the moment. :(


peter777
Aug 6, 08, 7:33 am
Wow! That was some infuriating experience to say the least! When I see all the problems bugging the opening of the new terminal at LHR I am inclined to dismiss the widely-held opinion that developing nations need to learn from Western countries. "Small" nations like Singapore, Hong Kong and others had fewer problems running far more sophiscated terminals.
Tell me, whose birthday was it, yours or your partner's?

obarou
Aug 6, 08, 7:51 am
I am sorry to hear about your sour experience flying to Tky..especially on ur
birthday.

As someone who has recently moved from TKY to London and that has had to choose which airline to give my business to, I am starting to think that my much debated move to Virgin was perhaps the right thing to do...

I am not sure if you have flown VS to Tokyo before, but after a few trips back
and forth in Upper Class here are some assessmets.

pre-departure:
-the obvious advantage is the car service, which to me, is a huge difference on all four legs of the return trip.
-check-in at their new upper class terminal in LHR is a breeze and a great experience. I have never had to wait more than 2 min for security clearance, and even the airport officials seem nicer there.
-the lounge is great, and food is proper cafe style and delivered on order, which is a much better option than eating on board. The spa is a hit-miss and so short anyways, I hardly bother with it...but you can book in advance for a treatment (they are usually fully booked if you haven't).
-the lounge at narita is smaller and usually packed, but similar service with food served at your seat. check-in/security is a mixed bag since there are
no priority lanes, but this is true for any airline except JAL/ANA...

in-flight:
-service is very casual and friendly (esp on the Tky flights), so will depend on ur preference.
-food is, for me, the biggest negative in flying with VS. It is mediocre at best, and usually bad... eat in the lounge before u board and go for generic breakfast menus. I miss the great first/business meals in ANA, but at the end of the day, airplane food is airplane food...
-the VS suites are showing their age,, and i have had a few IFEs falter on me, but i usually tend to sleep on most of my flights and the suites do the job for me. big plus for the sleep suits and proper duvet and pillow. seat not great to sit/lounge in, but for me sleep is essential for being in one piece at the other end of the journey.

arrival:
-never problems with luggage on VS. bags not tagged priority but bar coded for priority and always first out in tokyo and there by the time i clear customs in London (which is so long anyhow...).
-very polite japanese taxi drivers whisk me away to my destination, another huge plus considering the pain of carrying the luggage down to the train, or busses.

you mention you normally fly First with BA, which will skew things, but based on your bad T5 experiences and baggage, i would suggest you give VS a shot on your next flight. it is not a classy first class experience on board, but i always feel very relaxed arriving rested at my destination in my car w/o dealing with changing money, etc, and have no complaints!

if you ever need emergency clothing in tky again (hopefully not) try to ask the concierge for the american brands - banana republic/gap/etc which normally have larger sizes....and cheaper than diesel.

just a few thoughts...hope it helps.


paul_ng5
Aug 6, 08, 8:06 am
I was wishing we travelled on Virgin now.

The worst thing was BA loosing our baggage and having to spend a whole day in Tokyo looking for clothing. We were only in Japan for a week, so we lost a whole day looking for clothes.

On the good side, its an excuse to visit Japan again. It was the best holiday we have ever had. It was just a shame that the BA flights were a severe disapointment. I would have upgraded to FIRST if there was availability.

I am sorry to hear about your sour experience flying to Tky..especially on ur
birthday.

As someone who has recently moved from TKY to London and that has had to choose which airline to give my business to, I am starting to think that my much debated move to Virgin was perhaps the right thing to do...

I am not sure if you have flown VS to Tokyo before, but after a few trips back
and forth in Upper Class here are some assessmets.

pre-departure:
-the obvious advantage is the car service, which to me, is a huge difference on all four legs of the return trip.
-check-in at their new upper class terminal in LHR is a breeze and a great experience. I have never had to wait more than 2 min for security clearance, and even the airport officials seem nicer there.
-the lounge is great, and food is proper cafe style and delivered on order, which is a much better option than eating on board. The spa is a hit-miss and so short anyways, I hardly bother with it...but you can book in advance for a treatment (they are usually fully booked if you haven't).
-the lounge at narita is smaller and usually packed, but similar service with food served at your seat. check-in/security is a mixed bag since there are
no priority lanes, but this is true for any airline except JAL/ANA...

in-flight:
-service is very casual and friendly (esp on the Tky flights), so will depend on ur preference.
-food is, for me, the biggest negative in flying with VS. It is mediocre at best, and usually bad... eat in the lounge before u board and go for generic breakfast menus. I miss the great first/business meals in ANA, but at the end of the day, airplane food is airplane food...
-the VS suites are showing their age,, and i have had a few IFEs falter on me, but i usually tend to sleep on most of my flights and the suites do the job for me. big plus for the sleep suits and proper duvet and pillow. seat not great to sit/lounge in, but for me sleep is essential for being in one piece at the other end of the journey.

arrival:
-never problems with luggage on VS. bags not tagged priority but bar coded for priority and always first out in tokyo and there by the time i clear customs in London (which is so long anyhow...).
-very polite japanese taxi drivers whisk me away to my destination, another huge plus considering the pain of carrying the luggage down to the train, or busses.

you mention you normally fly First with BA, which will skew things, but based on your bad T5 experiences and baggage, i would suggest you give VS a shot on your next flight. it is not a classy first class experience on board, but i always feel very relaxed arriving rested at my destination in my car w/o dealing with changing money, etc, and have no complaints!

if you ever need emergency clothing in tky again (hopefully not) try to ask the concierge for the american brands - banana republic/gap/etc which normally have larger sizes....and cheaper than diesel.

just a few thoughts...hope it helps.

CarlTheWebmaster
Aug 6, 08, 3:01 pm
Sorry to hear about your experience, OP. If you're not tied to Oneworld, I can heartily recommend NH in C (or F if you can get it). Fantastic service and great lounges in NRT. Flat-but-not-horizontal seating in C but very comfortable, but delightful food offerings!

I fly NRT-IAD a lot on NH, and recently flew NRT-LHR. Very, very consistent service.

-C

obarou
Aug 6, 08, 5:08 pm
glad to hear that you enjoyed Japan! I hope you make a visit again, next
time traveling in perfect style.

If you are dedicated to Oneworld, and travel paid F, i suggest you try JAL. LHR still gets the odd futuristic single pod style seats, but service/food is amazing on JAL albeit very old-school Japanese.
if you have no frequent flyer restrictions, I personally believe ANA is the better choice in F until JAL gets the newest seats rolled out to LHR. service/food equally amazing on NH.

C in either JL of NH is a different experience vs BA and VS... seating is conventional lie-flat but if you are traveling on pleasure with your partner that may not be a bad thing. service and food are miles ahead of the western airlines, but NH is better with restaurant style service. some experience language problems w/ the FAs but if you liked japan, i don't think this will be problem for you. different country, different styles.

since i fly mostly alone on business, after considering my options, i chose VS for the overall value and convenience of the car service/privacy of the suites..etc. but people will have different priorities.
having said that, this is one of those routes that have good premium cabin choices, so try some other options next time and report back!

flying MD
Aug 6, 08, 5:46 pm
Was it your birthday or your partner's birthday? ;-)

redshift27
Aug 6, 08, 8:29 pm
But this is not a trip report, is it? It is clearly a salvo in a protracted campaign to get compensation from BA, and you have cut and pasted from a letter of complaint:

I Was advised by your the BA Customer services team

The Wine Gallery offers, according to your information

as advertised on your website.

The information on your website states

You have my sympathies, but please be honest with us.

skye1
Aug 6, 08, 8:42 pm
The £150 each given to us at the airport wouldn’t even have paid for the underwear.

One can't get underwear for £150 / $300 ?

chanp
Aug 6, 08, 11:32 pm
One can't get underwear for £150 / $300 ?

i know VS has like a 15million dollar bra :) or did years ago

but thats too bad with the experience u had

paul_ng5
Aug 7, 08, 3:21 am
Many apologies for the typos, one can get into a rut sometimes when typing :cool:

We are off to New Zealand next year.

camsean
Aug 7, 08, 4:36 am
Having no idea how long we would be without clothing, we purchased one pair of jeans each (This was as smart as we could find), some underwear, 5 T-Shirts between the two of us, a jumper each and a shirt each. This came to over £1,200 but we had little choice but to pay.

The £150 each given to us at the airport wouldn’t even have paid for the underwear.
:(

I'm sorry but that's crazy.

It was your choice to spend a stupid amount of money on a few items of clothing. I really hope you are not going to ask BA to compensate you for this bad decsion. It will weaken the rest of your quite valid complaint letter.

paul_ng5
Aug 7, 08, 4:45 am
We had excellent travel insurance who re-imbursed us within 7 days of making the claim. We could have spent the rest of the holiday looking for clothes but knowing we had a good travel insurance policy we found a local store in the nearby Roppongi Hills.

We received 20,000 BA miles each from British airways plus 15,000 miles each for the problems with the problems with the on board entertainment system.

:)

I'm sorry but that's crazy.

It was your choice to spend a stupid amount of money on a few items of clothing. I really hope you are not going to ask BA to compensate you for this bad decsion. It will weaken the rest of your quite valid complaint letter.

TravisMT81
Aug 10, 08, 3:14 pm
Here in the states Diesel undies are 30-40 dollars each.

paul_ng5
Aug 10, 08, 3:17 pm
Here in the states Diesel undies are 30-40 dollars each.

Good to see my underpants are a topic of conversation. Good to hear you can buy them in the usa for 30-40USD. Shame I was the other side of the world. :D

daveinsf
Aug 10, 08, 4:22 pm
Your sad tale makes me glad I carry a change of clothes in my carry-on. That way in the event of lost luggage I can use the express laundry service most hotels offer on a nightly basis until my luggage turns up. I can't imagine spending $1200 per person on the first day luggage was missing and expecting to be reimbursed for it.

paul_ng5
Aug 11, 08, 2:36 am
Your sad tale makes me glad I carry a change of clothes in my carry-on. That way in the event of lost luggage I can use the express laundry service most hotels offer on a nightly basis until my luggage turns up. I can't imagine spending $1200 per person on the first day luggage was missing and expecting to be reimbursed for it.

1. Insurance - we were fully insured. £600 (£150 each care of our American Express British Airways Executive card plus travel insurance.

2. Why waste time on an already short trip looking for clothes?

skye1
Aug 12, 08, 8:04 pm
i know VS has like a 15million dollar bra :) or did years ago

but thats too bad with the experience u had

The experience I had? Or the OP?? I have posted nothing of my personal underwear-shopping experiences here...or anywhere on FT :D I'm assuming you're referring to the OP.

I'd never spend that much on underwear. And have been to enough places across the planet to know that, despite being on the other side of the world, one can find such things for a lot less.

Interesting that the OP's travel insurance apparently paid for it, 'tho.

jakuda
Aug 14, 08, 1:42 am
..................
We then had the task of finding a shop to get some toiletries, not as easy as you might think as it was now nearly 8:30pm but we managed it.........

I've never had a problem finding a 7-11, FamilyMart, or equivalent in Tokyo for toiletries which are open past 8:30pm :confused:

Kettering Northants QC
Aug 14, 08, 3:39 am
Faced with spending £150 on underwear I think I would have gone Commando!

AndyFlyer
Aug 14, 08, 4:01 am
The mantra "be prepared" should be ringing clearly in the OP's mind. True, the BA website paints a fantastic picture of Club World, but everyone knows the reality of marketing spiel vs actual experience. Remember "LGW - the hub without the hubbub" malarkey? So, be prepared - I always have clean undies, socks, t-shirt and shirt in my carryon - enough to get me through the first 24 hours at my destination. I've also never had a problem with 5* hotels coming up with travel kits, either, along with any other essentials such as hair gel, spray deodorant, etc. It may not be my normal brand, but it does at least cover the requirements until either your bags arrive, or you are in more of a fit state to shop for new things. And my last bit of advice - I always travel with a jacket. I find the pockets come in handy for holding passport, pens, cell phone and all other essentials I may need access to quickly, but I cannot tell you the number of times I have been given preferential treatment because I look smart when travelling. I may have jeans on, too, for the casual, comfy look, but always have a blazer or jacket with me as well.

Enjoy NZ, it is a fantastic country!

HedgeFundFlyer
Aug 14, 08, 7:35 am
Despite the OP's claim to usually travel in First, it sounds as though the OP has never traveled before. "What, it's not like the website?!?" Aside from having delayed delivery of baggage (an annoying but normal occurrence), everything else cited in the report is a matter of fanciful expectations not being met and poor decision making.

nomad1974
Aug 14, 08, 7:54 am
Despite the OP's claim to usually travel in First, it sounds as though the OP has never traveled before. "What, it's not like the website?!?" Aside from having delayed delivery of baggage (an annoying but normal occurrence), everything else cited in the report is a matter of fanciful expectations not being met and poor decision making.

I concur. I also struggle to comprehend how somebody who "usually travel[s] in FIRST" would not be a BAEC Gold cardholder. Not to mention, is not aware that things don't always work according to the brochures (or, in this case, website) - which I am sure is also the case in FIRST.

So, to the OP - my sympathies for not having a great experience but - as somebody else has already mentioned - please be honest :)



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