JetBlue TrueBlue - Ontario service discontinued

Effective September 3.

Expect more route cuts

Hardly a surprise knowing that the transcons are the hardest routes to make a profit on.

It's sad to see B6's first West Coast dot disappear.

Sad to see ONT go, especially after it just celebrated its 8th anniversary in the JetBlue system. This was the most predicted-to-be-cut city from the system on the forums as of recent. Still a great deal of SoCal coverage...though some inconveniences for crewmembers and customers. Hopefully the crewmembers decide to stay with B6 and the customers choose another BlueCity nearby.

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Add to it:

BOS-SFO
BOS-SJC

are also gone along with some seasonal route changes out of IAD. Transcons make no money right now so while it is sad to see them go, they need to go while fuel is trading high and to keep us competitive.

It's sad to see B6's first West Coast dot disappear.

It has always been an evening departure from JFK and red-eye back to JFK, right?

Well no wonder B6 was not that successful at ONT.

It has always been an evening departure from JFK and red-eye back to JFK, right?

Well no wonder B6 was not that successful at ONT.

That flight, in actuality, has great loads (I looked at the loads tonight, and they're good). People fly our red eyes.

It has always been an evening departure from JFK and red-eye back to JFK, right?

Well no wonder B6 was not that successful at ONT.

Actually, in the beginning, ONT was extremely successful. Redeye flights enable JetBlue to utilize the aircraft overnight, where it is generating revenue, instead of it being a RON. However, circumstances drastically change when oil hits $130+, compared with ~$30.

That flight, in actuality, has great loads (I looked at the loads tonight, and they're good). People fly our red eyes.

Again high loads do not equal profits..............

Again high loads do not equal profits..............

Precisely. One word: Yields. My reply was commenting on that despite operating times at ONT, flights load up easily, and that had nothing to do with the station's closing. The operating performance of the physical flight, as well as the overhead costs of one flight a day station, were the main reason.

It has always been an evening departure from JFK and red-eye back to JFK, right?

Well no wonder B6 was not that successful at ONT.

JetBlue had also ran some day time flights in the past to ONT. They never were able to go past a seasonally slated position when it came to adding more flights.

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Add to it:

BOS-SFO
BOS-SJC

are also gone along with some seasonal route changes out of IAD. Transcons make no money right now so while it is sad to see them go, they need to go while fuel is trading high and to keep us competitive.

Fools. So now I have to fly UA? Thanks so much...

Fools. So now I have to fly UA? Thanks so much...

You could connect in JFK or AUS to go to SFO and connect in JFK or LGB for SJC.

You could connect in JFK or AUS to go to SFO and connect in JFK or LGB for SJC.

Keep on dreamin'

Keep on dreamin'

I'm with you... Really going to miss the SFO nonstop.

:( This change comes right as I'm about to start flying ONT-NYC semi-regularly for the next 3 years! Bah.

Keep on dreamin'

You can still jet BOS-OAK nonstop, right across the bay, if it's not that far out of the way for you.

What's the future of the BUR-IAD nonstop look like? I'm starting to take that route quite a bit these days.

Unfortunately, we're going to see a lot more of a hub and spoke type of operations when it comes to east/west travel. AUS will see a lot of the action as well as a few other mid-way points. Remember the days when STL was rumored to be added and be used almost as if AUS is being developed now?

What's the future of the BUR-IAD nonstop look like? I'm starting to take that route quite a bit these days.

IAD-BUR is suppose to see seasonal reductions. According to our release it isn't going away but will be reduced in the off season. Included in the reductions are: JFK-SMF, IAD-LAS and IAD-SAN. I don't exactly know when they will be removed from the schedule.

Is IAD-BUR the going to be operated during the holidays? Have a ticket booked in December.

You can still jet BOS-OAK nonstop, right across the bay, if it's not that far out of the way for you.

If TCONs are so unprofitable, why keep BOS-OAK and NYC-SFO/OAK?
NYC - SFO is served by 6 airlines! BOS - SFO only 2.

If TCONs are so unprofitable, why keep BOS-OAK and NYC-SFO/OAK?
NYC - SFO is served by 6 airlines! BOS - SFO only 2.

Unfortunately I don't know, as I am not the number cruncher around here. But I am sure they did their work and saw that ONT and BOS-SFO had to be dropped in this current state.

BOS-OAK will stay (for now at least) because they are both key focus cities and have been served for some time. NYC-SFO/OAK, same story, with the exception of SFO not being a focus city. JetBlue is a NYC-based airline, so I would expect them to continue operating a key route like that, with seasonal adjustments. I'm guessing SFO is there for a similar reason as ORD: customer preference/demand. It's definitely not the bread & butter of the system, but it sure compliments the network.

Does BOS-OAK nonstop work for you?

I have a flight booked in August? Am I safe, or will B6 contact me if there are any changes?

The fares in the markets that we are keeping have risen enough to either squeak a small profit or relative little loss. The loads are there for the other flights but the fares just haven't come up enough to cover the costs and hence their removal or downgrading.

If TCONs are so unprofitable, why keep BOS-OAK and NYC-SFO/OAK?
NYC - SFO is served by 6 airlines! BOS - SFO only 2.

It is my understanding that OAK is more of a 'low-fare' carrier airport and, therefore, may have lower overhead costs to operate in/out of.

To your "fools" comment earlier in the thread: I can understand your displeasure losing a route you like, but they'd truly be fools to keep running it if it loses them money.

I have a flight booked in August? Am I safe, or will B6 contact me if there are any changes?

Most of the changes will happen after Labor Day. Just be on the safe side, just keep checking your reservation online every week or so.

If TCONs are so unprofitable, why keep BOS-OAK and NYC-SFO/OAK?
NYC - SFO is served by 6 airlines! BOS - SFO only 2.

OAK has much lower costs and delays than SFO. So, it's much cheaper and reliable from an operational standpoint.

Why keep NYC-SFO over BOS-SFO? Have you noticed that NYC is a MUCH larger market (and international hub) than BOS? In addition, NYC is the home base of B6 and they can exploit economies of scale at JFK.

I'm really surprised about BOS-SJC getting the can -- there are a ton of hi-tech companies with offices in both places (including my last three employers!) and B6 are the only airline flying that route nonstop. (AA used to, many years ago.) I just broke the news to my boss and he said it was 'heartbreaking' because he flies the route all the time. He's not looking forward to having to go up to OAK or connect somewhere.

Well, oil is coming down so that should help.

I no longer live in SoCal, but I really mourn the passing of this flight. I used to live within a 20 minute drive of ONT. When B6 could fly you on that route for $99 each way (those were the days!) I would go to NYC for one (very long) day for under $300 all expenses included -- leave ONT at 12.01am, return from JFK at 11.00pm the same day. Loads were always very good but of course as everyone has said loads are not dispositive when oil is $130/barrel.

The terminal at ONT most nights was deserted save for this flight (once or twice a week AeroMexico also had a gate). The concessions were even crappier than they usually are at ONT because they only kept one small food alcove open but you had the terminal to yourself. I would arrive early and get lots of work done, then sleep on the plane.

This was also the first flight I took post 9/11. I still remember the B6 gate agent checking through my carry-on with white gloves (remember the anthrax scare?) and realizing we were now in a new world. I so respected B6 in November of 2001 for not blocking access to the news channels on the in-seat TVs. Instead there was a little card asking you to be respectful of the people around you when choosing which programs to watch. I thought that was classy, and treated the pax like adults.

This is just my own little sentimental reminiscence. Thanks for indulging me.

This is related and unrelated at the same time..with xjet going away and now B6's ONT flight, I am really worried if ONT will be around after August (maybe with only WN being the one left there).

Clearly ONT-JFK fares will go up now since there is less competition on that route.

Rasheed

Um, nobody else flies ONT-JFK.

It probably does mean though that fares could go up a bit now for all airlines who service ONT-NYC with a stop.

I find a R/T all-in fare from Continental (ONT-LGA via IAH) at $291. That seems really low to me.

Um, nobody else flies ONT-JFK.

It probably does mean though that fares could go up a bit now for all airlines who service ONT-NYC with a stop.

I find a R/T all-in fare from Continental (ONT-LGA via IAH) at $291. That seems really low to me.


That's what I meant, LAX-JFK was typically more expensive than ONT-JFK (with a stop). For those that could take the stop, it was a good deal situation.

Rasheed