Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - those 99 Euro fares / fare basis question
Jul 11, 08, 6:03 am
did a bit of searching, but normally, what are the fare basis for those 99 Euro intra-European flights? are they those S or T class fares?
i'm a UA MP member, and would like to accrue miles for these flights, are they eligible, or do i only earn the 125 miles?
Jul 11, 08, 6:06 am
Jul 11, 08, 6:42 am
E class- okay, thanks.
I checked my previous discount bookings:
Ready to Fly- intercontinental in late 2007, Y.
Ready to Fly- to the Baltics in summer 2007, S.
Package hotel + flight with LX- within Europe in early 2008, T.
In all cases I got full mileage.
So if I'm looking specifically at Porto, it is 99 Euro on LH, and I can get the same flights and the hotel at expedia.de for 200-something. Are the fare basis different in these two cases?
Jul 12, 08, 3:34 am
I flew MUC-BHX on a Ready to Fly ticket some weeks ago. It was S, which means for M&L 750 miles per segment.
Usually RTF is W or S or similar but I've never seen E, L or T.
If you book a regular 99€ flight intra-europe, that's mostly E, L, T with 125 miles for M&L.
According to MP:
Economy Y B E* G H K L* M Q S T* U* V W 100% / 500 miles minimum*
*Effective July 1, 2008, all travel on Lufthansa credited to the Mileage Plus program will accrue actual miles, with no minimum.
* No mileage accrual on flights within Europe
So you won't earn miles for MP with a E, L, T-fare within Europe.
And for all other Eco-fares you will get the actual miles instead of the 500 minimum. That's i.e. for FRA-CDG about 280 miles.
Jul 12, 08, 3:56 am
So we are going to rename "Mileage Plus" to "Mileage Less". :D
However, this is simple economics. Miles are nothing but a discount. And you cannot expect too much of a discount on a heavily discounted fare (I still remember the old days before 2004 when I got 1250 LH miles for the cheapest LH fares. This was simply insane...)
Jul 12, 08, 7:08 am
Yes, discount is a good synonym for it.
But it's still remarkable how the *A-programs differ.
Just take a look on the recent change at UA concerning actual miles. Or, more 'heavy': look on Business class miles:
Business Class C D 125% / 500 miles minimum*
FRA-CDG with M&L gives you 2000, with UA ML just 500 (if I read the T&C correctly).
I'm just wondering how UA can do this. Almost everyday you can read in the news about UAL Corp suffering and strugling. And than this kind of 'service'. I'm far away from beeing an expert in economics but there're too many things I don't understand.
Isn't there enough competition even within Star Alliance?
Early in 2008 I decided to try to achieve LH FTL _and_ UA Prem Exec this year with 3-5 TATL flights. UA 2P just for EPA. Enough Miles for that plan, because early plannings had 1 C and 3-4 Y tickets (I do have E+ access) in addition to several intra-european flights.
I cancelled 2 already booked Eco-tickets with UA and rebooked them on LH Z. And now I'm 'hunting' for SEN and nothing with UA. If everything goes as planned, I'll have 135T miles by end of August and about 170T by end of 2008. If UA ML would give more miles on C tickets I could still additional go for 1P this year with my intra-european travel. In return, they would get 3-4 Economy flights MUC-U.S. next year (due to E+).
I used to love flying UA just due to E+. I'm not a heavy traveller as other people here at FT. But 18 TATL in 5 years. IIRC 13 with UA E+, 1 SAS C, 2 SAS Y, 1 LH Y and 1 LH C. A couple of years ago UA allowed *S to get E+. They stopped it in 2006. At that time I started to use other carriers.
I'd still prefer to fly UA in E+ instead of LH C - but I want to stay in M&L. Getting E+ today, you need to collect miles to UA ML, even if you pay the 349$ as I did. Any yes, I'd known this before.
That's not a complaint! Just sharing my thoughts on economics.....
Everyone has the right to choose with whom to fly and with whose T&C. So do I.
I love to hear other opinions on that - because as I already mentioned I'm not an expert in economics.