Travel Technology - Headphones: Isolation or Noise Cancelling?

I have a nice set of Sennheiser HD280 pros (http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=004974) I bought for a noisy workplace a year ago. I love these headphones SO much. They're full overear isolation headphones, and I find they block out most ambient noise along with everything else. They also enable me to listen to movies and music at low, non-earblasting volumes.

Lately I've been looking around at noise cancelling headphones (specifically the Sennheiser PXC450s (http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=500643), but I'm not sure if it's worth spending the extra $450 on a second set. What say my fellow FTers? Is it worth investing in a set of noise cancellation headphones, or is my isolation set alright? What do you fly with?

I'm half tempted to buy the PXC450s to try them out on a flight and return them if they don't provide a significant improvement over the HD280 Pros.

I'm not sure how much noise the 280s block, but I've always been a fan of the in-ear isolating phones for use on airplanes. My weapon of choice right now are the Shure SE530PTH earphones.

Noise-cancelling headphones typically eliminate about 15 dB of noise. Noise-isolating earphones are more like 25-30 dB.

I have 3 or 4 sets of NC 'phones laying around somewhere, but I've been using Etymotic and Shure in-ear's for several years now.

I like the Sennheiser 280s, but if you get 10-12 dB of isolation, you'd be lucky! Yes they isolate, but only to a certain extent. The ear protection muffs that fit over your ear and are commonly used for construction or industry are around 20-24 dB of isolation, but they are so tight on your head you'd go nuts after an hour of wearing them, the seal around the ears being critical to their performance. So noise canceling headphones like the ones you listed overcome the poor isolation of regular headphone muffs (because of added comfort) by counteracting the background noise with it's inverse within the muff, netting an additional 6-12 dB of isolation beyond the 10 or so dB isolation of just the muffs themselves.

So yes, you will hear an improvement in noise isolation with noise canceling headphones. Whether it's enough, that's for you to try out at a local stereo shop. I personally don't like noise cancellation headphones, they make my ears tired, but considering I make a living based on my ability to hear really well (I'm in pro audio), I'm more attuned to those problems.

In-ear earphones, especially when combined with custom molds for your ear canals give you the greatest isolation possible (as much as 36 dB or more, depending on fit) without having to resort to noise canceling circuitry. Because of their small size and good fit, they tend to be more comfortable for long flights.

Just for your reference, a 6 dB SPL gain or loss in level is technically double or half the volume respectively. Some in my industry argue that perhaps 10 dB SPL gain or loss is what the average person *perceives* to be a doubling or halving of volume respectively. dB SPL follows a 20log relationship.

The ear protection muffs that fit over your ear and are commonly used for construction or industry are around 20-24 dB of isolation, but they are so tight on your head you'd go nuts after an hour of wearing them, the seal around the ears being critical to their performance. .

I'm heading to the Indianapolis 500 this weekend and for years I've been wearing industrial ear protection. I also snake some earbuds inside so I can listen to the radio broadcast.

Now, I've since obtained a pair of QC3's, but from the sound of this thread, they probably wouldn't do better than the industrial gear I wear, as the race is extremely noisey. I'd like to try the QC3's since I don't have to use earbuds, but I prefer the protection over the comfort.

Anyone else try Bose at the races?

I have Etymotic ER4 noise isolation and the ever-popular Bose QC3 noise cancelling. I like them both but for different reasons.

Noise Isolation
+ small enough to put in your pocket
+ good to use on subway / metro etc
+ no batteries
+ decent sound quality

- if I move around (walking for example) I can "hear" the headphones; i.e. I get this "thump thump" sound as my feet hit the pavement. It's extremely annoying and to me, it makes the headphones useless unless I'm sitting down in an airplane or on the metro
- sound quality is decent but not as good as my Bose. I often wonder if the Shure will sound better than Etymotic but I've never tried them
- After 5+ hours, I find it hurts to have something stuck in my ears
- The noise isolation works basically by inserting a small sound tube surrounded by a thin rubber membrane. Although this doesn't happen often, air pressure changes on an airplane can be frightfully difficult to deal with when your inner ear is isolated from your surroundings by a thin rubber membrane. The solution of course is to remove the headphones, but even at cruising altitude this can be an occasional annoyance.
- Noise isolation works well, but I find that I do have to turn the volume a little higher then with my noise cancelling. It's possible this is an efficiency thing (impedence of the headphones for example)

Noise Cancelling
+ Generally pretty good sound
+ I find that the QC3 on-ear design is less bulky than the QC2 and QC1 over-ear design
+ The (rechargeable) battery lasts a long time. I've flown YYZ - HKG (17h) without difficulty
+ The noise cancellation works very well. As a result, I don't have to turn the volume of my iPod very high. Clearly this is better long term for my ears.

- The QC3 uses a battery. Like all batteries I'm sure this one will die eventually. Like all batteries it will die at a moment I'm not near a (Bose) battery store.
- Design is still bulky. This is not a headphone I would use casually; just on airplanes really.
- Although the noise cancellation is great, it does (for me and evidently for Arthurrs above) generate some fatigue. I can't listen with these headphones for longer than 4 - 5 hours without feeling tired.
- Both the on-ear design of the QC3 and the over-ear design of the QC2 slightly squish my ears closer to my head. As such, after 4 - 5 hours of listening my ears hurt a little.


In the end, I'm glad I have both Bose noise cancelling and Etymotic noise isolation. On long flights, I always start with my Bose, but typically (after 4 - 5 hours) switch to the Etymotics for a bit, then back to the Bose. For short hops I just take the Etymotics as they fit easily into a pocket.

Here is how I think about it. I have the Shure E4c and Bose Q3s. My brother has the Shure S530 and E5c, Ars Technica and I have bought several as gifts for friends.

1) If your ears aren't irritated by the in ear models, like the Shures, Etymotics, Ultimate Ears, go with those. As mentioned above, they will block out more noise, are smaller and require no batteries.

2) If your ears are irritated, go for the Bose QC3 or QC2. If you're on a budget the Audio Technica are similar to the QC2 for about $120 shipped.

My weapon of choice right now are the Shure SE530PTH earphones.


IMO, these can't be beat.

I find westone UM1s sound isolation in-earphones incredible value. Just over $100. I had a pair of UM2s and loved them, but alas left them on a flight. Checking out the cheaper UM1s, the sound is a little flatter but still good and the comfort and sound isolation is the same. Particularly happy with the near zero microphonics.

I personally like Live Wires for my IEM's I have UE 5's and 10's shure 500pth and IMO price performance wise Live Wires.

There $250 custom's hmmmm .....
http://www.livewiresforyou.com/

Go for isolation. I was impressed enough with noise canceling headphones that I ended up buying two different types some years ago. I was frustrated because I like listening to audio books and passing sounds (like a bus going by) would make me miss a phrase. I couldn't use them in the subway unless the volume was cranked all the way up.

A friend convinced me to invest in a set from Shure. Wow, what a difference! Because it blocks out all but the loudest noise, I can keep the volume to 4-5/10. As for comfort, I always found the in-ear type earphones marginally comfortable; I could only wear them for two or three hours without having to take them off. The Shures I can wear for all day - and have done just that while hiking. I've tried three different models and have been satisfied with each of them.

I use Shure in-ear phones and am very happy with them ^

My Sony over-ear noise canceling headphones work pretty good.

But they're big and bulky which is why I now use Phillip's HN-060 in ear, noise canceling ear buds. They're light, small, and VERY affordable.

Only problem has been with the ear tips . . . . They come off easily and Phillip's doesn't sell replacements. Ended up going to earplugstore.stores.yahoo.net/roaupfprfore.html for those.

Another vote for the Shure 530PTH here.

One advantage that the in ear devices have over the noise cancelling headphones is that they reduce all frequencies, whilst the noise cancelling phones only cancel low frequency noise.

My Sony noise cancelling headphones actually amplified external high frequency noise, such that someone slamming an overhead bin would make me jump!

Another vote for the Shure 530PTH here.

One advantage that the in ear devices have over the noise cancelling headphones is that they reduce all frequencies, whilst the noise cancelling phones only cancel low frequency noise.



And if you spring for these, pony up a few more dollars and get some earphone tips custom made. I've worn lots of headphones and used lots of earphones doing my job over the past 20 years, and think those shure are the best in-ear I've ever tried....in fact, the only ones I've been able to wear for more than just a few minutes. The sound I get with the SE-530 can't be matched. I did a trial with each of their offerings, and while the lower end ones did a good job, these blew them out of the water.

I had been a happy bose CQ2 wearer since they were released, but rarely take those cans out of the case these days.

I switched from Bose to Shure. As said, no batteries, small, better protection from ambient sound.

For me the real plus is that even the less than top of the line Shures have much, much better sound reproduction. If you listen to music that requires good reproduction, no comparison for quality.

I use the E5's. Thinking about upgrading to the newer E530's. I don't happen to like the PTH. Too much wire. Just me. I find it quite easy to take the triple flange ear tips in and out.

As to comfort? A very personal thing. For me, the triple flanges are fine on 15 hours runs trans-con -> trans ocean.

I've been reading though a bunch of threads on earphones/headphones.

I used to have an on-ear Sony which I was very happy with but now the noise-cancelling is dead (for the rest they still work) and I haven't been able to find anyone who can fix them. I also still had a pair of in-ear Sony's lying around (the cheap ones - they retail for about $60 I think) and HATE them. I've tried all bud sizes and they just don't fit comfortably and the stupid battery is on the cord so the wait pulls your head down a bit - annoying.

From reading this and others threads I realise that in-ear is probably best in terms of weight, size and volume, IF you can stand them.

I'm considering getting the Shure 530PTH and then have the buds customised (and where would I have that done here in the UK?).

Would that work, or is it a case of hating the in-ear once, hate it forever?

If I did get them I've read mixed reports on the PTH. It'd be handy for in airplanes I guess but some say it's a bit large and ugly. Whaddayareckon?

From reading this and others threads I realise that in-ear is probably best in terms of weight, size and volume, IF you can stand them.

I'm considering getting the Shure 530PTH and then have the buds customised (and where would I have that done here in the UK?).

Would that work, or is it a case of hating the in-ear once, hate it forever?

If I did get them I've read mixed reports on the PTH. It'd be handy for in airplanes I guess but some say it's a bit large and ugly. Whaddayareckon?

I've never been happy with how well the PTH does on airplanes, so I don't really use it much. If I need to talk, I just pull out one earbud.

As far as custom earmolds in the UK, a quick Google suggests these folks:

http://www.enhancedlistening.co.uk/Headphones--Custom-&-Generic-Earpieces/Custom-&-Generic-Earpieces/c-1-433-270/

GBP25+VAT sounds pretty reasonable.

In-ear isolate headphones. First set were Shures. May try Sennheiser next.

As far as custom earmolds in the UK, a quick Google suggests these folks:

http://www.enhancedlistening.co.uk/Headphones--Custom-&-Generic-Earpieces/Custom-&-Generic-Earpieces/c-1-433-270/

GBP25+VAT sounds pretty reasonable.

Yes, but that's only for the measurement. The custom earpieces are GBP60, so it adds a rather whopping GBP to the earphones so that's a total of about GBP300 :eek:

My main fear is that I won't be able to get used to in-ear buds in which case it'd be a lot of money to lose.

My experience with the Sony earphones was bad but then again, these are cheap buds...Not sure yet what to do...

- sound quality is decent but not as good as my Bose.

You're not talking about accuracy of reproduction, because the Etymotic ER4 (http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er4-ts.aspx) are far better than the Bose QC-x headsets in accurately reproducing sound. Even the low end 6i is better than any Bose QC-x model. Does Bose even publish frequency response plots for their headphones?

That's the problem. Most people are not looking for accurate sound, they're looking for bass-heavy sound, which is what Bose generally provides in their audio products. It's also the same reason that the Etymotic 6i has a boosted bass response (http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er6i-ts.aspx); not for accuracy, but because people like that kind of inaccurate frequency response.

Yes, but that's only for the measurement. The custom earpieces are GBP60, so it adds a rather whopping GBP to the earphones so that's a total of about GBP300 :eek:


Whoops, missed that part. The 60 pounds is in-line with what's being charged here in the US typically ($110-120).

An easy way to see if you'll be comfortable with earphones is to just buy a set of foam earplugs and wear them for a while (maybe sleep in them). If you can wear the yellow foam ones for a while (the ones that're just foam cylinders), then you should be OK. (sometimes these come in white as well)

I suggest the cylindrical non-tapered ones because IMO they're the stiffest material used for foam plugs - I come from experience, as I have to wear earplugs a lot when I go on the plant floor, and I've worn all types.

These are the type:

http://earplugstore.stores.yahoo.net/eclpvcfopln2.html

If you can handle them, earphones will be no sweat.

Thanks bdjohns1, for your very helpful reply. I think I was given some of those on a plane the other day. I'll look 'em up and try them for a while. I love good sound and as I travel all the time these days 90% of my listening would be on these headphones so the cost is not the main concern.

Whoops, missed that part. The 60 pounds is in-line with what's being charged here in the US typically ($110-120).

An easy way to see if you'll be comfortable with earphones is to just buy a set of foam earplugs and wear them for a while (maybe sleep in them). If you can wear the yellow foam ones for a while (the ones that're just foam cylinders), then you should be OK. (sometimes these come in white as well)

I suggest the cylindrical non-tapered ones because IMO they're the stiffest material used for foam plugs - I come from experience, as I have to wear earplugs a lot when I go on the plant floor, and I've worn all types.

These are the type:

http://earplugstore.stores.yahoo.net/eclpvcfopln2.html

If you can handle them, earphones will be no sweat.

I saw many posts on this subject and thought I'd add a point of view. I have both the Bose QC-2's and the Etymotic ER4-P's. I agree you can like both for different reasons. As far as music fidelity however the Etymotic ER4-P beats the Bose hands down. An IPOD and whatever internal amp is in the Bose is just not enough to drive the speakers easily. The etymotics are more spatial and have crisp accurate highs. The triple cone phalanges are very comfortable. I also got tired of lugging the Bose headphones in my brief case. I've used the etymotics much more as time has gone on.