JetBlue TrueBlue - Heavily Contested Bogota Authority

Article that lists the local support garnered for each airline's new service application for Colombia.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-lingus0508mar05,0,4807066.story

I go to lunch and you beat me to posting the article.

I guess we are both salivating over the upcoming announcement which by the way, the article states, should be coming "very soon". :)

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080305/us_colombia_flights.html?.v=1

Delta, JetBlue, Spirit and Continental granted 1 flight a day. American and USAirways where denied

Jetblue from MCO

Delta from JFK

Continental from HOU

Spirit from FLL

Jetblue is authorized to begin service April 1st, although it seems from the earlier article from The Orlando Sentinel that they will have trouble meeting that date as it is less than a month away.

well at least they were fair in their decision!

Jetblue from MCO

Delta from JFK

Continental from HOU

Spirit from FLL

Jetblue is authorized to begin service April 1st, although it seems from the earlier article from The Orlando Sentinel that they will have trouble meeting that date as it is less than a month away.

What about B6 does still receivable approval for FLL-BOG authority? Its should be beginning October 2008, am I right? I have a no idea why DOT does not applied for FLL-BOG this time. :confused:

Is there a precedence for the DoT pulling a currently operating authority from one carrier and giving it to another? That seems pretty big to me. This is great news for B6, and not surprising to me that they only got MCO and Spirit got FLL.

What about B6 does still receivable approval for FLL-BOG authority? Its should be beginning October 2008, am I right? I have a no idea why DOT does not applied for FLL-BOG this time. :confused:

Your right that B6 applied for both MCO and FLL to BOG. However, the first choice was MCO - BOG and Jetblue was only awarded one daily RT. It seems like the only airline flying FLL-BOG will be NK.

Is there a precedence for the DoT pulling a currently operating authority from one carrier and giving it to another? That seems pretty big to me. This is great news for B6, and not surprising to me that they only got MCO and Spirit got FLL.


I'm not sure about precedence but I am sure that AA had been not been flying the frequency they ended up losing until NK made a request for them as they weren't being used. DOT then ordered AA to fly them or give them up and AA refused at first, and then reinstated service. Currently, AA has filed a lawsuit to appeal DOT's decision to reallocate the daily RT.

Your right that B6 applied for both MCO and FLL to BOG. However, the first choice was MCO - BOG and Jetblue was only awarded one daily RT. It seems like the only airline flying FLL-BOG will be NK.

Yes, NK has already official bookable online for FLL-CTG. Its will inauguration from FLL-CTG goes effective May 8, 2008. It is operated for daylight flight from FLL-CTG but, it is not even for redeye.

I'm not sure about precedence but I am sure that AA had been not been flying the frequency they ended up losing until NK made a request for them as they weren't being used. DOT then ordered AA to fly them or give them up and AA refused at first, and then reinstated service. Currently, AA has filed a lawsuit to appeal DOT's decision to reallocate the daily RT.
IM sure US will be close to follow....it just doesnt make complete sense why they rejected them.

IM sure US will be close to follow....it just doesnt make complete sense why they rejected them.

No, because AA has been denial more services for Colombia this time. It was DOT is their decision for which frequencies from USA-Bogota treaty. I knows AA has been rejected for BOG frequencies but, it was removable from third dailies to second flight from MIA-BOG. Perhaps if US & AA will given more frequencies is coming to Colombia flights instead of BOG.

Is there a precedence for the DoT pulling a currently operating authority from one carrier and giving it to another? That seems pretty big to me. This is great news for B6, and not surprising to me that they only got MCO and Spirit got FLL.

No, there is not. Hence, the route award cannot be finalized (other than on a contingent basis) until American Airlines' lawsuit against the Department of Transportation that is currently ongoing is ruled on.

The basic timeline of what happened is this:

1) Spirit applies for 14 US-Colombia frequencies, which AA held dormant.
2) American Airlines responds and says "we will be using them starting 13 December 2007 - seven on MIA-BAQ, three on MIA-MDE, four on MIA-BOG. Spirit cannot have them."
3) DOT says, "Okay. AA keeps the frequencies so long as AA starts the service as planned on 13 December 2007."
4) The U.S. and Colombia expand their air treaty, which allows for 21 additional U.S.-Colombia flights from each country, and make flights to Barranquilla and Cartagena Open Skies (unlimited access).
5) AA can no longer use the seven frequencies from MIA-BAQ "as planned" because the new air treaty no longer requires frequencies to be used to Barranquilla. They therefore decide to expand Bogota/Medellin service.
6) Spirit complains that they aren't using them "as planned."
7) American contends doing such would be impossible (which it would be).
8) DOT sides with Spirit.
9) American sues DOT.

Good luck to JetBlue. With less than fifty local passengers a day between Orlando and Colombia, <i>combined for both directions</i>, they need a lot of luck for Orlando-Bogota to work. It's obvious they would rather have had Fort Lauderdale, but they knew Spirit would have be awarded that.

US Airways losing was an absolute given. Zero presence in South America and less than two daily Charlotte-Colombia O&D passengers per day.

Good luck to JetBlue. With less than fifty local passengers a day between Orlando and Colombia, <i>combined for both directions</i>, they need a lot of luck for Orlando-Bogota to work. It's obvious they would rather have had Fort Lauderdale, but they knew Spirit would have be awarded that.

Can you please explains to me about NK & B6 will receivable awarded frequencies for FLL-BOG authority? Its should be wait for while from DOT is searching more frequencies flight from USA-Colombia treaty. I am not sure which specific information about B6 & NK.

Will MCO-BOG operate on the 190 or 320? What's the mileage?

Keep in mind that 50pax/day (if correct) will increase as the low fare carrier has the ability to: A) stimulate demand in the market and B) connect customers via MCO to the northeast (JFK, IAD, BOS, and the other smaller cities up there served n/s from MCO, as well as out west via AUS.)

Will MCO-BOG operate on the 190 or 320? What's the mileage?

Keep in mind that 50pax/day (if correct) will increase as the low fare carrier has the ability to: A) stimulate demand in the market and B) connect customers via MCO to the northeast (JFK, IAD, BOS, and the other smaller cities up there served n/s from MCO, as well as out west via AUS.)

I think it was operated by A320 instead of E90. I think it was good distance is 1,698 miles from MCO-BOG. I'm sure if I am stand correct the mileage is 1,698 miles but, A320 can be reachable to BOG.

No, there is not. Hence, the route award cannot be finalized (other than on a contingent basis) until American Airlines' lawsuit against the Department of Transportation that is currently ongoing is ruled on.

The basic timeline of what happened is this:

1) Spirit applies for 14 US-Colombia frequencies, which AA held dormant.
2) American Airlines responds and says "we will be using them starting 13 December 2007 - seven on MIA-BAQ, three on MIA-MDE, four on MIA-BOG. Spirit cannot have them."
3) DOT says, "Okay. AA keeps the frequencies so long as AA starts the service as planned on 13 December 2007."
4) The U.S. and Colombia expand their air treaty, which allows for 21 additional U.S.-Colombia flights from each country, and make flights to Barranquilla and Cartagena Open Skies (unlimited access).
5) AA can no longer use the seven frequencies from MIA-BAQ "as planned" because the new air treaty no longer requires frequencies to be used to Barranquilla. They therefore decide to expand Bogota/Medellin service.
6) Spirit complains that they aren't using them "as planned."
7) American contends doing such would be impossible (which it would be).
8) DOT sides with Spirit.
9) American sues DOT.

Good luck to JetBlue. With less than fifty local passengers a day between Orlando and Colombia, <i>combined for both directions</i>, they need a lot of luck for Orlando-Bogota to work. It's obvious they would rather have had Fort Lauderdale, but they knew Spirit would have be awarded that.

US Airways losing was an absolute given. Zero presence in South America and less than two daily Charlotte-Colombia O&D passengers per day.not to us down here in Charlotte it doesn't...im outraged lol.

If B6 is granted permission to fly MCO-BOG and they see that route isn't working, can they shift the flights to start at a different US point that might work better? (i.e. changing it from MCO-BOG to say AUS-BOG)

If B6 is granted permission to fly MCO-BOG and they see that route isn't working, can they shift the flights to start at a different US point that might work better? (i.e. changing it from MCO-BOG to say AUS-BOG)

As I understand it, these authorizations were structured between the two governments to be open on both ends. Spirit has elected, as N830MH noted, to use their to serve Cartegena. I believe they could also choose to serve from anywhere in the US within range of their aircraft. Can't think of anywhere better for them, though.

As for Jetblue, I think New York would have been ideal, but the 320's range issues preclude this service. I would imagine FLL with its numerous feed options along the east coast and large O&D would be the backup if MCO couldn't make it work but you bring up an interesting idea with AUS. The immediate benefit would be the ability to draw feed from both coasts including places like SFO, FLL, MCO, JFK, LGB, etc. I wonder what CO might think of that? :) Easy to assume, however, O&D would probably be even less than MCO.

Hope the best for Jetblue out of MCO though.

As I understand it, these authorizations were structured between the two governments to be open on both ends. Spirit has elected, as N830MH noted, to use their to serve Cartegena. I believe they could also choose to serve from anywhere in the US within range of their aircraft. Can't think of anywhere better for them, though.


Only BAQ and CTG are "open" on the Colombian side; the BOG routes are limited in terms of frequencies. I am not sure if the destinations on the US side are controlled, but I would assume that the DoT would have something to say about it.

I am not sure if the destinations on the US side are controlled, but I would assume that the DoT would have something to say about it.

I'm sure they would want to say something as well. After all, they were approved partly based on the city pairs. Within the context of MCO not being viable, IIRC Jetblue would have the option of moving service to where it would best benefit the airline. Surely, they'd want to keep a channel of communication open with the DOT.

With Spirit being awarded FLL-BOG, and then using that authorization to serve FLL-CTG I believe then that B6 could fly MDE, BAQ or anywhere(?) in Colombia with this authorization.

With Spirit being awarded FLL-BOG, and then using that authorization to serve FLL-CTG ...

I don't believe that this is what has happened. NK was awarded FLL-BOG and they will operate that starting later this year. In addition, any US or Colombian carrier can fly from anywhere in the US to BAQ or CTG, with no limits of any sort. I would expect to see NK operate both BOG and CTG as soon as this is finalized.

I cant believe that B6 took the MCO-BOG routing. AV in yrs past flew BOG to MIA,FLL,JFK and LAX. Must be a good reason they didnt fly into MCO

I know it can be said that CO flys out of IAH and EWR and DL out of ATL, but at least thats their main hubs. MCO isnt B6s main hub.

The basic timeline of what happened is this:


Excellent summary. Thanks for posting. :)

Only BQN and CTG are "open" on the Colombian side; the BOG routes are limited in terms of frequencies. I am not sure if the destinations on the US side are controlled, but I would assume that the DoT would have something to say about it.

I think you meant it is BAQ but, it is not BQN is in Puerto Rico.

As for Jetblue, I think New York would have been ideal, but the 320's range issues preclude this service. I would imagine FLL with its numerous feed options along the east coast and large O&D would be the backup if MCO couldn't make it work but you bring up an interesting idea with AUS. The immediate benefit would be the ability to draw feed from both coasts including places like SFO, FLL, MCO, JFK, LGB, etc. I wonder what CO might think of that? :) Easy to assume, however, O&D would probably be even less than MCO.

Hope the best for Jetblue out of MCO though.

I think AA would be more upset with B6 doing AUS-BOG since they have more direct flights out of AUS than CO (who only connects to hubs).

If B6 moved their service to AUS (or even HOU) I'd be on board in a heartbeat.

I think AA would be more upset with B6 doing AUS-BOG since they have more direct flights out of AUS than CO (who only connects to hubs).

If B6 moved their service to AUS (or even HOU) I'd be on board in a heartbeat.

Why? there wont be any Direct TV, no possiblity of getting an Upgrade to FC, no meals etc etc. Nope this is 1 time Id rather fly on anyone except NK or B6. That is unless B6 will start meal service and come up with some other type of entertainment system

Why? there wont be any Direct TV, no possiblity of getting an Upgrade to FC, no meals etc etc. Nope this is 1 time Id rather fly on anyone except NK or B6. That is unless B6 will start meal service and come up with some other type of entertainment system

Well, I can't count on an upgrade since I'm a lowly Silver and I'd rather have the extra legroom and watch a movie on my laptop.

Why? there wont be any Direct TV, no possiblity of getting an Upgrade to FC, no meals etc etc. Nope this is 1 time Id rather fly on anyone except NK or B6. That is unless B6 will start meal service and come up with some other type of entertainment system

B6 offers the inflight movies for free when flying somewhere that the DirecTV wont be available the entire flight (such as Bermuda, Puerto Rico, Aruba, etc). Its not perfect, but its something.

I think you meant it is BAQ but, it is not BQN is in Puerto Rico.

Whoopsie...all better now ;)

As for Jetblue, I think New York would have been ideal, but the 320's range issues preclude this service.

With BOS-SFO being a good 200 miles or so longer than JFK-BOG, is this really an issue? I'm no A320 expert by any means, but I think the range tops out a bit higher.

With BOS-SFO being a good 200 miles or so longer than JFK-BOG, is this really an issue? I'm no A320 expert by any means, but I think the range tops out a bit higher.

I believe that elevation plays into it. At over 2500m BOG is a rather high airport (http://gc.kls2.com/airport/BOG), and that affects the amount of fuel that can be carried for departure, I believe, which limits range.

I'm sure they would want to say something as well. After all, they were approved partly based on the city pairs. Within the context of MCO not being viable, IIRC Jetblue would have the option of moving service to where it would best benefit the airline. Surely, they'd want to keep a channel of communication open with the DOT.

With Spirit being awarded FLL-BOG, and then using that authorization to serve FLL-CTG I believe then that B6 could fly MDE, BAQ or anywhere(?) in Colombia with this authorization.

Spirit is not using their FLL-BOG authority on FLL-CTG. Spirit is starting both flights, Cartagena in May and Bogota in June.

Cartagena is Open Skies. Any U.S. or Colombian airline can fly any route between the U.S. and Cartagena.

JetBlue must use this authority to fly MCO-BOG, and if they want to switch it to another route, they must ask DOT, and then other airlines can submit proposals to ask for the frequencies.

At less than 50 people and day and limited connecting oppurtunities, MCO-BOG is going to be a struggle. Wish them luck, JetBlue seriously needs it.

At less than 50 people and day and limited connecting oppurtunities, MCO-BOG is going to be a struggle. Wish them luck, JetBlue seriously needs it.

Once again, while 50 pax a day (I trust you did the proper research on traffic figures, I did not), is somewhat low...there are NOT limited connection possibilities. JFK, IAD, BOS, upstate NY, a little out west, etc. Much more than HALF that flight will NOT be O&D. And let's keep in mind, jetBlue often CREATES business. With attractive (but profitable) fares, more people will begin to fly.

Once again, while 50 pax a day (I trust you did the proper research on traffic figures, I did not), is somewhat low...there are NOT limited connection possibilities. JFK, IAD, BOS, upstate NY, a little out west, etc. Much more than HALF that flight will NOT be O&D. And let's keep in mind, jetBlue often CREATES business. With attractive (but profitable) fares, more people will begin to fly.


I wouldnt include JFK, when I used to run down to BOG, AV was using 767s and Id still go that way over an A320 with a stop. Of cause if B6 is giving it away (I doubt they will) that might sway me. If i was gonna do it with a connect , Id sooner go with AA via MIA where its widebodies and I can access a Club both here & there.

Dont forget DL is gonna be doing non-stop JFK-BOG so why go via MCO

I wish 'em luck, they'll need it on this 1

Whoopsie...all better now ;)

Thanks! :)

Once again, while 50 pax a day (I trust you did the proper research on traffic figures, I did not), is somewhat low...there are NOT limited connection possibilities. JFK, IAD, BOS, upstate NY, a little out west, etc. Much more than HALF that flight will NOT be O&D. And let's keep in mind, jetBlue often CREATES business. With attractive (but profitable) fares, more people will begin to fly.

They will not be pulling any West Coast traffic through MCO for the BOG flight. Other than AUS, all the US destinations are either Atlantic Coast states or one state in. Unless someone has a lot of time to kill to save a very minimal amount of money, if any, you won't see anyone fly from the west coast and make two stops to get to BOG.

However, I do agree with you that there will be a lot of connecting traffic for this route, especially coming from the NYC area and BOS.

Once again, while 50 pax a day (I trust you did the proper research on traffic figures, I did not), is somewhat low...there are NOT limited connection possibilities. JFK, IAD, BOS, upstate NY, a little out west, etc. Much more than HALF that flight will NOT be O&D. And let's keep in mind, jetBlue often CREATES business. With attractive (but profitable) fares, more people will begin to fly.

Boston-Colombia market is even smaller, Washington-Colombia is roughly the same size, and JFK-Colombia has about five daily non-stops as is. There is no way JetBlue is going to get enough connections to make up for the small market size. Syracuse-Bogota doesn't even have one daily O&D passenger, neither does Rochester-Bogota.

Low-fares also have minimal stimulation in a VFR market like Bogota. While there will be some stimulation on the side of Colombians vacationing in Orlando, they'll have to overcome the perception among South Americans that Orlando is a place you visit as a day-trip from Miami.

I stand by what I say: this route will struggle in a major way. I'd love to be wrong, though. It's great to see JetBlue at Bogota.

I cant believe that B6 took the MCO-BOG routing. AV in yrs past flew BOG to MIA,FLL,JFK and LAX. Must be a good reason they didnt fly into MCO

I know it can be said that CO flys out of IAH and EWR and DL out of ATL, but at least thats their main hubs. MCO isnt B6s main hub.

Funny you should mention this as it seems AV has been planning to open this route, BOG-MCO. There is some question now whether or not they will attempt. Guessing the answer is no.

MCO is the 7th largest destination from Colombia to the US. Colombia has been on the hot 10 lists for travel this year(current situation notwithstanding). Not to mention the demand that lower fares may be able to bring. This number of 50/pax a day for O/D should be alot higher when the numbers come out next year. Jury is still out on how well Jetblue does with bringing connectors from the Northeast as this will mean the difference between profit and loss. I think Jetblue will be able to price quite well against DL and CO directs from NYC. We'll see.

I wouldnt include JFK, when I used to run down to BOG, AV was using 767s and Id still go that way over an A320 with a stop. Of cause if B6 is giving it away (I doubt they will) that might sway me.

Dont forget DL is gonna be doing non-stop JFK-BOG so why go via MCO

Well craz, this may just sway you.

Article comes in Spanish only, sorry. Do my best to translate...

http://www.prensaescrita.com/diarios.php?codigo=AME&pagina=http://www.eltiempo.com

[The airline(Jetblue) plans to compete with, among other things, low prices. The value of the tickets on Jetblue is expected to be 60% lower than the market price.]

This info. comes from an interview with Sebastian White-Jetblue spokesman.

That being said, surely prices will come down with AA out of MIA w/ comp. from Spirit but it remains to be seen how/if B6 presence in MCO affects fares in NYC.

If it doesn't affect fares is 60% off enough to convince you to do a stop and go in MCO? If it does force DL/CO/etc. to lower fares is 40% off enough, 30%, 20%? At what point is it no longer worth the stop and go? This is of course being said realizing the difference in service and the varying value each of us gives to different aspects of service.

[The airline(Jetblue) plans to compete with, among other things, low prices. The value of the tickets on Jetblue is expected to be 60% lower than the market price.]


The current low fare in the NYC-BOG market is $500. If B6 cuts 60% from that the new low fare becomes $200. That may drive flight loads but it won't be profitable. And considering that they have to ferry those bodies to MCO from another location in the NE from which they can probably extract the same $200 r/t without the additional flight, this isn't a particularly profitable move for them to make. They need something closer to $300-350 r/t just from MCO to break even.

The current low fare in that market is $422, according to FareCompare. Again, cutting 60% from that fare will not result in this being a successful route financially for B6.

I assume the figures they were using to calculate that discount were average market price not lowest market price.

Funny you should mention this as it seems AV has been planning to open this route, BOG-MCO. There is some question now whether or not they will attempt. Guessing the answer is no.

MCO is the 7th largest destination from Colombia to the US. Colombia has been on the hot 10 lists for travel this year(current situation notwithstanding). Not to mention the demand that lower fares may be able to bring. This number of 50/pax a day for O/D should be alot higher when the numbers come out next year. Jury is still out on how well Jetblue does with bringing connectors from the Northeast as this will mean the difference between profit and loss. I think Jetblue will be able to price quite well against DL and CO directs from NYC. We'll see.


As I said before AV flys into JFK, LAX, MIA & FLL all are not due to tourism but due to Biz. MCO would be a pure leisure mkt. IMO it doesnt make sense even for AV to fly into MCO when a 4-5 hr drive can be done via FLL or MIA.

CTG is a leisure mkt as well, its the same even worse humidity then MIA, been there enjoyed the Old City, might go again some day but I dont see NK fillin up its flight unless its a once a week flight and even then they will need Luck as well. AV serves CTG via BOG, not much in the way of Biz traffic.

I dont know the stats on Columbian traffic, nor from where you got yours. But most Columbians I believe dont have the funds to fly around. Lower fares arent gonna get people who have no extra $$$ to start to fly and for most probably for their 1st time ever. If they do they will probably go with their HomeTown Carrier AV for comfort sake.

I do believe that NK with CTG and B6 with BOG out of MCO will both stop these flights way before they lose too much $$$$. Im not sure how NK with FLL-BOG will play out either. DL out of JFK and CO out of IAH have much better chances of succeeding as they should be able to draw the Biz people who will pay for the Biz seat as well as some Cargo biz to boot. I dont think B6 will find much in the way of Cargo to MCO.

where B6 might have been able to do some good biz would have been to Central Am but Taca/Lacsa has that locked up and is a LCC. BTW Taca serves MIA with a stop from BOG or JFK for that matter.

I think B6 should stick to finding good City pairs here in the US and stay out of the Intl mkt.

As for The NE the main place is NYC and CO serves BOG n/s from EWR and DL will out of JFK and AV serves it out of JFK and AA serves it via MIA. I just dont see B6 getting that much out of NYC to fill its planes

Well craz, this may just sway you.

Article comes in Spanish only, sorry. Do my best to translate...

http://www.prensaescrita.com/diarios.php?codigo=AME&pagina=http://www.eltiempo.com

[The airline(Jetblue) plans to compete with, among other things, low prices. The value of the tickets on Jetblue is expected to be 60% lower than the market price.]

This info. comes from an interview with Sebastian White-Jetblue spokesman.

That being said, surely prices will come down with AA out of MIA w/ comp. from Spirit but it remains to be seen how/if B6 presence in MCO affects fares in NYC.

If it doesn't affect fares is 60% off enough to convince you to do a stop and go in MCO? If it does force DL/CO/etc. to lower fares is 40% off enough, 30%, 20%? At what point is it no longer worth the stop and go? This is of course being said realizing the difference in service and the varying value each of us gives to different aspects of service.

Doesnt sway me 1 bit. B6 might start that way but once they raise the fares and they will have to, or once those very elCheapos are bought they wont be biting at the higher fares for the rest of the seats on the flight.

as for the Biz people they want their comfort and arent looking for a great coach seat, but rather a Biz or FC seat with a nice meal.

Had B6 been able to get FLL-BOG they would have had a much better chance of the Route succeeding

I assume the figures they were using to calculate that discount were average market price not lowest market price.

OK, but you have to discount across the board to bring the average down :)

I think B6 should stick to finding good City pairs here in the US and stay out of the Intl mkt.

We've walked this path before. I'm all for good city pairs domestically. The recent expansion in AUS for one. Fact still remains Jetblue needs to keep growing. There stands to be better payoff for a LCC in high-yield markets. Not many of those left domestically.

Had B6 been able to get FLL-BOG they would have had a much better chance of the Route succeeding

Let's not put it in the grave before it's had its chance.

OK, but you have to discount across the board to bring the average down :)

Makes sense. Although I can't be sure exactly how they came to the number, it definitely shows their intent. Logically speaking, Avg. market price * .4 = Avg. B6 ticket price .

Lots of unanswered questions. Do they include F,J,C in market price for one? I'm only bringing it forward to show that it seems that B6 has done at least a modicum of homework on this and they seem to have a handle on what they need to get out of it to make it a plus to the sheet.

Hope it lights the way to more opportunity for MCO and Jetblue.

We've walked this path before.

Let's not put it in the grave before it's had its chance.

Hope it lights the way to more opportunity for MCO and Jetblue.


Yes we have, and B6 has opened up new routes with great fanfare only to abandon them not long after , when it said it simply didnt live up to our expectations and hopes. I do believe that BOG will be another (FL has a history of doing the same, its not B6 alone, nor do I blame them if the #s simply arent there).

I understand that Intl should bring in better yields.But B6 wasnt set up to go Intl. I dont see WN going that way, WN sticks to what it knows best, as should B6.Did WN put a bid in for DAL-BOG? or FLL-BOG? when does B6 go with the A-380 or A-350 and start TATL or TPTL flights? Im 1000% positive that B6 can fill an A-380 everyday JFK-TLV and do a tremendous job on Cargo to boot as well as to a number of European destinations. But it will mean starting up an airline within an airline and be the end of B6 as she was to be, and probably mean the demise of B6 altogether.

I remember when an airline owned a Hotel chain and Rental Cars and thought its great to be everything to everyone why let someone else make the $$. They bit off more then they were able to chew, it seems B6 is doing the same.

As I said before AV flys into JFK, LAX, MIA & FLL all are not due to tourism but due to Biz. MCO would be a pure leisure mkt. IMO it doesnt make sense even for AV to fly into MCO when a 4-5 hr drive can be done via FLL or MIA.

Plus, the biggest problem that JetBlue will face - and a reason I believe the route will fail - is that South American (sans Brazilians) don't see Orlando as a "destination." To South Americans, Orlando is typically a side-trip to a Miami vacation. They rent a car and drive up for 2-3 days, or they take one of the literally dozens and dozens of coach busses that leave hotels all over Miami and Fort Lauderdale every morning at 5AM.

Im not sure how NK with FLL-BOG will play out either.

This will be an absolute, run away hit from day one. There is a lot of VFR traffic that would love to travel to Miami, but can't afford airfare. Spirit's low-fares will stimulate this traffic.

This will be an absolute, run away hit from day one. There is a lot of VFR traffic that would love to travel to Miami, but can't afford airfare. Spirit's low-fares will stimulate this traffic.

If AV matches NK all bets are off. NK,FL B6 have all been in that boat before when a new route looks promising on paper. Then the Carriers who have been flying in match their fares and most people simply go with the old and it isnt long before that new Carrier pulls up its carpet.

price isnt everything, name recognition goes along way. It took DL yrs to build up its name in Europe once it purchased those routes from PN back when. TW & PN wre the names people knew, with AA & UA right behind. But CO or US or DL or NW were simply SOL.

But I do agree that NK has a much better chance of pulling it off then does B6

Hi all,

Here the official press releases for FLL-CTG gone on effective May 8, 2008. It will be operating daylight flight from FLL-CTG. Here the press releasable from NK:

http://www.spiritair.com/welcome.aspx?pg=pressrelease&PressID=1&StartRow=1

Still no word for FLL-BOG from NK yet. I'll find out later when I can get more specific information from NK or B6. If both airlines will be finalization approval from DOT for MCO-BOG or FLL-BOG, too. It's should wait for another announcement for next several weeks. Thanks all. :)

If AV matches NK all bets are off. NK,FL B6 have all been in that boat before when a new route looks promising on paper. Then the Carriers who have been flying in match their fares and most people simply go with the old and it isnt long before that new Carrier pulls up its carpet.

price isnt everything, name recognition goes along way. It took DL yrs to build up its name in Europe once it purchased those routes from PN back when. TW & PN wre the names people knew, with AA & UA right behind. But CO or US or DL or NW were simply SOL.

But I do agree that NK has a much better chance of pulling it off then does B6

AV can match NK all they want. The flights will still fill, because the market is severely undeserved due to a very restrictive bilateral. The market is desperate for more capacity, and even these new additions don't satisfy demand.

Hi all,

Here the official press releases for FLL-CTG gone on effective May 8, 2008. It will be operating daylight flight from FLL-CTG. Here the press releasable from NK:

http://www.spiritair.com/welcome.aspx?pg=pressrelease&PressID=1&StartRow=1

Still no word for FLL-BOG from NK yet. I'll find out later when I can get more specific information from NK or B6. If both airlines will be finalization approval from DOT for MCO-BOG or FLL-BOG, too. It's should wait for another announcement for next several weeks. Thanks all. :)this is a bit far fetched but this finalization makes me wonder if Usairways still has a chance.:rolleyes:

Syracuse-Bogota doesn't even have one daily O&D passenger, neither does Rochester-Bogota.

Is data like this publicly available?

You'd have thought that CLT with all kinds of connecting traffic from everywhere other than Florida (I don't think most people there would backtrack), that US would have received authority for this route.

When the China routes were being decided, I saw an e-mail from every airline asking me to sign a petition or write my congressman. I didn't get anything from US, encouraging or enabling me to do the same for this go-around :td::td:.

There are only 2 O&D passengers to BOG from CLT a day because the connections are horrible. I know -- I've looked. I've actually flown up to NYC to catch a flight (not on the same PNR)...

I've actually flown up to NYC to catch a flight (not on the same PNR)...

I would have flown down to MIA/FLL as there are alot more flights out of there then the 1 AV flight aday out of JFK, soon to be 2. But AA & AV have a number of flights out of MIA.

OK if the fare was alot cheaper out of JFK Id flown North, but it would have had to be a sizable savings

Is data like this publicly available?

Yes, and it was a point made very proiminent by other airlines in their Colombia applications to shoot down US Airways' applicaiton.

There are only 2 O&D passengers to BOG from CLT a day because the connections are horrible. I know -- I've looked. I've actually flown up to NYC to catch a flight (not on the same PNR)...

Haha. You have to be kidding me. "No, no, we can't go to Bogotá this year. The connections are horrible!"

Sorry, that is absolutely wrong. There are six daily American Airlines flights from Miami to Charlotte, and they easily connect to American Airlines' seven daily Miami-Colombia flights.

There are 2 daily passengers because nobody needs to fly between Bogotá and Charlotte.

There are 2 daily passengers because nobody needs to fly between Bogotá and Charlotte.

I don't have the time to look it up right now but what the numbers like out of RDU to BOG?

I don't have the time to look it up right now but what the numbers like out of RDU to BOG?

Less than one passenger per day.

Less than one passenger per day.

It was only very few passengers whose connectability CLT-BOG but, it is not enough demand. Its should be better more O/D passengers whose connects from CLT-BOG.

I heard B6 were rejected for FLL-BOG. Its has no announcement for this time for FLL-BOG but, MCO-BOG is still good to go.

Less than one passenger per day.

Thanks. I was just curious to see if there was demand at RDU that they were hoping they would pull from but I guess that's not the case.

If the numbers were so bad, I wonder why they didn't try to do it with other stations like PHL or PHX. (I don't know if those stations are any better but they definately can't be any worse.)

As I am not familiar with the source of MAH4546's O&D #'s, I was curious as to the scope of the catchment. Does the number(50 o/d pax daily) relate only to the MCO area? I assume they are compiled by the number of onward connections to, in this case BOG, at intermediate airports from the orgin of MCO. Do these numbers take into account connecting pax from Tampa, Sarasota, Daytona and other nearby cities (that may have originated from their home airport and made an onward connection to BOG wherever they chose to connect) that would find it more convenient to drive the hour and a half/2 hours to take the direct on B6 than to connect on another airline? Thanks.

As I am not familiar with the source of MAH4546's O&D #'s, I was curious as to the scope of the catchment. Does the number(50 o/d pax daily) relate only to the MCO area? I assume they are compiled by the number of onward connections to, in this case BOG, at intermediate airports from the orgin of MCO. Do these numbers take into account connecting pax from Tampa, Sarasota, Daytona and other nearby cities (that may have originated from their home airport and made an onward connection to BOG wherever they chose to connect) that would find it more convenient to drive the hour and a half/2 hours to take the direct on B6 than to connect on another airline? Thanks.

No, they do not take into account such passengers. Nonetheless, such passengers would not add much.

MIA and FLL account for 49% of all traffic between the United States and Bogota. New York (all airports) accounts for, IIRC, 23%. Houston around 7%, Los Angles is approximately 5%, and Washington, D.C. is around 4%. The rest of the country is 17%.

No, they do not take into account such passengers. Nonetheless, such passengers would not add much.

MIA and FLL account for 49% of all traffic between the United States and Bogota. New York (all airports) accounts for, IIRC, 23%. Houston around 7%, Los Angles is approximately 5%, and Washington, D.C. is around 4%. The rest of the country is 17%.


Interesting information. I hadn't considered the role IAD might play in this route. No direct flights from there to BOG and conx. available on B6 to MCO.

It seems that we will have to wait until final approval is granted(possibly another 2 weeks) before we see how this route is scheduled and priced.

Most prices I have encountered for flights to BOG one month prior from travel date from NYC, DC and Miami run in the high $600's to mid $700's rt.

It will be interesting to see both Jetblue's fare structure and schedule(another redeye?) for this route.

How long until the new MCO-BOG route is on the route map as being planned? Currently, the map doesn't even show South America. Maybe the artists are designing S. America? Perhaps while they're at it they could fix Florida so the Big Bend is a bend and not a straight line.

How long until the new MCO-BOG route is on the route map as being planned? Currently, the map doesn't even show South America. Maybe the artists are designing S. America? Perhaps while they're at it they could fix Florida so the Big Bend is a bend and not a straight line.

No, not yet. B6 hasn't announcement for MCO-BOG is not activated the routes map yet. Probably its should be waits for several weeks. Then you can bookable ticketed online real soon. B6 will able showing up the routes map for MCO-BOG shortly.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-jetblue2008mar20,0,1654463.story

With the announcement of MCO as a focus city some information about connecting traffic has been brought to the forefront by Jetblue leadership:

"JetBlue has discussed connecting possibilities with German airline Lufthansa and Ireland's Aer Lingus, each of which has business partnerships with JetBlue. Both overseas airlines also launched nonstop service to Orlando in the fall.

"There's been every bit the amount of dialogue on Orlando as there has been on New York," Barger said.

There also some speculation and discussion on this in a previous thread (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=767279&highlight=bogota) about the holes in *A service to the Caribe and Latin America.

Still no word from the DOT on the final award...

AV, who had been given authority to serve BOG-MCO and had been planning to initiate service has placed the route on the shelf for the time being. Instead, the airline would like to serve Washington, DC direct from BOG and is currently waiting for approval.

*bump*

Does anybody have any news regarding the MCO-BOG route? I haven't heard anything for a few weeks! and with all airlines wanting to get the Colombian additional frequencies and AA problem, I cannot believe none of them have made any annoucements/advertising yet! hmmm...

Of course, the exception is NK with the FLL-CTG route which should start early next month. However, they haven't made much noise and their advertising is almost non-existent, at least here in the NYC area. Good luck to them though. How are those bookings looking? I snag a LGA-FLL-CTG and back for $390 all-in in Oct :)

I recall Barger mentioning something about it in the call on Tuesday. I think he just referenced that it's still alive.

When the bog flight comes in, any speculation on whether it will still be one true blue award? I'm assuming yes because as far as I know there is no where in the system that is more than one?

*bump*

Does anybody have any news regarding the MCO-BOG route? I haven't heard anything for a few weeks! and with all airlines wanting to get the Colombian additional frequencies and AA problem, I cannot believe none of them have made any annoucements/advertising yet! hmmm...

Of course, the exception is NK with the FLL-CTG route which should start early next month. However, they haven't made much noise and their advertising is almost non-existent, at least here in the NYC area. Good luck to them though. How are those bookings looking? I snag a LGA-FLL-CTG and back for $390 all-in in Oct :)

American Airlines is suing the Department of Transportation in the D.C. District Court of Appeals. Until the case is settled, nobody will be able to start these routes.

Spirit is doing ridiculously well on FLL-CTG, and look for AA to follow.

Keeping this as current as possible given the slow flow of information:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/3991333/

This thread from a.net offers nothing new save a photo of the interior of Jetblue's ticketing office in Bogota.

The AA case B6 is waiting to clear in order to recieve final approval is sitting in the DC Court of Appeals. I have been scanning their calendar and have not been able to find this case scheduled all the way through June. I believe DOT filed a motion to dismiss AA's claim back in late March which would be a more procedural issue and probably not included in the calendar but I have not found any mention of the outcome of that either (if there has been one yet).

Another little tidbit of information: The route was proposed to the DOT with origination in JFK and a stop in MCO continuing to BOG (7:05pm departure from MCO) and a return through MCO (5:05 am arrival to MCO) with continuation to JFK. I guess that makes it a redeye, no?

Another little tidbit of information: The route was proposed to the DOT with origination in JFK and a stop in MCO continuing to BOG (7:05pm departure from MCO) and a return through MCO (5:05 am arrival to MCO) with continuation to JFK. I guess that makes it a redeye, no?Yep - a redeye that leaves BOG around 1:00AM, then. No thanks! :)

Yep - a redeye that leaves BOG around 1:00AM, then. No thanks! :)

It leaves around 1am because it's a south-north flight, as opposed to west-east. With JetBlue's service and connecting route possibilities, in addition to stimulating some O&D traffic, watch this flight be packed every night...even at that strange hour.

It leaves around 1am because it's a south-north flight, as opposed to west-east.And that was exactly the math I used when I came up with the ~1:00am figure. :)

Actually, it's probably more like 1:30am, since it's only a 3 1/2 hour flight, and it would depart at 12:30am when the US is observing daylight savings time (they don't change the clocks in Colombia).

That timing is not unusual and I'm sure the flight loads will be reasonable. The flights at odd hours to Puerto Rico are similarly crowded.

2007/2008 US-Colombia Combination Frequency Allocation Proceeding

Order 2008-5-27
OST-2007-0006

Issued and Served May 21, 2008

Final Order - Bookmarked

By this Order, we make final our tentative findings and conclusions set forth in Order 2008-3-4 with respect to allocation of 21 U.S.-Colombia frequencies newly available under the U.S.-Colombia Air Transport Agreement and reallocation of seven weekly U.S.-Colombia combination frequencies currently allocated to American Airlines, Inc. (American), resulting in a total of 28 frequencies allocated in this proceeding.

Specifically, we award Delta Air Lines, JetBlue Airways, Spirit Airlines, and Continental Airlines seven frequencies each, along with underlying economic authority, as needed, to provide combination services in the U.S.-Colombia market as follows: 1) Delta for its proposed New York (JFK)-Bogota services, effective immediately; 2) JetBlue for its proposed Orlando-Bogota services, effective immediately; 3) Spirit for its proposed Ft. Lauderdale-Bogota services, effective immediately; and 4) Continental for its proposed Houston-Bogota services, effective October 1, 2008



Great News!! I only hope Jetblue is still as thrilled with the idea and will get this up and running as quickly as possible. IIRC they have 90 days to begin the route. Peak travel season is coming.

Best of luck!

Still seems bizarre starting service from Orlando, since you're relying mainly on mid/small market cities in the NE that don't already have direct service, but they must know something we don't know! :)

DOT gave us the final nod, flights must start by October or we lose the authority.

DOT gave us the final nod, flights must start by October or we lose the authority.

B6 will have issued for beginning 90 days to startup new routes from MCO-BOG. I'm surely if B6 will received award BOG authority or will not eventually able fly there. Its should be do that immediately. DOT will able issued all airlines must to be finalization approval USA-BOG frequencies.

Best of luck!

Still seems bizarre starting service from Orlando, since you're relying mainly on mid/small market cities in the NE that don't already have direct service, but they must know something we don't know! :)

And they do it seems...

They are not only counting on the US side of the equation but also, on the Colombian side for direct service to/from MCO. There has been a discussion re this on this very thread. The US Dept. of Commerce info is part. interesting as well as their estimate of the Colombian population.

This is a letter in support of Jetblue's application.

http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf68/665.pdf

The other letters from local leaders contained the same language and information. I guess they all received the same talking points memo?

Cold feet?!?!?

I have followed Jetblue's decisions lately with the "suspension" of LAX and route dropping/station closing (jfk-tus,slc-sfo/bur) and I understand the reasoning behind those choices with heavy competition and/or low demand forcing an unprofitable yield but I don't understand the thinking that may put this route on the shelf.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-tourism2608may26,0,2876701.story

Start-up costs will be high, yes. Limited competition and yields that will increase the likelyhood of profitability in the near-term as well as a position in the one area of US aviation(intl.) that hasn't seen trashed yields should make this a no-brainer, even if it was being evaluated solely for a foot-in-the door factor for central and south america service alone. Thoughts?

Start-up costs will be high, yes. Limited competition and yields that will increase the likelyhood of profitability in the near-term as well as a position in the one area of US aviation(intl.) that hasn't seen trashed yields should make this a no-brainer, even if it was being evaluated solely for a foot-in-the door factor for central and south america service alone. Thoughts?

Not all international routes remain profitable. Delta has chosen to close up a number of international routes (http://www.wanderingaramean.com/2008/05/delta-cutting-international-routes.html) (or not start them) based on low yields. True, the yields are generally not as bad on international routes as they are on domestic, but that does not make them immune. And while building brand recognition is good in the Central/South American markets, doing so by glying an empty plane back and for won't be particularly helpful for the carrier.

The flight from MCO-BOG is about the same distance as JFK-DEN; it isn't quite a transcon but the costs for operating it are still pretty high. If B6 is going to lose money on it then it probably makes sense to hold off on starting the service. US and UA have delayed the start of their new China routes (US to PVG, UA to CAN), and China was generally considered to be a slam dunk money maker with high yields in premium cabin traffic, so anything is possible right now.

Not all international routes remain profitable. Delta has chosen to close up a number of international routes (http://www.wanderingaramean.com/2008/05/delta-cutting-international-routes.html) (or not start them) based on low yields. True, the yields are generally not as bad on international routes as they are on domestic, but that does not make them immune. And while building brand recognition is good in the Central/South American markets, doing so by glying an empty plane back and for won't be particularly helpful for the carrier.

The flight from MCO-BOG is about the same distance as JFK-DEN; it isn't quite a transcon but the costs for operating it are still pretty high. If B6 is going to lose money on it then it probably makes sense to hold off on starting the service. US and UA have delayed the start of their new China routes (US to PVG, UA to CAN), and China was generally considered to be a slam dunk money maker with high yields in premium cabin traffic, so anything is possible right now.

If they delay the start of the route, they run the risk of losing the route. IIRC, they have 90 days to start the route.

If they delay the start of the route, they run the risk of losing the route. IIRC, they have 90 days to start the route.

True. UA petitioned the DOT and was granted an extension. US has not officially petitioned yet but it is expected. I would assume that B6 would follow a similar path, petitioning to delay service rather than just walking away from it. Only if the petition is denied would they then have to make a decision to fly the anticipated money-losing route or let it go.

True. UA petitioned the DOT and was granted an extension. US has not officially petitioned yet but it is expected. I would assume that B6 would follow a similar path, petitioning to delay service rather than just walking away from it. Only if the petition is denied would they then have to make a decision to fly the anticipated money-losing route or let it go.


If this is the path that Jetblue takes, an extension on the start date, then the argument becomes elementary. Of course Jetblue should hold off and hope for better news in the coming months. But what if that better news doesn't arrive? The answers to the reporter's questions seemed anything but commited to this route.

This calls to light a shift in Jetblue's business philosophy. Jetblue has, in the nick of time, righted itself on fiscal responsibility. If this oil crunch had come a year earlier I think it is safe to say Jetblue would be in Chap.11. The change of focus to the near-term has brought this company back and are well-positioned to deal with the impending down-turn and oil crisis. Jetblue has this philosophy to thank. Having said that, it seems as though the pendulum is in danger of swinging from one extreme to the other. Understanding that retrenchment is of utmost importance right now, it still seems to me that when oportunity knocks loud enough, the door should be answered. The launch of this route is of ultra-importance if Jetblue is to diversify their network and build their status in Latin America. Surely, the long-term benefits to the bottom line with that diversification outweigh near-term costs for an airline that is reasonably healthy. Spirit, although little is known definitively of their financial health, has said that they will start FLL-BOG by the end of July.

There is a time for short-sightedness and for most parts of Jetblue's network that time is now. I argue that this route should be an exception.

Spirit, although little is known definitively of their financial health, has said that they will start FLL-BOG by the end of July.


Spirit made BOG flights bookable within a few days. They start July 24th.

jetBlue is getting cold feet about starting service in a market that, quite frankly, won't be able to support a daily A320 without significant feed, which jetBlue cannot provide.

If they don't start service within 90 days, it is obvious that another airline is going to try to claim the slots.

jetBlue is getting cold feet about starting service in a market that, quite frankly, won't be able to support a daily A320 without significant feed, which jetBlue cannot provide.


It has already been well established that the DOT has compiled numbers for those pax traveling by air who depart MCO and arrive BOG or vice versa totals 50 per day.

It is also established that these numbers do not include pax traveling by car to other airports to begin their travel, most notably, MIA/FLL. Department of Commerce numbers state that Colombian visitors to the city of Orlando number 80,000 per year. It is probably safe to assume many of these visitors arrive through MIA and make the drive up to Orlando. There is also an estimated 100,000+ Colombians in Orlando alone. If given the option, wouldn't a large number of these pax prefer service to/from their planned origination/destination?

It is also known that nonstop routes normally stimulate demand on both sides of the route. With Orlando remaining a popular destination for Colombians it doesn't seem a stretch to apply that stimulation here and given the fact that Colombia has become, of late, a highly-touted tourist destination also lends itself to the likelihood that the DOT's numbers are either behind the times or they soon will be should Jetblue begin service.

Additionally, the route that was proposed would have originated in JFK and continued through MCO to BOG. The MCO departure was to be timed to pick up whatever connecting feed there was from Jetblue's Eastern network.

There is room here to go back and forth on numbers/prognostications all day but until this service is given a chance the result is unknown. It seems to me that there are too many variables to say for sure whether or not this route is DOA. That seems to be for Jetblue to decide.

Department of Commerce numbers state that Colombian visitors to the city of Orlando number 80,000 per year. It is probably safe to assume many of these visitors arrive through MIA and make the drive up to Orlando. There is also an estimated 100,000+ Colombians in Orlando alone. If given the option, wouldn't a large number of these pax prefer service to/from their planned origination/destination?Miami is the destination. Orlando is a side trip.

Miami is the destination. Orlando is a side trip.

Who's to say? Noone currently offers non-stop to MCO. MCO is a destination in itself. For many families MIA may be the destination by lack of options. Maybe for them MCO is the destination and MIA would be the side trip or not even visited at all. I agree with you that with the service that is currently available, MIA is the destination for almost everyone. That doesn't mean to say, however, that it always has to be that way.

Who's to say? Noone currently offers non-stop to MCO. MCO is a destination in itself. For many families MIA may be the destination by lack of options. Maybe for them MCO is the destination and MIA would be the side trip or not even visited at all. I agree with you that with the service that is currently available, MIA is the destination for almost everyone. That doesn't mean to say, however, that it always has to be that way.

Good luck changing culture.

In South America, Orlando isn't a destination. South Americans see nothing in Orlando. To them, Miami is the destination, and Orlando is a nice side-trip. South Americans love shopping and beaches; not staying at tacky themed resorts. Their kids love Disney, so they make the side-trips. Typically, those side-trips don't even involve an overnight stay. There are literally dozens upon dozens of buses leaving Miami hotels filled with South Americans everyday at 5AM.

And there are no "lack of options." If they really want to go to Orlando, they can fly to Orlando. AA's Orlando-Bogota tickets are usually cheaper by $50-$75 than flying non-stop to Miami. AA can do this because they know, just like every other South America, that Orlando is just a side-trip.

The exception would be for Brazilians.

Spirit made BOG flights bookable within a few days. They start July 24th.

Spiritair.com is not listing BOG as a destionation yet, so not bookable. Where else are the selling (and bookable) these BOG flights?

Same with Jetblue, not an option on their site yet.

Spiritair.com is not listing BOG as a destionation yet, so not bookable. Where else are the selling (and bookable) these BOG flights?

Same with Jetblue, not an option on their site yet.

I do not see any fares filed by Spirit for this route, nor a schedule in the GDSes. And it isn't surprising that JetBlue doesn't have it listed since it is still very much a maybe as to whether they are going to actually operate the route or not.

S.

Spiritair.com is not listing BOG as a destionation yet, so not bookable. Where else are the selling (and bookable) these BOG flights?

Same with Jetblue, not an option on their site yet.

Spirit's FLL-BOG flights are on Amadeus reservation systems. NK 807/400.

Spirit's FLL-BOG flights are on Amadeus reservation systems. NK 807/400.

I see them in Galileo and Apollo now. Not showing in Sabre.

Spirit's FLL-BOG flights are on Amadeus reservation systems. NK 807/400.

Good timing, very reasonable not like the proposed B6 red-eye:

Departs Fort Lauderdale, FL (FLL) 10:30a 3 hrs 30 min
Arrives Bogota, Colombia (BOG) 1:00p
Note: The flight from Fort Lauderdale Int'l (FLL) to Bogota Eldorado (BOG) is subject to government approval.

Departs Bogota, Colombia (BOG) Tue, Sept 30 1:55p 3 hrs 40 min
Arrives Fort Lauderdale, FL (FLL) 6:35p

FYI, ITA is pricing them @ 770 all-in. Not what I was expecting from Spirit, prob they haven't file their discounted fares. Lets keep waiting...

FYI, ITA is pricing them @ 770 all-in. Not what I was expecting from Spirit, prob they haven't file their discounted fares. Lets keep waiting...

Well, if they keep making the mistakes of offering $0 fares everywhere they fly every now and then the pricing wouldn't be so bad.

A redeye isn't too terrible, but a redeye that is only in the air for three hours will suck.

Update:

A consortium of airlines(mostly legacies) have petitioned the DOT to award them a "dormancy waiver" on international route authorities. The request would provide these airlines, and I assume would be extended to all airlines if approved, the ability to maintain their authorities while not operating the routes in full measure or at all for a period of 2 years.

Jetblue has resonded in support of the consortium's request. In fact, every airline that has taken a stance has followed in support, except for Spirit. Spirit wants the DOT to enforce the stipulations that are already in place for these authorities which would force carriers to abide by service requirements or abandon their authorities.

The consortium has requested a decision by the 30th of June. No answer in any form from the DOT yet.

Obviously Jetblue would like to be able to extend the decision on BOG out into the future as this is the only authority that they currently posess, AFAIK.

Another update (from airliners.net) - after all, it seems like Jetblue won't be flying MCO-BOG... :td:

They may ask for a FLL-BOG instead, which I doubt will be granted. I bet NK and AA won't be happy with this request if it happens.

BTW, Sprit started selling their FLL-BOG tix, but the site is down. I wonder how they are pricing these. A couple of weeks ago ITA showed a $700+ fare :eek:

BTW, Sprit started selling their FLL-BOG tix, but the site is down. I wonder how they are pricing these. A couple of weeks ago ITA showed a $700+ fare :eek:

The site is up and running. The tickets begin at $103 one way and go on up depending on the date. It is a savings over AA from MIA.

There's a jetBlue ticketing/Customer Service window in the recently remodeled International terminal in Bogota. (This might have been posted before...)

http://randomcrap.s3.amazonaws.com/IMGP3585.JPG

There's a jetBlue ticketing/Customer Service window in the recently remodeled International terminal in Bogota. (This might have been posted before...)

http://randomcrap.s3.amazonaws.com/IMGP3585.JPG

That was built a while ago. Won't be of much use.

That was built a while ago. Won't be of much use.Do you know when? I don't think I saw it there in January.

Do you know when? I don't think I saw it there in January.

Around April. It was completed even before they got DOT authority. It's not as if they own the signage or space. It was installed by the airport authorities.

Won't be of much use.

Are you implying that Jetblue has surrendered its authority to serve MCO - BOG?

Any news on the rumor that Jetblue would file to serve FLL-BOG instead?

Are you implying that Jetblue has surrendered its authority to serve MCO - BOG?

Any news on the rumor that Jetblue would file to serve FLL-BOG instead?

I could see NK fight that one very, very hard if B6 even was giving serious considerations to that route. However, I really can't see B6 persueing it in these market conditions. Fuel is very high and South America brand new market for B6. The last thing they need is a turf war with another LCC in new waters.

I don't understand all the hooplah about BOG. What is so important about this city that every airline wants to fly there?

Supply and demand. Due to government regulations, there is only limited supply and its not always keep up with the demand.

The DOT has ruled against the dormancy waiver request made by a consortium of airlines and supported by Jetblue. The DOT says that they will entertain dormancy requests on a route by route basis.

General belief seems to be that the DOT would approve a dormancy condition on international authorities if there are no competitors requesting the frequencies.

Jetblue has immediately filed for a waiver regarding the start date of MCO-BOG to begin no later than May 1st, 2009.

If noone requests these freq. then the request would likely be approved. Although there has been no public interest for the authority, rumors that Spirit would be interested are flying.

Not sure if any airline requests the frequencies if they would be bound by the original authority of serving only MCO-BOG. I imagine they would be, as the authority cannot be moved between city pairs between the two countries without going through a re-application process.

Current authority, if not extended, terminates August 21.

I dont feel that the DOT should grant any Carrier any type of a wavier. The Carriers asked for certain routings and if they decide not to start up flying when they agreed to for wahtever reason, then the slot should be turned back over to DOT.

This applies for ALL Routings not only B6s MCO-BOG. There are Carriers that want to push back starting up their China routes. If a Carrier now decides its not in its best interests to start flying to XYZ, fine let the DOT take back the slots and have another round where all the Other Carriers but the 1 returning the Slot can bid on the Route. If no one wants the route as it was issued then let DOT open the bidding up again Except for the Carrier that turned in the slot. So B6 wont beable to not only change MCO-BOG but if no Carrier wants the MCO-BOG then B6 cant rebid for any other combo either.

Same will hold lets say for UA IAD-PEK, if UA decided to put off flying the route lets say then IAD-PEK should be open to any other Carrier to serve , no takers then anywhere to PEK, except UA cant bid for it at all.

I think I see your point, craz, but I wonder about the caveat that prevents the original winner from bidding again. Keeping in mind that the route bids are generally based on the foreign destination (ie BOG, PEK, etc.) and not necessarily on the specific route, you'd have big issues expecting anyone other than UA to operate IAD-PEK, for example. Are you suggesting that following the return of the MCO-BOG route that B6 would no longer be eligible to bid for any BOG service in the new round? That's pretty harsh. I have no problems with taking in to consideration the fact that they chose to not use the slot the first time they won it as part of the bid evaluation, but a blanket denial of use is over the top, IMO.

The DOT has ruled against the dormancy waiver request made by a consortium of airlines and supported by Jetblue. The DOT says that they will entertain dormancy requests on a route by route basis.

General belief seems to be that the DOT would approve a dormancy condition on international authorities if there are no competitors requesting the frequencies.

Jetblue has immediately filed for a waiver regarding the start date of MCO-BOG to begin no later than May 1st, 2009.

You mention it was pushback from origin dates from October 2008? Could you please explains to me about MCO-BOG didn't received approved from DOT this time. It was requested denied for service from MCO-BOG this time. Perhaps if B6 will eventually considering to try another specific routes from FLL-BOG instead of MCO. Is that NK has been already received the finalization approval for FLL-BOG will beginning on July 24, 2008.

I think I see your point, craz, but I wonder about the caveat that prevents the original winner from bidding again. Keeping in mind that the route bids are generally based on the foreign destination (ie BOG, PEK, etc.) and not necessarily on the specific route, you'd have big issues expecting anyone other than UA to operate IAD-PEK, for example. Are you suggesting that following the return of the MCO-BOG route that B6 would no longer be eligible to bid for any BOG service in the new round? That's pretty harsh. I have no problems with taking in to consideration the fact that they chose to not use the slot the first time they won it as part of the bid evaluation, but a blanket denial of use is over the top, IMO.

Yep, I agree most likely no one but UA would operate a IAD-PEK flight, so it would go back into the hat again. Penalty for winning and not operating what you said you would , would be not being allowed into the new auction for a PEK flight, Only on the redo. So if and when theres another go at it then UA can particapate then. Now if no one wants say the IAD-PEK, and also no one wants anything to PEK then UA can rebid for anywhere to anywhere.

Id take it 1 step further if a Carrier is found to get the slots and then and a reg basis not operate them , then they will be out of say all biddings for X yrs. Why should Carrier X not beable to operate a PEK flight which it bidded for and would do so ASAP, but since UA got it and isnt using it Carrier X is out of luck.

It can very well be that Carrier Y didnt have any plans to actually start the service and just wanted either to prevent another Carrier from doing so, or wanted to fly from elsewhere but felt that that city wouldnt win it so they use XYZ knowing they had a better chance of securing the route.

PS Im not saying that either B6 or UA had any such thoughs, maybe they did maybe they didnt, I dont even know if UA mothballed the IAD-PEK flight or not. I was just usng examples.

The pt is no overruns on your bids, dont underbid expecting to charge more afterwards. Or if you win and dont start service your out for a round.

You mention it was pushback from origin dates from October 2008? Could you please explains to me about MCO-BOG didn't received approved from DOT this time. It was requested denied for service from MCO-BOG this time. Perhaps if B6 will eventually considering to try another specific routes from FLL-BOG instead of MCO. Is that NK has been already received the finalization approval for FLL-BOG will beginning on July 24, 2008.

I dont think it was DOT that pushed back the date of MCO-BOG but B6 itself who decided they dont want to start flying it now.

Im sure B6 would hav eLoved to have gotten the FLL-BOG routing but NK got it and I dont see B6 being allowed to fly it at this time, nor do I feel they should be allowed to

The DOT has ruled against the dormancy waiver request made by a consortium of airlines and supported by Jetblue. The DOT says that they will entertain dormancy requests on a route by route basis.

General belief seems to be that the DOT would approve a dormancy condition on international authorities if there are no competitors requesting the frequencies.

Jetblue has immediately filed for a waiver regarding the start date of MCO-BOG to begin no later than May 1st, 2009.

If noone requests these freq. then the request would likely be approved. Although there has been no public interest for the authority, rumors that Spirit would be interested are flying.

Not sure if any airline requests the frequencies if they would be bound by the original authority of serving only MCO-BOG. I imagine they would be, as the authority cannot be moved between city pairs between the two countries without going through a re-application process.

Current authority, if not extended, terminates August 21.

Spirit will be requesting the frequencies next week to start Fort Lauderdale-Medellin. They will be willing to put the frequencies to use by the end of September.

Spirit will be requesting the frequencies next week to start Fort Lauderdale-Medellin. They will be willing to put the frequencies to use by the end of September.

That's an interesting development. Are there any additional frequencies available to use other than the ones currently assigned for MCO-BOG? The others would be the DL or CO frequencies, right?

At this point it seems to be a bit of what craz was suggesting, where another carrier is proposing to use the route authority that is otherwise dormant. Not that I wish any ill on B6, but I would like to see the authority transferred if B6 isn't going to use it and someone else will. No need to have it sitting idle if there is a company willing to actually put some effort into the route. B6 shouldn't be allowed to tie it up unless they are using it, similar to the argument made about the AA frequencies when they got reallocated earlier this year.

Not that I wish any ill on B6, but I would like to see the authority transferred if B6 isn't going to use it and someone else will. No need to have it sitting idle if there is a company willing to actually put some effort into the route. B6 shouldn't be allowed to tie it up unless they are using it, similar to the argument made about the AA frequencies when they got reallocated earlier this year.

Exactly! BTW I too have no ill will against B6 if anything the opposite Id like them to stay around for a very long time, helps to keep the others in check.

Nor if I was heading to Columbia would I be flying out of any FL airport, Id probably fly CO or AV non-stop out of NY. But I dont think its fair for any carrier to simply bid for a route - get it - and then simply mothball it, when there just might be another carrier that would indeed fly the Routing. Mothballing will only cost the Consumer more in the end. Sort of like bidding at an auction if you dont pay up the price you won it at, you not only lose the item but your deposit as well. I dont think any Carrier had to put down any type of a deposit if they had to, it would be a whole different story.

Spirit will be requesting the frequencies next week to start Fort Lauderdale-Medellin. They will be willing to put the frequencies to use by the end of September.

Excuse me, MAH4546? Is that seventh weekly frequencies from FLL-MDE, am I correct? I would have wait for DOT will receiving the finalized approval for which specific date. If NK will inauguration for FLL-MDE shortly but, if they doesn't have any USA approval this time.

That's an interesting development. Are there any additional frequencies available to use other than the ones currently assigned for MCO-BOG? The others would be the DL or CO frequencies, right?

There are 14 frequencies - JetBlue's MCO-BOG and Continental's IAH-CLO. Spirit will apply for all 14, but no idea where they will use the other seven.

There are 14 frequencies - JetBlue's MCO-BOG and Continental's IAH-CLO. Spirit will apply for all 14, but no idea where they will use the other seven.

Which frequencies is that either MCO or IAH? Please clarify something for me. :confused:

There are 14 frequencies - JetBlue's MCO-BOG and Continental's IAH-CLO. Spirit will apply for all 14, but no idea where they will use the other seven.

I didn't put two and two together when I saw the IAH-CLO cut announced by CO that it was also one of the newly assigned frequencies. It'll be interesting to see if NK can come up with another destination to fly to. I suppose that FLL-CLO is an option.

It will be hard for the FAA to deny the slots to NK if the other carriers are not going to use them.

You mention it was pushback from origin dates from October 2008? Could you please explains to me about MCO-BOG didn't received approved from DOT this time. It was requested denied for service from MCO-BOG this time. Perhaps if B6 will eventually considering to try another specific routes from FLL-BOG instead of MCO. Is that NK has been already received the finalization approval for FLL-BOG will beginning on July 24, 2008.

Jetblue still holds the route authority to serve MCO-BOG. Jetblue would like to push back the DOT-required start date for that route from no later than Aug. 21, 2008 to no later than May 21, 2009. The DOT has not ruled on this request yet as it was just filed yesterday. Chances are another airline will request it.

Im sure B6 would hav eLoved to have gotten the FLL-BOG routing but NK got it and I dont see B6 being allowed to fly it at this time, nor do I feel they should be allowed to

Yes, in fact, Jetblue filed a request for 14 freq. in the initial phase: MCO-BOG (which they were awarded) and FLL-BOG (which they were pretty sure would be awarded to Spirit).

Spirit will be requesting the frequencies next week to start Fort Lauderdale-Medellin. They will be willing to put the frequencies to use by the end of September.

Maybe you can explain to me the process here. Seemingly, Jetblue would have to drop the route before there could be a re-application process for it. Otherwise, we are talking about the transfering of an untransferable route. The award was MCO-BOG and *only* MCO-BOG. If another airline files for the frequencies then they are bound by that pairing, no?

In the end, if Jetblue does not begin MCO-BOG by August 21st and the extension is not granted and another airline wants the frequencies then Jetblue has the same right to reapply for a different routing.

The request that you say Spirit intends to file is then jumping the gun on the proceedings.

Publicly, Jetblue has not announced an unwillingness to fly the route, they have merely asked to extend the start date. This says nothing about whether or not they would start MCO-BOG by the required date if the extension request was eventually denied.

Maybe you can explain to me the process here. Seemingly, Jetblue would have to drop the route before there could be a re-application process for it. Otherwise, we are talking about the transfering of an untransferable route. The award was MCO-BOG and *only* MCO-BOG. If another airline files for the frequencies then they are bound by that pairing, no?

In the end, if Jetblue does not begin MCO-BOG by August 21st and the extension is not granted and another airline wants the frequencies then Jetblue has the same right to reapply for a different routing.

The request that you say Spirit intends to file is then jumping the gun on the proceedings.

Publicly, Jetblue has not announced an unwillingness to fly the route, they have merely asked to extend the start date. This says nothing about whether or not they would start MCO-BOG by the required date if the extension request was eventually denied.

I think that Spirit is probably jumping the gun a hair, but I also cannot blame them for being aggressive in this effort. They are trying to show that they are willing to start operating the route(s) ASAP and using that as a means to get access to them, effectively lobbying against the deferment by showing current demand for the slots. I have no idea if CO is going to apply for a deferment on the IAH-CLO route, though I'd assume that they will.

The DoT could tentatively grant the route authority to NK pending forfeiture of one of the other two or any of a number of other approaches. I agree that the DoT granting an authority that has not been forfeited would be strange, but they took the AA one when AA didn't operate the flights so there is precedence for taking the B6/CO one if they aren't operating.

Because these authorities are so highly contested I would be VERY surprised to see the DoT grant extensions.

The DoT could tentatively grant the route authority to NK pending forfeiture of one of the other two or any of a number of other approaches. I agree that the DoT granting an authority that has not been forfeited would be strange, but they took the AA one when AA didn't operate the flights so there is precedence for taking the B6/CO one if they aren't operating.

Because these authorities are so highly contested I would be VERY surprised to see the DoT grant extensions.

I also see the extension request as an almost moot point. The chances of it being approved seem near-nil in this case.

Although you use the AA example as precedence, in this situation I don't see the correlation. B6 has not even reached the end of their 90-day window to initiate service. The DOT stripping these freq. is unimaginable IMO until and if B6 does not initiate service by required date or hands the route back to the DOT for re-application.

Truly, we are prophecising on speculation as neither Spirit nor any other airline has filed for any frequency but if CO has announced the cut IAH-CLO I would assume these would be the first to be decided on in any reallocation by the DOT simply because they have announced the intention of not serving the route.

I am still confused by the official process as it relates to MAH4546's prognostication re: Spirit filing a request for B6's freq. when they still clearly have not been forfeited.

Truly, we are prophecising on speculation as neither Spirit nor any other airline has filed for any frequency but if CO has announced the cut IAH-CLO I would assume these would be the first to be decided on in any reallocation by the DOT simply because they have announced the intention of not serving the route.


I agree that the CO frequencies are likely to go first.

The only thing that I can see the DoT saying to NK on the B6 frequencies is that they are still assigned and that only when they become available will a decision be made.

Maybe you can explain to me the process here. Seemingly, Jetblue would have to drop the route before there could be a re-application process for it. Otherwise, we are talking about the transfering of an untransferable route. The award was MCO-BOG and *only* MCO-BOG. If another airline files for the frequencies then they are bound by that pairing, no?

JetBlue is bound to the pairing, but another airline is not.

Since JetBlue is not starting MCO-BOG by the time they had to - 21 August 2008 - another airline is now allowed to request the frequencies for any route they want. JetBlue can ask to delay, but for all essential purposes, the route selection process is now starting over. It is back to day one.

Since JetBlue is not starting MCO-BOG by the time they had to - 21 August 2008 - another airline is now allowed to request the frequencies for any route they want. JetBlue can ask to delay, but for all essential purposes, the route selection process is now starting over. It is back to day one.

The question is whether the DoT can re-allocate the frequencies before the expiration of the period B6 has to begin operations. I would think that the decision could be made conditionally, but that nothing will really happen until late August or early September.

The question is whether the DoT can re-allocate the frequencies before the expiration of the period B6 has to begin operations. I would think that the decision could be made conditionally, but that nothing will really happen until late August or early September.

DOT can reallocate the frequencies tomorrow unless JetBlue shows a good faith effort to start the flights by August 21st.

DOT can reallocate the frequencies tomorrow unless JetBlue shows a good faith effort to start the flights by August 21st.

Yes, it could be finalization approval from DOT for either MCO-BOG or FLL-BOG. I think its facts from B6 will waiting for subject to DOT approval for MCO-BOG in between August 21, 2008 or May 2009. I'm sure if they will have decide to choose the specific date to begin for MCO-BOG shortly.

DOT can reallocate the frequencies tomorrow unless JetBlue shows a good faith effort to start the flights by August 21st.

Is there any precedence for that?

Regardless, I would say the DOT would have to respond to B6's extension request first. (Although I see the request as more of a procedural and positioning issue for the future.) Given the amount of competition for these freq. I'd be surprised if they truly expect to be approved for delaying the start date. If they were going to start the route they should have announced it after the DOT denied the blanket waiver.

Is there any precedence for that?

Delta Air Lines' stole seven United Airlines' Brazil frequencies in the same manner in 2004.

Regardless, I would say the DOT would have to respond to B6's extension request first. (Although I see the request as more of a procedural and positioning issue for the future.)

No, that's not how it works. They cannot respond to JetBlue's request without addressing Spirit's superior use for the frequencies.

This is how it will happen:

1) JetBlue applies to delay service.
2) Spirit applies for the frequencies, saying they can use them before JetBlue
3) JetBlue has a shot to come back and say, "okay, look, we'll use them earlier" if they choose too.
4) DOT chooses between Spirit and JetBlue.

Delta just yesterday filed to waive the mandatory start date of their JFK-BOG date and requests exemption until May 1, 2009 as well.

This means that 3 of the 4 airlines awarded are likely to not meet the deadline, citing fuel costs and the launching of a route near the end of peak-season.

Maybe Spirit wants all 3? Why not?:rolleyes:

It seems that given the interest in a delay, and, as of yet hearing not a word from Spirit on any of these frequencies that these requests may have a chance of being granted.


From Delta's request:

"These circumstances have combined to create a start-up condition that would irrationally force the carriers selected to commence their new U.S.-Colombia services at the worst possible time of the year. The combination stacks the deck against their ability to make these new services successful."

Maybe Spirit wants all 3? Why not?:rolleyes:

It seems that given the interest in a delay, and, as of yet hearing not a word from Spirit on any of these frequencies that these requests may have a chance of being granted.


A "word for Spirit" is on the way. There is no need to rush the matter right now.

Spirit wants all the open frequencies. They originally applied for all 28, and the new open frequencies will allow them to open all the service they originally proposed to start.

However, now comes word that AA might be protesting, and asking for the frequencies back by default.

However, now comes word that AA might be protesting, and asking for the frequencies back by default.

Ha! The soap opera continues.

Wasn't it them that delayed the award process, for better or worse, and pushed the award announcement into late May due to their litigation, thereby delaying possible start dates into late July?

Any thoughts that all this may end up in litigation and/or reapplication until May 1, 2009?:eek:;)

For those interested:

Spirit has applied, as some expected, for B6's and DL's frequencies to serve Bogota.

They wish to expand FLL-BOG service to twice daily and add a daily FLL-MDE.

B6 requested to serve FLL-BOG, and were denied, while being approved for MCO-BOG in the original application proceedings. Maybe they(B6) would still retain, at least in an informal way, some claim to that route should they choose to ask to serve FLL-BOG instead. It would be hard for Spirit to argue that B6 starting service would provide too much capacity for the route if they themselves are prepared to start it.

Regardless where you fall on the viability of MCO-BOG, I'm sure everyone agrees that FLL-BOG would be less of a question in that department.

The DOT has decided today to grant an extension to both Jetblue and Delta, effectively denying Spirit's request to take over the frequencies.

Jetblue has been given a start date Febuary 15, 2009 which is nearly 3 months earlier than requested.

Delta, for its part, had altered its proposed extension to begin service mid-December which the DOT granted.

The DOT notes Spirit's request and warns both carriers that it may not be so responsive to further requests to delay.

Its reasonings on approving the extension was that the requests from Spirit had slated their new service to start between 3-4 months earlier than these newly assigned start dates and the DOT did not find sufficient cause to reverse the decision it made earlier based on public benefit that it had used to earlier award frequencies.

With the drawback in oil recently, this route may be seeing the light of day towards the end of winter.

Will bring Jetblue's response as soon as it comes available.

The schedule for the service has been announced (http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=131045&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1209755&highlight=):

JetBlue's schedule between Bogota and New York via Orlando:

Depart New York (JFK) 1:20 p.m. Arrive Orlando (MCO) 4:08 p.m.
Depart Orlando (MCO) 5:55 p.m. Arrive Bogota (BOG) 9:48 p.m.
Operates daily effective January 29, 2009

Depart Bogota (BOG) 10:00 a.m. Arrive Orlando (MCO) 2:01 p.m.
Depart Orlando (MCO) 3:31 p.m. Arrive New York (JFK) 6:10 p.m.
Operates daily effective January 30, 2009


JetBlue is touting this as same-plane through service, which is nice, but the times seem a bit off to me. There is a 1:47 pause in Orlando on the outbound, which will probably be necessary thanks to JFK delays, but that is a long time to wait on a direct flight. And the return flight only has 90 minutes for the passengers to clear immigration and customs and then clear the TSA before heading back to NYC.

On the plus side, there is no awkward redeye; the plane seems to RON in Bogota for just over 12 hours every night to allow for daytime flights in both directions. I guess JetBlue really is moving towards optimal flight routes and timings instead of just keeping the birds in the air to achieve the highest utilization possible.

On the plus side, there is no awkward redeye; the plane seems to RON in Bogota for just over 12 hours every night to allow for daytime flights in both directions. I guess JetBlue really is moving towards optimal flight routes and timings instead of just keeping the birds in the air to achieve the highest utilization possible.

There may be a few extra birds sitting around come January 29th. This timing looks much better than the earlier proposition. Flights starting at $99 oneway.


Per Amadeus 1/30 return 2/4:

JFK-BOG rt on B6 is $444
DL and AV $611

MCO-BOG - $240 rt.

according to the website you're not allowed to book BOG-US "travel must be purchased and originate in the US".

according to the website you're not allowed to book BOG-US "travel must be purchased and originate in the US".

Why B6 didn't bookable ticket online from BOG-MCO-JFK? :confused:

according to the website you're not allowed to book BOG-US "travel must be purchased and originate in the US".


:confused: This may be due to delayed final approval from the Colombian government as one of the articles mentioned, although it did not link the two together.

I imagine, whatever the reason, this would be a temporary restriction.

according to the website you're not allowed to book BOG-US "travel must be purchased and originate in the US".

If you read the article you'll see that this is only for the immediate future as the service is still dependent on the Colombian government approving the service. As soon as they approve it one will be able to buy tix originating in BOG. That should happen soon enough.

:confused: This may be due to delayed final approval from the Colombian government as one of the articles mentioned, although it did not link the two together.

They are the same article. One is the press release on JetBlue "letterhead" and the other is the exact same text with the commercial wrapper on it. They even used the JetBlue headline. I would guess that it is a completely automated system and no human even proofed the article before the IBTimes published it. And paragraph two is pretty explicit (emphasis mine):
Service is subject to receipt of operating authority from the Colombian Government, and until final government approval is received, all travel must be purchased and originate in the United States only. Itineraries that originate in Bogota will be available for sale at a later date after receipt of Colombian Government approval.

They are the same article. One is the press release on JetBlue "letterhead" and the other is the exact same text with the commercial wrapper on it. They even used the JetBlue headline. I would guess that it is a completely automated system and no human even proofed the article before the IBTimes published it. And paragraph two is pretty explicit (emphasis mine):

Missed your link and the reference in the press release to the delayed approval. oh for two. ;)

Another article mentioned the delayed Colombian approval but no explanation of the effect.

It will be interesting to see if 1) B6 can poach a good number of pax from DL and AV on their non-stops JFK-BOG and 2) how DL and AV alter their pricing if that does occur.

The route's success would seem to depend greatly on getting connectors from other B6 stations.