Hilton HHonors - Handgun Issue w/ Hilton Garden Inn Ohio

Saw a thread on another board. Since some of you may carry for whatever reason, an interesting thread:


"I work in Canton OH and usually stay at the Hilton Garden Inn right by the airport. When I came back to my room tonight, I had a message. The message said that apparently I had a firearm in my room and that since this was against Ohio Law, I needed to put it in my car.

No one could have seen a firearm in my room as it was either on my person or in a locked case in a locked bag - so I'm not sure where they got the idea I had a firearm.....unless the maid didn't like the 3 boxes of ammo and holster I left on the desk.

Handgunlaw.us has a nice index to the laws and a quick search brought me to http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923 which says:
2923.121 Possession of firearm in liquor permit premises - prohibition, exceptions....(2) This section does not apply to any room used for the accommodation of guests of a hotel, as defined in section 4301.01 of the Revised Code.

This really PO'd me as I've been staying here since the hotel opened and we've spent at least $100K with this hotel in the past year or so.....I printed off the page and attached one of the Ohio No Guns No Cash cards to the page and informed the front desk that it is legal to have a firearm in my room in OH and that the general manager needs to call me tomorrow and let me know if she was misinformed, or if she no longer wants my or my companies business. I'll let you know how this works out....."

Interesting. Can I ask what an "Ohio No Guns No Cash card" is?

A quick Google search revealed the Kansas iteration of what the OP refers to...since I live in the People's Republic of New Jersey, this doesn't apply to me. But, as a frustrated pro-carry person, I say bravo to the OP.

http://equalforce.org/Resources.html

How do you spend $100K with a HGI in one year? :confused:

How do you spend $100K with a HGI in one year? :confused:It sounds as if the company puts a lot of people up at that hotel.

How do you spend $100K with a HGI in one year? :confused:
It is the company and it says over the years, not one year.

Interesting. Can I ask what an "Ohio No Guns No Cash card" is?

http://equalforce.org/Resources.html

Um, please see post #2.

It is the company and it says over the years, not one year.

No, it says;

I've been staying here since the hotel opened and we've spent at least $100K with this hotel in the past year or so.....

Hence my question. Even for a company that is a lot of money on one Garden Inn.

(Note to self -- HGI Canton Ohio -- Off list of potential hotels -- if required to stay there for work, bring bullet proof vest and helmet.) Check.:p

I've noticed the signs at several hotels and other locations in Ohio. It's upsetting, but since Ohio is definitely not the most gun-friendly of states, I don't expect much there. I do like the cards though, and will have to print some. :)

If they've screwed up on Ohio law, you should be ok.

If they incorrectly invoked Ohio law when it's actually a Hilton policy to disallow firearms in rooms, then you could be having to choose another hotel.

I recall in my Marriott days that employees were not allowed to have firearms on property at any time, unless specifically noted in their job description. I don't remember if there was a Marriott policy prohibiting guests from having firearms in rooms - but given the shenanigans that some people like to use hotel rooms for (meth labs, porn movies, drug deals, and on and on)...I wouldn't be surprised.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if ALL the major chains had policies against guests having firearms in rooms.

If they've screwed up on Ohio law, you should be ok.

If they incorrectly invoked Ohio law when it's actually a Hilton policy to disallow firearms in rooms, then you could be having to choose another hotel.

I recall in my Marriott days that employees were not allowed to have firearms on property at any time, unless specifically noted in their job description. I don't remember if there was a Marriott policy prohibiting guests from having firearms in rooms - but given the shenanigans that some people like to use hotel rooms for (meth labs, porn movies, drug deals, and on and on)...I wouldn't be surprised.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if ALL the major chains had policies against guests having firearms in rooms.
I don't believe it's a Hilton chain policy, as I've not seen similar signs at other locations. I have seen them at multiple Ohio properties.

(Note to self -- HGI Canton Ohio -- Off list of potential hotels -- if required to stay there for work, bring bullet proof vest and helmet.) Check.:p

Me, too. ;)

As I know it, in Ohio, you cannot CCW a weapon in certain places (liquor establisments, schools, etc) OR in any location which prohibits it (like with a sign on the door), something HGI may specifically have done

It's tricky here in OH. My understanding is that of the above post.

Although you have the right to carry a concealed weapon if properly permitted, if an establishment posts a "No guns" notice, your "permission" is essentially trumped and voided.

My mail comes to a Postal Annex and there is a "no guns" sign clearly posted on the door. It went up shortly after the concealed weapon business was passed a few years ago.

I don't want to be in the same place with concealed weapons. It's a personal choice--the same type of choice you have to walk with your wallet if the HGI has a no guns policy in place and chooses to enforce it.

I'm seeing "no guns" signs down here in San Antonio. It appears that if you try to enter premises that have banned guns by policy, you can be arrested for trespass.

(Note to self -- HGI Canton Ohio -- Off list of potential hotels -- if required to stay there for work, bring bullet proof vest and helmet.) Check.:p

So the armed citizen is just going to randomly walk around blowing people away? That's cute.

Without getting too OMNI-esque, there's a logic to CCW - it reduces the possibility of bad stuff happening because it introduces the X factor...you just don't know who's packing, therefore cowardly bad guys are less likely to do dumb stuff in a public venue.

So the armed citizen is just going to randomly walk around blowing people away? That's cute.

Without getting too OMNI-esque, there's a logic to CCW - it reduces the possibility of bad stuff happening because it introduces the X factor...you just don't know who's packing, therefore cowardly bad guys are less likely to do dumb stuff in a public venue.

Again, without getting too OMNI ...the above (my) bolding highlights the flaw in the position. It requires a RATIONAL bad guy. Not a good bet.

And I'll not be visting the suspect hotel either.

It requires a RATIONAL bad guy. Not a good bet.

Not necessarily...some people are just that stupid.

Again, without getting too OMNI ...the above (my) bolding highlights the flaw in the position. It requires a RATIONAL bad guy. Not a good bet.

And I'll not be visting the suspect hotel either.Shoot now, think later or is it think now, shoot later. :o

I'm seeing "no guns" signs down here in San Antonio. It appears that if you try to enter premises that have banned guns by policy, you can be arrested for trespass.
Correct. However, they are very specific in the signs. From the Texas Department of Public Safety:

If you want to prohibit license holders from carrying concealed handguns on your property, state law requires you to post a sign that says: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun." The sign must be written in both English and Spanish in contrasting block letters at least one inch in height, and must be displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

Shoot now, think later or is it think now, shoot later. :o
Think, and defuse the situation before the criminal kills you.

You beat me to it kipper.

but given the shenanigans that some people like to use hotel rooms for (meth labs, porn movies, drug deals, and on and on)...I wouldn't be surprised.

Whoa. They're making porn at HGI's? I'll have to start packing a UV light from now on.

I don't want to be in the same place with concealed weapons. It's a personal choice--the same type of choice you have to walk with your wallet if the HGI has a no guns policy in place and chooses to enforce it.

I agree; I'll support businesses with no guns policies, too. Personal choice.

Whoa. They're making porn at HGI's? I'll have to start packing a UV light from now on.

They're making porn at hotels. No reason to think HGI is immune.

They're making porn at hotels. No reason to think HGI is immune.

Sure there is, you can't get a HGI for <$40.

Just a quick question to the OP -- wouldn't leaving your holster and ammo lying about in plain sight be equivalent to a sign saying "Handgun here someplace", and an open invitation to steal it?

Is this common practice with you? Most of the people I know who carry weapons (especially on trips) go to great pains to conceal that fact.

Just a quick question to the OP -- wouldn't leaving your holster and ammo lying about in plain sight be equivalent to a sign saying "Handgun here someplace", and an open invitation to steal it?

Is this common practice with you? Most of the people I know who carry weapons (especially on trips) go to great pains to conceal that fact.

I usually always carry in the same position, however, Mr. Kipper alternates not just between shoulder and back, but also different types of shoulder holster--vertical and horizontal. It depends on what he's wearing. He could possibly take both shoulder holsters so he can use the one that best works with what he's wearing that day. In that case, he'd leave the other one in the room. He probably wouldn't leave it out, but I've tossed things in my suitcase, and not zipped my suitcase before leaving. An empty holster and ammo doesn't mean there is a firearm there, it means there was a firearm there at some point. :)

Sure there is, you can't get a HGI for <$40.

You need to upgrade your porn experience. :D :D :D

Whats the go with TSA when you take your gun in your checked luggage. You have to declare it and ammo obviously but do you need to arrange things prior to checking in at the airport.

From the CO CoC: short answer is that you have to call ahead and that certain not too horrible regulations must be met.

Firearms - See also Sporting Equipment.
Unloaded, non-sporting firearms and ammunition will be accepted as Checked Baggage only when permitted by governmental regulations. Advance arrangements must be made.
EXCEPTION: A law officer will be permitted to carry a firearm onboard the aircraft in compliance with applicable federal, state law or governmental regulations provided advance notice is received by CO.
Exception: A law officer will not be permitted to carry a firearm onboard the aircraft for travel to/from Denmark.

(xi) Shooting Equipment
a. Firearms will not be accepted to/from Israel.
b. Firearms will not be accepted to/from Denmark.
c. Firearms will be accepted only from a customer who is 18 years of age or older.
d. In accordance with U.S.A. federal law, a Passenger who presents Baggage containing a firearm must declare and demonstrate that the weapon is unloaded.
e. One item of shooting equipment is defined as:
i) One hard-sided shooting equipment case containing up to five firearms, with or without scopes, 11 lbs (five Kgs.) of ammunition and articles used in the firearm sport; or

f. Shooting equipment will be accepted as Checked Baggage subject to the conditions specified below:
i) Advanced arrangements must be made.
ii) Rifles and shotguns must be packed in hard-sided locked cases. Containers may be purchased from CO.
iii) Handguns must be packed in hard-side lockable luggage. Baggage containing handguns must be locked at the time of acceptance by CO and the key or combination retained in the Passenger’s custody.
EXCEPTION: For travel to/from the United Kingdom, handguns must be packed
in a hard side rifle case.
iv) Baggage containing firearms will not be accepted knowingly for transportation by CO at any point unless a declaration, signed by the Passenger presenting such Baggage and dated on the day the Baggage is accepted for transportation, is attached to the trigger guard on the inside of the case declaring that the firearms are not loaded.
v) Properly packaged small arms ammunition up to a maximum of 11 lbs. (five
Kgs.) may be checked as Baggage. Ammunition must be packed in the
manufacturer’s original package or securely packed in fiber, wood or metal
containers and the ammunition inside the container must be protected against
shock and secured against movement. The Passenger shall make a written
declaration confirming that the above provisions are met. The maximum gross
weight of ammunition accepted for carriage on any one aircraft is limited to 70
pounds (31.8kgs). Ammunition with explosive or incendiary projectiles will
not be accepted.
vi) Except for military missions (e.g., CRAF), at no time will fully automatic
weapons be acceptable as Checked or Carry-on Baggage.
vii) When firearms used for sporting purposes are carried on the aircraft, the
Passenger must have entry permits for the country/countries of transit and
Destination.
EXCEPTION: This provision may not apply to authorized persons who are
performing a duty on board an aircraft, such as a law enforcement officer or
diplomatic courier. Such Passenger may be permitted to retain custody of a
firearm and ammunition upon identification at the time of check-in.
viii) Baggage containing firearms will be transported in an area, other than the
cockpit, that is inaccessible to Passengers.