US Airways Dividend Miles - Thank You to our FF for giving up their FC seat...

I want to say that this random act of kindness towards our uniformed military members is very touching and I hope that it cotinues. I was the only employee to make it on a DCA-CLT the other day and I was towards the front. After boarding there was one empty FC seat. There was a marine traveling in uniform and he was offered the seat. After he got comfortable a woman comes from the back of the plane and starts screaming at him that he was in her seat and that he shouldn't expect to be treated like hes a hero. She said it so that the F/A in the aft came running. The whole plane was in aww that she was yelling. Another FC traveler got out of his seat and offered his to the marine. After the lady and the marine settled the gentleman who gave up his seat said in a high voice " Lady I hope you like being a B%$%h and I hope you go to hell". As he walked into the back into economy every single passenger cheered... I thank all of our FF for this kindness. Also if you plan on being a royal A$$ on a flight make sure its not towards a military member...

On a side note I had just worked a flight into MCI and had several AF fire fighters that had just done four months in Saudi Arabia. Great group of men and women and everyone said their thanks to them. I was told by the gate agent that the welcome wagon in baggage was huge...

On a side note I had just worked a flight into MCI and had several AF fire fighters that had just done four months in Saudi Arabia. Great group of men and women and everyone said their thanks to them. I was told by the gate agent that the welcome wagon in baggage was huge...

It's good to know that there are well-behaved service members. I recently flew PHL-LAX in F and was seated next to guy who just came back from Iraq. He was in 1A and he already smelled of alcohol. He seemed to be quite a bit wound up, but I figured, "who could blame him?". Then he drank enough alcohol to poison most people. Then he almost started a fight with the guy in 2A.

Before we landed, the FA gives him a bag with two bottles of wine as a gift. When we landed, it took a very long time for the plane to get to the gate (as is often the case at LAX). This guy FREAKED OUT over the delay. He was cursing out loud, over and over again. The FA had to come over twice to calm him down.

When we got to the gate, he jumped out of his seat and pushed an older woman, hard, out of the way so that he could get his bag that was above 3C. The FA didn't see that, and he ran out of the plane before anyone could stop him.

I want to say that this random act of kindness towards our uniformed military members is very touching and I hope that it cotinues. I was the only employee to make it on a DCA-CLT the other day and I was towards the front. After boarding there was one empty FC seat. There was a marine traveling in uniform and he was offered the seat. After he got comfortable a woman comes from the back of the plane and starts screaming at him that he was in her seat and that he shouldn't expect to be treated like hes a hero. She said it so that the F/A in the aft came running. The whole plane was in aww that she was yelling. Another FC traveler got out of his seat and offered his to the marine. After the lady and the marine settled the gentleman who gave up his seat said in a high voice " Lady I hope you like being a B%$%h and I hope you go to hell". As he walked into the back into economy every single passenger cheered... I thank all of our FF for this kindness. Also if you plan on being a royal A$$ on a flight make sure its not towards a military member...

On a side note I had just worked a flight into MCI and had several AF fire fighters that had just done four months in Saudi Arabia. Great group of men and women and everyone said their thanks to them. I was told by the gate agent that the welcome wagon in baggage was huge...

Thank you CWE84 for this post.

I want to say that this random act of kindness towards our uniformed military members is very touching and I hope that it cotinues. I was the only employee to make it on a DCA-CLT the other day and I was towards the front. After boarding there was one empty FC seat. There was a marine traveling in uniform and he was offered the seat. After he got comfortable a woman comes from the back of the plane and starts screaming at him that he was in her seat and that he shouldn't expect to be treated like hes a hero. She said it so that the F/A in the aft came running. The whole plane was in aww that she was yelling. Another FC traveler got out of his seat and offered his to the marine. After the lady and the marine settled the gentleman who gave up his seat said in a high voice " Lady I hope you like being a B%$%h and I hope you go to hell". As he walked into the back into economy every single passenger cheered... I thank all of our FF for this kindness. Also if you plan on being a royal A$$ on a flight make sure its not towards a military member...

On a side note I had just worked a flight into MCI and had several AF fire fighters that had just done four months in Saudi Arabia. Great group of men and women and everyone said their thanks to them. I was told by the gate agent that the welcome wagon in baggage was huge...

It's really the little things that count for our soldiers. I am glad to hear that one of the passengers up in front gave up his seat for the soldier and put the woman in her place in front of the whole plane.

Back when I was in the Army (1989 to 1993), we were discouraged from traveling in uniform most of the time. The few times I did (when on official orders and it was difficult to change), it was all I could do to avoid getting spit on or have people freak out at me... Of course no one ever gave up an F seat for me, I was in middles quite often, as many times the tickets were purchased day of the flight. But it was a different environment then. I did fly in biz class once while in the military, on my own dime (paid the diff on SEL-DTW), and it was worth every penny -v- being in steerage on that long (14 hr) flight.

I wasn't sure if we were still doing the giving up F seat thing for military now. I noticed this was a fairly short flight (DCA-CLT); I wonder if the guy would have willingly done so for a long haul.

I think he did it mostly to make a point to that stupid woman. The marine was okay with his seat and he had a descent one. I know alot of agents in CLT that will put them in FC ahead of FF which IMO is the right thing to do. It truley is amazing to see the very different reactions to our men and women in uniform...

It truley is amazing to see the very different reactions to our men and women in uniform...

Yes. Some people (like the woman on that flight) take out their opposition to the war on the people who actually risk their lives. That woman probably shunned Vietnam vets when they returned, too.

Her behaviour was obviously out of line, but if that was her assigned seat, the real culprit was the person who put the Marine in it. (Perhaps she was in the back making sure a relative or colleague was seated comfortably).

I'm sure none of us would be as rude as she was, but how many of us would casually give up our front-cabin seat (paid for with points, certs, or cash) because someone else was told they could have it?

=aw

I know alot of agents in CLT that will put them in FC ahead of FF which IMO is the right thing to do.

Sorry, I disagree completely. Agents should follow published procedures and upgrade FFers in proper order. If the FFers wish to relinquish their seat, that's their perogative, and they should be able to give the seat to whomever they wish be it military, older person, disabled person, etc.

I think it's great that people are giving up their seats to uniformed service members, but I would be mighty upset to know that the agents were doing so at the expense of the FFers who regularly patronize the airline.

Just my opinion...

I know alot of agents in CLT that will put them in FC ahead of FF which IMO is the right thing to do.

I suspect that would be illegal also in that gov. employees (traveling officially) are not to accept the "gift" of a free seat or FC upgrade. Such a practice is ripe for abuse and could lead to problems for any airline despite that fact it is well meaning.

Semper Fi US Airways!

As a Canadian it's always interesting to see Americans and their views toward their military.

Be that as it may, I saw something even better in early January on a US PHX-LAS flight when a connecting pilot seated beside me in First was called up to the front by an FA, came back, gathered his stuff, and went to the back. Shortly thereafter a young marine was brought up by an FA and put next to me where the pilot had been. I asked him if he was on his way home and unfortunately he was not - he was going to Iraq for the first time.

I think he did it mostly to make a point to that stupid woman. The marine was okay with his seat and he had a descent one. I know alot of agents in CLT that will put them in FC ahead of FF which IMO is the right thing to do. It truley is amazing to see the very different reactions to our men and women in uniform...


Not condoning the behavior of the woman.
Circumventing published upgrade policies is not nice. :td:

Getting an upgrade like this is considered a gift to the individual. Treated the same way as when I get upgraded b/c of my CP status. As such it is permissible. Personally, I prefer to travel out of uniform. Blend in, more comfortable, and can down an extra drink or 2 ;).
For me personally I prefer that the airline follow published guidelines. For a soldier coming back from the sandbox I don't mind a bit of rule bending.

Cliff notes info on Govt travel regs:

First Class Travel

-- According to GSA guidance and JER (Joint Ethics Regs) para. 4-202, DoD employees on official travel may accept airline seat upgrades to first class for official use, as long as there is no additional charge to the government and the upgrade is offered to the employee on the same terms as a member of the public

-- This means that while employees must generally perform official travel by using coach class accommodations, employees may upgrade transportation services at their own expense, which includes the use of personal frequent traveler mileage or upgrade benefits

-- The pre-existing restrictions on first class travel at government expense remain unchanged; see FTR 301-10.123 and JFTR U3125 for additional guidance

-- The pre-existing practice that discouraged first class travel while in uniform is still a recommended practice

--- Thus, even when first class travel is absolutely legitimate, military personnel should avoid wearing the uniform, unless appropriate, to avoid the public perception of misuse of government travel resources

Not condoning the behavior of the woman.
Circumventing published upgrade policies is not nice. :td:


Please! Get a grip Someone is sacrificing their life and you want a first class seat for an hour flight? Someone help me here...

Please! Get a grip Someone is sacrificing their life and you want a first class seat for an hour flight? Someone help me here...

Look, if someone wants to give up their seat for a a fellow-passenger for whatever reason, it is their prerogative -- for a soldier, for someone who is sick, for your loved one, whomever.

All I am saying is that an agent of USAir should not make that call, however well-intentioned, for a customer.

Until the rest of America makes some real sacrifices, please spare me the brouhaha. Giving up your seat is just a cheap way to make yourself feel good.
I find it amusing that you mention "an hour flight". So what, you wouldn't give up your seat if it was a TATL flight?

Look, if someone wants to give up their seat for a a fellow-passenger for whatever reason, it is their prerogative -- for a soldier, for someone who is sick, for your loved one, whomever.

All I am saying is that an agent of USAir should not make that call, however well-intentioned, for a customer.

Until the rest of America makes some real sacrifices, please spare me the brouhaha. Giving up your seat is just a cheap way to make yourself feel good.
I find it amusing that you mention "an hour flight". So what, you wouldn't give up your seat if it was a TATL flight?


Agreed. Call me a sour puss, but that was their choice. Should we be giving up seats to firemen for putting out fires, police officers for putting a crack head in jail, a park ranger for setting loose a mountain lion....please spare me.... :rolleyes:

I'm sure my post isn't going to gain any points with anyone, but with me what you see is what you get. Then again I've been single now for a while...hmmm....:D

I think its the least we can do since maybe the next time we will be seeing them is when they are travelling with us in another part of the airplane into DCA.

Look, if someone wants to give up their seat for a a fellow-passenger for whatever reason, it is their prerogative -- for a soldier, for someone who is sick, for your loved one, whomever.

All I am saying is that an agent of USAir should not make that call, however well-intentioned, for a customer.

Until the rest of America makes some real sacrifices, please spare me the brouhaha. Giving up your seat is just a cheap way to make yourself feel good.
I find it amusing that you mention "an hour flight". So what, you wouldn't give up your seat if it was a TATL flight?

First of all its US Airways not US Air. Giving a FC seat to a soldier is just a "nice thing" to do. In case you dont remember we are a total Voluntary Armed Forces. They do not choose when or where they just choose to serve. They are all well aware of that, so please dont question their commitment to our country they were asked to serve and they did. Your concern over giving a FC seat to soldier over you is really a testament about who you are.

Please! Get a grip Someone is sacrificing their life and you want a first class seat for an hour flight? Someone help me here...
Maybe someone will help you here, but its not going to be me. Why is it patriotic to give your seat up for someone in the military, and not to, say, a firefighter? What about a police officer? Teacher? Aren't kids our future? Where does one draw a line? US Army is a contract institution, not a draft, i.e. it is a choice of an individual to join the forces.
I truly feel awful that our soldiers are dying in Iraq for no reason at all (but I don't want to turn this into a political discussion), I also feel awful that there are plenty of firefighters, police officers, etc. that are in danger everyday, and no one gives their seats up for them.
I am fully aware that the majority of people here would disagree with this, but this is my point of view.

EDITED: Just saw enviroian's post, and agree with it completely, looks like I am not the only one who feels that way.

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Maybe someone will help you here, but its not going to be me. Why is it patriotic to give your seat up for someone in the military, and not to, say, a firefighter? What about a police officer? Teacher? Aren't kids our future? Where does one draw a line? US Army is a contract institution, not a draft, i.e. it is a choice of an individual to join the forces.
I truly feel awful that our soldiers are dying in Iraq for no reason at all (but I don't want to turn this into a political discussion), I also feel awful that there are plenty of firefighters, police officers, etc. that are in danger everyday, and no one gives their seats up for them.
I am fully aware that the majority of people here would disagree with this, but this is my point of view.

I truly feel awful that our soldiers are dying in Iraq for no reason at all

As an American I can not even respond to your statement or believe you said that. Have a great life I'm done responding to this thread.

I truly feel awful that our soldiers are dying in Iraq for no reason at all (but I don't want to turn this into a political discussion), I also feel awful that there are plenty of firefighters, police officers, etc. that are in danger everyday, and no one gives their seats up for them.
I am fully aware that the majority of people here would disagree with this, but this is my point of view


Good post ^

Ian

Good post ^

Ian

The majority dont!

The majority dont!

I thought you weren't going to respond to the thread as you mentioned in your previous post?

Regardless, please spare me, there is a reason I don't know which channel Fox News is on. :rolleyes:

Maybe someone will help you here, but its not going to be me. Why is it patriotic to give your seat up for someone in the military, and not to, say, a firefighter? What about a police officer? Teacher?

Or the people, besides servicemen/women, that really risk their health and their lives for us, like loggers and EMTs.

Giving your F seat to a soldier, airman, etc.: Cool. ^
Being forced to give up your F seat by a GA circumventing the official policy: Not cool. :td:

Or the people, besides servicemen/women, that really risk their health and their lives for us, like loggers and EMTs.

Giving your F seat to a soldier, airman, etc.: Cool. ^
Being forced to give up your F seat by a GA circumventing the official policy: Not cool. :td:

Dont worry when Bill and Hillary are elected you will be all winners!

Dont worry when Bill and Hillary are elected you will be all winners!

LOL! I think this quote says it all!

Dont worry when Bill and Hillary are elected you will be all winners!


no need to turn this into an Omni thread. Please...

If I had a confirmed seat in F and was bumped for whatever reason I wouldn't be pleased. I think it is similar to to some of the 'switching seats' thread. If people ask politely, many FTers are more than willing to give up their seat. However, if someone else just plonks themselves in your seat, regardless of whether you are the president or a random person, the person whose seat it is has a right to be POd IMHO.

Maybe someone will help you here, but its not going to be me. Why is it patriotic to give your seat up for someone in the military, and not to, say, a firefighter? What about a police officer? Teacher? Aren't kids our future? Where does one draw a line? US Army is a contract institution, not a draft, i.e. it is a choice of an individual to join the forces.
I truly feel awful that our soldiers are dying in Iraq for no reason at all (but I don't want to turn this into a political discussion), I also feel awful that there are plenty of firefighters, police officers, etc. that are in danger everyday, and no one gives their seats up for them.
I am fully aware that the majority of people here would disagree with this, but this is my point of view.

EDITED: Just saw enviroian's post, and agree with it completely, looks like I am not the only one who feels that way.

I agree completely as well. I would not give up my seat for someone who is fighting in a country where so many civillians (some of whom are family members of my close friends) have been killed, IMHO uneccesarily.

Even then, I think it is fair that you would also give up your seat to a doctor, police officer, firefighter etc. if you are willing to give it up to someone in the military. On a side note - in such situations would US refund the money / miles to the man who gave up his seat?

Cheers,

If I had a confirmed seat in F and was bumped for whatever reason I wouldn't be pleased. I think it is similar to to some of the 'switching seats' thread. If people ask politely, many FTers are more than willing to give up their seat. However, if someone else just plonks themselves in your seat, regardless of whether you are the president or a random person, the person whose seat it is has a right to be POd IMHO.



I agree completely as well. I would not give up my seat for someone who is fighting in a country where so many civillians (some of whom are family members of my close friends) have been killed, IMHO uneccesarily.

Even then, I think it is fair that you would also give up your seat to a doctor, police officer, firefighter etc. if you are willing to give it up to someone in the military. On a side note - in such situations would US refund the money / miles to the man who gave up his seat?

Cheers,


have you read any history books about WWI and WWII and what our enemys did? Do you agree? How do you feel about the1,000 Iraquis gassed?

Okay I think we need to close this thread. I was only trying to point out that one of your fellow FF was a nice guy while another was a B*&%H and that some of the GA who have blood in the war want to do something nice.

have you read any history books about WWI and WWII and what our enemys did? Do you agree? How do you feel about the1,000 Iraquis gassed?

AZ...your intervention is requested lol

wow! idiocy, cowardice, and ignorance -- all in one thread! :rolleyes:

wow! idiocy, cowardice, and ignorance -- all in one thread! :rolleyes:

Some additional adjectives come to mind, but it's probably best that we just stop now.

-AZ
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