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neilyork
Oct 4, 07, 12:33 pm
Frankfurt to Dubai
Lufthansa First Class
Boeing 747-400

Earlier this year I decided to make a redemption booking, having collected BD Diamond Club (Star Alliance) points for ten years and never used a single one! Looking at the various options, I decided against a BD redemption for two reasons: 1) At the time of looking, they were upgrading their C class seats so in terms of timing, it wasn't a good idea and 2) BD have some excellent seasonal C class fare sales to the US which I'd be happy to pay cash for. So, I decided to have a trip in F and having never been to Dubai, they both converged to produce this itinerary.

The following report relates mostly to the outbound trip (FRA - DXB) with some comments on the return journey (DXB - FRA) - if you have any more questions, I will be happy to answer.

FRA - The First Class Terminal

Having stayed at a hotel in Frankfurt the night before, I arrived at the airport at 1030 in plenty of time to experience the First Class Terminal. The scheduled departure of LH634 was 1300.
I was met at the ground floor of the FCT by one of the lounge representatives and taken to security screening where my passport was taken, in exchange for my boarding card. Security screening is handled well here, a far cry from my usual haunts of Heathrow!
The representative showed me around the lounge given that this was my first visit. I must say I was very impressed! What really struck me was just how quiet and relaxing this place is.
I took my seat and some magazines and was brought a coffee - I opted not to take any alcohol since I didn't want my first ever First Class trip to be a distant blur afterwards!
About 1130 I went into the small restaurant and took a steak meal. It was very good - the steak and I guess most food here isn't cooked fresh so you take it as it comes.
All too soon, it was time to board and the same person who checked me in came to collect me. I was taken to the ground level where I collected my passport and was guided into one of the A-Team like vans. A cautionary tale here is that (as they explained to me), when there are a number of First Class passengers on the same flight, you do not get taken to the plane by Cayenne or S-Class, it is the van. Still, a very nice van it was!

FRA - DXB - The First Class Flight

A quick ride in the elevator and I was boarding the 747-400. A truly amazing aircraft and definitely my own favourite.

Economy and Business Class passengers had already boarded by the time First Class passengers arrived at the aircraft. So, a quick hike to the Upper Deck and I took my seat (82K). This isn't the first time I had been on the UD of the 744 as those of you familiar with UA's fleet will know, some C class seats are located upstairs also.
I was quickly approached and asked what I would like to drink and was brought this with some nuts. The cabin was about half full and the seat next to me was vacant so I placed my headphones there (Bose, although I noticed Sennheisers were LH's own offering). First impressions of the cabin were very positive. It had a real spacious feel to it.

We pushed back on time and were soon airborne looking down over the Frankfurt area on a beautifully clear day. Flight time was estimated at 5h30.

It seemed to take a long time before the seat belt sign was turned off but once this happened, the purser came to introduce herself calling me by name. She was the first of three very pleasant LH flight attendants who would look after me on this flight.

I took the AVOD out of the central console and started looking around the offering. Admittedly, I was impressed by the system, albeit the screen is a bit small compared to F in some other airlines. I liked the touch screen and soon found myself watching 'Mr. Bean's Holiday'.
Throughout the movie I seemed to be inundated with yet more courses of food! It seemed never ending and on todays flight, I chose the lamb as main course. It was ok, but not the best lamb I've ever had. The other courses were also 'ok' but nothing spectacular. I did like the service though, with plenty of choice and proper cutlery! As a finale, I asked for a port and it was the finest I have ever had.

Having finished dinner, I reclined the seat back to finish watching the movie. The seat did feel very comfortable and as you will know, it can lay totally flat although it being a day flight and my first ever First Class experience, I chose not to sleep. I found the seat very comfortable for the entire duration, even in the completely upright position whilst eating and landing.

Shortly before landing, a very brief service of light refreshments was dished up and I was given a pass to use fast track immigration and despite a long walk to the desk, the formalities were completed quickly, as is usual in Dubai.

Overall thoughts

The flight was excellent and I'll struggle to deal with future flights in Economy! The flight attendants were extremely friendly and nothing was too much trouble - the personal touch is very nice and is probably the best thing about this flight. The FCT is simply superb and the best way to start any flight. I loved the way one person looks after you until you board and the restaurant style food service. Access being limited to HON and F passengers, you also get that feeling of it being your own tranquil environment. Very relaxing.

DXB - FRA - Pre-flight

After a very enjoyable five days in Dubai, I arrived back at DXB around 2230 for my 0200 flight (LH631) back to FRA.

Further to my previous flight, I'm afraid to say what a difference! To start with, there is no priority access to check-in (pre-screening is done before being allowed to the check-in desk). So, I had to endure a lot of people who were pushing in, shoving and seemed to be taking their entire life possessions with them. Once at check-in, despite no queue at the Y desk, there was nobody manning the F/C desk which I thought was pretty poor. In fairness though, with no queue, I checked in at the Y desk quickly.

I then proceeded through the immigration departures desk and there was a lane open for F/C passengers of all airlines - I was processed quickly.

Once through into departures, I made my way to the Star Alliance lounge. Again, a big disappointment. The lounge is split into C and F but doesn't cater very well for either. The lounge was pretty much full and again, as an F passenger, I expected to be able to find an oasis of calm, but not tonight. With both the Swiss and Lufty flights waiting to go, I felt squeezed in.

DXB - FRA - The First Class Flight

Boarding was called at about 0115 and I made another long walk to the gate and put onto a bus which took a long time to get to the aircraft where I took my seat (again, 82K). The cabin was probably half full and nobody was in the seat next to me. Push back was on time and the purser introduced herself by name once airborne. Given the late hour, a very brief food service was given but it really was poor - it consisted of small salmon bites followed by a small dessert. It was barely worth setting the table. The cabin lights were then switched off.

I chose to sleep on this flight so reclined the seat flat and asked for a blanket. I must say that the F seat is great and very comfortable for sleeping on. I've never been able to sleep well on flights but I did manage about four hours tonight. The lights were turned on about 90 minutes before landing and pre-ordered breakfast was served - I chose the 'American' option which consisted of fruit, fruit juice and mushroom omelette. It was average.

We landed on time and unlike on the previous flight, we were bussed back to the terminal to join the long queue for immigration, with no priority pass this time! Once clear of customs, I took advantage of the day room at the Kempinski Gravenbruch - unlike some comments about this hotel on TripAdvisor, I thought the room was really nice and got some much desired sleep.

Overall thoughts

The F cabin was obviously the same as with the outbound flight and the Flight Attendants were just as pleasant. The F seat is great for sleeping on. But in other respects there are some improvements needed...
With little attention to detail, I'd suggest that there is actually no difference in ground service between C and F at DXB. Other than the lounge (which wasn't very good), we had no better experience that Y passengers. Also the food on-board wasn't very good. I'd have quite happily taken something more substantial if it had been offered, but it wasn't.
On the flip side though, Frankfurt is obviously a main base for LH and they do excel here because they can. Turning this around, I wonder what Emirates offer their F passengers at Frankfurt returning to Dubai? Maybe they too don't make much of a distinction for their premium passengers when not at their main base.

General thoughts regarding the whole LH First Class experience

Leaving Frankfurt, if LH had offered an on-board suite, they would be amongst the best in the First Class market. Apart from that though, I couldn't fault the service.
It's the journeys back into Germany that lets them down. No manned premium desks, unacceptably low standard of lounge and having to stand on the bus to go to the plane all made me feel like I do when I'm travelling C - but I wasn't - I was in F.
Would I travel in LH F again? Yes, most definitely. Would I pay the full fare? No, certainly not.

Best Regards,
Neilyork


mijugo
Oct 4, 07, 12:51 pm
Nice report - thank you for sharing it.

Some months ago LH offered on short nighflights departing in the middle east a "light dinner" (not the full meal like on the dayflights), wich was pretty nice, as the lounge (as you mentioned) is really nothing to write home about. It looks like they have stopped these service - or did you choose to have only the salmon?

Michael

daniellam
Oct 4, 07, 2:02 pm
All too soon, it was time to board and the same person who checked me in came to collect me. I was taken to the ground level where I collected my passport and was guided into one of the A-Team like vans. A cautionary tale here is that (as they explained to me), when there are a number of First Class passengers on the same flight, you do not get taken to the plane by Cayenne or S-Class, it is the van. Still, a very nice van it was!



You can always tell them that you want to be taken to the plane in a seperate car by yourself. That's what I did when I was told there woul be other passengers.


SMK77
Oct 4, 07, 5:02 pm
And let them know upfront that you are not keen for a Van. They promise a limousine service - and there is nothing wrong with insisting on getting a limousine service. :-)

ylwae
Oct 4, 07, 10:35 pm
Some months ago LH offered on short nighflights departing in the middle east a "light dinner" (not the full meal like on the dayflights), wich was pretty nice, as the lounge (as you mentioned) is really nothing to write home about. It looks like they have stopped these service - or did you choose to have only the salmon?

Michael

It's just a refreshment service now--I flew the same sector less than a month ago and same deal. Flight attendants were nice, you get pyjamas, but catering is minimal. The catering is better in LX F on this sector, I think.

The *A lounge is a waste of time--always crowded, and the separate F section really isn't.

LH_Fan
Oct 5, 07, 5:35 am
My big issue with the DXB - FRA flight is the time of it - barely tolerable on a business trip, but (and I did it once) a showstopper on vacation. I much prefer DXB - MUC - FRA wich leaves in the morning!

E3A-Sentry
Oct 5, 07, 9:27 am
My big issue with the DXB - FRA flight is the time of it - barely tolerable on a business trip, but (and I did it once) a showstopper on vacation. I much prefer DXB - MUC - FRA wich leaves in the morning!

Just a quick question-which flight are you talking about that flies to munich in the morning-is it emirates?the only *alliance connection in the morning is the condor flight to fra in october.

cheers

LH_Fan
Oct 5, 07, 9:42 am
Just a quick question-which flight are you talking about that flies to munich in the morning-is it emirates?the only *alliance connection in the morning is the condor flight to fra in october.

cheers

Sorry - my mistake. I was on the flight last Feb - and I just checked, they certainly fly again in Feb of 2008 (LH639 - departing at 08:55). Unfortunately, this flight does not operate in Oct.

SMK77
Oct 5, 07, 7:38 pm
It's just a refreshment service now--I flew the same sector less than a month ago and same deal. Flight attendants were nice, you get pyjamas, but catering is minimal. The catering is better in LX F on this sector, I think.

The *A lounge is a waste of time--always crowded, and the separate F section really isn't.

I just flew to Dubai and I would recommend LH on the way to DXB - full meal service plus snack before arrival. Plus you might take advantage of the ground handling in FRA or MUC.

Return I would highly recommend LX. Although the product itself is the current F seat, it looks very tired and should be replaced soon, the bed is more comfortable than LH and LX gives you choices and still offers a full meal service for those who are up for it. Additional plus: They leave an hour before the LH flight.

Flyingfox
Jan 7, 08, 4:35 pm
Does this mean the caviar service and mediterranean cold appetizers are now gone from this sector?
Just salmon?

neilyork
Jan 7, 08, 4:40 pm
Does this mean the caviar service and mediterranean cold appetizers are now gone from this sector?
Just salmon?

I didn't see caviar on the return, no.

Flyingfox
Jan 7, 08, 4:48 pm
I didn't see caviar on the return, no.

Wow, now THAT was a quick reply! I'd only just posted!

Thanks!

But was there ANYTHING else to eat besides this salmon?
We're doing this routing in February.

neilyork
Jan 7, 08, 5:44 pm
[QUOTE=Flyingfox;9023574]Wow, now THAT was a quick reply! I'd only just posted!

QUOTE]

One of the benefits of having a BlackBerry!

I suppose they might have had other bits to eat if I had asked but a) it was nearly 3am when the salmon arrived and b) others here have indicated the flight back carries no additional premium food - might be you could get a J or Y meal - "Chicken or Beef Sir?"

Flyingfox
Jan 7, 08, 6:04 pm
[QUOTE=Flyingfox;9023574]Wow, now THAT was a quick reply! I'd only just posted!

QUOTE]

One of the benefits of having a BlackBerry!

I suppose they might have had other bits to eat if I had asked but a) it was nearly 3am when the salmon arrived and b) others here have indicated the flight back carries no additional premium food - might be you could get a J or Y meal - "Chicken or Beef Sir?"

Thanks Again.

TEX277 did a trip report on this route from August 2007, just a few months before yours, and had caviar!
I wonder if they actually had it but you'd missed it.......he transcribed the menu in his report and they listed caviar, 2 middle-eastern appetizers, and a dessert.
Forgive my obsessiveness!:D

Rejuvenated
Jan 7, 08, 6:12 pm
Great report! Thanks for sharing!

sadiqhassan
Jan 9, 08, 3:19 pm
Thanks for the report!

I'd actually say the ground services in FRA for EK pax are better than those in DXB (at least for C pax)

The chauffeur drive service is available in both cities, but the dedicated EK lounge in FRA is as nice as the one in DXB but much less crowded.

Cheers,

Flyingfox
Feb 25, 08, 8:54 pm
I just did this routing, leaving DXB at 3:45 AM.

First "snack" was served from a trolley and you could choose whatever you wanted:

caviar with garnishes
arabic mezze (plate of 5 cold appetizers)
western canapes (3 cold ones)
green tea panna cotta with raspberry sauce (VERY good)

Second meal was breakfast with fruits, meusli, yoghurt, cereals, smoothies, breads, and a hot offering of eggs, sausage, tomato.

Service was EXCELLENT. Only 5 of us in the cabin that night.

szg
Feb 26, 08, 2:53 am
Only 5 of us in the cabin that night.

2 month ago I made this trip also in LH F, but we were only 2 passengers in F. :)

coiaflyer
Feb 26, 08, 3:38 am
i would suggest trying Qatar on the return. Although there is a stop in DOH, I think their new First/Business terminal, and in flight service is worth trying.

Ryu2
Feb 26, 08, 8:00 pm
What lounge did you use in DXB? Is it a EK lounge, its own, or a shared one?

neilyork
Feb 27, 08, 1:38 pm
What lounge did you use in DXB? Is it a EK lounge, its own, or a shared one?

If I remember rightly it's a Star Alliance lounge - shared by Lufthansa and Swiss - it's nowhere near big enough especially if the Swiss and LH flights leave around the same time as they did when I used it.

neilyork
Feb 27, 08, 1:41 pm
I just did this routing, leaving DXB at 3:45 AM.

First "snack" was served from a trolley and you could choose whatever you wanted:

caviar with garnishes
arabic mezze (plate of 5 cold appetizers)
western canapes (3 cold ones)
green tea panna cotta with raspberry sauce (VERY good)

Second meal was breakfast with fruits, meusli, yoghurt, cereals, smoothies, breads, and a hot offering of eggs, sausage, tomato.

Service was EXCELLENT. Only 5 of us in the cabin that night.

Maybe they read my review and did something about it!

I'd echo your sentiment about service being excellent - it really is terrific - up until that point I had never, ever, received such good hospitality - the people really do make the difference.

But 3.45am departure?!

Flyingfox
Mar 3, 08, 7:02 pm
What lounge did you use in DXB? Is it a EK lounge, its own, or a shared one?

The lounge is ridiculously small with junk food (bad airport dry stale cheese) and the usual drinks. Not enough space to sit down, so we left and looked around the duty free. It is very uncomfortable and stuffy - felt like there was no air circulation!

Flyingfox
Mar 3, 08, 7:04 pm
Maybe they read my review and did something about it!

I'd echo your sentiment about service being excellent - it really is terrific - up until that point I had never, ever, received such good hospitality - the people really do make the difference.

But 3.45am departure?!

The service was excellent and the meals were actually quite good. We both had seconds on the caviar. The dessert was superb!

3:45 AM for a departure is ugly!

SanDiego1K
Mar 3, 08, 8:16 pm
If I remember rightly it's a Star Alliance lounge - shared by Lufthansa and Swiss - it's nowhere near big enough especially if the Swiss and LH flights leave around the same time as they did when I used it.

The lounge has no showers, which is frustrating when connecting from another flight and wanting to be refreshed.

ItalyBAGold
Mar 6, 08, 6:04 am
Great report! ^



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