Yeah I know it's a repost in the other thread, but the new Y seats are so amazing that I want everyone to see it: :D
http://www.hkadb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14847
I know it requires registration, but it's well worth the hassle! :-:
If you are not a registered member, selected pics are available on reply #3 (http://flyertalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8058580&postcount=3).
Features new F and J as well including new SQ-like IFE controllers, 16:9 PTV screens (no more dots from what I see in the pics) and a completely new StudioCX. :cool:
christep
Jul 15, 07, 4:35 am
Any chance you can get copies of these pictures somewhere where we don't have to be able to read enough Chinese to be able to get through a registration process?
eoinnz
Jul 15, 07, 5:05 am
Here are the direct links to the photos - this was no easy task considering I don't read Chinese - thankfull the article was in English - I haven't copied every single image link just a good selection.
I can't understand why they insist on using a hideous blue-green color for their seat fabrics and arm rests.
jwrhn
Jul 15, 07, 6:11 am
I flew on aircraft equipted with the new seats in march and may. I think amazing is to strong of a word to describe them. Adequate might be better and be forewarned if you buy into all the hype you will very well be disappointed....
hamallu
Jul 15, 07, 6:18 am
The seat cover pattern is very groovy. Looking from the back forwards, the seats look like they came off some sort of roller coaster ride:D.
The silver is very futuristic, but not too sure how it'll all look when the shine wears off after a few flights and the plastic is all scratched.
Those seat cushions look nice and well padded, and somehow I've got the impression that they look slightly wider too.
broadwayboy
Jul 15, 07, 7:01 am
No foot rests? In a recline position, I normally try to put my feet under the seat in front of me. Is this now not possible because of the magazine sleeves location or it still is?
eoinnz
Jul 15, 07, 7:08 am
No foot rests? In a recline position, I normally try to put my feet under the seat in front of me. Is this now not possible because of the magazine sleeves location or it still is?
Look closely at this photo
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x286/bhot_hkadb/P1010254c.jpg
You'll see them at the bottom of the seat.
jwrhn
Jul 15, 07, 7:27 am
There are foot rests but if you are 6 feet or taller you will wish they were not there ...
Singapore_Air
Jul 15, 07, 7:54 am
Does anyone know the seat pitch of these new seats?
The recline in http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x91/bhot_hkadb2/P1010285c.jpg doesn't look like much.
The colour scheme is interesting.
ACfly
Jul 15, 07, 8:34 am
The seat color is just awful. I would be air sick looking at that color all day.:td:
kchika
Jul 15, 07, 9:12 am
I flew on aircraft equipted with the new seats in march and may. I think amazing is to strong of a word to describe them. Adequate might be better and be forewarned if you buy into all the hype you will very well be disappointed....
I'm sorry? Neither HKT nor HOT entered commercial service until May. How could you have flown on the new aircraft in March? :confused:
hamallu
Jul 15, 07, 11:32 am
The seat color is just awful. I would be air sick looking at that color all day.:td:
Yes, it's fugly but you're not going to stare at the fabric in flight now are you? You'd most likely to be engrossed by the new AVOD IFE and the seatbacks are in silver & black plastic not garish blue/green.
It's different to the J cabin where even if you're watching the screen, you'd still be able to get dose of the colours glaring back at you from the ottoman, the partition walls and that of the seats on the aisle opposite you.
upward gaze
Jul 15, 07, 12:34 pm
the seats look good except:
1. the colors are indeed horrible. if CX is to cater to a higher (?) end of the mass market, then aesthetics should be an important consideration. please get those sickly colors off the plane! it's does not evoke any sense of comfort or relaxation.
2. i can only imagine how much grease will be on the head rest "wings". i was on AA Y couple days ago and my seat's headrest "wings" were slick with hair grease/oil and completely disgusting. i hope CX finds a way to efficiently clean/replace these wings.
thanks a lot for the photos!
chilledflyer
Jul 15, 07, 6:29 pm
the recline looks horrendous!!!
For those of you who lives in the UK, has anyone ever been on the new Virgin Trains? I can never get comfortable in those seats for a 3 hour journey, how is one supposed to survive on a 13hour flight to HKG?
I guess the new AVOD in EY is the life-saver on these flights....
-CF-
KE7172
Jul 15, 07, 6:37 pm
The seat color is not that bad IMO. I'm only worried about the seat pitch after you recline your seat as the seat pan moves forward. But anyways overall it's a very good product^ Very cyber feel and the cool IFE!! Now that finally CX can really compete with SQ~ (At least for the IFE! Personally CX's new F & Y is better than SQ's, and also CX's IFE interface looks much nicer than SQ's. Well, this is just my own opinion......)
sxc
Jul 15, 07, 8:21 pm
I have said from day 1 that the colours in J & Y look terrible. I really don't know how anyone would have approved the colour schemes, especially in J class. It doesn't look or feel expensive at all. There is no way that they could have employed an interior designer to put together these cabins - or maybe they employed the interior designer who puts together the garish designs in China.
christep
Jul 15, 07, 10:05 pm
or maybe they employed the interior designer who puts together the garish designs in China.Would you like to hazard a guess as to where most of CX's customers will come from within the next couple of years?
sxc
Jul 15, 07, 11:07 pm
Would you like to hazard a guess as to where most of CX's customers will come from within the next couple of years?
Ironically I prefer Air China's new F/J colour schemes to the CX J class colour scheme.
royalwing
Jul 25, 07, 4:53 am
I flew in the new seat earlier this month (LHR-Hong Kong), and returned (HK to LHR) yesterday in the old seat. Thumbs up for the new seat. ^ First of all, the colouring, while not my favourite, does look "fresh", the seat is very comfortable (slightly less recline than traditional seats), there is quite a lot of legspace, at least if you're not over 1m85, and the seat in front of you does not recline, which gives you this spacious feeling throughout the flight, a big bonus.
The old seat gave me the creeps. :td: Seat space seemed to be slightly smaller than with the news seats, and on top of it, 10 minutes into my flight, the girl in front of me reclined fully her seat. Luckily it's a night flight and I could sleep a bit but it feels utterly cramped once you wake up again.
The next time I would fly long haul to Asia I would seriously consider to fly CX again.
:)
Shareholder
Jul 25, 07, 10:32 pm
The seat color is just awful. I would be air sick looking at that color all day.:td:
Very cheap and downmarket looking. Awful colours. This is not the class act one expects from CX.
KE7172
Jul 25, 07, 10:45 pm
Except for the new F, the seat colors of the other 2 cabins are indeed awful. However, IMO most pax (excluding aviation enthusiasts) would care more about the seat comfort, legroom, IFE etc. than the color of the seats; so not really a big problem I guess, although they can actually pick a more elegant color.
Shareholder
Jul 26, 07, 7:27 am
Except for the new F, the seat colors of the other 2 cabins are indeed awful. However, IMO most pax (excluding aviation enthusiasts) would care more about the seat comfort, legroom, IFE etc. than the color of the seats; so not really a big problem I guess, although they can actually pick a more elegant color.
That's how engineers and accountants think. Design and colour are critical to our comfort and response. Of course, CX like 80% of businesses, fails to see this as an important factor. Which I suppose is why APPLE has broken through with distinctive design and superior products...it may not "pack in as many customers" but it attracts those willing to pay a premium for good design and functionality. In this regard, CX has moved downmarket and become the DELL, SQ has maintained its class act and will be the APPLE.
This could be a big mistake for CX as more middle east carriers move into the market and start to scoop up its customers who appreciate the ambiance of the cabins they travel in -- even in the back -- and leave CX with the low yield dregs.
KE7172
Jul 26, 07, 5:25 pm
That's how engineers and accountants think. Design and colour are critical to our comfort and response. Of course, CX like 80% of businesses, fails to see this as an important factor. Which I suppose is why APPLE has broken through with distinctive design and superior products...it may not "pack in as many customers" but it attracts those willing to pay a premium for good design and functionality. In this regard, CX has moved downmarket and become the DELL, SQ has maintained its class act and will be the APPLE.
This could be a big mistake for CX as more middle east carriers move into the market and start to scoop up its customers who appreciate the ambiance of the cabins they travel in -- even in the back -- and leave CX with the low yield dregs.
CX do hire designers, I believe, to design the new products and of course their color! They would not actually miss this as an important factor. If they really miss it, why would they actually change the color?! They could actually apply the existing color to the new products!
To be honest, every person has a different opinion to the new seat color. Some may like it (There is, I heard from F/As who work in CX), and some may not. For me, I personally don't care that much as long as the other stuff (service, comfort, IFE etc.) is ok.
RickyT
Jul 26, 07, 8:49 pm
That's how engineers and accountants think. Design and colour are critical to our comfort and response. Of course, CX like 80% of businesses, fails to see this as an important factor. Which I suppose is why APPLE has broken through with distinctive design and superior products...it may not "pack in as many customers" but it attracts those willing to pay a premium for good design and functionality. In this regard, CX has moved downmarket and become the DELL, SQ has maintained its class act and will be the APPLE.
This could be a big mistake for CX as more middle east carriers move into the market and start to scoop up its customers who appreciate the ambiance of the cabins they travel in -- even in the back -- and leave CX with the low yield dregs.
Using this line of reasoning, one would think QF has gone down the Dell path as you mentioned. Fior their new cabin design for their domestic fleet, they chose the colour grey, yes, a very depressing grey in economy (http://www.samchuiphotos.com/QFnew/DSC_5426.jpg)and business (http://www.samchuiphotos.com/QFnew/DSC_5416.jpg). The grey looks much worse than the current dark blue and light blue colour scheme. However, does this means it would stop the weekly SYD-MEL business communter from travelling on QF, I don't think so.
I understand your argument, but for me personally, I would unlikely willing to pay more for the ambience of the cabin provided all other service aspects are equal or similar.
sxc
Jul 26, 07, 8:55 pm
I understand your argument, but for me personally, I would unlikely willing to pay more for the ambience of the cabin provided all other service aspects are equal or similar.
Except that in many examples, CX is the one charging the premium. I don't mind paying a premium, but I feel that the ambience of the CX cabin doesn't feel like a premium product.
BTW, the new QF economy class colour in Domestic is supposed to be a deep purple. It may not come out in the pictures.
RickyT
Jul 26, 07, 9:20 pm
Except that in many examples, CX is the one charging the premium. I don't mind paying a premium, but I feel that the ambience of the CX cabin doesn't feel like a premium product.
BTW, the new QF economy class colour in Domestic is supposed to be a deep purple. It may not come out in the pictures.
True, the ambience of the CX cabin (especially J) doesn't have that premium product look and 'feel' but I think the colour scheme in F is pretty good and in Y, so-so (at least I would be staring at the back of a seat most of the time as hamallupointed out)
As for the colour in QF's domestic Y class, perhaps the flash of the camera made it appear more grey then deep purple. Perhaps it might be better in real life than in a photo.
Shareholder
Jul 29, 07, 12:25 pm
CX do hire designers, I believe, to design the new products and of course their color!
Exactly my point...they used engineers and not interior designers. Engineers are great for anything that doesn't involve human beings. But when it comes to environment, there are many considerations to be made, and that is just not the realm of these individuals. That's why our computers were gray boxes and clunky TV monitors for far too long. Engineers are not artists or poets and have impoverished our world because of that. Industrial design has become far more established today because managers have realized that they've let engineers design products for too long. Engineers designed the Palm and Blackberry...but not the iPhone. Need I say more?