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PurdueFlyer
May 29, 07, 9:32 pm
Recently I was able to sample NWA's new 757 service over the pond, in World Business Class. I work for NWA and have enjoyed my share of International travel on their A330s and B747s. I wanted to see how their new 757 TATL product stacks up with their existing international product, and report back to the FT'ers who might be interested in this. Here is my trip report, I hope its not too dry or too long-winded!



I selected the 757 flight since I had already flown in WBC on NWA's other long haul jets, the 747-400 and the A330 (both -200 and -300). Since I work for NWA I felt it was reasonably important to USE our services and be able to field questions about our products that we offer. Oh, and, I'm a travel nut so it’s not hard to find an excuse to fly to Europe for the weekend. The 757 TATL service is new (<one month) and people are curious as to how it compares with our existing international product.

My home airport has no nonstop flights to Detroit, everything goes through MSP. Essentially, I can't connect to ANY DTW--European flights unless I leave early in the morning. However, the new DTW-FRA on the 757 doesn't leave until 11:05 pm, which was perfect in this case. I was able to work a full day and take the last flight out, still getting me to DTW with plenty of time to spare, so I didn't have to take any time off work. After a quick flight & 30 minute layover in MSP, I was given 13D on the A319 over to Detroit Metro, getting in to DTW around 7:45pm. Now, only 3 hours to kill until the next flight leaves!

The 11:05pm departure to FRA is the last flight over the pond from DTW. This is what becomes known as a "dumping flight." Everybody who misconns, or is a volunteer, or is a nonrev who got bumped from earlier in the day, has the potential (at least in theory) to get put on the dumping flight as a last-ditch effort to get them out. I was particularly concerned because the non-rev list on that Friday was 20 people deep on the AMS flights. I waited until the 9:20 to AMS left, and then I approached a young female gate agent and inquired about checking loads on the 11:05 to FRA. She agreed immediately and signed me into the computer. Flight 96 to FRA still had 3 seats open in C, and 8 open in Y. I was the first on the standby list for C (not very often I get to say that!). I also checked the previous flights to LGW, CDG, and AMS. Everything left full but all the standbys on those flights were boarded. I figured I was in the clear, but as a nonrev, you're never in the clear until you're "wheels up." I decide to head over to the gate.

I arrive at the gate around 9:45 and there was one agent working the counter. About 8 people in line, no doubt asking about re-seating. I wait until the line clears and head over to the counter. A tall, lurpy, pasty-looking white guy strolls up to the counter just ahead of me. Here it comes. I can smell an "op up" question coming a mile away. I am annoyed with him already before he even opens his mouth.

Lurpy White Guy: "UH, I was wondering about maybe getting a better seat, like maybe an upgrade to business class."
Agent: "No upgrades on international flights."
Lurpy White Guy: "Well I've gotten them before"
Agent: "We just had a supervisor get fired for upgrading when she wasn’t supposed to. Frankly I don't really want to be the next one." (She could have added, "Especially not because of a tool like yourself.")
Lurpy White Guy: [stands there]
Agent: "Maybe on a domestic oversell, MAYBE. Not on international flights." [Gives him a look that says "After the first period, the score is Agent 1, You 0"]
Lurpy White Guy: [shuffles away]

Now I'm up, but wait! She's just dealt with an annoying passenger. I have to tread water and not be "that annoying nonrev." I ask "What time do you usually clear standbys on this flight?" (it’s non-invasive, I'm just asking for a timeframe so I can know if I should go to the bar and have a drink, or hang out close to the gate. I'm NOT asking "how does it look?").

Agent: "Are you PurdueFlyer?"
me: "yes."
Agent: "I was just working in your record. How ironic."
me: "interesting"
Agent: [with a wordless smile hands me a boarding pass for 1C, upside down, along with my passport]

I do a little victory dance, I have still never flown coach on a NWA-operated international flight. I'm sure one day, my uppance will come, and I will end up with 59E, or something horrible, no doubt between DTW and KIX just to prolong the misery, but for now, the streak lives on!

It’s now 9:50pm. Flight leaves in 1 hour and 15 minutes. I stroll over to the LHR gate so I can ogle over a few of the BA crewmembers. The next gate over, LH is boarding their flight. I watch the crush of people surge towards the jetway. International flights are always entertaining to watch the parade! I head back over to our gate. its now 10:05, 1 hour prior to departure. Crew is just starting to show up, but not all of them are here yet. They saunter up between now and 10:20pm. Finally around 10:30 they call for preboarding and WBC and I scurry aboard, anxious to finally get on the new 757.

I am seated in 1C, a bulkhead aisle. 1D is empty (so far). Across the aisle, there is a male passenger in 1A and 1B is blocked for crew rest. There are 16seats on this 757 in C class, but revenue management only books the C cabin to a max of 15. In fact, seat 1B is not even visible on the seat map so you won't even be able to reserve it. Pax in 1A mentions to the purser that his wife is flying in coach, and wants to know if they can switch seats so the wife can fly up front. Purser advises the passenger that this is fine and they can switch seats any time. He does tell the pax in 1A that they also need 1A for crew use and that he could choose any other seat in WBC. He decides to move next to me, so I lose the empty seat in 1D. Oh well, beggars can't be choosers. I ask the guy where his wife is, and he says "She decided to stay in coach." I am very surprised by this. "What’s more," he adds, "is that she's in a MIDDLE seat in coach." Gasp! This is now very newsworthy! A wife declining an upgrade in lieu of a middle seat on a TATL 757. I recall that there is a poster on FT who goes by the handle "MyWifeisinCoach" and I half-wonder if I am now sitting next to him. I think to myself that this guy really found a "keeper" and only hope she doesn't guilt-trip him for the rest of the vacation. At any rate the husband is now settling into 1D not feeling the least bit guilty, I imagine. I never do see the wife for the remainder of the trip.

Enough social drama for now! On to the flight!

The first thing I noticed was how CLEAN the interior was. For a moment I thought I stepped onto a Continental Airlines flight by accident! Overhead bins, bulkheads, and carpet were obviously recently refurbished and it really showed. It was nice, even in a bulkhead seat, not to have to stare at someone’s dirty footprints all over the wall. Big plus!

The seats are not your typical WBC “eggshell” type seats, but they are fairly comfortable. There is a moveable headrest with little winglets, as I call them, so you can fold the ends inward to anchor your head. The headrest also moves up and down. Also, these seats to not have that little rectangular “block” that so many of you complain about. I found the overall seat cushions to be very comfy. There are no electronic seat controls, just the standard manual silver buttons like on regular 757s. You can control recline and also your footrest angle via these buttons. The actual “foot stop” is a metal bar that folds out of the seat, which you need to manually extend. I found the angle comfortable for sitting upright, eating, sleeping, and just relaxing. It’s a good shape and design and keeps you “anchored” yet comfortable. I too hate the “sliding off” effect that accompanies the regular WBC seats, and you won’t find that happening here. However, they are far from “lie—flat.” One thing I noticed about 1C is that there is no storage space whatsoever. I have flown in row 9 on the 744 (also a bulkhead) and at least you have the little pocket with the safety card and magazine, so you can shove you newspaper or contact lens case in there. On the 757, the pockets are on the side wall, underneath the window. This benefits the guys in 1A and 1D, and since you can’t sit in 1B because of the crew, the only bad seat from a storage perspective was my seat, 1C. It obviously provides great aisle access though, so if you get up often during a flight, you’ll be happy here. When I stuck my feet out, I was unable to reach the bulkhead plate whether sitting or reclining. The guy in 1D never got up during the flight (at least while I was in my chair) and therefore did not notice if he had difficulty exiting the row while I was reclining. Probably no better or worse than the regular WBC seats, in my opinion. Plus, you don’t have the “eggshell” blocking your upper torso, which I think is the main hindrance getting out of a window seat on the 330, and not so much the recline.

I took my seat in 1C and the flight attendant came around with the pre-departure beverages. He goes to put the drink down on the little console and realizes that the 757 doesn’t have the little console like the 330 does. He tells me that this is his first flight in the new 757 over the pond and isn’t sure where all the features are. After a few moments of prodding we discover that the drink holder is a flat sliding tray that you pull UP from the front of the armrest, and then tilt it down, parallel to the floor. We share a chuckle about our little joke and the FA continues on down the aisle. Before departure I can hear the 2 FA’s in the galley pointing things out to each other, like a 16 year old getting in a new car for the first time. These are obviously seasoned A330 crews.

We push back 5 minutes late, and after a brief taxi we are wheels up at 11:20pm. Because of the late hour of the departure, I am interested in onboard service, namely, how much and how fast. I’ve been up for 16 hours and already taken 2 flights, not too much to handle, but I am definitely looking forward to a nice meal and some sleep. At 10,000 feet the FA’s are up and moving fast. They first distribute the entertainment unit. This is smaller than the screens on the other TATL aircraft, and more rectangular. The players are touch screen & they come pre-loaded with movies and music. There are no games available on this unit. Also, there is no moving map display on the 757 aircraft, personal unit or main screen. I don’t know about you, but when I fly internationally I like to know where I am. The purser sets up the player in its holder for you, and plugs it in. I thought this was a nice touch, so the passengers are not fumbling around with cords and such. 20 minutes after takeoff, the WBC passengers all have their units installed and the dinner cart is starting to make its rounds. The WBC cabin is served by one FA, the purser in this case. Joe was our purser and he took great care of us. He didn’t seem overwhelmed working the whole front cabin alone and the service was still speedy and efficient. With only 12 seats occupied up front, the service was very personal and friendly.

The dinner menu is decidedly shortened for this flight, I assume due to the departure time rather than the fact that it’s a 757. The menu reads “DTW-FRA (late night)_WBC_EB_3(1)07” Your dinner options featured a choice of:
--A cold plate of lemon peppered chicken, grilled shrimp, peach slaw and asparagus tips (or)
--Hot turkey and melted Swiss ciabatta sandwich
Both selections served with a side salad of mixed greens, and dessert plate with fruit, cheese and raspberry cream cup
--Assorted breads

That’s it, not much to choose from. I opted for the ciabatta sandwich, which was adequate if you are ordering from your local Quiznos, but I hoped for something a little fancier in WBC. The portion was just about right for that flight time, though. No need to fatten up and then sit there like a sloth for 7 hours. Also, the whole meal was served at once. No salad cart first, followed by the main entrée, followed by the dessert of ice cream and cobbler. They put everything on the tray and handed it to you. I tried to eat slowly and stretch out that sandwich, but without much success. The raspberry cup was small, about the size of a thimble. After I was through with the meal, the purser and I were talking (he knew I was an employee). He asked what I thought so far and I said, “You know, it really feels like a late night transcon from SFO to JFK, on any airline, but with better seats and better food.” He thought about that and said ,”Yeah, it kind of does, doesn’t it?”

I switched on the portable movie player to see what was available. As I said, you have two choices. Movies or Music. I flipped through the movies aimlessly for about 30 seconds, then switched the player off. I’ve never been much into the entertainment industry, I might only go see 1 new movie at a theater per year, if that. Even on a long flight to Japan I might only watch 1 or 2 movies. I’m more into reading, playing with the moving map, or playing bejeweled or solitaire. Also I have 7 hours of music on my iPod which keeps me fairly occupied. At this point in the flight, I have had 3 glasses of Champaign and I’m content with drifting off to sleep.

Because of the flight times, it gets light out very quickly compared to other European departures, Luckily the crew had pulled down the shades and the cabin remained pleasantly dark and comfortable for sleeping. I had no problem getting comfy and sleeping soundly in the WBC seat. Breakfast was served 1 hour prior to landing in FRA. The menu consisted of: Fresh Fruit and warm breads, and a choice of:
--Scrambled eggs with peppered bacon, pork sausage links and toast points (or)
--Cold cereal and yogurt
--coffee or tea

I opted for the cereal since eggs don’t agree with me very well. The cereal was, ummm, about as exciting as cereal can be, which is to say, not very much. Again the breakfast was served on a single tray, all at once. Nothing special but certainly adequate. In retrospect it looked like any other breakfast I’ve eaten in domestic F.

We landed in FRA on schedule after an otherwise pleasant and uneventful flight. I was going to stick around and take some pictures, but we deplaned through Door #1, and I didn’t want to wait until all of coach had deplaned and then get stuck in passport control. I’ll save the photography for someone else.

I know many on the NWA board are interested in this new “service” that we provide over pond via 757s. More routes will be popping up soon, including DTW-BRU/DUS and BDL-AMS. Here’s my thoughts in summary:

Likes: seats, cleanliness, personal service from crew
Dislikes: menu, no moving map.

This wasn’t a bad flight. I’d take it again. If you are going to be flying from BDL to AMS twice a month, and this 757 works for your schedule and needs, take it. There was nothing wrong with the plane, or service. However, I still prefer the A330 for my travel. Just the little things like the widebody cabin, better recline, moving map…makes the difference between “good” and “great.” I still feel like I flew a transcon redeye. I never had the feel of an international flight. It's like we landed and I just “happened” to be in Germany upon arrival. Furthermore, If I am shelling out big bucks for a paid C ticket, or am blowing double miles for a rule buster award ticket, and I have a choice of the A330 or 757, I’d go for the A330 experience. But, again, I would fly the 757 in the future and certainly I’d take it if it were a nonstop.

I hope you found this trip report quasi—informative and enjoyable. I hope for those of you who are intrigued by NWA’s new transatlantic 757 that you will give it a try! Feel free to post any questions you may have and I’ll try and answer them as best I can.

Cheers & happy travels,

PurdueFlyer


das
May 29, 07, 10:14 pm
This is a great report, thanks for posting! I've never flown a 757 across the pond, so your WBC experience is especially interesting.

The meal seems really disappointing, but I think it's due to time of departure moreso than the equipment. By comparison, there is a fairly complete dinner service offered on LH's 10pm ORD-FRA flight. It's a bit streamlined (i.e. dessert and cheese is on the tray already I think), but there is still a separate appetizer course and normal entree selections.

mrcimino1
May 30, 07, 2:15 am
Thanks for the super report.
Menu does seem a little skimpy for WBC, but considering the late hour of the flight perhaps it is OK for most people.
It does make me wonder, though, about the DTW-BRU, DTW-DUS, and BDL-AMS flights. These are not late-night departures, but rather at more normal meal times. At least something better than domestic FC fare is going to be expected on these flights. Hope that NW will come through in this regard.

In your particular situation, it sounds like the Purser had already decided that it was important to move the guy out of 1-A. Four empty seats up front, but none of them were together, so let's do whatever we need to in order to have some "crew rest" seats that are next to each other, away from the other pax.

You mention that RM only allows booking to 15/16 in WBC. Is there a contract issue here, that requires a "crew rest" seat for FA's in WBC? Similar to the tent that was always up over 19AB and 20AB on the old DC-10's, but now it is in the front of the bus?

Thanks again for the great report, hope you had a good day or two in FRA!


jimc_usa
May 30, 07, 8:57 am
I am sorry if I you explained this and I cannot see it, but was this a non-rev flight for you? Or did you pay for it? And is it normal for non-revs to be upgraded on standby? And do you have to travel standby?

aviationjlr
May 30, 07, 2:50 pm
I also could not imagine a flight across the pond w/o a little map, if im not mistaken every flight I have took HNL to SEA they leave the map on after the before and after the movie. . . thank you for the report.

PurdueFlyer
May 31, 07, 7:07 pm
Thanks for the super report.
Menu does seem a little skimpy for WBC, but considering the late hour of the flight perhaps it is OK for most people.
It does make me wonder, though, about the DTW-BRU, DTW-DUS, and BDL-AMS flights. These are not late-night departures, but rather at more normal meal times. At least something better than domestic FC fare is going to be expected on these flights. Hope that NW will come through in this regard.

In your particular situation, it sounds like the Purser had already decided that it was important to move the guy out of 1-A. Four empty seats up front, but none of them were together, so let's do whatever we need to in order to have some "crew rest" seats that are next to each other, away from the other pax.

You mention that RM only allows booking to 15/16 in WBC. Is there a contract issue here, that requires a "crew rest" seat for FA's in WBC? Similar to the tent that was always up over 19AB and 20AB on the old DC-10's, but now it is in the front of the bus?

Thanks again for the great report, hope you had a good day or two in FRA!

Good questions!

I am very interested in the other 757 flights that will be coming online in June & July from a service standpoint. I do think the late night menu is a function of the hour, and not the 757. But it was a little skimpy for WBC. What better way to find out than another "random international trip?" Gives me something to look forward to / plan in the summer.

As for the purser booting the pax out of 1A, I thought that was a little strange. The only seat that is "blocked" is 1B. During the flight, 1B was occupied by one of the pilots. We had 3 pilots for the flight and I think they take turns resting & sleeping in the cabin. The odd part was that 1A was NEVER occupied during the flight (at least that I saw), not by a pilot or by an FA. I wonder if the purser just made up the excuse that they needed the whole row for crew rest, just so the pilot in 1B had some more room to stretch out. I mean, the passenger isn't really going to know the reason. I never saw the FA's sitting in passenger seats at all. Also, if the flight had been booked at 15/15 with paying passengers, would they be downgrading someone to open up an extra crew rest seat? Why wouldn't they just only authorize the C cabin to 14 passengers max and block both seats upfront? its kinda weird. I think the purser pulled one over on the pax, but maybe there was something else going on that I am unaware of.

Typically on the EU flights, it's the pilot crew limitations that drive the number of pilots they must carry, and if they must "rest" during a particular leg. I don't think the FA limitations come into play. Maybe if NWAFA or someone else in the FA ranks reading this can clarify that?

PurdueFlyer
May 31, 07, 7:29 pm
I am sorry if I you explained this and I cannot see it, but was this a non-rev flight for you? Or did you pay for it? And is it normal for non-revs to be upgraded on standby? And do you have to travel standby?

yes, it was nonrev or standby. They will upgade nonrevs to F (for domestic legs) or C for intl if you list for the premium cabin, and if its available. If you list for your standby travel in Y, they will leave you in Y.

Coach is free for all NWA employees, there is an upcharge to fly F or C. Parents cost a little more, unregistered companions cost a little more still. I think its a pretty fair system. Everything is payroll-deduct, so I usually don't even look at what the cost is until it shows up on my paycheck. We also pay our chump international departure taxes (a big thank you to the United Kingdom for costing me $150 just to leave your little island!) which varies from country to country.

What do you mean by "do you have to travel standby?" There is no positive space travel benefits unless you are on "urgent company business." I think director level and above gets some confirmed space pleasure tickets each year (not me of course). It can be extremely rewarding, and at times, a real bother. I've had my share of WBC, Club World, & Business Elite international flights, and I've sat in 26E on a DC9-50 a few times as well. I've been to New Years Day Bowl games all over the country, but I've also missed weddings and funerals at the last moment, left standing at a gate watching the last flight of the day push back. What goes around comes around...

lucky9876coins
Jun 1, 07, 1:52 am
Absolutely fantastic report!:) ^

I have to say that the meal service sounds terrible for an international flight. I understand it's late night, but still, that's just terrible! Thanks for a fantastic report, though, was great to read!

mot29
Jun 3, 07, 9:33 am
purdueflyer
Thanks for the report. I'm flying DCA-DTW-DUS on July 3 in WBC. I had a choice of that or DCA-DTW-AMS-DUS and selected the 757 to check it out.
I'm curious about what the meal will be on a 930 pm flight.
And based on your comment about storage, I've switched from 1C to 2C. I want somewhere to at least put a book or magazine.
tom

Mennix
Jun 4, 07, 8:22 am
Thanks for this report. I'm planning a trip to the US for late July. I think outbond I'll take the 757 nonstop DUS-DTW, however on return I'll take the A 330 via AMS.

For a dayflight the 757 seems to be not too bad. I need some movies and don't want to waste too much time. However on a night flight I prefer to have a real WBC seat.

azj
Jun 6, 07, 7:47 pm
Purdue - don't forget about the "Fly confirmed for less" (30% off and no WP miles) and "Fly confirmed with perks" (20% off and WP miles) benefits that we have. Those are really quite good if you really HAVE to be somewhere.


AZJ

flyboy7974
Jun 8, 07, 4:35 am
Must agree with others, truly enjoyed reading your trip report. Great detail, but simply because it details a whole new world for most and that's the NWA B757 service to Europe which to this point has been a mystery without others being able to share any of their experiences, thanks for taking the time to share it all with us. Waiting for your next trip report..........

Questions:

What was the total flight time flying DTW-FRA just because with it being such a late evening departure, I'm trying to justify the menu that was offered when thinking late departure time vs. well you are in C, a little more might be just a higher product to offer?

Return trip, are you posting any details there?

Had heard that for the BDL-AMS B757 service that NWA is offering, they actually ran into catering problems because of lack of contract in BDL and thus for the overseas flight that NWA was beginning, they were having to bring the catering in from BOS. Have you heard any further on that topic or was it overexagerated and everything worked out in the long run?

Besides those cities listed in your post, what have you heard about any further B757 transatlantic flights on NWA to strengthen ties between the carriers NWA aligns itself with and moreso our eastern seaboard destinations? Such as, competing service with NWA B757 on transatlantic routes like PHL-AMS, BWI-AMS, PIT-AMS, RDU-AMS and all the other eastern cities that could support possible B757 service into the AMS hub that other carriers simply have just overlooked.

hairpeace
Jun 8, 07, 5:08 am
Thank you for this informative report. :)

Caloy
Jun 8, 07, 6:08 am
Interesting trip report, but was disappointed to learn no map, I always watch those things. Agree the meal service was lousy. Will think seriously about switching back to the A330 next time, doesn't sound like the 757 is for me. Thanks for posting the report.

JAFA
Jul 14, 07, 4:03 pm
757 TATL flight from FA's perpective-

I don't normally like TATL flying because the combination of time zone change and late evening departure. I am usually a zombie when I get back home. I decided to try a TATL 757 flight because I have never been to Dusseldorf and also wanted to check out the 757 for myself.

My first impression: The aircraft was spotlessly clean. New seats and carpeting match the A330's. The WBC seats are similar in comfort to the "OLD WBC" and seem wider at the hips than the A330/747 seats. The AVOD players passed out in WBC are perfectly adequate and the holder built into the seat is handy. Each WBC seat also has a power supply for the player and another for the customer. I liked the spacious but private feel of the WBC cabin. I would definately be more at ease working up front on this airplane, unlike the seemingly endless rows of WBC on the 747 and A330. A nice buffer zone of storage cabinets and galley seperate the two cabins so any noise from the MC is minimized.

In the MC the seats are much like any other coach seats, nothing to write home about. AVOD would have been nice but the overhead screens kept everyone entertained. One nice feature was that even with the window shades open the LCD screens could easily be seen in the cabin. The crew rest seats are in the last row. I am 6'2" and was able to sit with resonable comfort in the MC seat, the extra pitch is noticable. I was able to cross my legs even with the seat in front reclined. I am not sure if it was just the last row, but the seat doesn't go that far back when reclined.

Overall, I wouldn't hesitate to work another 757 TATL. In fact I think I may prefer the 757. While the A330 has many more bells and whistles, it also has a lot more people. The meal service definately flows much more quickly than on a widebody. No one complained about it being "inferior" to the A330 and I overheard one of our elite members sitting in MC comment to his seatmate that "this flight went much more quickly than I expected".

mot29
Jul 15, 07, 7:41 am
Thanks, JAFA for your view on this. I flew the 757 to Dusseldorf on July 3 and was quite comfortable up front. I just wondered about how the flight is staffed. It seemed that there was only one FA working the forward cabin, which may be fine for the 16 seats. I flew back through AMS on a 330-300 and it seemed there were only 3 FAs working the forward cabin on that flight. I didn't really notice a difference in service.

A few months ago I flew a CO in business first from Houston to London on a 777. There were probably 5 or 6 folks working the forward cabin. Don't get me wrong in many ways, I find CO's service up front to be overkill and the meal takes forever. And I found the NW meal to be tastier, but maybe that was just my choice of entrees.

mjcewl1284
Jul 15, 07, 9:06 am
Enjoyed reading the report

NWAFA
Jul 15, 07, 7:19 pm
Typically on the EU flights, it's the pilot crew limitations that drive the number of pilots they must carry, and if they must "rest" during a particular leg. I don't think the FA limitations come into play. Maybe if NWAFA or someone else in the FA ranks reading this can clarify that?

Sorry it took so long to respond. I only just saw this thread today.

First of all, I wouldn't second guess what a Purser does on their flight. They may have information that I don't have. Regarding 1A and 1B. The request to move 1A to 1D could very easily come from the Captain. If there were empty seats, the pilot on break may not want to sit next to a chatty seat mate. It's not being rude, that is their time to rest, close their eyes, sleep, etc...

Second, Flight Attendants are not to take breaks up front. That's the pilot rest area. Flight Attendants are to rest in the back. We are never to take a break sitting next to a passenger. If it were to happen, we're supposed to actually change clothes or the very least remove all NW insignia. And NW can over rule crew rest seats by management. So, we might not get a break at all.

I don't know what the pilot rules are. They work under a different set of rules than Flight Attendants.

PresRDC
Jul 20, 07, 2:54 pm
I flew BDL-AMS-BDL on the 757 in WBC this week. I posted a detailed review on the NW board.

Some thoughts based on what I read in this thread.

1. Meal service was not abbreviated like it was on the DTW-FRA that the OP described (we also departed at 5:30 PM). I am not all that familiar with NW's WBC service, but I suspect it was the full service. We had nuts, a salmon canape and marinated feta to start, followed by a salad on which could be added shrimp and yellow pepper strips, a choice of three hot mains and a dessert with cheese, fruit, cookies and ice cream in a chocolate covered waffle cup. Breakfast was a continental breakfast.

2. I hate the seats. They are too shallow, which makes them uncomfortable. There is no reason why they could not have been made deeper (would not need to change seat pitch). On the positive side, the second powerport takes standard U.S.-style plugs, so no need for EmPower. The seat pitch was also fine.

3. There is no lounge in BDL, but, if you ask, WBC pax will get a voucher for two drinks at the bar next to the gate.

4. Customs clearance in BDL is quick if you are up front, but would take a long time in the back. Wait for bags looked to be mininal (I only had carry-on) as the plane was being pushed aweay from the international arrivals building by the time I was getting into my taxi (15 minutes after landing).

M11Stephen
Jul 20, 07, 9:46 pm
Great report! Excuse my ignorance but how did the Cusomer service person know who you were on this sight. Also, why are F/as not allowed to sit with passengers and if they have to why do they have to remove NW logos? Thanks



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