Newsstand - Ryanair to go Trans-Atlantic

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http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/04/11/213208/ryanair-boss-michael-oleary-plans-launch-of-transatlantic-no-frills-airline-with-fleet-of-50.html


Ryanair executives are currently developing a sister airline that would make low-cost transatlantic flights with a fleet of 30 to 50 long-haul aircraft.

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The thought of sitting in a Ryanair type of flight for 6 hours plus is scary to me. No thanks, I stick with AA (at least the seats recline).

Thanks for the info,
With "the cheapest fare €10 ($12)", O'Leary expects the services, to secondary airports such as Baltimore, Providence in Rhode Island and New York Long Island Islip Macarthur "to be full". He expects sales of food, drink, duty-free goods and in-flight entertainment to be a major revenue earner.

I like the following idea other than I also like all in one location. . . . . I wonder what other destinations are on the table.

Oh sure, I mean they're bad enough short-haul. However I'm just wondering how much revenue they will generate from the extras? They sure as hell won't be making money on the ticket prices. Maybe a Ryanair TATL will break down like this

DUB-ISP
Base fare return $35
Taxes fees etc $60
Checked baggage $10 per sector = $20
Priority seating (not available now but will probably be implemented) $15 per sector =$30
IFE Rental system $5 per sector = $10
IFE per movie $5 x 2 per sector (average) =$20
Main Meal $15 per sector = $30
Two alcoholic drinks $5 each per sector =$20
One Coca-Cola $3 per sector= $6
Pre-Landing meal/breakfast per sector $8= $16

Total cost of flight $247, thats a whopping $152 from the extras alone, and that is only a flight to ISP. If they flew to the Bay Area, double all the food/beverage and IFE extras!

Not bad, but my figures maybe are way off. One thing I forgot to factor in, cost of getting from ISP to downtown NY by taxi $75 + tip!

I will never fly Ryanair since I expect these "extras" to be included in the cost of my ticket. Depending on how much they charge for extras, it could end up costing more to fly them versus another carrier.

One thing I forgot to factor in, cost of getting from ISP to downtown NY by taxi $75 + tip!

Who takes a taxi from ISP to Manhattan?
I would think RyanAir would begin a coach service to Manhattan or offer their own shuttle service to the Ronkonkoma train station.
I'd pay $100-$150 each way for a trans-atlantic flight happily...even if on an airline similar to Ryanair.

it'll be heaven for broke college students

Who takes a taxi from ISP to Manhattan?

The articles quotes O' Leary as saying that they will offer a premium product as well on board, those flying it may want to avail of a taxi?

AFAIK most coach services out of ISP charge about $30 one way to New York, the train though is a lot cheaper but involves a shuttle/transit connection.

I don't know how we got on to ISP however if I were a low fares airline ISP as a NY destination would make a lot of sense.

Sucks for those that have lowest fare corporate travel policies. :-/

TATL to ISP? The last time I checked, they don't even fly non-stop transcon from ISP. I'm sure that if they could than current airlines flying in and out of that airport (Southwest, NW, Delta and Continental) would have applied for such service years ago. I wonder if the runways are even long enough to handle a fully loaded 787s or A350. ISP has always been, at best, more of a regional airport for those wishing to travel to points in Eastern Nassau and all of Suffolk County. But if you wish to sit on a bus or in some van service on the Long Island Expressway during rush hour headed towards Manhattan or drag your luggage on the LIRR with limited (read little or none) space for your luggage, be my guest. If it can be done inexpensively, rest assured that I'll join the throng headed across the pond - and I live less than 20 minutes away from JFK

I will never fly Ryanair since I expect these "extras" to be included in the cost of my ticket. Depending on how much they charge for extras, it could end up costing more to fly them versus another carrier.

But what if it doesn't end up costing more? Doesn't it make sense to cost it out rather than just swearing them off? I can't recall whether I've flown Ryanair, but I've flown several low cost carriers and the ticket/surcharge/on-board expense combo is rarely an issue. Getting to the out of the way airports, as mentioned, tends to be the larger concern.

But what if it doesn't end up costing more? Doesn't it make sense to cost it out rather than just swearing them off? I can't recall whether I've flown Ryanair, but I've flown several low cost carriers and the ticket/surcharge/on-board expense combo is rarely an issue. Getting to the out of the way airports, as mentioned, tends to be the larger concern.

You haven't been on ryan air then. :D I remember that they have been in the papers for not showing all and possibly inflating their extra fees and taxes

From the article:

Today's Daily Telegraph said Ryanair has been accused of systematically inflating charges added to ticket prices for flights from airports including Dublin, Treviso, Charleroi, Rome, Pisa and Alghero. It said the practice may breach EU law.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2006/07/10/afx2867554.html

Even with all the extra fees, Ryanair is often the cheapest option. Look at London to Aarhus, for example, with tickets purchased months in advance.

If it weren't for this liquid ban issue, I would probably fly Ryanair with almost zero extra costs. IFE is no big deal to me - I would prefer to read books or magazines. I doubt Ryanair would be much, if any, worse than Air Transat. They seemed comparable to me when I've flown them.

I'd gouge my eyes out before I'd take a FR long-haul flight. Heck, probably even before I'd hop on FR again for another short hop wholly within Europe. Made the mistake once before; never again. FR is dreadful at any price.

I love it!!! I've flown Ryan Air many, many times in Europe and I have absolutely zero problems w/ the issues that everyone is complaining about here.

Sure the 29" seat pitch sucks for someone over 6' tall like me, but on Trans-Atlantic flights I do lots of walking around anyway (and I'm sure they'll have a different seating configuration than they do for their intra-EU flights).

Also, I couldn't care less about IFE whatsoever. Even on aircraft that has TV's on the seat back in front of me I rarely use it. I use long flights as a chance to catch up on the many unread books that are sitting around my place or to listen to music on my MP3 player.

Believe me, ALL of these flights will be sell-outs. Most pax want the cheapest price ~ period.

TATL to ISP? The last time I checked, they don't even fly non-stop transcon from ISP. I'm sure that if they could than current airlines flying in and out of that airport (Southwest, NW, Delta and Continental) would have applied for such service years ago. I wonder if the runways are even long enough to handle a fully loaded 787s or A350. ISP has always been, at best, more of a regional airport for those wishing to travel to points in Eastern Nassau and all of Suffolk County. But if you wish to sit on a bus or in some van service on the Long Island Expressway during rush hour headed towards Manhattan or drag your luggage on the LIRR with limited (read little or none) space for your luggage, be my guest. If it can be done inexpensively, rest assured that I'll join the throng headed across the pond - and I live less than 20 minutes away from JFK
NW is due to start BDL-AMS soon if it alreadty hasn't started it.

NW is due to start BDL-AMS soon if it alreadty hasn't started it.

FYI, NW is already taking reservations for R/T BDL-AMS. Oh....the outbound flights are BDL-DTW-AMS and the return flights are via either DTW or EWR at around $1200+.:td: :td:

I for one would love to see a daily BWI-STN flight.

I wonder if the Ryanair execs are looking at this story (http://www.flyertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7593667) with interest? ;)

Im sure that there is a market for Ryan Air othewise they wouldnt be doing it. But Im not sure I or any of my employees would want to get nickle and dimed to death on a transatlantic flight.

The will fill the airplanes, and that is a great thing.

It will only free up more room in Y on the mainline carriers and force them to continue to differentiate themselves.

This can only help the frequent travelers. ^

Believe me, ALL of these flights will be sell-outs. Most pax want the cheapest price ~ period.

Yes, they will be. Or at least I can assume they'll be, but you won't catch a lot of FTers on those any time soon. But they'll still be full. There's a lot of people out here who will take it simply because the cheapest flight is always the best option, right? These are the people who are still telling me about this news with "I bet you're happy to hear about that, so?" and then being surprised when I say no, and have to explain that cost isn't always the only factor to consider on a flight. For a lot of their customer base it's still completely foreign territory to imagine paying more just to fly on airline X instead of airline Y, and I bet there's enough of those people out there to make a go of it.

Not to say I'm not looking forward to it. It might mean a couple really crazy deals for a weekend trip on a full-service airline. Or it might make no difference whatsoever to a lot of FT patterns. It won't make a lot of difference to mine.

O'Leary vs US rules should be an interesting Deathmatch - I do hope that Bangor is going to be a Ryanair airport

I wonder if Providence or Islip are "international" airports that can handle 400 pax aircraft going through customs/immigration?
Also, i wonder if these birds will have try tables again as they going to offer meals for purchase. And i guess the Ryanair pay scale violates the US minimum wage laws!

I for one will try it once, european travel is great, basic but great. On the whole no delays, luggage always arrives and staff are friendly. Lets see what happens.

I for one would love to see a daily BWI-STN flight.

yeah if they are really going to fly to BWI they could make a killing - tons of demand for cheap flights in DC

I for one will try it once, european travel is great, basic but great. On the whole no delays, luggage always arrives and staff are friendly. Lets see what happens.

LOL - check out http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/ryan.htm to get a feel of what other people flying this joke of an airline experience in Europe - agree though with one of the other comments - this will make "normal" planes emptier and thus gives more opportunities for special fares - however this might also easily lead to a downward spiral in service as it has on intra-European flights where so-called "full service" airlines do not put it beyond them to cut service to non-existent levels (LX, IB as good, or rather bad, examples):td:

FYI, NW is already taking reservations for R/T BDL-AMS. Oh....the outbound flights are BDL-DTW-AMS and the return flights are via either DTW or EWR at around $1200+.:td: :td:

Was it last year when NWA tried Rockford, IL. to Paris route? They got tons of money from the Rockford airport people to start this routing (something similar to what you describe, through Detroit) and that lasted ohh, few weeks, maybe few months at best. :rolleyes:

Many flights cancelled due to lack of passengers. The few that were booked on these cancelled flights were screwed and most were once a year leisure passengers that saved their pennies and really were looking forward to a week or 2 Paris/European vacation. At that point they had to either wait until the next day or drive to ORD, missing 1 of the very few vacation days they had.

It wasn't pretty..........

It wasn't NW on the BDL-CDG route. NW did get a nice subsidy to start the BDL-AMS route, though...

It wasn't NW on the BDL-CDG route. NW did get a nice subsidy to start the BDL-AMS route, though...

I didn't say BDL-CDG, I said RFD-CDG....;)

Believe me, ALL of these flights will be sell-outs. Most pax want the cheapest price ~ period.

I agree... many people fly because it's cheap... this will be an incentive for them. For alot of FTer's, they want the benefits of a FFP - mileage award redemption, upgrades, status... why else would we all be talking about MR's and status... so naturally the demographics on this forum is skewed.

Too bad SkyEurope or SmartWings can't do a TATL to ONT... wow, pivo anytime!

Dobrou noc!