CX has confirmed and uploaded information onto their website and other airlines' CRS booking engines. The newly configured aircraft will show up as "74A" on CRS' using direct access only.
Right now, it looks as though these flights will get the 74A aircraft through to Oct 2007. CX has not loaded which flights will get the reconfigured aircraft beyond that date yet.
From 1st APRIL:
HKG-FRA . CX 289. Only on SUN, TUE and FRI. only till 8th MAY.
HKG-NRT. Only on Selected days CX 504 nonstop, or CX 450 via TPE.
HKG-DPS-HKG. CX 785 & CX 784. Only on 1st APR. Sold as 2-class.
From 11th MAY:
HKG-LHR CX 255. LHR-HKG on CX 252. Looks to be daily with some exceptions.
From 1st JUNE, CX 251 joins in on TUE only. None on WED. Seems to be 'staggered' from JUL onwards.
But from the previous 1st and J upgrade in 2000, please check your flights directly with CX res before you travel. And if aircrafts have been replaced last minute, please do not put up a fuss and demand 'compensation' ! As with any aircraft reconfigurations, last minute problems may arise beyond CX's control!
All single seats on each side of aircraft (Upper Deck). Starts at ROW 80 through 92. There's no ROW 85. Maybe because if you read 85 backwards it means "58" - Mm Fatt in Cantonese. :(
The coveted Emergency Exit seats are now ROW 88. Hmm it makes sense why CX would have wanted to make this the 'coveted auspicious' row then.
;)
But please note that Row 88 does not mean more legroom now - as you will be facing 'sideways' but facing forward now. Seats also do not face each other across the aisle. Unless you lean outwards.
Can anyone tell me if CX255 on the 9th Aug will definetely have the new J-Class seats?
Thanks in advance,
773ER :)
Dave Marsh
Mar 14, 07, 5:35 pm
Can anyone tell me if CX255 on the 9th Aug will definetely have the new J-Class seats?
Thanks in advance,
773ER :)
Nothing can be 100% guaranteed unless the refit is 100% completed!
At the moment, it does have the new config loaded in the system. But don't get ur hopes up!
AA2MM
Mar 14, 07, 6:38 pm
(Upper Deck)
All single seats. Starts at ROW 80 through 92. There's no ROW 85.
The coveted Emergency Exit seats are now ROW 88. Hmm it makes sense why CX would have wanted to make this the 'coveted auspicious' row then.
Hi GB : Thanks. Could you re-copy and paste again the seat map for the upper deck ? From what you wrote, there are only 12 seats ! :confused:
PresRDC
Mar 14, 07, 8:21 pm
Any ideas what days of the week CX 504 will get the new configuration?
Moomba
Mar 14, 07, 8:36 pm
(Upper Deck)
All single seats. Starts at ROW 80 through 92. There's no ROW 85.
The coveted Emergency Exit seats are now ROW 88. Hmm it makes sense why CX would have wanted to make this the 'coveted auspicious' row then.
Hi GB : Thanks. Could you re-copy and paste again the seat map for the upper deck ? From what you wrote, there are only 12 seats ! :confused:
EF seat map shows two rows of 11 seats each. A side numbered from 81 through 92 and K side numbered 80 through 91.
Why are the exit rows coveted and blocked still? Don't all these new seats have aisle access and therefore are all equally good?
sxc
Mar 14, 07, 9:13 pm
Why are the exit rows coveted and blocked still? Don't all these new seats have aisle access and therefore are all equally good?
If anything the exit rows would be less desirable, as they may be more open hence less privacy.
Swiss Tony
Mar 15, 07, 1:33 am
This is interesting. CX251 is clearly considered a better flight as a number of discounted J fares ex-UK don't allow travel on it.
However, they're putting the new plane on CX255 first :confused:
Perhaps they want to sell the extra seats in F.....
Guy Betsy
Mar 15, 07, 3:16 am
Any ideas what days of the week CX 504 will get the new configuration?
It is so messy now, that it would be better if you tell me roughly when you'd be travelling and we'd check for you.
Currently from 1st APR till mid MAY, it's TUE. Then mid MAY onwards, it switches to WED, FRI, SAT & SUN. (Maybe).
The odd CX450 pops up as FRI in APR, and then disappears entirely for MAY.
Tuen
Mar 15, 07, 3:31 am
Anyone have the flight schedule of 74A (B-HKT)?
Thanks ^
christep
Mar 15, 07, 3:36 am
Anyone have the flight schedule of 74A (B-HKT)?Is that not exactly what the first post in this thread tells you?
chewy3
Mar 15, 07, 4:49 am
Do you think it's wise to change AONE4 dates slightly to get what is currently scheduled to be 74A in Aug or will these routes probably be changed?
Guy Betsy
Mar 15, 07, 5:07 am
Do you think it's wise to change AONE4 dates slightly to get what is currently scheduled to be 74A in Aug or will these routes probably be changed?
You'd have to decide this yourself....
Read my post above: "And if aircrafts have been replaced last minute, please do not put up a fuss and demand 'compensation' ! As with any aircraft reconfigurations, last minute problems may arise beyond CX's control!"
JRK
Mar 15, 07, 5:35 am
I am confirmed for above in J (seat 81C).
According to GB's post, I would have thought that I am lucky enough to be on the new config (74A). However, my travel agent insists that is an ordinary 747.
Would one of you guy's with access to CX booking engine be kind enough to clarify for me?
Thanks a million!
JRK
Guy Betsy
Mar 15, 07, 5:45 am
I am confirmed for above in J (seat 81C).
According to GB's post, I would have thought that I am lucky enough to be on the new config (74A). However, my travel agent insists that is an ordinary 747.
Would one of you guy's with access to CX booking engine be kind enough to clarify for me?
Thanks a million!
JRK
The last FRA on the 74A for MAY is 8th MAY.
I guess that's when CX is priming it for the LHR run on 11th MAY.
JRK
Mar 15, 07, 5:49 am
Thanks for checking!
PresRDC
Mar 15, 07, 6:29 am
It is so messy now, that it would be better if you tell me roughly when you'd be travelling and we'd check for you.
Currently from 1st APR till mid MAY, it's TUE. Then mid MAY onwards, it switches to WED, FRI, SAT & SUN. (Maybe).
The odd CX450 pops up as FRI in APR, and then disappears entirely for MAY.
Thanks GB. I'll be traveling on July 8.
Guy Betsy
Mar 15, 07, 6:49 am
Thanks GB. I'll be traveling on July 8.
Currently the schedule shows CX 504 HKG-NRT as the 74A, on 8th JULY 2007 !
anna_24
Mar 15, 07, 7:20 am
I am on CX 256 on the 17th June - so no luck on that one, but looks as if I have a good chance on the CX 255 on 10th July.
No chance on other legs as its the auckland leg!
anna_24
Mar 15, 07, 7:24 am
To add, just checked my flight itinery, and seat reservations, and they have disappeared for cx 255. gone to select seat, and have the new layout! Now, must decide which seat I want on the upper deck, the only 2 currently unvailable are the emergency exits.
flyer121
Mar 15, 07, 9:05 am
Do the Think my nonstop airbus flight from JFK-HKG in January 08 will have the new J seats?
B-HQC
Mar 15, 07, 9:16 am
Do the Think my nonstop airbus flight from JFK-HKG in January 08 will have the new J seats?
Do I think so? Yes
Am I sure? No
Dave Marsh
Mar 15, 07, 9:23 am
Do I think so? Yes
Am I sure? No
If it is still Airbus then NO because it will be the A346.
If it is op as 77W then yes!
Carfield
Mar 15, 07, 10:03 am
Thanks Guy Betsy for the detailed information!
I think we should all know that things can be changing all the time, so keep your hopes at bay. There is always last minute a/c sub for all kinds of reasons. Especially with only one a/c in rotation, we need to be realistic. I assume things will be better once the 77W enters the fleet in September 07 (assuming no more delays) and more 74As are in rotations.
But good to know that F is not the rumored 9 seats only... Now I hope 77W will have more than 6F... but not getting my hopes high though.
Carfield
AA2MM
Mar 15, 07, 10:06 am
[QUOTE
But please note that Row 88 does not mean more legroom now - as you will be facing 'sideways' and backwards now. Seats also do not face each other across the aisle.[/QUOTE]
Thanks GB for reposting the seat maps in J. ^
Question : are you sure about the backward facing seats on the upper deck ? or the seats on the main deck are facing front ? or all of them backward facing ?
Guess when travelling in pair, to be together, one has no choice but sitting on the main deck then...:td:
Kindof a bummer, because I am trying to do 2 F award res and got only J.
From the way this looks, 86AC or 86HK are still my option since I am doing LAX HKG.
tfung
Mar 15, 07, 10:41 am
I think the bulkhead seats and last row seats will be the most desirable now in J class... at least I thought those seats were the best on VS planes with the herringbone seats.. those seats had some space to put stuff on top as the space where the next seat is supposed to go is unused (as the seat is up against a flat wall at an angle)...
PresRDC
Mar 15, 07, 11:26 am
Currently the schedule shows CX 504 HKG-NRT as the 74A, on 8th JULY 2007 !
Sweet!
I certainly fully expect it to change between now and then, but it would be nice.
Dave Marsh
Mar 15, 07, 11:37 am
I think the bulkhead seats and last row seats will be the most desirable now in J class... at least I thought those seats were the best on VS planes with the herringbone seats.. those seats had some space to put stuff on top as the space where the next seat is supposed to go is unused (as the seat is up against a flat wall at an angle)...
Don't they normally have a cupboard or locker there?
I really want to know how row 88 is decked out as CX is the first airline in the world to install these seats on the 744 UD ER
Carfield
Mar 15, 07, 3:51 pm
No NZ has also installed a similar lie flat J seats in herringbone style on its upper deck of its Boeing 747-400s.
NZ has the first half of upper deck in J, and the last half in its Premium Economy cabin...
But CX is the first one to intall the herringbone sleeper business class on the whole upper deck though.
Carfield
christep
Mar 15, 07, 5:17 pm
But good to know that F is not the rumored 9 seats only.I'm confused. Is that not exactly what GB's information DOES say?
Dave Marsh
Mar 15, 07, 7:04 pm
No NZ has also installed a similar lie flat J seats in herringbone style on its upper deck of its Boeing 747-400s.
NZ has the first half of upper deck in J, and the last half in its Premium Economy cabin...
But CX is the first one to intall the herringbone sleeper business class on the whole upper deck though.
Carfield
hahahahahah U didn't read my message correctly.
I said 744 UD (upper Deck) ER (Emergency Row)
There are only 9 F Class seats in the new layout on the 744
elitetraveler
Mar 15, 07, 9:07 pm
GB - thanks for the seat map ^
In terms of New F, am I correct:
- A346/A330s will convert to 2-class with Herring Bone J and NO F
- Long Range 77Ws with New F, Herring Bone J
- How many F seats on the 77W and configuration?
MACH81
Mar 15, 07, 10:08 pm
GB - thanks for the seat map ^
In terms of New F, am I correct:
- A346/A330s will convert to 2-class with Herring Bone J and NO F
- Long Range 77Ws with New F, Herring Bone J
- How many F seats on the 77W and configuration?
77W will only have 6 seats.
elitetraveler
Mar 15, 07, 10:13 pm
77W will only have 6 seats.
Thanks
Two rows of 1x1x1 ?
MACH81
Mar 15, 07, 10:44 pm
Thanks
Two rows of 1x1x1 ?
Don't know, I don't think GB said anything about the configuration. Your option sounds right to me.
Guy Betsy
Mar 15, 07, 10:51 pm
..
In terms of New F, am I correct:
- A346/A330s will convert to 2-class with Herring Bone J and NO F
...
A346 will be returned to ILFC when lease expires in 2008. - At least 1 of them will go anyway. Don't know about the other 2 , and if CX will keep them around a couple more years.
A333s and A343s will be last to be reconfigured. Full reconfiguration expected to go beyond APRIL 2009 !
Remember that the economy class seats have to be reconfigured as well. Note that the first 744s do not have the new economy class seats yet whereas when the 77W arrives, they will have them.
sxc
Mar 15, 07, 11:18 pm
A346 will be returned to ILFC when lease expires in 2008.
Do we know that's a definite? Given their reputation I wouldn't be surprised if CX is given an offer too good to refuse to keep them.
Guy Betsy
Mar 16, 07, 2:20 am
Thanks GB for reposting the seat maps in J. ^
Question : are you sure about the backward facing seats on the upper deck ? or the seats on the main deck are facing front ? or all of them backward facing ?
Guess when travelling in pair, to be together, one has no choice but sitting on the main deck then...:td:
Kindof a bummer, because I am trying to do 2 F award res and got only J.
From the way this looks, 86AC or 86HK are still my option since I am doing LAX HKG.
Actually - the seats do face forward but at an angle.
See my 1st post for corrected information.
skunker
Mar 16, 07, 9:23 am
GB,
I'm currently scheduled to do CX504 on April 20th, I assume thats a regular config, right? Is there any flight a day or two before the 20th scheduled for the new config? I'm willing to change for a shot at the new seats. Thanks!!
Guy Betsy
Mar 16, 07, 9:42 am
GB,
I'm currently scheduled to do CX504 on April 20th, I assume thats a regular config, right? Is there any flight a day or two before the 20th scheduled for the new config? I'm willing to change for a shot at the new seats. Thanks!!
CX 450 on the 20th APR is the 74A. It departs HKG at 1000 via TPE, arriving NRT at 1715.
Otherwise it will be the TUE before or after the 20th for CX 504.
Moomba
Mar 16, 07, 10:59 am
If I read the first post correctly I would not have needed to post - ooops :o
skunker
Mar 16, 07, 8:09 pm
CX 450 on the 20th APR is the 74A. It departs HKG at 1000 via TPE, arriving NRT at 1715.
Otherwise it will be the TUE before or after the 20th for CX 504.
I actually go TPE-HKG-NRT-LAX so I wouldn't be able to catch the 16:00 AA NRT-LAX flight. Maybe I'll work on changing my schedule around. Thanks.
Guy Betsy
Mar 16, 07, 10:23 pm
I actually go TPE-HKG-NRT-LAX so I wouldn't be able to catch the 16:00 AA NRT-LAX flight. Maybe I'll work on changing my schedule around. Thanks.
Please note that as there is currently only ONE aircraft reconfigured to this new seating, anything can happen between now and then. ie aircraft schedule change.
BTW - if you reread my original post, you will see additions when I have it... and even so, it's not accurate! CX now is operating the aircraft to DPS on 1st APR only!
skunker
Mar 17, 07, 1:38 am
Please note that as there is currently only ONE aircraft reconfigured to this new seating, anything can happen between now and then. ie aircraft schedule change.
No problem, it might be worth the gamble though. Its not like I'm buying a ticket just to try the new seats. Its already purchased and changing is free.
hairpeace
Mar 19, 07, 6:47 am
Any word as to when CX261 will see the new seats?
PaulSEA1
Mar 19, 07, 6:58 am
If I read GB's chart correctly, it looks like CX is losing a lot of capacity in the new configuration. I see 3 F seats gone and 4 J seats on the upper deck alone. Do I see wrong? I'm excited about the new product but it's often hard to buy CX J at the last minute. It's going to get tougher!
daniellam
Mar 19, 07, 9:58 pm
If I read GB's chart correctly, it looks like CX is losing a lot of capacity in the new configuration. I see 3 F seats gone
Those 3 F seats (3D,G, 4D [or is it G]) that are disappearing have been empty on most of theCX F flights I have taken.
jiml1126
Mar 28, 07, 12:05 pm
CX451 seems to be on regular daily run on the TPE-HKG from late May for the 74A
IncyWincy
Mar 28, 07, 1:19 pm
Those 3 F seats (3D,G, 4D [or is it G]) that are disappearing have been empty on most of theCX F flights I have taken.
Would it mean more difficulty in getting First or Business Class award/upgrade seats using miles (not talking about OP)?
* The Schedule is subject to change without prior notice.
Also, looks like the 74A has been taken out of LHR rotation in May.. for now.. first 74A to LHR is on June 1st now.
hairpeace
Apr 5, 07, 5:01 am
Also, looks like the 74A has been taken out of LHR rotation in May.. for now.. first 74A to LHR is on June 1st now.
Looks like I need to pay Frankfurt a visit in the near future!
Thanks, tfung. :)
hairpeace
Apr 6, 07, 8:23 pm
New query:
I assume that the HKG-DPS flights are sold as 2-class, so I'm wondering if there's any way my flight companion (a Silver member) can be guaranteed a seat in the F cabin?
* The Schedule is subject to change without prior notice.
Also, looks like the 74A has been taken out of LHR rotation in May.. for now.. first 74A to LHR is on June 1st now.
Is this still the latest and greatest?
number_6
Apr 12, 07, 7:14 pm
New query:
I assume that the HKG-DPS flights are sold as 2-class, so I'm wondering if there's any way my flight companion (a Silver member) can be guaranteed a seat in the F cabin?
Thanks! :)A good test of the value of MPC Invitation status! It is an unofficial Diamond benefit, and the flights that I have been on they keep the other F seats empty, so Silver has zero chance to be seated in the F cabin. And the service is F level (but with J food/wine).
cxfan1960
Apr 13, 07, 12:01 am
A good test of the value of MPC Invitation status! It is an unofficial Diamond benefit, and the flights that I have been on they keep the other F seats empty, so Silver has zero chance to be seated in the F cabin. And the service is F level (but with J food/wine).
I never took a 3-class flight sold as 2-class. Is that always the case that a DM (and only the DM, but not his/her companion) will be put in the F cabin? Thanks for your information.
* The Schedule is subject to change without prior notice.
Also, looks like the 74A has been taken out of LHR rotation in May.. for now.. first 74A to LHR is on June 1st now.
tfung
Apr 13, 07, 12:25 am
A good test of the value of MPC Invitation status! It is an unofficial Diamond benefit, and the flights that I have been on they keep the other F seats empty, so Silver has zero chance to be seated in the F cabin. And the service is F level (but with J food/wine).
Actually last time I took this flight with my gf (she is only AM member with CX), both tickets were redeemed with AA miles in J, and both of us got put in the F cabin. I did call up CX a few weeks before the flight and tell them to put my MPC number into the reservation... was assigned 1A and 1K upon check-in at the airport.. :p
so I don't think its fair to say that SL member has 0 chance...
hairpeace
Apr 14, 07, 6:08 am
I don't think its fair to say that SL member has 0 chance...
Especially if their travelling companion is an IN? :eek: :p
sdorling
Apr 15, 07, 4:09 am
As I understand it the 747 fleet is going to be equipped with the new Y, J and F products as will the 77Ws when they are delivered and that the 346s are going back to the leasing company shortly.
Additionally, IIRC it was mentioned on here that the 343 and 333 aircraft won't be recieving a re-fit at all?
Is that due to CX upgrading its fleet? Or simply having a premium J & F product for its more lucrative/competitive routes?
How many 77Ws has CX ordered and what other (if any) aircraft has it ordered for future delivery?
Guy Betsy
Apr 16, 07, 2:12 am
As I understand it the 747 fleet is going to be equipped with the new Y, J and F products as will the 77Ws when they are delivered and that the 346s are going back to the leasing company shortly.
Additionally, IIRC it was mentioned on here that the 343 and 333 aircraft won't be recieving a re-fit at all?
Is that due to CX upgrading its fleet? Or simply having a premium J & F product for its more lucrative/competitive routes?
How many 77Ws has CX ordered and what other (if any) aircraft has it ordered for future delivery?
CX is reinstalling Y on its 2nd 747-400 later in the summer. The first 74A aircraft will not get the Y seats for now.
The 77W aircrafts are to complement the fleet, not necessarily replacing aircrafts. But the entire retrofit is due to complete by summer 2009. Current plans are to not include the airbus fleets. But that may change later.
janes addiction
Apr 16, 07, 3:20 am
As I understand it the 747 fleet is going to be equipped with the new Y, J and F products as will the 77Ws when they are delivered and that the 346s are going back to the leasing company shortly.
Additionally, IIRC it was mentioned on here that the 343 and 333 aircraft won't be recieving a re-fit at all?
Is that due to CX upgrading its fleet? Or simply having a premium J & F product for its more lucrative/competitive routes?
How many 77Ws has CX ordered and what other (if any) aircraft has it ordered for future delivery?
That means 4 different business class seats? Awesome...
Off topic, I am close to switching my business to SQ for HKG to SIN flights. I understand that SQ either flies the new J seat, or the Sky Bed, between HK and SIN, whereas CX either flies the old old biz class seat or the wretched NRBC seat. Only the 6.30pm flight from SIN to HKG has the long haul business class seat (and a First class section). Recently I have been buying mixed fare Y / J tickets, since I cannot justify paying J fare for the crappy NRBC on the way down. Since I have requalified for DM with about six months to go, I may as well fly SQ J.
christep
Apr 16, 07, 3:25 am
For me the biggest issue on longer regional flights in J is not so much the seat (I actually find the ORBC more comfortable as a seat than long-haul business) but the lack of AVOD. I really hope that CX is going to start fitting that in the regional aircraft soon - the more recent deliveries have, apparently, had the capability installed, but it is disabled.
janes addiction
Apr 16, 07, 3:31 am
For me the biggest issue on longer regional flights in J is not so much the seat (I actually find the ORBC more comfortable as a seat than long-haul business) but the lack of AVOD. I really hope that CX is going to start fitting that in the regional aircraft soon - the more recent deliveries have, apparently, had the capability installed, but it is disabled.
Agree re AVOD. Flights are usually the one time I allow myself to decompress from a very hectic job. I try very hard not to work on flights, preferrring to get in sleep / reading / or a movie.
I like long haul better than ORBC even as a seat, though not a big issue for 3.5 hours to SIN as ORBC is pretty comfy if you don't need to sleep for a few hours. NRBC is, however, an abomination.
sxc
Apr 16, 07, 3:46 am
Off topic, I am close to switching my business to SQ for HKG to SIN flights. I understand that SQ either flies the new J seat, or the Sky Bed, between HK and SIN, whereas CX either flies the old old biz class seat or the wretched NRBC seat.
You may want to check that. I have been on SQ SIN-HKG flights, albeit a while ago, where the J class was not their long haul product.
B-HQC
Apr 16, 07, 5:20 am
Just to clear the matter up, SQ has the l.h. product on exactly half of their flights. (2x744 & 1x77W)
janes addiction
Apr 16, 07, 5:39 am
Thanks for the clarification.
Still better than CX on the same route.
PMMMColonel
Apr 16, 07, 7:34 am
Any news on when they will offer this from LAX? I did not see them in April or May. For that matter no US flight at all.
B-HQC
Apr 16, 07, 8:56 am
Any news on when they will offer this from LAX? I did not see them in April or May. For that matter no US flight at all.
When the 77Ws come onboard... it should be around year-end when this starts happening.
DKNYSprt95
Apr 16, 07, 9:56 am
Oh please god let that happen :D
CX equipment in and out of LAX is antiquated compared to its competitors out of the same airport. :p
ijgordon
Apr 16, 07, 8:40 pm
The 77W aircrafts are to complement the fleet, not necessarily replacing aircrafts. But the entire retrofit is due to complete by summer 2009. Current plans are to not include the airbus fleets. But that may change later.Hmm...then what should one expect on the JFK-HKG non-stop? Will this be operated with the 77W with the flat beds, and when might this happen?
FF considerations currently driving most of my business on this route to Continental (pros and cons of the current actual product balance out IMHO), but a full flat bed on CX would likely tip things the other way.
sxc
Apr 16, 07, 8:56 pm
Hmm...then what should one expect on the JFK-HKG non-stop? Will this be operated with the 77W with the flat beds, and when might this happen?
FF considerations currently driving most of my business on this route to Continental (pros and cons of the current actual product balance out IMHO), but a full flat bed on CX would likely tip things the other way.
If you are talking about moving business around, then talk to your CX account manager. They are more likely to have an answer you want, rather than the enthusiasts on this board.
ijgordon
Apr 17, 07, 6:47 pm
If you are talking about moving business around, then talk to your CX account manager. They are more likely to have an answer you want, rather than the enthusiasts on this board.Hmmm...I dunno about that. They're more likely to make promises that they may not be able to keep. I come here for real answers. Remember, this is NOT a.net. ;)
But seriously, my company has corporate deals with both CO and CX, it's just been my personal choice to pick CO, primarily since it's easier to get top-tier CO status vs. AA, and because CO/SkyTeam has a much better route network from NYC than AA/OneWorld.
Dave Marsh
Apr 18, 07, 8:59 am
Hmmm...I dunno about that. They're more likely to make promises that they may not be able to keep. I come here for real answers. Remember, this is NOT a.net. ;)
But seriously, my company has corporate deals with both CO and CX, it's just been my personal choice to pick CO, primarily since it's easier to get top-tier CO status vs. AA, and because CO/SkyTeam has a much better route network from NYC than AA/OneWorld.
The Business FIrst product on CO is pretty ordinary? The seat I heard is not even lie flat.
ijgordon
Apr 18, 07, 8:28 pm
The Business FIrst product on CO is pretty ordinary? The seat I heard is not even lie flat.
It's just about as flat as the current J seat on CX. There are a few less inches of pitch, but CO doesn't have the hard back shell, so you get about the same personal space. CO seat is wider, and it's also more adjustable with a better "cradle" position for relaxing. AVOD on CX, not on CO (yet - coming soon). But I have my laptop, so it doesn't really matter. Catering on CO is meaningfully better than CX J, IMHO (I really despise the heat-n-serve casseroles that pass for main courses on CX). FA's aren't typically as attentive on CO, but I still get everything I ask for on CO and I really don't need the a55-kissing from the CX FAs, though it is nice. ;)
Basically everything balances out in terms of product and service, IMHO.
QF009
Apr 19, 07, 12:16 am
As current plans do not include refitting the airbuses, does that mean that LHR will end up with 2 different J products since this route is operated with a mix of 343s, 346s and 744s?
Or would CX turn LHR into a full 'new J' route operated by a mix of 744s and the new 77Ws since LHR is a premium and highly competitive route?
Am not due to fly till early next year but I am currently booked on the 0920 departure for HKG-LHR and it's now showing '34C' on EF. I could change to any other flight as im on a DONE4 but I like the timing of the 0920 flight. Not that I need a completely flat seat for a day flight I suppose but it'd still be nice to sample it.
sxc
Apr 19, 07, 2:17 am
As current plans do not include refitting the airbuses,
I don't think anyone has confirmed this. It just may take some time before they get around to refitting all planes.
Dave Marsh
Apr 19, 07, 7:47 am
I think potentially 255 and 251 might even have a surcharge (a la SQ style) for the new products. Luckily on my LHR-HKG ticket no such restriction exists so I can hopefully take the new J Class seats back to HKG!
tfung
Apr 19, 07, 11:48 am
yep.. changed once more.... I am thinking it would make more sense that it will be pushed back to May. Just seems easier to only load the May IFE, rather than do it twice within a few days for April and May.. also gives them a bit more time for training and last minute troubleshooting...
* The Schedule is subject to change without prior notice.
oh yeah, and the 2nd plane to undergo conversion to 74A will be B-HOT.
B-HQC
Apr 21, 07, 9:39 am
I don't think anyone has confirmed this. It just may take some time before they get around to refitting all planes.
If you remember many years ago when CX was introducing the current F product (before NBC) at first they said they wouldn't be retrofitting the Airbuses as well, guess what, in the end they did, about 1-2 years after the 744s IIRC.
JohnnyUMF
Apr 21, 07, 2:16 pm
Would someone kindly point me in the direction or tell me if Cathay's if/which seats in J are best for travelling with a companion. From the look of the website it would appear they are all staggered and it might not be a great choice if one enjoys conversing with their travel partner. Having not flown Cathay before I will assume any 'old' J seat is fine for travel with companion as they all seem side by side.
QF009
Apr 21, 07, 2:23 pm
If you remember many years ago when CX was introducing the current F product (before NBC) at first they said they wouldn't be retrofitting the Airbuses as well, guess what, in the end they did, about 1-2 years after the 744s IIRC.
Eek 1-2 years - I definitely won't get it in Jan then. :(
christep
Apr 21, 07, 2:24 pm
JohnnyUMF,
No CX plane is yet flying with the new J seats, so no-one here has experienced them yet. As you said, the current long-haul J seats come in the traditional side-by-side layout.
The philosophy for the new J seats (as with other airlines with the herringbone arrangement) seems to be that most long haul business class travellers travel alone, and for the rare cases where they are together there is an "ottoman" which can be used by a second person within each seating area.
Dave Marsh
Apr 22, 07, 5:13 am
is an "ottoman" which can be used by a second person within each seating area.
Don't think on CX you can sit there as they don't have a seat belt and the CX ottoman seems to be a bit smaller compare to VS.
FlyerBeek
Apr 25, 07, 11:14 am
A few weeks ago I booked CX450 (HKG-TPE-NRT) for 04May based on the projected schedule tfung posted. The new schedule tfung posted no longer shows the 74A for 04May, but ExpertFlyer still seems to show the 74A seatmap on my flight.
Which should I believe? Is this a case of CX not updating the seatmaps yet to show the changes tfung posted, or could the 74A actually be rolled out earlier then posted?
I would greatly like to try out the new F seats, but if there's no chance the 74A will be flying on 04May, than I much rather fly the nonstop CX504.
Thanks,
FlyerBeek
tfung
Apr 26, 07, 5:10 am
Some changes to the schedule. Seems like they are running the 74A on some shorthaul routes for a few days before sending it to FRA...
* The Schedule is subject to change without prior notice.
IceTrojan
Apr 26, 07, 6:16 am
The philosophy for the new J seats (as with other airlines with the herringbone arrangement) seems to be that most long haul business class travellers travel alone, and for the rare cases where they are together there is an "ottoman" which can be used by a second person within each seating area.
They should've used some sort of removable/stowable partition, like that of BA's J class (whatever they're calling it these days). Sort of like opening a window.
vlawkh
Apr 26, 07, 11:01 am
As current plans do not include refitting the airbuses, does that mean that LHR will end up with 2 different J products since this route is operated with a mix of 343s, 346s and 744s?
Or would CX turn LHR into a full 'new J' route operated by a mix of 744s and the new 77Ws since LHR is a premium and highly competitive route?
Am not due to fly till early next year but I am currently booked on the 0920 departure for HKG-LHR and it's now showing '34C' on EF. I could change to any other flight as im on a DONE4 but I like the timing of the 0920 flight. Not that I need a completely flat seat for a day flight I suppose but it'd still be nice to sample it.
actually CX does plan to put new seats on 343s and 333s (longhaul version)... but won't start until 2008.... note 34C config will be removed when get re-fitted, as the plan is no Airbus will get F in the near future when they got re-fitted.... of coz 346 will not get new seats as they r returning to the lessor soon.
carlcowkau
Apr 26, 07, 12:45 pm
Yes I've just seen the changes in my CX itenary as well, from tufng's data, seems that CX450/451/504/505 are quite stably used by 74A. But the thing is I'm still on the waiting list (but my 19Jun CX505 is confirmed). Very excited to be in the new F!
http://mpg.cc/carlcarlcowkau/74A.jpg
b-hqb
Apr 27, 07, 12:48 am
I can't believe that Auckland will only get the new seats in 2009! :(
QF009
Apr 27, 07, 1:30 am
actually CX does plan to put new seats on 343s and 333s (longhaul version)... but won't start until 2008.... note 34C config will be removed when get re-fitted, as the plan is no Airbus will get F in the near future when they got re-fitted.... of coz 346 will not get new seats as they r returning to the lessor soon.
Hmm - surely they won't operate to LHR with 2 different products? :confused:
Such a competitive route et al - you'd think they'd want to get the new stuff on all flights to LHR asap.
I'm hoping the airbuses on that route will be miraculously replaced by the 77W...:D
b-hqb
Apr 27, 07, 3:59 am
There are pictures of the cabin of the first 74A at http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3380345
The F lav seems really nice, but i agree with one poster that the J colour scheme isnt very appealing....
IceTrojan
Apr 27, 07, 4:21 am
There are pictures of the cabin of the first 74A at http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3380345
The F lav seems really nice, but i agree with one poster that the J colour scheme isnt very appealing....
Thanks for the link... geez, that actually looks a bit claustrophobic in J... I really REALLY wished that partition was collapseable.
And yes... were they off their rockers when they chose those colors? And why the faux wood? Brushed aluminum would've been so much better.
tfung
Apr 27, 07, 4:30 am
Is that carpet in the F bathroom? :p
IceTrojan
Apr 27, 07, 4:36 am
Is that carpet in the F bathroom? :p
Ew:eek:
I'm hoping it's wood laminate.
christep
Apr 27, 07, 4:38 am
Thanks for that link. It looks like there can only be one toilet now in F? I can't see how they would fit in two that size... I suppose for only 9 rather than 12 that may not be a problem (unless it breaks of course).
As one of the comments said - I can see some serious MHC usage of that.
IceTrojan
Apr 27, 07, 4:57 am
As one of the comments said - I can see some serious MHC usage of that.
Well, all of the sudden my 125K AA miles just became more valuable :D
Dave Marsh
Apr 27, 07, 5:04 am
Hmm - surely they won't operate to LHR with 2 different products? :confused:
Such a competitive route et al - you'd think they'd want to get the new stuff on all flights to LHR asap.
I'm hoping the airbuses on that route will be miraculously replaced by the 77W...:D
When they first introduced the NBC they had 2 products as well (back then there were only 2 flights daily to LHR if I remember correctly) and only 1 744 was converted with NBC.
kanebear
Apr 27, 07, 11:43 am
Checking for an upcoming itin HKG-Europe-US and HKG-FRA still shows 74A for June 10th. Has it just not been uploaded? I would *prefer* to transit FRA if I knew I would be getting the new seats. I suppose I can change at will given that the destination is the same regardless. Note that these aren't from Sabre but are directly from CX (via Sabre)
Just for general reference, here's the seatmap shown. For some reason 8jun is zeroed out but 10jun is not.
MMUS:CX289/F/08JUN/HKGFRA/74A-1
0 0 0 0
1 2 3 4
K . A A R
G
D A
A . A A R
0 0 0 0
1 2 3 4
AVAIL: A LEAST PREF:L SMOKING: BULKHEAD:
TAKEN: . UPPER DECK: NOSMOKE: WING :
BLOCK: X HANDICAP : BUFFER :R EXIT ROW:
NO MOVIE:Z BASSINET:I SMOKING ZONE: ENCLOSED WITH - -
J seatmap is
¤QCX/4G*289J08JUNHKGFRA<
CX RESPONSE
MMUS:CX289/J/08JUN/HKGFRA/74A-1
M 1 1 1 1 1 1 U 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 9 9 9
1 2 4 5 6 7 0 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 0 1 2
K . . A A R R L . . A . A A R A A A
G I A A A R X
D I A A A R X
A L . A A R R . . . A A . R A A A A
M 1 1 1 1 1 1 U 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 9 9 9
1 2 4 5 6 7 0 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 0 1 2
AVAIL: A LEAST PREF:L SMOKING: BULKHEAD:
TAKEN: . UPPER DECK: NOSMOKE: WING :
BLOCK: X HANDICAP : BUFFER :R EXIT ROW:
NO MOVIE:Z BASSINET:I SMOKING ZONE: ENCLOSED WITH - -
255 on the 10th is showing as a 744 with the F seatmap of:
¤QCX/4G*255F10JUNHKGLHR<
CX RESPONSE
MMUS:CX255/F/10JUN/HKGLHR/744-81
0 0 0 0
1 2 3 4
K A A A I
G A A
D A A
A A A A I
0 0 0 0
1 2 3 4
AVAIL: A LEAST PREF:L SMOKING: BULKHEAD:
TAKEN: . UPPER DECK: NOSMOKE: WING :
BLOCK: X HANDICAP : BUFFER :R EXIT ROW:
NO MOVIE:Z BASSINET:I SMOKING ZONE: ENCLOSED WITH - -
QF009
Apr 27, 07, 12:54 pm
When they first introduced the NBC they had 2 products as well (back then there were only 2 flights daily to LHR if I remember correctly) and only 1 744 was converted with NBC.
Ah well, will just have to 'suffer' in the 'old' seats then. ;) :D
tfung
Apr 27, 07, 2:49 pm
Checking for an upcoming itin HKG-Europe-US and HKG-FRA still shows 74A for June 10th. Has it just not been uploaded? I would *prefer* to transit FRA if I knew I would be getting the new seats. I suppose I can change at will given that the destination is the same regardless. Note that these aren't from Sabre but are directly from CX (via Sabre)
First 74A flight to LHR has been pushed back to July 1st... so if you want the new seats, will have to go through FRA... of course this is always subject to change.. :p
First 74A flight to LHR has been pushed back to July 1st... so if you want the new seats, will have to go through FRA... of course this is always subject to change.. :p
Which wouldn'tve been a bad thing except AA now runs the coffin beds to FRA. :( My luck? I'll get the old CX F seats inbound and the AA coffins outbound. Not that I MIND the old CX F seats... the coffins on the other hand are :p.
tfung
Apr 27, 07, 5:05 pm
Which wouldn'tve been a bad thing except AA now runs the coffin beds to FRA. :( My luck? I'll get the old CX F seats inbound and the AA coffins outbound. Not that I MIND the old CX F seats... the coffins on the other hand are :p.
haha... well.. if you don't mind LHR, you can always do a connection there and take BA FRA-LHR
brahms77
Apr 27, 07, 6:10 pm
Boy, the new CX C seats look quite narrow... can anyone confirm whether the seat width is same as the ones on AC, VS, NZ?
F seat looks nice, but the fabric and fake looking wood trim doesn't help much.
b-hqb
Apr 28, 07, 1:06 am
I will point out what i think is the best feature of the new seats (i'm not going to over-criticise so i can't get flamed):
1) The tones in F; browns and greys help 'soothe' out the environment - dull as they seem, they're called "neutral colours" for a reason.
2) The privacy in J; being a teen, this is hard to come by at home so it's a big ^
hairpeace
Apr 28, 07, 2:25 am
I'm pleased with F, disgusted by J.
Dave Marsh
Apr 28, 07, 5:24 am
The J Class seats are pretty much the same as AC (the arm can be lowered in the sitting position).
One thing I don't like about the F Class is the Staggered position (haing someone's feet next to your face when u are sleeping (I know there is a big partition! but..)
Also the pitch seems to be less compare to the old F Class (when facing the TV).
hairpeace
Apr 28, 07, 6:26 am
One thing I don't like about the F Class is the Staggered position (haing someone's feet next to your face when u are sleeping (I know there is a big partition! but..)
Also the pitch seems to be less compare to the old F Class (when facing the TV).
Then sit in the last row?
Dave Marsh
Apr 28, 07, 10:34 am
Then sit in the last row?
But then for people like you who prefer the VIP treatment of 1A will have a serious problem.
b-hqb
Apr 28, 07, 5:57 pm
The J Class seats are pretty much the same as AC (the arm can be lowered in the sitting position).
One thing I don't like about the F Class is the Staggered position (haing someone's feet next to your face when u are sleeping (I know there is a big partition! but..)
Also the pitch seems to be less compare to the old F Class (when facing the TV).
I thought that space was taken up by the seat's personal closet?? (If you look closely, there aren't any 'bumps' for the feet where the seat itself is)
Anyway, in terms of this CX F can't be as bad as SQ's new J, where someone's feet are REALLY next to your face!
carlcowkau
Apr 30, 07, 6:24 pm
When checking expertflyer.com, something STRANGE happened!
Since I've booked Jun 19 CX 505 in old F, just want to do a bit of research to see if there's any chance to take the new F. It's found that on 22 Jun (and also 26 Jun), 74A is applied on both CX 505 NRT-HKG and CX 451 NRT-TPE-HKG, which is impossible! Anybody?
http://mpg.cc/carlcarlcowkau/451505.jpg
* The Schedule is subject to change without prior notice.
tfung
Apr 30, 07, 7:54 pm
When checking expertflyer.com, something STRANGE happened!
Since I've booked Jun 19 CX 505 in old F, just want to do a bit of research to see if there's any chance to take the new F. It's found that on 22 Jun (and also 26 Jun), 74A is applied on both CX 505 NRT-HKG and CX 451 NRT-TPE-HKG, which is impossible! Anybody?
http://mpg.cc/carlcarlcowkau/451505.jpg
It's possible that they anticipate both B-HKT and B-HOT will be running by then...
carlcowkau
Apr 30, 07, 8:50 pm
It's possible that they anticipate both B-HKT and B-HOT will be running by then...
I'm a bit confused coz I assume that only 1 aircraft has been installed with the new F and J, the second one is not delivered until Aug?
btw, has the 74A configuration made its maiden flight yet? or it keeps delaying until the latest info. shown (6 May)
brunos
May 3, 07, 12:32 am
The J Class seats are pretty much the same as AC (the arm can be lowered in the sitting position).
One thing I don't like about the F Class is the Staggered position (haing someone's feet next to your face when u are sleeping (I know there is a big partition! but..)
Also the pitch seems to be less compare to the old F Class (when facing the TV).
I might be wrong, but the new F seats ressemble the new J seats at SQ. Except that they are positioned sideways (staggered) rather than front-facing as on SQ. Nothing like the enormous space and privacy of the new F seat at SQ. It is clear on the pix the CX F seats are staggered (feet of back pax encroach on the seat in front) and sideways. The seat is very narrow at the feet. Disapointing seat compared to SQ (or many other carriers). It looks like a downgrading from the old F seat by CX. Again, I might be wrong but why does CX refuse to give seatplans. If they could fit four rows of old F seats in the nose of the 7474 when seats were not staggeres/sideways, they sould be able to get 5 rows with new seats, unless I am missing something. If the information on only 9 seats in the nose of the 747 is correct, then it could be that they moved the galley forward. IMo the old seats were more attractive, except for the AVOD screen size. I hope to be proven wrong.
number_6
May 3, 07, 12:45 am
I... If the information on only 9 seats in the nose of the 747 is correct, then it could be that they moved the galley forward. IMo the old seats were more attractive, except for the AVOD screen size. I hope to be proven wrong.You are wrong. The galley hasn't been moved, and the new F seats are 30% bigger in square footage. They are nicer than the SQ new F seats, and a big step up from the J seats. But it is more conspicuous consumption than comfort -- I really don't think it is a big improvement over the old F seats (which I rather like). But I understand why CX had to do this.
jonathanlo280792
May 3, 07, 1:12 am
pls do not judge the seat's size or colors or comfortness by looking at those crappy phone pics!!!
brunos
May 3, 07, 1:44 am
You are wrong. The galley hasn't been moved, and the new F seats are 30% bigger in square footage. They are nicer than the SQ new F seats, and a big step up from the J seats. But it is more conspicuous consumption than comfort -- I really don't think it is a big improvement over the old F seats (which I rather like). But I understand why CX had to do this.
So you have been in the newly-equipped plane! Out of curiosity, why do you say that " they are nicer than the SQ new F seats"? I hope that you are right, but I hate to see the staggering. I am not referring to the "crappy phone pixs", but to those on CX website. Looking at the picture under the heading "The Biggest Bed In The Sky", it is clear that the feet of the back seat (not shown on the pic) is right against the head part of the seat being shown. The partition looks flimsy, so anytime the guy behind will move and hit the partition with his/her feet, you will hear the noise/vibration.
All this is theoretical, and hopefully the seats will be less disapointing that they look. I thought that the old F seats were great; it was wonderful to sit in row 1 (with a companion) or 2. Now, one will be facing a wall.
tedhl
May 3, 07, 9:16 am
many people are commenting/complaining about "feet next to the heads" for the new CX F seat...but if I look at the dimensions, 36" x 81"...the seat/bed is now a whole 6 feet 9 inches long...I guess for many/most people your feet won't even get close to reaching that narrow ottoman part...whether it's narrow or whether it's next to the head of the person in front you, really doesn't quite matter ?
vs. the new SQ J seat...it's 30 inches wide and 50 inches seat pitch (if I remember right)...so diagonally it's probably <60 inches, i.e. <5 feet (they do assume you need to sleep diagonally in that config with only 50 inches pitch)...it's some 2 feet shorter than the new CX F seat, really no comparison at all...and, your feet will definitely need to get into the space next to the seat in front of you...and it's probably at most 6 feet only even including that space...
jonathanlo280792
May 3, 07, 10:14 am
guys u can't compare the SQ J seat w/ the CX F seat!!! itz totally different!
CX F seat has a much larger bed and also privacy...
while SQ J has a flat bed which u need to like sleep diagonally and there's less privacy.......
imao, by just looking at the seat (w/out tryin on them)...CX F seat wins over SQ F seat as it has much more privacy and also the "suite" space looks much larger and also u dont need to get up and flip the seat to a bed...
brunos
May 3, 07, 10:46 am
many people are commenting/complaining about "feet next to the heads" for the new CX F seat...but if I look at the dimensions, 36" x 81"...the seat/bed is now a whole 6 feet 9 inches long...I guess for many/most people your feet won't even get close to reaching that narrow ottoman part...whether it's narrow or whether it's next to the head of the person in front you, really doesn't quite matter ?
vs. the new SQ J seat...it's 30 inches wide and 50 inches seat pitch (if I remember right)...so diagonally it's probably <60 inches, i.e. <5 feet (they do assume you need to sleep diagonally in that config with only 50 inches pitch)...it's some 2 feet shorter than the new CX F seat, really no comparison at all...and, your feet will definitely need to get into the space next to the seat in front of you...and it's probably at most 6 feet only even including that space...
I think that yr calculations are not correct. the seat pitch is between two seats (say the back of the two seats). the pitch of SQ C seat is 50", but that does not include the foot rest that goes on the side of the seat in front (just like the staggered CX F seats). So the total length of the SQ C seat is more than 50", plus you take the diagonal. I would say that the sleeping length is well over 6 ft. I am over 6ft and could lay extended without problem. Looking at the pix, I would doubt that the seat pitch on CX F seat (between two seat backs) be much more than 50", and the closet further removes space.
I am not trying to say that SQ C seat is as good as the yet-unknown CX F seat. But they are based on a similar principle. Frankly the prospect of having this closet wall very near in front might bring privacy to some, but it could also seem cramped. Experience will tell and I hope that I am mistaken. But based on pix, I would take the new SQ F seat (which I have seen on the CDG-SIN route) over the CX F seat anyday.
tedhl
May 3, 07, 10:55 am
if you look at my calculations/estimate more carefully...I already took into account the diagonal effect (square root of 30*30 + 50*50, roughly ~58 inches = <5 feet), plus another feet or so to account for the foot rest area (or maybe this foot rest area is longer, I'm not sure)...this is how I came up with the ~6 feet number...
carlcowkau
May 3, 07, 1:46 pm
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HUGE AL
May 4, 07, 12:13 am
guys u can't compare the SQ J seat w/ the CX F seat!!! itz totally different!
CX F seat has a much larger bed and also privacy...
while SQ J has a flat bed which u need to like sleep diagonally and there's less privacy.......
imao, by just looking at the seat (w/out tryin on them)...CX F seat wins over SQ F seat as it has much more privacy and also the "suite" space looks much larger and also u dont need to get up and flip the seat to a bed...
Yeah, but you don't get the SQ Girls. :)
Guy Betsy
May 4, 07, 2:06 am
Yeah, but you don't get the SQ Girls. :)
There're many Singapore girls working on CX. And Malaysian, Indonesian, Thai, Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Filipino girls (and guys) too ! ;)
Dave Marsh
May 4, 07, 6:42 am
CX F seat wins over SQ F seat as it has much more privacy and also the "suite" space looks much larger and also u dont need to get up and flip the seat to a bed...
Haven't travelled in SQ F class before, but by just looking at the pictures and the seat maps it seems the overall SQ new F class is bigger than CX , at least it is not staggered. I really don't know why CX have to do this arrangement and the closet IMO is just a waste of space.
Maybe the actual seat width on CX is bigger than SQ, but the leg part, it seems SQ is wider.
Also I presume when CX measured the pitch it is from the seat to the feet area and NOT where the TV monitor is
HUGE AL
May 4, 07, 3:39 pm
There're many Singapore girls working on CX.
Yeah, but that's after they've served their 10 years and are in "retirement." :( hahaha
jonathanlo280792
May 4, 07, 5:42 pm
guys
if u look at this pic: http://downloads.cathaypacific.com/cx/new_seat/first/fimg_1.jpg
the ottoman can actually fit a folded blanket..........
also u dun need that much space fer ur legs~
Dave Marsh
May 4, 07, 7:37 pm
guys
if u look at this pic: http://downloads.cathaypacific.com/cx/new_seat/first/fimg_1.jpg
the ottoman can actually fit a folded blanket..........
also u dun need that much space fer ur legs~
It is shi8 that when you have so much room at the top and so little for the feet. Actually I think you get more leg room in the current F seat (which is 100% the same width as the seat) than the new one.
Dave Marsh
May 4, 07, 7:38 pm
Yeah, but that's after they've served their 10 years and are in "retirement." :( hahaha
* The Schedule is subject to change without prior notice.
So is Tuesday still the big day?
UMD
May 5, 07, 10:50 am
Haven't travelled in SQ F class before, but by just looking at the pictures and the seat maps it seems the overall SQ new F class is bigger than CX , at least it is not staggered. I really don't know why CX have to do this arrangement and the closet IMO is just a waste of space.
Maybe the actual seat width on CX is bigger than SQ, but the leg part, it seems SQ is wider.
Also I presume when CX measured the pitch it is from the seat to the feet area and NOT where the TV monitor is
Well, SQ claims its new F is 35" in width while CX claims its new F is 36". The leg section of the SQ F seat is definitely wider than that of CX.
Fagin
May 5, 07, 11:08 am
I was just checking on my res for Jun 24 HKG to DPS and my origional booking was a and c on the upper deck. When reviewing today the seats had been changed to to lower level for some reason, I spoke to AA and requested the upper deck a and c again and was told c doesn't exist it would be a and d now, which I reserved. Looking at seat guru no 747 has a d seat so could it be the new seating and configuration? :confused:
carlcowkau
May 5, 07, 4:42 pm
Looking at seat guru no 747 has a d seat so could it be the new seating and configuration? :confused:
Yes, from the most update info today by expertflyer, the 24th Jun CX 785 is with the new 74A configuration. Note that the row 1, 2, 3, 4 are supposed to be first class seats but they appear to be in J since that flight was originally sold in J and Y only. Therefore they're all hold (with "X") and maybe some lucky J flyers can get upgrades to F (but not the meal of coz)
http://mpg.cc/carlcarlcowkau/0624dps.jpg
* The Schedule is subject to change without prior notice.
carlcowkau
May 6, 07, 1:50 pm
Quite interesting that the seat availability 15th May CX504 is as follows:
F3 A3 J0 C0 D0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
15th CX451:
F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
Biz class is full whereas only 6 seats are occupied in F in 504. No redemption in F is available in 504 but 451.
tfung
May 6, 07, 7:43 pm
Quite interesting that the seat availability 15th May CX504 is as follows:
F3 A3 J0 C0 D0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
15th CX451:
F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
Biz class is full whereas only 6 seats are occupied in F in 504. No redemption in F is available in 504 but 451.
No-one likes to take 450/451 to Tokyo, as it stops in Taipei... Usually the premium cabins are quite empty on these flights, while economy class are quite full from tour groups...
brunos
May 7, 07, 2:48 pm
guys
if u look at this pic: http://downloads.cathaypacific.com/cx/new_seat/first/fimg_1.jpg
the ottoman can actually fit a folded blanket..........
also u dun need that much space fer ur legs~
Indeed that pic looks more attractive. I am still worried about noise though. Besides hitting the feet , they guy behing you could open and close his closet next to your head...
It also seems that there are no "double" seat for a couple. My wife will hate it.
tedhl
May 7, 07, 6:05 pm
It also seems that there are no "double" seat for a couple. My wife will hate it.
exactly what my wife said too, for F...and in J, the partition seems very high too, right? would it be hard for couple to even just talk?
hamallu
May 7, 07, 7:50 pm
exactly what my wife said too, for F...and in J, the partition seems very high too, right? would it be hard for couple to even just talk?
Don't know about F but the J seat partitions might be collapsible like VS'.
SDK
May 7, 07, 8:36 pm
CX451 NRT-TPE-HKG on 24 Jun is scheduled on 74A. I'll take this flight for a try out.
johnkennett
May 7, 07, 9:31 pm
I am booked on CX451 NRT-HKG on July 1. The seat selection was 82AK as the two seats across the aisle from each other, on the upper deck, so this is the new plane I assume?
On the flight over, CX450 TPE-HKG on June 30, the upper deck is not showing new seats, so we took seats down stairs to try the lower deck on a 747 in J (only ever had the LD in F and Y). Hope we can get the new layout LHR-HKG on July29.
sllevin
May 8, 07, 11:03 am
Doggone...I'll be on 451 on 17 June, so it looks like I'll just miss it. I suppose I could try and change HKG-LHR on BA to HKG-FRA and then FRA-LHR, but for such odds I don't think it's worth it...and I've never flown BA longhaul before.
Steve
tfung
May 8, 07, 2:26 pm
On my last flight, talked to the ISM about the new seats, and the rumor is that the new F class seats are overweight, and they have taken out some motors, eliminating the massage function to reduce some weight.. could be the reason for the delays.... just a rumor of course...
sxc
May 9, 07, 12:58 am
You would think that the weight of the seats are easily predicted prior to installation...makes me think its more of a rumour than truth.
Guy Betsy
May 9, 07, 3:19 am
Besides there are only 9 F seats. How much weight would the onboard massage equipment be at the most per seat? 50 lbs? That's 450 lbs. About the weight of 3 average-sized men. It would hardly be a weight concern enough to remove the equipment. Sounds more like CX couldn't get the massage equipment to work properly inflight!
IceTrojan
May 9, 07, 3:44 am
Besides there are only 9 F seats. How much weight would the onboard massage equipment be at the most per seat? 50 lbs? That's 450 lbs. About the weight of 3 average-sized men. It would hardly be a weight concern enough to remove the equipment. Sounds more like CX couldn't get the massage equipment to work properly inflight!
Could be.
But it's not 450lbs of overall weight... it's 450lbs in the forward section of the plane, which could affect performance.
tfung
May 9, 07, 4:17 am
might be possible.. but you have to remember the new suites are HUGE.. and they could already like double the weight of the old seats... together with pax and other equipment, it could be a problem..
Guy Betsy
May 9, 07, 2:00 pm
Could be.
But it's not 450lbs of overall weight... it's 450lbs in the forward section of the plane, which could affect performance.
So, that means that CX will never transport someone (or at least 2-3 of a family) who is of, er, a wider girth, so that they won't be 'off-balance'?
IceTrojan
May 9, 07, 2:04 pm
So, that means that CX will never transport someone (or at least 2-3 of a family) who is of, er, a wider girth, so that they won't be 'off-balance'?
Now that's just silly :p
But that's also a variable out of CX's control... the motors are a constant that can be removed, so why fly 450lbs of flesh + 450lbs of motors when they can fly with just the 450lbs of flesh?
I'm just forwarding an argument in their defense... I agree that the CX spin machine is probably at work.
KE7172
May 9, 07, 8:55 pm
might be possible.. but you have to remember the new suites are HUGE.. and they could already like double the weight of the old seats... together with pax and other equipment, it could be a problem..
Huge? Do you mean the seat itself or the whole suite, as the suite photo on airliners.net seem to be very small, IMAO.
tfung
May 9, 07, 9:45 pm
Huge? Do you mean the seat itself or the whole suite, as the suite photo on airliners.net seem to be very small, IMAO.
both... the pictures on a.net are not very good... I saw the mockup seat at the launch event.. and the whole thing is HUGE... larger than any other airplane suite/seat I have been on...
* The Schedule is subject to change without prior notice.
SQ Flyer Talker
May 10, 07, 9:33 pm
Hi tfung,
As your earlier post #138 which you stated that the 1st flight would be on
15/May CX504/451 HKG-NRT-TPE-HKG
but now it seems to be just revised to the 1st flight would be on today 11 May...!
11/May CX460/461/400/401 HKG-TPE-HKG-TPE-HKG (sold as 2 class)
& what exactly means by sold as 2 classes? Is that mean only carrying 1st & Business class passengers only but not Economy? Is it because of Economy class seats had not been changed yet?
vlawkh
May 10, 07, 10:34 pm
from HKADB, B-HKT successfully made its first revenue flight CX460 today. Now she is on the air operating CX461 back to HKG~;)
wow.... look forward to tasting it!
christep
May 11, 07, 12:23 am
Looks like I get to try see it tomorrow on 907 :) I guess I'll be dropping some miles for a J seat just to try it out (if CX aren't feeling generous)!
I have the feeling that packing a roll of duct tape might be a good idea though :D
(And "sold as 2-class" means sold as Y & J, presumably since it was a late substitution for a 2-class plane originally scheduled for that flight. I guess Diamonds might be offered the F seats.)
tfung
May 11, 07, 7:36 am
it did take off today to fly to TPE and back.. someone posted some nice photos here already:
http://www.hkadb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13746
tfung
May 11, 07, 7:38 am
and another updated schedule for the next few weeks:
* The Schedule is subject to change without prior notice.
Fagin
May 11, 07, 12:51 pm
Finally only 4 months past due............
from HKADB, B-HKT successfully made its first revenue flight CX460 today. Now she is on the air operating CX461 back to HKG~;)
wow.... look forward to tasting it!
kanebear
May 11, 07, 7:18 pm
Now if 10 Jun would only open back up. :( Can't even BUY an F seat.
daron4000
May 11, 07, 8:32 pm
Can someone post a link to the pictures in English as I need to log in and it only comes up in Chinese. Thanks a lot! Oh and is the plane still scheduled into LHR or no?
CPwingwalker
May 11, 07, 11:17 pm
By complete coincidence I will be on 716 on the 13th. And even better I have my camera along this trip. Will do my best to snap some pics. Just did OLCI and currently I am the only psgr in F out of 9 seats. Suite 4D does look lonely on the map but will take the picture to show what it really looks like. Rather puts a bit of excitement back into flying!!
Cheers
kanebear
May 14, 07, 8:07 pm
Anyone got access to internal CX systems? CX289 on Jun 10th is showing F0A0 but looks like there's quite a bit of space in the cabin. I realize seats may be sold without assignments being made but it'd be nice to know so I can go ahead and book. I realize I *can* change but as there's no penalty either way and my other alternative (via LHR) is wide open I'd rather do it once and leave it.
Guy Betsy
May 15, 07, 2:06 am
Anyone got access to internal CX systems? CX289 on Jun 10th is showing F0A0 but looks like there's quite a bit of space in the cabin. I realize seats may be sold without assignments being made but it'd be nice to know so I can go ahead and book. I realize I *can* change but as there's no penalty either way and my other alternative (via LHR) is wide open I'd rather do it once and leave it.
What would you like to find out?
kanebear
May 15, 07, 8:20 pm
What would you like to find out?
Simply if CX is holding back inventory or if the cabin is actually booked without seats being assigned yet.
Guy Betsy
May 16, 07, 5:24 am
I think CX may be holding back sales for that flight for the moment. Cos from 12 on an ordinary 747 to 9 seats in F on the new configuration, they want to be certain that the flight is going before letting more seats go on sale. Same goes for the J seats.
But of course for DM members, CX will confirm that J seat for you right away!
For others, guess you'll have to put yourself on waitlist.
kanebear
May 18, 07, 4:27 pm
CX were holding back inventory. I cleared the waitlist in less than 12 hours. Should be a great trip.
tfung
May 19, 07, 7:46 pm
just posted some observations on my last flight on FRA-HKG in F on the new seats here:
AGH there goes my HKG to DPS on June 24th, thought I was going to be one of the lucky ones.............
lesteryen
May 28, 07, 10:10 pm
I just read from another forum (airliners.net) that CX might delay or even cancel the introduction of new seats. I believe that CX will keep the new First Class as those seats have received praises from lots of passengers. I think the main concern is their new Business Class.
The link to the other forum is here. http://www.airliners.net/discussion...d.main/3430746/
Does anyone have any clue of what CX will do to the introduction of new seats?
christep
May 28, 07, 10:33 pm
You do have to wonder who is responsible for seat design at CX, and whether they still have a job. If it's the same person who stuffed up the regional business class and now long-haul business at what must be a huge cost then surely they must have been fired?
Was anyone here involved in the testing of the new J seats at Cathay City a year or two back? I did the F seats, and what appears now is pretty close to what I tested, with some of the comments taken on board.
ijgordon
May 28, 07, 10:55 pm
Looks like lesteryen muffed the link. Here it is:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3430746
Honestly, I don't know what complaints there could be about new Business that were so severe they'd have to cancel the roll-out. AFAIK, the configuration is very similar to VS who has successfully been using it for a few years, and AC/NZ are rolling it out versions (that are even more similar to what I know about CX) as well. What could CX have screwed up so badly relative to these others?
Guy Betsy
May 29, 07, 12:10 am
I'll have the opportunity to try both SQ's and CX new J seats by this weekend, so will give a report in due time... :)
sxc
May 29, 07, 12:33 am
Looks like lesteryen muffed the link. Here it is:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3430746
Honestly, I don't know what complaints there could be about new Business that were so severe they'd have to cancel the roll-out. AFAIK, the configuration is very similar to VS who has successfully been using it for a few years, and AC/NZ are rolling it out versions (that are even more similar to what I know about CX) as well. What could CX have screwed up so badly relative to these others?
I think the main problem with the CX implementation is not the fundamentals of the design, which as ijgordon says is almost the same as other airlines. The problem is the trim and colour. The VS cabin looks stylish and contemporary - the CX cabin looks like a child chose the colours. CX really needs to change their interior designer to have colours and patterns that are much more classy.
KE7172
May 29, 07, 12:35 am
In my opinion, Contour's herringbone layout style J seats (AC, DL, Jet Airways style) is better than the CX new J, which is designed by B/E Aerospace, I think. I'm not really sure. Perhaps CX will keep the new F and Y and use Contour's seats?! Just a random thought...:p
christep
May 29, 07, 12:40 am
I must say I disagree on the colour issue - they look OK to me.
For me the big issues are:
- impossible to travel as a couple (also a problem in F) because that's how I do the majority of my long-haul travel
- the quality of some of the fittings (e.g. the headphone holder) is very poor indeed
- I suspect that the lack of airflow inside the cubicles is going to be a major issue - I imagine that I would be gasping for breath after a couple of hours lying down (perhaps even in F)
- I really don't like the absence of window seats. I like looking out of the window.
- there really isn't enough storage space around the cubicles - nowhere to put a book of any size for example.
sxc
May 29, 07, 12:52 am
I must say I disagree on the colour issue - they look OK to me.
For me the big issues are:
- impossible to travel as a couple (also a problem in F) because that's how I do the majority of my long-haul travel
- the quality of some of the fittings (e.g. the headphone holder) is very poor indeed
- I suspect that the lack of airflow inside the cubicles is going to be a major issue - I imagine that I would be gasping for breath after a couple of hours lying down (perhaps even in F)
- I really don't like the absence of window seats. I like looking out of the window.
- there really isn't enough storage space around the cubicles - nowhere to put a book of any size for example.
I do wonder like ijgordon though why these issues haven't been a problem for VS/NZ as they would apply to them as well.
singaporu_kooku
May 29, 07, 1:23 am
In regards, to the J seat, I saw VS and NZ's seat on airliners.net and they look somehow very fresh, clean, and spacious. While CX look a bit cramped... Maybe it's the colors or the wall height. I don't think CX need to cancel it, maybe just slight changes here and there.
B-HQC
May 29, 07, 4:23 am
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B-HQC
May 29, 07, 4:42 am
As a frequent traveller on VS UC HKG/SYD this year, here are my thoughts.
I must say I disagree on the colour issue - they look OK to me.
For me the big issues are:
- impossible to travel as a couple (also a problem in F) because that's how I do the majority of my long-haul travel Definitely a big problem for some but believe it or not this will entice me to fly CX more - I travel my myself 95% of the time and being isolated and having your own space in J is a big ^.
- the quality of some of the fittings (e.g. the headphone holder) is very poor indeed Small things like this caused major problems when UCS was rolled out in 03. Many complaints were received, and eventually towards the end of 04 almost all of these were fixed - VS made a big deal of it at that time saying something to the effect of "see, we listen to our customers." One persistent problem in the UCS though that remains is the tray table mechenism - you press a (electrical) button and it is supposed to come out of its enclosure so that it can be pulled out. Unfortunately, it does not come out smoothly 50% of the time still today. Most of the time it is not a big deal as this just means you have to get it out manually - either by lighting pushing it in so that it rebounds out or in more severe cases prying, either with fingers or with tools (CC have a Tool Kit specially made for the UCS). Still I would say on about 1/3 of my flights at least one pax will have to eat at the Bar due to their traytable being stuck completely. I hope CX has not used the same design.
- I suspect that the lack of airflow inside the cubicles is going to be a major issue - I imagine that I would be gasping for breath after a couple of hours lying down (perhaps even in F) I never felt this was a problem on VS, however, VS tends to keep their cabins at a lower temperature compared to CX - prehaps CX will have to do so at some point.
- I really don't like the absence of window seats. I like looking out of the window. Personal preference - again I much prefer the herringbone layout - and if you really want to look out the window you can - its just more dificult.
- there really isn't enough storage space around the cubicles - nowhere to put a book of any size for example.Just wondering... how about inside the foot stool, or behind the seatback when not reclined completely (the "triangle" dead space). These are probably the only two places in the UCS - I agree it is insufficient.
PS. I don't have a problem with the color scheme - it the "CX" colors, right?
Guy Betsy
May 29, 07, 7:59 am
We forgot that AC has recently introduced these seats as well....
UncleDude
May 29, 07, 8:57 am
All Flat-Bed Interior Cabins look the same Design and Color when I am asleep.
I choose a Totally Flat-Bed Airline for the Sleep not the Cabin Interior or Food.
jiml1126
May 29, 07, 10:22 am
Could it be because the new Business Class are installed in upper deck on the 747, making the seats looks cramped?
Dave Marsh
May 29, 07, 11:00 am
Could it be because the new Business Class are installed in upper deck on the 747, making the seats looks cramped?
NZ and VS have J Class on the upper deck, but CX is the world's first airline to have 100% J Class in the upper deck with the herringbone design.
PresRDC
May 29, 07, 1:17 pm
My opne experience with this design (flying VS) was positive as a bed, but a big negative as a seat. I particularly did not like how when your seatmate is having a conversation with a guest, you are pretty much forced to be part of the conversation (i.e. they are too close to you).
Call me old fashioned, but if they could just take the old recliner seats and find a way to be able to get the legrest up to the horizontal, I'd be perfectly fine.
sxc
May 29, 07, 6:14 pm
My opne experience with this design (flying VS) was positive as a bed, but a big negative as a seat. I particularly did not like how when your seatmate is having a conversation with a guest, you are pretty much forced to be part of the conversation (i.e. they are too close to you).
Call me old fashioned, but if they could just take the old recliner seats and find a way to be able to get the legrest up to the horizontal, I'd be perfectly fine.
Re conversation, doesn't the closeness also apply for all other old business class seats?
I find it funny that people don't appreciate that this design allows you to have easy access to your seat and a flat bed, without ppl crawling over you while you are sleeping and waking you up. This is the one major advantage of this seat compared to old CX. Yes EY and SQ have solved it via other means, but their seat densities are different hence higher fares (on SQ at least).
tfung
May 30, 07, 7:05 am
Call me old fashioned, but if they could just take the old recliner seats and find a way to be able to get the legrest up to the horizontal, I'd be perfectly fine.
They can do it.. but they would either have to sacrafice the number of seats they can fit into the J cabin, or you will end up having a 5 foot long bed.. haha...
b-hqb
May 30, 07, 11:05 pm
They can do it.. but they would either have to sacrafice the number of seats they can fit into the J cabin, or you will end up having a 5 foot long bed.. haha...
... so it will end up like first class? :p
tfung
May 31, 07, 5:21 am
... so it will end up like first class? :p
yep... if you're a midget! :p
PresRDC
May 31, 07, 7:57 am
Re conversation, doesn't the closeness also apply for all other old business class seats?
Yes, but the buddy seat element of the new seat encourages longer chats and shared meals, which, to me, are disruptive.
trekkie
May 31, 07, 8:14 am
the herringbone design is nice if u are seated in first row but not in the middle.
SQ Flyer Talker
Jun 2, 07, 5:21 pm
Just heard from CathayTalk.com the B-HKT went into trouble.
well, B-HKT has broken down tonight (June 1st) at NRT while operating as CX505... apparently something wrong with APU and the engines refused to spool up after being pushed back from the gate... not sure how it will affect the schedule of the flights the next few days... it has been reassigned to CX509 on June 2nd, but who knows if they will fix it in time in order for it to keep to the above schedule...
vlawkh
Jun 2, 07, 9:06 pm
and juz heard from another forum HKADB tht B-HKT is back to operation today (3rd June) with CTS and FRA;)
CX_First
Jun 5, 07, 11:10 am
Is Cathay Pacific really placing their implementation of the New Business Class seat on hold? If so are they searching for like maybe a better Long Haul Business Class product?
I know there's not too many problems with the New First Class pods, other than having a cozy feel.
johnkennett
Jun 5, 07, 12:02 pm
sadly, we'll miss our chance to try it, as the new seats we were to have NRT-TPE on 1JUL are now back to regular business class.
carlcowkau
Jun 5, 07, 12:37 pm
some of the HKG-NRT flights are changed back to 744 now. Could somebody provide the latest schedule? tfung? :cool:
hairpeace
Jun 5, 07, 6:07 pm
tfung:
Do you think LAX-HKG will see the new seats before SFO-HKG? :)
Guy Betsy
Jun 5, 07, 9:03 pm
tfung:
Do you think LAX-HKG will see the new seats before SFO-HKG? :)
You have to see where the new 77Ws will be operating first! Chances are that JFK will see the new aircrafts followed possibly by SFO (as it only has one flight vs 3 flights for LAX).
TaiwanAir
Jun 5, 07, 9:53 pm
Here are some photos of the new seats, mainly from upper deck Business Class section, including a few from First Class. http://photo.xuite.net/aeroformosa/1770371
I think the best seat on the upper deck is 81A http://photo.xuite.net/aeroformosa/1770371/23.jpg, where you get a large surface area as extra storage/table to your own, of course except for during take off or landing. Second one is 80K http://photo.xuite.net/aeroformosa/1770371/24.jpg, where you get the large surface area as well. However, you'll have to face the flight deck curtain. 88A and 88K are also nice as you won't see that many feets/shoes than other seats http://photo.xuite.net/aeroformosa/1769490/48.jpg :p
sxc
Jun 5, 07, 10:56 pm
The more I look at these photos the more I am certain that a change a of colour will make the J class a lot more acceptable to pax. The colour of the dividers totally clash with the colour of the seat fabric. And the aqua wall colour and pattern is completely wrong. The ottoman needs the bright plastic changed to a different colour to make it less plasticky, and the end of the divder needs to be more curved (make it more like the Virgin divider) which would make a more open environment. And the pattern of the seat fabric should be more professional and subdued - currently looks like what I would expect in Y class, not J class.
If you have a look at these pics you can see that Virgin has pretty much the same layout but it's so much classier and easy on the eye:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1089494/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1059454/M/
This following pic could hold the key to why Virgin has been more successful. Since their seat needs to be flipped forward to create a bed, they can position the seat in seated position further behind than CX does. Therefore, your arms are positioned in the section where there is more width. On CX, your arms are where the partitions are, hence a narrower space in seated position:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0816860/M/
TaiwanAir
Jun 6, 07, 1:18 am
On CX, your arms are where the partitions are, hence a narrower space in seated position Yes, I think it's a bit too narrow for CX's business class as I had difficult time to open my arms for holding newpapers! http://photo.xuite.net/aeroformosa/1769490/45.jpg
hairpeace
Jun 6, 07, 3:44 am
You have to see where the new 77Ws will be operating first! Chances are that JFK will see the new aircrafts followed possibly by SFO (as it only has one flight vs 3 flights for LAX).
Thanks, Guy Betsy.
irwin8417
Jun 6, 07, 6:34 am
Yes, I think it's a bit too narrow for CX's business class as I had difficult time to open my arms for holding newpapers! http://photo.xuite.net/aeroformosa/1769490/45.jpg
I saw your another photos on wretch photo album yesterday.Its really cool,the most clear new seat pictures compare with others.Does its too narrow if using laptop on air?compare with the long-haul J seat?
TaiwanAir
Jun 6, 07, 7:10 am
I saw your another photos on wretch photo album yesterday.Its really cool,the most clear new seat pictures compare with others.Does its too narrow if using laptop on air?compare with the long-haul J seat?
Thanks for viewing the photos :)
I think there's enough space for using laptops in the air with the new seats. However, it would be more difficult to watch an inflight entertainment program while doing something on the laptop at the same time. Your laptop will be right in front of and block most of the PTV screen!
irwin8417
Jun 6, 07, 7:35 am
Thanks for viewing the photos :)
I think there's enough space for using laptops in the air with the new seats. However, it would be more difficult to watch an inflight entertainment program while doing something on the laptop at the same time. Your laptop will be right in front of and block most of the PTV screen!
because my laptop is bigger(15.4 inch),so this is why i think too narrow when typing.Btw the other photos in your album also pretty good like CI and BR.
Guy Betsy
Jun 6, 07, 10:12 am
The TV screen although larger than normal... cannot pivot forward or back. So it gets awfully uncomfortable trying to watch the TV while eating.
Although nice - I feel CX didn't invest studying what works or what doesn't ergonomically, but rather just stick a table here or there just because it looks nice.
Has anyone tried the bed while flat? It seems to be too flat especially the head end when it seems to dip. If lying on the side, one end of the seat belt attachment (near the seat) juts out and seem to poke into the back of my hip if in a semi cradle position.
sxc
Jun 6, 07, 11:10 am
Has anyone tried the bed while flat? It seems to be too flat especially the head end when it seems to dip. If lying on the side, one end of the seat belt attachment (near the seat) juts out and seem to poke into the back of my hip if in a semi cradle position.
You just need to tilt the seat slightly up from the fully flat position (1 to 2 degrees). The bed will still feel flat, but your head won't get that "tilting upside down" feeling. The seat probably tilts backward when fully reclined due to the nose of the plane being slightly tilted up while in flight.
B-HQC
Jun 6, 07, 11:24 am
Well, it does seem like there are many issues. Without having sat in this seat I cannot comment, but on paper, it does look fine to me. I will report back when I finally get a chance to try this out
sllevin
Jun 6, 07, 11:41 am
Those pictures are great!
That said...those J seats just look awfully narrow for my shoulders. I can appreciate the flat bed, and not having to climb over someone else...but I'm not sure the tradeoffs are worth it.:(
Steve
SQ Flyer Talker
Jun 7, 07, 10:54 am
By look at the photo shown the 81A:
http://photo.xuite.net/aeroformosa/1770371/23.jpg
it seems like if the seat is not recline, there is no way you can look out from the window.
Similar to 80K:
http://photo.xuite.net/aeroformosa/1770371/24.jpg
You can't look out to the window during take off & landing...?
Also even for @ Business Class that you can't look at the other side of the passenger window just to check what's going on...
CPwingwalker
Jun 7, 07, 11:52 am
Just for comparison ... check out the new AC J on a 77W. This was posted at airliners.net
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1217444/M/
christep
Jun 7, 07, 12:06 pm
{deleted - misinterpreted the photo}
sxc
Jun 7, 07, 6:59 pm
Just for comparison ... check out the new AC J on a 77W. This was posted at airliners.net
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1217444/M/
And if you check out this AC photo, it seems that AC has been able to install a seat similar to VS - set further back so that in seated position it is wider, and the seat doesn't have to flip over in order to make it a bed. Looks like it might be possible to look out the window too.
I think this also shows that a better combination of finishes and colours, and a better designed divider makes the layout much better.
TaiwanAir
Jun 7, 07, 8:07 pm
By look at the photo shown the 81A:
http://photo.xuite.net/aeroformosa/1770371/23.jpg
it seems like if the seat is not recline, there is no way you can look out from the window.
Similar to 80K:
http://photo.xuite.net/aeroformosa/1770371/24.jpg
You can't look out to the window during take off & landing...?
Also even for @ Business Class that you can't look at the other side of the passenger window just to check what's going on...
Well, yes and no... you can't really look out form the window during take off and landing. However, if you really want to do so, you can turn your shoulder or neck really hard, but it's really uncomfortable for doing so.
If no passenger sitting on the other side, you can get some view from the window, but if there's a passenger, most of the view from the window is then blocked.
SQ Flyer Talker
Jun 12, 07, 5:24 pm
Just flown CX451 from TPE to HKG on Jun 11. The seat 81A & 80K just can't really look out to the window. Either during take off, crusing, & landing. I would say it's like a windowless seat. You have to seat at least from the 2nd row like 82A or 81K in order to look out. & even dduring take off & landing, I have to recline a little bit in order to turn my head with 90 degress to look out...
kaka
Jun 12, 07, 7:20 pm
Just flown CX451 from TPE to HKG on Jun 11. The seat 81A & 80K just can't really look out to the window. Either during take off, crusing, & landing. I would say it's like a windowless seat. You have to seat at least from the 2nd row like 82A or 81K in order to look out. & even dduring take off & landing, I have to recline a little bit in order to turn my head with 90 degress to look out...
Sure for someone the window is strictly not needed.... Or, to be avoided. I, for one, find sunlight really intruding if i want to get some work done.
sfvoyage
Jun 14, 07, 10:27 am
For 2 people traveling together, would 2 seats side-by-side (e.g. 88AK) or front & back (e.g. 88A & 89A) be better, for ease of chatting together?
christep
Jun 14, 07, 6:34 pm
There is no way for two people comfortably to chat together (without shouting loudly enough to disturb all around) on the new long-haul J in any seats.
This is a BIG mistake by CX.
Guy Betsy
Jun 14, 07, 6:39 pm
Just flown CX451 from TPE to HKG on Jun 11. The seat 81A & 80K just can't really look out to the window. Either during take off, crusing, & landing. I would say it's like a windowless seat....
If you want a window seat, try the main deck. You don't have to turn your head around too much !
squall1
Jun 14, 07, 8:42 pm
Are these seats on the HKG LAX route yet, I searched and could not turn anything up. I'll be flying out on 855 and return on 882.
B-HQC
Jun 14, 07, 8:52 pm
There is no way for two people comfortably to chat together (without shouting loudly enough to disturb all around) on the new long-haul J in any seats.
This is a BIG mistake by CX.
What about the buddy seat? Doesn't it have a seat belt (like on VS)?
Besides, I suspect most pax in J wouldn't desire a chat with anybody.
anabolism
Jun 14, 07, 8:57 pm
There is no way for two people comfortably to chat together (without shouting loudly enough to disturb all around) on the new long-haul J in any seats.
This is a BIG mistake by CX.From the pictures, it looks like they can't see each other, either, nor pass things bath and forth.
It seems (from the pictures anyway) that if CX made the divider retractable, it would solve the problem. Two people traveling together can choose adjacent seats and retract the partition; strangers can leave it as-is and have privacy.
Although, as a separate matter, I'm not sure how much isolation you'd get with these seats. It looks as though you'd be subject to considerable noise and vibration from people on both sides of you, but I hope not.
I think having aisle access for all pax is terrific. I just think they also need to allow people to choose to share the travel experience.
christep
Jun 14, 07, 9:10 pm
What about the buddy seat? Doesn't it have a seat belt (like on VS)? There is no buddy seat in J. It is essentially a small footrest.
sxc
Jun 14, 07, 10:02 pm
What about the buddy seat? Doesn't it have a seat belt (like on VS)?
And on CX there is a sign that says "No Sit".
SQ Flyer Talker
Jun 14, 07, 10:48 pm
What the CX451 cabin crew told me that they are actually collecting survey from the passengers.
The overall business class seat width is less than the old long haul business class seat width on CX 744. I just barely fit it into it just because I'm Asian, what about for the foreigners? Are they feel comfortable to sit in a seat just a little wider than the economy class...?
The leg rest even though it said "No Sit", but cabin crew said it an be allow for other passenger to be sitted after take off & before landing, which means you can dine with your spouse or with your business partner face to face, but then I found that the dinning table would be a bit small if you put 2 dinner trays. CX defintely tried to copy Air NewZealand new business class but NZ is defintely had the space to allow face to face sitting & dinning.
I was on NZ's new J a few months ago with my friend, and he sat right behind me in the lower deck nose section. It was OK for being close enough together and yet maintaining some level of privacy. Sitting across the aisle would have been too far apart for us, as the nose of the 744 is quite wide.
Right now we're booked on 88AK on CX504 on the new 74A. The upper deck isn't as far apart, but I'm beginning to think 88A & 89A would be a little closer together for the occasional chat during flight.
christep
Jun 15, 07, 2:11 am
You simply are not going to be able to chat with anyone else without one of you getting out of your seat. That applies to every seat in the new J.
You would have to have an extremely small rear end to be able to sit on the foot rest.
KO2546
Jun 15, 07, 3:35 am
You simply are not going to be able to chat with anyone else without one of you getting out of your seat. That applies to every seat in the new J. The same goes for F and therefore I will avoid the new config when my wife and I travel to LHR next month... even though I am keen like to SEE the new interior for myself.
Guy Betsy
Jun 15, 07, 4:39 am
Are these seats on the HKG LAX route yet, I searched and could not turn anything up. I'll be flying out on 855 and return on 882.
Not till 2008.
Guy Betsy
Jun 15, 07, 4:41 am
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Right now we're booked on 88AK on CX504 on the new 74A. The upper deck isn't as far apart, but I'm beginning to think 88A & 89A would be a little closer together for the occasional chat during flight.
The preferred seats were the Emergency Exit row.
But with the new configuration, there is absolutely NO difference whether you sit here or not as your leg space and seat width does not increase. In fact, your privacy might even get worse as the seats are next to where the attendants park the trolleys and there will be constant movements around your area with people walking past you (even though it'll be near your feet).
If you sit across from each other, you'd still have to talk across the aisle. You'd be able to see your collegue's feet at least :)
If you sit next to each other, you won't be able to see one another, you won't be able to converse unless you pass little pieces of paper to each other..!
christep
Jun 15, 07, 9:45 am
The same goes for FWell yes and no - the new F does have very usable second seats (with seatbelts) at the "foot" of the suite. And depending on your size it may well also be possible for you and your wife to sit side by side in the main seat (although not with enough room to move your arms to eat - for thta you need to be opposite each other).
KO2546
Jun 15, 07, 10:08 am
And depending on your size it may well also be possible for you and your wife to sit side by side in the main seat Actually that would be quite a fresh experience - good idea ^ (although I won't want to do that for the entire 12 hrs!)
Where are baby bassinets parked in the new J and F, does anyone know?
Dave Marsh
Jun 15, 07, 11:06 am
Actually that would be quite a fresh experience - good idea ^ (although I won't want to do that for the entire 12 hrs!)
Where are baby bassinets parked in the new J and F, does anyone know?
Actually just wondering will it be possible to sleep togethe in 1 suite? No MHC ideas for anyone!:D
sxc
Jun 15, 07, 9:35 pm
Actually just wondering will it be possible to sleep togethe in 1 suite? No MHC ideas for anyone!:D
Well anything is possible. It would be like sleeping in a single bed, if you didn't mind your feet co-mingling very closely and you slept on your sides.
christep
Jun 15, 07, 9:50 pm
The baby bassinet for J is downstairs in front of the first two middle seats.
The F bassinet fits it 1A or 1K, sort of suspended above the feet area (it is possible to sleep with you feet under the bassinet - it is 18 inches or so above the seat as I recall).
tedhl
Jun 16, 07, 5:11 am
Well yes and no - the new F does have very usable second seats (with seatbelts) at the "foot" of the suite. And depending on your size it may well also be possible for you and your wife to sit side by side in the main seat (although not with enough room to move your arms to eat - for thta you need to be opposite each other).
yes, my wife and I did sit together in new F a few times during a flight we had last week, the seat can indeed fit 2 people sitting together very nicely, at least for some short chats etc.
have the chance to do all new F, old F, new J, old NBC, old RBC in the past 2 weeks. I must say I'm really very much impressed with the new F. 2 days after new F, I flew old F, frankly I suddenly find the old F to be much less impressive compared to what I felt before... :) we were in 1A/K, and these two seats are really quite good for people flying together.
for new J, frankly, overall I'm quite neutral about it...I very much like the privacy in fact, which is great...flat bed or not, I don't really mind, I'm very ok with the original NBC. but yes I did find it a bit narrow, and my arms hit the partitions quite often. and I found that if I tried to push/sit myself a bit towards the back, my shoulders would feel better because of the extra space near the window. but yes, there's really no way to travel with a companion...D/G seats are not an option because your heads would be so far away, and seats in 2 consecutive rows (e.g. 11A/12A) is the best already but you'll still be some 1-2 feet away from each other...can't really talk unless the one in the front row turn his/her heard towards the one in the back row...
tedhl
Jun 16, 07, 5:13 am
The baby bassinet for J is downstairs in front of the first two middle seats.
The F bassinet fits it 1A or 1K, sort of suspended above the feet area (it is possible to sleep with you feet under the bassinet - it is 18 inches or so above the seat as I recall).
for F bassinet, I don't know the exact answer...but is it really 1A/K? because, when I did online check-in...actually it's 4A/K that were blocked (as in the usual case for other bassinet seats), while 1A/K were open for selection...
jkwan12345
Jun 18, 07, 3:31 am
what CX needs to do with it's business class:
-make it more sleek, have sleek lines. refer to jet airways.
-give it mood lighting (blues, reds, and oranges, not just white) refer to VS and AC
-Place the seats further apart - refer to all airlines
-have a round headrest, not the square one they have
-extend the privacy wall to the ottoman, make it higher -refer to AC and jet airways
-use better colors (maybe a white/X-tra light green base with a darker green to shade everything else, take out the black, grey, and turquoise)
-make seats longer like Jet airways'
-make the seat pattern more intersting, esp. like jet airways'
-make seats wider - CX is a 5* airline. if they want to be that, they have to be better than all other airlines. their seats need to be longer, wider, more comfortable, etc...their seats cannot be at par with 3* or even 4* airlines. they must be better!
jkwan12345
Jun 18, 07, 3:43 am
i dont know what to do...
linking is soo confusing.......
new here, so sorry about double post...
but to see a great photo of the perfect herringbone seat, go to Flyerwiki, click on 'business class' under travel classes in the left hand column, then scroll down and click the jetairways category. the seat is magnificant, look at the first two pics. that shows everything talked about in the last post.