Las Vegas - Las Vegas stays at Wynn and Skylofts: A tale of two hotels




mikeef
Dec 20, 06, 3:53 pm
My wife and I just returned from four days in Las Vegas, where we spent the first two nights (Friday and Saturday) at Wynn in a Parlor Suite and the second two at the Skylofts in a 1BR. I wanted to give a quick review, but the bottom line is that we are already planning our next trip to the Skylofts. The Wynn won't be on the agenda.

But first, I have to apologize that I have no photos. We still haven't figured out how to use the digital camera.

Wynn, 12/15-12/17

I should preface this by saying that some of the problems that we experienced at Wynn were of our own doing, although the hotel could have handled them better. In other words, I hope our mistakes will serve as a cautionary tale.

We arrived at Wynn at about 1:30 pm, with our bags still at the Westin, where we had stayed the night before. We were staying on an Amex FHR rate, which included lunch, so we figured we'd check in, grab the free lunch amenity and then head back and pick up our bags (We had started the day on the north end of the strip.). Not realizing that there was a separate entrance for the Tower Suites, we went to the main check-in area. The desk employee mentioned that there was a suite on a lower floor available or we could go to a higher floor if we wanted to wait. We chose to check-in now. She also spent a few minutes trying to upsell us to a Salon Suite for another $100 per night. We declined.

We asked for the details of the FHR benefits, and she told us that we weren't booked under FHR. Unfortunately, the confirmation was back at the Westin, so we asked her to call a manager while we called Amex. She called her manager, who kept transferring her to different departments. Meanwhile, we called Amex to get it sorted out on our end. Then Wynn and Amex got into it, and finally we got back to our Amex person, who had talked to one of the people at the Wynn sales desk. Apparently, Wynn had been having problems with its computer system that wasn't booking the FHR packages correctly, and that someone was coming to help us. Problem solved, we thought.

Meanwhile, the front desk worker with whom we were working had stepped away while helping another customer. While she was gone, we noticed that she had left another customer's folio wide open on the counter, with his full credit card imprint (entire number and expiration) lying out. We pointed this out to her when she returned, and she said, "Oh, he's right over there," pointing to a guy halfway across the lobby.

We asked her to check us in with the updated info, and she brought over an assistant manager. We had to re-explain the situation to him, and after several minutes, he agreed to give us a F&B credit for the value of one lunch and two breakfasts. None of the other FHR benefits were extended, and he was quite condescending. We weren't thrilled, but we had been there almost an hour and were tired of arguing. He said that he would "look into" the problem and call the person at the sales desk that Amex had talked to. He also said that he would call us back that night or the next day with an answer. We never heard from him, and when we questioned it later, the manager with whom we spoke told us that he claimed to have left a message in the room. Which means that the message light on every phone in the room was broken, or he, um, forgot. Sorry to go so long on just the check in, but we were surprised at the level of service at a hotel that claims to be the nicest in Las Vegas.

The suite itself was nice, although we felt that it lacked amenities. The bathroom amenities were the same as in the regular rooms and that it lacked basics such as complimentary bottles of water. The bathroom was huge, with two sinks (which was good, because the drain on one of them would not open) and we had a view of both the pool and the golf course. The suite was surprisingly plain, although certainly nice.

We felt like the best assets at the hotel were the restaurants. We did not eat at any of the upscale restaurants, but we did go the the Terrace Pointe Cafe a couple of times, which had excellent service and very good food. We also tried the buffet, which had the best food of any of the buffets in Vegas. We found out later that the room key to the Tower Suites served as a line pass for the buffet.

We did very little gambling at the Wynn, which is clearly not designed for the low-rollers. The room key serves as your Players Card, which means that the hotel opens a new account for you every time you go, unless you request the accounts to be linked. It's easier just to get a completely separate Players Card.

The people at the front desk at the Tower Suites were wonderful, and it was unfortunate that when we checked in, nobody told us that we could check in right at the Tower. We explained the check-in situation to the manager, and emphasized that we were less upset about the FHR mistakes and more concerned about the attitude that the assistant manager had. The woman at the Tower Suites was quite sympathetic, and noted that we were not upgraded for free to the Salon Suite as we should have been under FHR, so she gave us the $100 per night difference as a credit. She also promised to check with the asst. mgr. and call us back, which is when we found out about the mysterious non-message. We also found out that there is free continental breakfast for Tower Suite guests, a little too late.

MGM Skylofts, 12/17-12/19

Wow. I mean, wow.

We checked in at the Skylofts in the afternoon, and the woman at the front asked us to have a seat in the lobby. Two couples wandered in after us, and the front desk employee helped both of them before getting to us (Admittedly, they looked a lot more like high rollers than we do.). My first thought was, "Here we go again," but after I pointed out that we had been waiting, she was very apologetic and offered to get us drinks while they checked us in. We chatted about the original Nechita on the wall and she took us up to the lofts section to complete the check-in.

Note: There is a pre-arrival concierge named Erica who takes care of you ahead of time. We requested Danny Gans tickets (She got us dead center, about 25 rows back.), green Bulgari amenities instead of the white (done) and only Diet Cokes and water in the fridge (There was some alcohol still there, but plenty of what we asked for.). All the non-alcoholic beverages in your fridge are free.

The check-in is actually done in your loft. We were met with a large box of berries, several chocolate displays and glasses of fresh juice (cantaloupe, with coconut and vanilla extract). We were also introduced to our butler, who showed us around the loft. Normally, that process takes about 30 seconds. In this case, it took 15 minutes. They had everything, and I mean everything. covered. Need to recharge your I-Pod? There were two I-Pod chargers/speakers. Need to tell people where you were? You got personalized business cards. There was an office space, dining area, etc. in the downstairs portion of the loft. We ended up with Unit 91, which is the biggest of the 1-bedrooms (We did not book through FHR, which was more expensive.). One word of caution: the living room is sunken, and I tripped over the step about a thousand times.

Upstairs was also incredible. The bed was quite comfortable and the butler noted that there were 13 different types of pillows, in case the first twelve weren't right. The bathroom was huge, with an infinity soaking tub (Think infinity pool.) and a shower about the size of a steam room (five shower heads). There were two televsions in the bathroom alone, one over the sink and the other over the bathtub.

One of the benefits was being able to get room service from any of the MGM restaurants. At one point, we had four people in our room, two doing turndown, two delivering and setting up the room service (Okay, one was the butler, who was there to show me how to work the coffee maker.). Come to think of it, it was a touch uncomfortable, although I'm not used to living like a king. Overall, we saw far more employees than we did other guests.

At times, we felt like we never needed to leave the room. My wife got the flu one night and we ended up staying in the room. Fortunately, all the "pay per view" movies were free, so we had a chance to lie back, order room service and watch movies.

Bottom line is, it was a few hundred dollars more to stay at the Skylofts. But it was worth infinitely more. It's not necessarily a fair comparison, given that the Skylofts is really a hotel within a hotel and the Towers are a part of a larger hotel. Feel free to PM with more detailed questions.

Mike


Benny8444
Dec 20, 06, 4:35 pm
I have stayed at the Wynn Tower Suites sevrel times and IMO it is the best hotel in the city. There are never lines at the checkin area and the front desk staff would hande any request i had. I did remember the miad leaving water in the rooms at turndown though. All in all it is my favorite hotel it Las Vegas and I have no Idea why the Bellagio is 5 star and the Wynn is not. I spent Spring Break at the Belliago and it did not compare to the Wynn.

Ben

BTW. What is AMEX FHR

jja34-1
Dec 20, 06, 6:55 pm
Not realizing that there was a separate entrance for the Tower Suites, we went to the main check-in area.


If you book directly through the Wynn, the confirmation gives explicit instructions on how to proceed to the separate entrance and check in (including driving directions). In my experience, they check your name at the gate to confirm that you are checking into the Tower Suites.

Unfortunately, it seems like Amex does not include the same information in their FHR confirmation.


Doppy
Dec 20, 06, 7:21 pm
I should preface this by saying that some of the problems that we experienced at Wynn were of our own doing, although the hotel could have handled them better. In other words, I hope our mistakes will serve as a cautionary tale.
I don't see where you made any mistakes. Are you referring to not checking in at the Tower area at Wynn? That isn't your mistake; the hotel - if it's properly run - should be providing the same high level of service for Tower guests regardless of what check-in desk they're at. The "luxury" part of luxury hotel refers to the hotel being organized around the guest's needs and preferences, not the hotel's.

Thanks for your reviews.

DrivingRain
Dec 20, 06, 8:48 pm
Nice reviews, thanks.

We must all face the facts that there are very few hotels in Vegas. Most, like Wynn and Bellagio, are casinos first, gimmicky (i.e. not luxury) resorts second and hotels third.

There are few luxury hotels in Vegas like the FS.

There are few true luxury resorts like the RC-LLV.

It sounds like Skylofts deserves recognition as over-the-top luxury that pays proper attention to guests...I'll need to check it out.

Raffles
Dec 21, 06, 3:34 am
BTW. What is AMEX FHR

The Fine Hotels & Resorts programme run by Amex for Platinum and Centurion card holders. Basically, it offers extra amenities at a few hundred of the best five star hotels in the world, including:

a) special rate (usually lower than the hotels best web rate, although at slack times hotel specials can undercut the FHR rate)
b) guaranteed 4pm check-out
c) free breakfast
d) upgrade on availability at check-in
e) special amenity - this is often a free lunch for 2 or free dinner for 2, although occasionally it is something less useful like guaranteed noon check-in

It is a great programme if you travel a lot in high-end properties. I probably saved 3 x my annual Platinum card fee last year using FHR last year to book hotels I was going to stay at anyway. If you look on the Amex board there is a thread where people post about their FHR experiences.

Kagehitokiri
Dec 21, 06, 4:14 am
no upgrade to 2BR skyloft? thats surprising, since most of the units are 2BR.

also in case anyone is interested in more wynn tower / skyloft differences, and info on the publicly available villas >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=619407

mikeef
Dec 21, 06, 11:28 am
no upgrade to 2BR skyloft? thats surprising, since most of the units are 2BR.

also in case anyone is interested in more wynn tower / skyloft differences, and info on the publicly available villas >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=619407

Didn't use FHR for Skylofts, so I wasn't eligible. But I'm pretty sure I would have ended up getting lost in something as big as the 2BR!

Mike

HawaiiTrvlr
Dec 22, 06, 1:44 am
I would love to stay at the Skylofts one of these days. I am going next week to Vegas but staying at the Venetian. I do have a question about the FHR and AMEX. I have the Delta AMEX card. Do I get those FHR benefits too or do I have to have the regular AMEX card?

Raffles
Dec 22, 06, 3:23 am
Needs to be a Plat or Centurion charge card, and the booking needs to be made through Platinum Travel Service on the telephone.

Details of participating properties (although no rate info) here: http://www134.americanexpress.com/travelfhr/PlatCCSGServlet?request_type=fhr&action=1&lang=en&ctry=us&pdtyp=ccsg&cdtyp=plat

J0HN
Dec 22, 06, 4:56 pm
I recently noticed on the Wynn website that they are the "only casino with both Mobil 5 Star and AAA 5 Diamond ratings for 2007" - that being said I have stayed there several times and do not think the property is all that great.

I have stayed at the Wynn Tower Suites sevrel times and IMO it is the best hotel in the city. There are never lines at the checkin area and the front desk staff would hande any request i had. I did remember the miad leaving water in the rooms at turndown though. All in all it is my favorite hotel it Las Vegas and I have no Idea why the Bellagio is 5 star and the Wynn is not. I spent Spring Break at the Belliago and it did not compare to the Wynn.

Ben

BTW. What is AMEX FHR

Kagehitokiri
Dec 22, 06, 5:24 pm
thats the bellagio isnt it? (5 star/diamond hotel and casino)

the bellagio has 1 thing going for it really: overall atmosphere

skylofts are the best rooms, and value really; although with wynn's lowered prices they arent as bad of a value anymore

and the villas all have different features >

wynn - trendy/flashy atmosphere, pools overlooking golf course
bellagio - "best" overall atmosphere, outdoor courtyard pools, fine art
mansion - way over the top, lots of public areas, (but its still part of MGM)

J0HN
Dec 23, 06, 12:21 am
I believe Bellagio has only been rated as AAA 5 Diamond and Mobil 4 Star.

I usually don't put too much weight on AAA ratings in Las Vegas, as I always use the Las Vegas Hilton as a point of comparison...if the Hilton is 4 diamond, then Bellagio/Wynn must be 5 diamond. That being said, I don't know the rating now, but the Ritz Carlton Lake Las Vegas was AAA 5 Diamond and dropped down to AAA 4 Diamond.

[QUOTE=Kagehitokiri;6891994]...thats the bellagio isnt it? (5 star/diamond hotel and casino)...QUOTE]

Kagehitokiri
Dec 23, 06, 6:41 am
my mistake, Tower Suites @ Wynn are indeed 5 diamond/5 star for 2007
(theyre the only 5 star in Vegas.. kind of ridiculous in my opinion)

Kagehitokiri
Feb 4, 07, 7:25 am
info on THEhotel penthouses, not sure why i didnt link this before >

http://www.natpe.org/conference/exhibitorinfo/exhibitordownloads/N06_SuiteandLargeFunctionSpace.pdf

Pages 5-8 have floorplans for the Penthouses. M,H,O,T,E,L. M seems like a terrific corner suite with wraparound windows, it goes for about $700. E is the best layout for parties in my opinion, and has 2 bedrooms/beds. It's $1110. And L is about the same as E, not as good of a layout, but it has 3 beds. (2BR) L goes for about $1200.

similar price/size to skylofts, more open layouts are better for events/parties, do not include complimentary butler service, but do include access to foundation room.

and another good thread to be linked to this one >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=652918

jmposner
Feb 5, 07, 10:37 am
Stayed at the Wynn night a couple of months ago. They also messed up my FHR reservation. It took over 30 minutes to be resolved. In the end, it all worked out but, never should have happened.

anaggie
Feb 5, 07, 10:46 am
I had gotten the 2 bedroom akylofts and it is like living like a king....my inlaws were with me and when I got in the room, I though they might make USA a permananent vacation....(they are from India)....

mikeef
Feb 6, 07, 9:26 am
We just booked the Skylofts again for July. $600 per night through the website, $1,200 per night through FHR. Um, I think I'll pass on that opportunity for the upgrade to a 2-BR.

Mike

KenJohn
Feb 6, 07, 3:22 pm
Skylofts through the MGM website offer a discount over the hot summer months . It was the same last year.

Kagehitokiri
Feb 6, 07, 3:32 pm
why would FHR be double? normally FHR is $600 for 1BR $1200 for 2BR (same as direct rates)

mikeef
Feb 7, 07, 9:14 am
why would FHR be double? normally FHR is $600 for 1BR $1200 for 2BR (same as direct rates)

Don't know. I pointed this out to them and got no response. I'm going to check again closer to the time, but I'm happy with my $600 rate.

Mike

ksj579
Feb 7, 07, 10:11 am
I am going to the skyloft this April and I booked it through FHR.
They gave me a rate of $800. But when I looked at the skyloft website they posted $1,500 for the night. So I guess sometimes its cheaper to book through FHR.

Kagehitokiri
Feb 16, 07, 11:50 pm
threads on FS LV and more >

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=567683
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=628887

xray
Feb 19, 07, 9:22 pm
Having stayed at both Tower Suites at Wynn and Skylofts, I think they each have their merits. If you are paying $800/$900 range, there are also the Fairway Villas at the Wynn... For me, the casino and common areas at Wynn are far far nicer than the MGM Grand. Restaurants are better at the Wynn although you have to try Joel Robuchon at the Mansion once... Tower Suite guests have their own pool which is nice and right off the tower suite lobby.

If you aren't a gambler, Skylofts is a nice experience with the Maybach and the butler. The 2 BR loft is amazing and well worth twice the price of the 1 BR loft - it is even better when you get the free FHR upgrade ! Things are nice in the Skylofts area but unfortunately once you take the elevator down, you are stuck in the dated MGM Grand.

Anyhow, I don't think you can go wrong with either place... I prefer the Wynn for gambling/dining options and location with the Fashion Show mall across the street...

mikeef
Jul 16, 07, 9:57 am
We had another excellent stay at the Skylofts. Service was fantastic and we really felt like they went out of their way for us. They just do all of the little things well: for instance, they must have recorded from our last visit that we had requested juice in the fridge, since they called a few minutes after we arrived and asked us if we would like them to bring us fresh-squeezed juices. They also managed to hunt down green Bulgari shampoo and soap for us, even though it isn't standard anymore.

There were a few minor annoyances: the upstairs air conditioner didn't work when we arrived and never worked that well even when the mechanic showed up, so they brought us a fan (Even their fans are fancy.). On our last night, we got a call at 10:45 pm asking if we wanted turn-down. My wife was already asleep and not happy to be woken.

Overall, however, we were very pleased with our stay. We'll be back in December.

Mike

cricketdog
Jul 19, 07, 3:18 pm
I recently noticed on the Wynn website that they are the "only casino with both Mobil 5 Star and AAA 5 Diamond ratings for 2007" - that being said I have stayed there several times and do not think the property is all that great.

I agree -- while the rooms at the Wynn are quite spacious and nice, the hotel staff leaves a lot to be desired. I have a hard time understanding the 5 star/diamond ratings.

obscure2k
Jul 19, 07, 9:51 pm
Please continue to follow this thread in the Flyertalk Las Vegas Forum.
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DrivingRain
Jul 20, 07, 1:42 am
Please continue to follow this thread in the Flyertalk Las Vegas Forum.
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hmmmm...why? not trying to be argumentative...we're discussing LAS lux hotels. :)

Kettering Northants QC
Jul 20, 07, 10:43 am
hmmmm...why? not trying to be argumentative...we're discussing LAS lux hotels. :)

Have to agree - if this is the right move why not move all the luxury hotels to their respetive geographic forums

mctrees02
Jul 20, 07, 11:35 am
Have to agree - if this is the right move why not move all the luxury hotels to their respetive geographic forums'
Kinda defeats the purpose of a luxury hotels forum! ;)

Kettering Northants QC
Jul 20, 07, 3:42 pm
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Kinda defeats the purpose of a luxury hotels forum! ;)

My thoughts exactly!

mbstone
Jul 20, 07, 6:31 pm
If I flash a black Amex card, but don't gamble, will the Wynn still comp my buffet? How about at the El Cortez?

Kagehitokiri
Jul 21, 07, 10:44 am
one cent cardholder reported upgrade from lowest rate to salon suite at wynn.

787
Jul 21, 07, 5:14 pm
If I flash a black Amex card, but don't gamble, will the Wynn still comp my buffet?


It seems like if you have one, you could afford to pay for a buffet? Or at least gamble enough to get a real comp.

mbstone
Jul 21, 07, 10:31 pm
I was being facetious. Where else but the Luxury Hotels forum can you hear people with too much money gripe about the substandard caviar and how the end of the TP roll wasn't perfectly triangle-folded.

DrivingRain
Jul 22, 07, 8:05 am
I was being facetious. Where else but the Luxury Hotels forum can you hear people with too much money gripe about the substandard caviar and how the end of the TP roll wasn't perfectly triangle-folded.

Hi Mbstone!

Just a quick note to my fellow regulars on lux hotels to advise to just laugh off Mbstone's quip and any respinses to this note. Agree or disagree with the quality of the humor...it doesnt matter, let's move on quickly.


We had another excellent stay at the Skylofts.

mikeef,
How is the pool situation at Skylofts? Is it the regular MGM Grand pool setup or do they have a different set for Skylofts. My initial thought is that the MGM Grand pool would be too crowded for my tastes currently (great for bachelor parties...otherwise questionable) and that a seperate Skylofts area would be too tame and "un-Vegasy". Thoughts?

Kagehitokiri
Jul 22, 07, 10:24 am
skylofts only have their own spa (small - one of the units was converted) nothing else. (besides lobby, not sure how much space that has)

room to pool comparison >

mgm grand - 5044
[aria - 4004]
bellagio - 3993
palazzo @ venetian - 3025
resort @ wynn - 2063
encore - 2034
[vdara - 1543]
trump - 1282
thehotel - 1120
venezia @ venetian - 1063
tower/villas @ wynn/encore ~ 920
[mandarin oriental - 619]
palms place - 599
four seasons - 424
mansion - 29

cheapest private pools = palms place penthouses, from $2K

no private pool >

encore tower - 267
[aria sky suites/villas - 266]**
skylofts - 51*
hotel 32 - 50**

* = limo transfers
** = limo transfers and lounge

mbstone
Jul 22, 07, 12:29 pm
Hi Mbstone!

Just a quick note to my fellow regulars on lux hotels to advise to just laugh off Mbstone's quip and any respinses to this note. Agree or disagree with the quality of the humor...it doesnt matter, let's move on quickly.
Sorry, I thought that this thread was moved to the Las Vegas forum, no offense meant....

Travelergcp
Sep 29, 07, 1:15 am
As a gambler I have been comped to high-end rooms at both Wynn and Skylofts. They are both excellent in very different ways.

It depends on your personal taste. For me, the Skyloft is the modern apartment I never had. So they are my favorite rooms in Vegas right now.

At the high-end they are both great. But a low-end room at Wynn easily beats its counterpart at MGM just by being newer. They are renovating everything at MGM, but from the top down.

Traveler

ZbadhabitZ
Oct 15, 07, 7:57 pm
Decided to jump into this old thread and chime in a bit. I've personally never stayed at the Skylofts, but the experiences I've heard about seem to extend far beyond the experiences I've personally had at the Wynn. Having a concierge contact you ahead of time to ask when you arrive/depart flight wise, book shows, restaurants, spa, etc. is a great touch. I've even heard reports of the concierge calling to ask what types of beverages/music you'd like to be waiting in your room before you arrive (though this last one seems to vary, not everyone seems to have been asked that question). The Wynn certainly never went that far for me, and while their rooms and decor was extremely lovely, I just don't see the comparison between the size, decor, and amenities of the Skylofts. I do like the Wynn, but what made your stays so special that you'd put it above the Skylofts?

pwdump
Oct 15, 07, 10:50 pm
i think you can easily enjoy a stay in Vegas in either one. At least when I am there, 99% of the time I am in the room I am sleeping

xray
Oct 21, 07, 2:16 pm
I think most people who have stayed in both would prefer the rooms at the Skylofts (especially with the Amex upgrade) and concierge amenities but for the overall resort and feel, Wynn has MGM Grand beat hands down...



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