Air New Zealand Air Points - NZ Metal to Canada in the 90s?

Was looking through both YYZ and YVR's airport pamphlet for 1996-97 and discovered that Air NZ was on the airline listings for both. IIRC correctly AC & NZ have not begun their codeshare agreements back then, so am curious as whether or not NZ really did fly their own metals to Canada in the mid 90s.

BTW how is load/demand for air traffic between Canada and NZ these days regardless where one connects? Really curious as I'll be commuting between YYZ & AKL very often.

There is demand but it is stifled by the lack of direct flights. I recently sat next to a couple of girls from Halifax on flights BNE-AKL-LAX.

Air New Zealand seems to try to get people to fly to YVR and YYZ by connecting at Honolulu rather than LAX or SFO, but the connections at that time of night are lousy.

I personally think that the surprising degree of success of the AKL-SFO service means that Canada is a logical growth destination. I would love to see Honolulu used as a hub once more, with coordinated AKL-HNL-YVR and AKL-HNL-YYZ flights codeshared with Air Canada and coordinated with AC's SYD-HNL-YVR. But my guess is that instead of that the airline will look first at AKL-YVR non-stop, but there aren't enough 787s on order for that.

There are no non-stop YYZ-HNL flights on any airline, so it doesn't make any sense to connect there when there are so many YYZ-LAX and YYZ-SFO flights daily.

Besides that, HNL is a lousy place to connect - I speak from having done YYZ-YVR-HNL-SYD on AC a couple of times. You're much better off connecting in LAX/SFO during the day than in HNL in the middle of the night. Thats why AC are going to fly YYZ-LAX-SYD next year once they get their 777s.

Non-stop AKL-YVR would certainly be attractive, but we're going to have to wait for the 787s, if it ever happens at all.

Was looking through both YYZ and YVR's airport pamphlet for 1996-97 and discovered that Air NZ was on the airline listings for both. IIRC correctly AC & NZ have not begun their codeshare agreements back then, so am curious as whether or not NZ really did fly their own metals to Canada in the mid 90s.

Air NZ did operate 747s to YVR (via HNL) during the 80s. This ended around 1991 when codeshare agreements were made with Canadian Airlines.

Was looking through both YYZ and YVR's airport pamphlet for 1996-97 and discovered that Air NZ was on the airline listings for both. IIRC correctly AC & NZ have not begun their codeshare agreements back then, so am curious as whether or not NZ really did fly their own metals to Canada in the mid 90s.


For those closet plane spotters..

The first Air New Zealand service from Auckland to Vancouver (via Honolulu) was operated by a 747-200 on November 3, 1985.

I think the last one was in April 1991, when the Canadian Airlines alliance Reason077 referred to came into effect. By then they were using 767-200ER.

Just as many New Zealanders hate going through LAX security when travelling to LHR, there are just as many Canadians who hate going through any part of the USA including HNL.

There simply has to be another point that would be feasible to connect these two Commonwealth countries without stepping foot on Uncle Sam´s backyard!

Fiji perhaps?

There simply has to be another point that would be feasible to connect these two Commonwealth countries without stepping foot on Uncle Sam´s backyard!

Fiji perhaps?

I was going to say Air Pacific already does that but I think the YVR-NAN flight goes via HNL. Otherwise there is always via asia.

There are no non-stop YYZ-HNL flights on any airline, so it doesn't make any sense to connect there when there are so many YYZ-LAX and YYZ-SFO flights daily.

Besides that, HNL is a lousy place to connect - I speak from having done YYZ-YVR-HNL-SYD on AC a couple of times. You're much better off connecting in LAX/SFO during the day than in HNL in the middle of the night. Thats why AC are going to fly YYZ-LAX-SYD next year once they get their 777s.

Non-stop AKL-YVR would certainly be attractive, but we're going to have to wait for the 787s, if it ever happens at all.

CP, QF and AC used to fly YYZ-HNL non-stop. AC quietly stopped a few years ago. Maybe they'll resume once they get more planes?...

CP, QF and AC used to fly YYZ-HNL non-stop. AC quietly stopped a few years ago. Maybe they'll resume once they get more planes?...

QF never actually flew to YYZ. They only codeshared with CP.

QF never actually flew to YYZ. They only codeshared with CP.

When CP got bought by AC and thus left oneworld, QF briefly continued the service that was previously on CP metal on its own metal.

QF never actually flew to YYZ.
They did, with their own mental for a brief period during 2000 SYD-HNL-YYZ and back.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0105563/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0101654/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0098016/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0100140/M/ (Take a look at the remarks)

They did, with their own mental for a brief period during 2000 SYD-HNL-YYZ and back....

Thanks. I never knew that...

That must have been just when CP folded into AC and QF needed to transport the passengers to and from YYZ originally on CP flights...